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| 00:04 | brendan left #koha | |
| 00:06 | wizzyrea_laptop | for 3.0.6 |
| 00:06 | ? | |
| 00:21 | nengard do you need help reassigning bugs | |
| 00:21 | ? | |
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| 01:43 | * chris_n | peeks in |
| 01:46 | * wizzyrea_laptop | perks up |
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| 01:57 | chris_n | wizzyrea_laptop: yup... 3.0.6 |
| 01:57 | hdl was trying his best to get it out this evening | |
| 01:57 | but I think sleep overtook him :) | |
| 02:18 | wizzyrea_laptop | well that seems logical it's effin late there. |
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| 03:05 | SJeffery | Evenin folks |
| 03:32 | wizzyrea_laptop | hi there |
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| 04:24 | wajasu | ok. so i had used marc4j to read my non marc cp1252 CSV export file from ancient library pc app. I though I set UTF8 conversion at al points, and used an AnseltoUnicode converter , but... |
| 04:26 | I see <U+00fc> in various records in the DB. So I messed up. Its imported into koha. No I need to export and fix. I guess I'll export all the biblios. write a program to read teh marc recs, and convert properly back to marc utf8. then import into koha again. | |
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| 04:32 | kmkale | Good morning all |
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| 05:05 | kmkale | 10:00:00 UTC is good time for us. The last few meetings were at half past mid night in India |
| 05:07 | wajasu | if i export biblios as koha.xml, and fix fields. Then when I import them again, does koha fix the leaders accordingly? |
| 05:21 | kmkale | is there any way to disable staff patron from logging in to a different branch than his/her assigned one? |
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| 07:25 | chris | evening |
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| 07:55 | cait | hi #koha |
| 07:56 | chris | hiya cait |
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| 08:12 | cait | hi chris |
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| 09:55 | mle | allo :) |
| 09:56 | @eightball one or two sugars | |
| 09:56 | munin | mle: Maybe... |
| 09:56 | mle | @eightball one or two sugars |
| 09:56 | munin | mle: No clue. |
| 09:58 | chris | hi mle |
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| 10:04 | mle | hey chris was just checking your comment on nicole's blog. |
| 10:06 | chris | ah, yeah i felt i need to do a little defense as she was coming under a bit of an attack |
| 10:07 | play the ball, not the man and all that | |
| 10:07 | mle | clarity is a keyword that has been popping up in a couple of my projects |
| 10:09 | chris | what projects do you work on? and i see you are in the UK .. do you know slef? |
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| 10:12 | cait | @eightball javaserver pages homework? |
| 10:12 | munin | cait: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later. |
| 10:12 | chris | heh |
| 10:14 | cait | later suits me well |
| 10:14 | @eightball late breakfast? | |
| 10:14 | munin | cait: The outlook is good. |
| 10:14 | cait | :) |
| 10:16 | mle | http://loldebian.wordpress.com[…]/03/10/not-yours/ |
| 10:35 | chris | heh |
| 10:51 | mle | yes i know slef. he is a great guy. i like the cooperative way of doing business. i note a few tllp ppl in here. : ) |
| 10:52 | chris | yep davi is another one |
| 10:53 | mle | projecs- mostly focused on incoming baby at the moment. SO i have had to rationalise what else i work on. : ) but i also host stuff. My main thing is Moodle, teaching and advocating FOSS. |
| 10:54 | chris | ahh cool |
| 10:54 | catalyst (who i work for) do a lot of moodle stuff | |
| 10:55 | mle | soon i will look into moodle koha integration. |
| 10:55 | chris | we have single sign on going |
| 10:55 | using saml | |
| 10:55 | mle | saml |
| 10:55 | ok | |
| 10:55 | ty | |
| 10:55 | that is the next project | |
| 10:55 | does that help you get federated access to journals? | |
| 10:56 | chris | it could potentially yes |
| 10:56 | mle | sweet |
| 10:56 | davi | yes, I am. I had a hardware computer crash, and was off line some days |
| 10:56 | chris | have you heard of mahara? |
| 10:56 | mle | i have |
| 10:57 | i was a bit stumped by the moodle partners thing. | |
| 10:57 | chris | yeah their project organisation is a bit different to koha |
| 10:57 | mle | i have been foss advocate for years and used moodle for years. but i fidn that i cannot advertise my services since i am not moodle partner. |
| 10:58 | ho hum | |
| 10:58 | i guess their model is one way to keep the project from being taken over by large corps. | |
| 10:58 | davi | Typo3 also ask you _to pay_ to be listed as service provider in the typo3 site |
| 10:58 | mle | but i was suprised that moodel partnership is not based upon meritocracy rather than percieved market capacity. : < |
| 10:59 | davi | It is a way to keep it under _your control_, and a way to get money too (for you, of course) |
| 10:59 | mle | ahh yes the benefits of a beneficial dicator. :) |
| 10:59 | davi | You are the one who do most of the work, you know |
| 11:00 | It would be a way to finance the future "Koha democratic Association" | |
| 11:00 | mle | yes and sometimes design by committee doesnt work so well. imho |
| 11:01 | as long as there is clarity | |
| 11:01 | thats what i say | |
| 11:01 | davi | Anyway, I am not sure if that is a good idea, (the pay per be listed one), However, even the FSF use it in its job listing. So it sure is ethic ;-) |
| 11:02 | mle | for those that have not seen it, I think that this video has a great deal to offer. http://video.google.com/videop[…]16011961522818645# |
| 11:02 | davi | Let me look |
| 11:02 | mle | "How to protect your Open source project from pOisonous peopel" |
| 11:02 | * mle | apologies for sloppy typing |
| 11:03 | davi | How old are you, and what IT do you have? |
| 11:03 | mle | davi i think that the video appliees to software.coop btw . : ) |
| 11:03 | i has an old ibm thinkpad | |
| 11:04 | davi | ack |
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| 11:06 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 11:06 | davi | mle, Google is a Free Software parasite in some way |
| 11:07 | chris | morning gmcharlt |
| 11:07 | davi | mle, and by being a parasite Google success |
| 11:10 | mle | davi sorry it was a google video. i do not condone google. but i do like the content. |
| 11:13 | davi | sure, content is good |
| 11:13 | mle | :) |
| 11:13 | davi | I just was exposing a comment, a personal opinion about Google. |
| 11:15 | The use of 'Affero GPL v3" would have avoid such Google parasite behaviour | |
| 11:15 | s/avoid/avoided/ | |
| 11:15 | mle | i respect your opinion. I ws impressed at how quickly scroogle came back after google changd their api which broke scroogle last week. |
| 11:16 | davi | when there is demand, there is solution |
| 11:17 | mle | thus its about raising the demand for Freedom. :) |
| 11:19 | davi | in the way we will get lots of parasites |
| 11:19 | chris | davi: can you convince slef on the benefits of apgl3 ? ;) |
| 11:19 | davi | What we must do is not allow such parasites get too much big, because else |
| 11:20 | it will be very hard to get rig of them | |
| 11:20 | They will only allow us be alive, as much as to keep they getting healthy | |
| 11:20 | mle | but then we come up against lazyness (ease of use) and ubiquity (everyone else does it) |
| 11:21 | but yes, i agree | |
| 11:21 | davi | chilts, I will vote in favour of AGPLv3, but I can not convince him as they is inside a hole of irrationality about this subject |
| 11:21 | chris ^ | |
| 11:22 | mle | davi: this is exactly why I like the coop methodolgy. |
| 11:22 | davi | mle, cooperative is not the panacea, but it is for sure the way to good. Free Software philosophy and movement is not enough alone |
| 11:23 | mle | we live in interesting times. :) |
| 11:23 | chris | ah well a vote is good enough ;) |
| 11:24 | mle | re AGPLv3 is it irrationality or perfectionism. ? |
| 11:24 | davi | I think it will be an easy win for the AGPLv3+ switch, after 3.2 |
| 11:24 | mle, Do you know slef rationales about AGPLv3? | |
| 11:24 | mle | will google help me? |
| 11:25 | i.e. no i dont yet know. | |
| 11:25 | davi | no for a complete view, as it is spread on several lists |
| 11:25 | mle | i owuld be interested i respect slef |
| 11:26 | davi | Rationale thinking require analysis and previous predisposition to accept other points of view if they are the right ones |
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| 11:27 | davi | Unfortunately I have discovered my old mother is not able to change position any more ;-) |
| 11:27 | That is biology | |
| 11:28 | It is a lot harder change a old mind because almost all neurological connection are "hard connected and defined" | |
| 11:28 | mle | for sure |
| 11:28 | s/work/play/ :) | |
| 11:28 | keep mind young | |
| 11:28 | play++ | |
| 11:28 | davi | Also the ability to learn new things is reduced, and that only make it harder to accept new rationales, which are just rejected |
| 11:28 | gmcharlt | davi: not all older people are like that of course :) |
| 11:28 | davi | no, of course |
| 11:29 | * gmcharlt | remembers newspaper article from yesterday about somebody is about to get her masters degree at the age of 98 or 99 |
| 11:29 | mle is now known as grumpy_old_man | |
| 11:29 | Ropuch^_ | Morning #koha |
| 11:29 | * grumpy_old_man | rants about the old days |
| 11:29 | chris | hi Ropuch^_ |
| 11:29 | grumpy_old_man is now known as mle | |
| 11:29 | chris | hows poland today? |
| 11:29 | davi | Education while you were young is a factor which helps, because it help to define an open mind for the rest of life |
| 11:29 | helpS | |
| 11:30 | mle | davi: good point |
| 11:30 | davi | Education is *key* |
| 11:30 | I have to go, later | |
| 11:30 | chris | cya later |
| 11:30 | * mle | notes that a great way to educate is via play :) |
| 11:30 | mle | ttfn davi |
| 11:33 | jbglaw | To introduce myself a bit, I'm playing with Koha these days. |
| 11:34 | My girlfriend an I, we both have quite a collection of books and magazines, both of which are lend to other people quite a lot. | |
| 11:34 | chris | ahh cool |
| 11:35 | jbglaw | So I installed Koha twice right now, with different amount of initial data during the very first steps with the web frontend. |
| 11:35 | chris | different amounts of the sample data? |
| 11:37 | jbglaw | chris: In the very first steps done with the web browser after the shell'ish part of the installation, you get a list of (I guess) SQL sets that can be loaded to initialize common data structures, like currencies, item types, patron types etc. |
| 11:37 | chris | yep |
| 11:38 | (sample data) | |
| 11:38 | jbglaw | Some are mentioned to be mandatory, others are optional. However, to have a really working system, you either need to install the optional examples, or configure really matching entities on your own. |
| 11:38 | chris | yep |
| 11:39 | jbglaw | However, Koha's Perl sources *depend* on a lot of readily done configuration right now. (If you omit the sample data and don't do the needed configury by yourself, you'll get at least a hugh amount of "Use of uninitialized value" in the logs.) |
| 11:40 | Of course, a lot of actions (eg. ordering books, which needs budget and funds) won't work (partially eg. because of missing biblio stuff.) | |
| 11:40 | chris | yep, you have to work through the checklist in the manual |
| 11:41 | jbglaw | To draw a lie, I'm asking myself if it would be helpful to actually *check* that needed stuff is already in the database. |
| 11:42 | Eg. while trying to order a book, check that there's at least one fund/budget available; check for biblio matching (I haven't yet understood that interfacing part with MARC, though. Remember, I'm just a book owner, not a librarian :-D) | |
| 11:43 | However, with loaded sample data, Koha seems to mostly simply "work" in an intuitive way. | |
| 11:44 | chris | it certainly wouldn't hurt |
| 11:44 | nicer error messages ftw | |
| 11:44 | any patches aimed at doing that i would love to see :) | |
| 11:45 | jbglaw | Even without knowing a lot of the field's names (of course things like Author, Title, ISBN etc. tell me something, but especially the MARC and Z39.50 are out of my horizon right now...) |
| 11:45 | Probably that's not even hard to do. | |
| 11:45 | chris | if you never have to learn about MARC .. you can consider yourself blessed :-) |
| 11:45 | jbglaw | Though I'm usually hacking in C and shell. |
| 11:45 | *g* | |
| 11:47 | Media can be checked out and in. Simple case, but what are "holds"? | |
| 11:47 | chris | you may have heard them called reserves |
| 11:48 | placing a reservation on an item (or group of items) | |
| 11:48 | is called placing a hold in the US at least | |
| 11:48 | here in nz we use reserve | |
| 11:49 | so say im at home, and i want a copy of the hobbit, i can reserve it, so its there waiting when i go into the library to pick it up | |
| 11:50 | jbglaw | Ah. |
| 11:50 | Thanks! | |
| 12:12 | cait | have a nice weekend all ! |
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| 12:48 | chris | night all |
| 12:48 | gmcharlt | good night |
| 12:58 | chris_n | sleep well chris |
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| 16:32 | zico | hi |
| 16:33 | i am facing problem regarding printing label in Bangla ( unicode ) from koha - 3.0.5 | |
| 16:33 | as some of you suggested me to use 3rd party lable printing tool for Unicode character | |
| 16:33 | but, i tried to do so & i failed | |
| 16:33 | the reasons are | |
| 16:33 | 1. our library officer who is using Windows machine... | |
| 16:34 | 2. some of you suggested me kbarcodeprinter | |
| 16:34 | but...though he is using windows machine it has become impossible to do something there | |
| 16:34 | is there any other way to print Bangla ( Bangladesh ) character barcode? | |
| 16:35 | i need it badly, because, we have more than 12,000 books in Bangla | |
| 16:42 | is there anyone who can help me to bring any suggestions regarding this unicode barcode printing issue? | |
| 16:42 | professors of my university is really giving a bad look at me all the time :D | |
| 16:43 | and, now they are questioning, "What is the purpose of using open source software if it has sooo many problems"???? :( | |
| 17:11 | * chris_n | suggests that perhaps zico could work on code to fix the problems and contribute that back to the project |
| 17:12 | zico | :) |
| 17:12 | chris_n: i am thinking of that | |
| 17:13 | chris_n: but, my question is, how people other than english language working on with their native character label printing? | |
| 17:13 | chris_n | probably most are using an open source os and kbarcode, I imagine |
| 17:21 | zico | :( :( |
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| 18:30 | zico | chris_n: by the way |
| 18:30 | another issue... say... somehow i managed to use kbarcode there in windows machine | |
| 18:31 | but... the point is..how can i import barcode data from koha to kbarcode? is it possible? | |
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| 22:36 | brendan | afternoon #koha |
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| 23:52 | chilts | chris_n: am enjoying your email exchanges with Sean McIntyre, you write very well and with great enthusiasm ... and so does Sean |
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