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| 00:02 |
chris_n |
Business::PayPal |
| 00:02 |
chris |
be nice to do something like the sms solution |
| 00:02 |
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so that ppl could chose one that works for their locale |
| 00:03 |
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but paypal would be a darn good start |
| 00:03 |
chris_n |
maybe a module to interface with processor modules and a syspref to select which processor |
| 00:04 |
chris |
*nod* |
| 00:05 |
* chris_n |
pushes it into the todo buffer |
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* chris_n |
thinks that #koha provides the fastest responses to questions of any irc channel he has visited yet |
| 00:50 |
chris_n |
#koha++ |
| 00:51 |
brendan |
agreed |
| 00:51 |
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#koha++ |
| 00:52 |
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so here's a question on the item detail page under the edit button - what does attach an item do? |
| 00:59 |
* gmcharlt |
shakes first at YAML::XS for not having the courtesy to package itself for lenny ;) |
| 01:02 |
gmcharlt |
brendan: transfers a different item attached to another bib |
| 01:02 |
chris_n |
brendan: that is for the future C4::Quantum::Storage module |
| 01:02 |
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which allows you to store the actual item itself in the database |
| 01:02 |
gmcharlt |
i.e., go to target bib, choose 'attach item', enter barcode of the item you want to relink to that bib |
| 01:02 |
brendan |
yeah no worries chris_n - thanks gmcharlt |
| 01:03 |
* brendan |
was being cute |
| 01:03 |
brendan |
was almost thinking MFHD |
| 01:04 |
* chris_n |
has been hammering on samba tooooo long |
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chris |
http://litablog.org/2010/05/li[…]le-at-ala-annual/ |
| 01:55 |
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glad brenda chawner will be there |
| 03:31 |
brendan |
chris I think we are a go for tutorial or at least discussion on nginx in IRC channel at some point |
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chris |
sweet |
| 03:32 |
Amit_G |
heya all |
| 03:32 |
brendan |
we've seemed to get enough interest |
| 03:32 |
Amit_G |
heya chris, brendan |
| 03:32 |
brendan |
hiya Amit_g |
| 03:36 |
chris_n |
hi Amit_g |
| 03:36 |
Amit_G |
heya chris_n |
| 03:38 |
brendan |
chris_n what's the goal of C4::Quantum::Storage |
| 03:39 |
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heh |
| 03:43 |
chris_n |
brendan: put simply, such a module would utilize the basic concepts of quantum mechanics along with principles of statistical mechanics as applied to non-equalibrium problems and apply them in such a way as to take advantage of nanoscale current flow thereby allowing physical items to be stored in the data base rather than on costly and space consuming stacks in the traditional manner. |
| 03:44 |
brendan |
HA excellent answer |
| 03:44 |
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heh |
| 03:44 |
chris_n |
I'm sure such a feature would make many librarians very happy :) |
| 03:44 |
brendan |
:) |
| 03:45 |
chris_n |
just think, you could carry your books home with you in your library card |
| 03:47 |
brendan |
shudders at the nano-weight |
| 03:50 |
Amit_G |
@wunder New Delih |
| 03:50 |
munin |
Amit_G: The current temperature in New Orleans Lakefront, Louisiana is 24.0�C (9:53 PM CDT on May 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
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Amit_G |
@wunder New Delhi |
| 03:50 |
munin |
Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 31.0�C (9:00 AM IST on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). |
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Amit_G |
@wunder Dehradun |
| 03:50 |
munin |
Amit_G: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 22.0�C (8:30 AM IST on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa. |
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Amit_G |
@wunder Bangalore |
| 03:50 |
munin |
Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 26.0�C (8:30 AM IST on May 07, 2010). Conditions: . Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. |
| 04:00 |
brendan |
@wunder 93117 |
| 04:00 |
munin |
brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 20.0�C (8:45 PM PDT on May 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 3 am PDT Friday... |
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chris_n |
@wunder 28334 |
| 04:09 |
munin |
chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 24.0�C (12:03 AM EDT on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising). |
| 04:11 |
chris_n |
g'night #koha |
| 04:13 |
brendan |
night dude |
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Amit_G |
heya jransom, kmkale |
| 05:03 |
kmkale |
Good Morning all :) |
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hi amit |
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cait |
good morning #koha |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
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kf |
fredericd: around? |
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kf |
pootle is really slow |
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kf |
chris: around? |
| 07:29 |
hdl_laptop |
hi |
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kf |
hi hdl_laptop |
| 07:35 |
hdl_laptop |
hi kf |
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kmkale |
hi hdl_laptop kf |
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kmkale |
ok is perl 5.10.0 or later a *requirement* for 3.2 and master? |
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kf |
oh pootle |
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| 09:01 |
CGI388 |
hi, does anybody know if koha is good to manage thousands items of the same book ? |
| 09:02 |
kf |
one record with thousands of items? |
| 09:02 |
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I think there is a limit right now |
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kf |
http://koha-community.org/docu[…]faq/cataloging/#6 |
| 09:04 |
Amit_G |
heya kf |
| 09:04 |
magnus |
and that is not a limit imposed by koha, but by the ISO-2709 format used by koha |
| 09:08 |
CGI388 |
ok, understood, thanks! |
| 09:17 |
kf |
hi Amit_G |
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chris_n |
g'morning |
| 10:38 |
kf |
hi chris_n |
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jdavidb |
@karma jdavidb |
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munin |
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| 11:47 |
jdavidb |
mornin', #koha |
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* jdavidb |
does a little happy dance, having noticed his karma finally hit twenty. |
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* braedon|home1 |
congratulates jdavidb |
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jwagner |
@karma jwagner |
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munin |
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| 12:00 |
jdavidb |
jwagner++ |
| 12:00 |
* jwagner |
grins |
| 12:01 |
* jdavidb |
like handling jwagner's issues with code; screenshots and detailed descriptions land in my inbox, as opposed to panic attacks screaming "it doesn't work!" with no other detail. |
| 12:03 |
jwagner |
Oh, I can panic with the best of them.... |
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kf |
jdavidb++ ;) |
| 12:26 |
jdavidb |
thanks, kf! :) |
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kf |
@karma cait |
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munin |
kf: Karma for "cait" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. |
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kf |
@karma kf |
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munin |
kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13. |
| 12:27 |
kf |
hm, have to work on that :) |
| 12:28 |
jdavidb |
@karma |
| 12:28 |
munin |
jdavidb: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (133), "chris" (126), and "owen" (102). Lowest karma: "<!" (-55), "failed" (-36), and "-" (-23). You (jdavidb) are ranked 17 out of 806. |
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owen |
@karma <! |
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munin |
owen: Karma for "<!" has been increased 1 time and decreased 56 times for a total karma of -55. |
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gmcharlt |
poor punctuation |
| 12:29 |
brendan |
morning |
| 12:29 |
jdavidb |
howdy, brendan; you're up early! |
| 12:29 |
brendan |
:) |
| 12:30 |
braedon |
..so who has been entering comment tags? |
| 12:30 |
owen |
<!-- TMPL_IF -->Quoting templates<!-- /TMPL_IF--> |
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@karma <! |
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munin |
owen: Karma for "<!" has been increased 1 time and decreased 57 times for a total karma of -56. |
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braedon |
ahh |
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i see |
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kmkale |
good evening everybody |
| 12:55 |
* braedon |
waves |
| 12:56 |
braedon |
good evening to you indeed |
| 12:56 |
kmkale |
@weather Mumbai |
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munin |
kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (5:40 PM IST on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:57 |
kmkale |
hi braedon |
| 13:07 |
jdavidb |
hi, kmkale! :) |
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kmkale |
hi jdavidb |
| 13:13 |
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I really got stuck yesterday trying to install either 3.2 or master on a machine with 5.8.8 |
| 13:14 |
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had weird make test errors |
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finally chris_n suggested it must be perl and I uograded to 5.10.0 and lo all is well again |
| 13:14 |
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:) |
| 13:17 |
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but I cant install DBD::SQLite2 on this machine anywhich way I try. How important is having this module? |
| 13:19 |
owen |
I know I've heard about Bug 4462 before, but I'm not sure I remember correctly what the potential problem is |
| 13:19 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4462 minor, P5, ---, oleonard myacpl.org, NEW, Sort By Publication Date Does Not Work |
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| 13:19 |
owen |
Isn't Zebra looking at one of the 00 tags for the date on which to sort? |
| 13:19 |
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...rather than, for instance, trying to parse out a date from 260? |
| 13:22 |
chris_n |
kmkale: DBD::SQLite2 is not necessary unless you use the offline circ tool |
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it won't install for me either |
| 13:22 |
kmkale |
ok. cool. |
| 13:23 |
chris_n |
however, it would be interesting to see if someone else can confirm the apparent 5.10 requirement for 3.2alpha2 |
| 13:23 |
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I don't think that is an intended "feature" |
| 13:23 |
kmkale |
yes. but I tried very hard as you know. |
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i could install 3.0.0 to 3.0.5 but not 3.2alpha2 or master |
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may be that make test paste might have given you a clue? |
| 13:27 |
jcamins |
owen: I have no idea where the sorting is, but I suspect the answer is "yes." Of course, that means that the text in the sort box is misleading. |
| 13:28 |
kf |
why misleading? |
| 13:29 |
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its the publication date, standardized for sorting |
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| 13:30 |
jcamins |
Because if you look in record.abs, for some reason 260c is considered the copyright date (and, yes, I know _that_ is actually the misleading bit). |
| 13:30 |
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(it just depends whether you're the librarian or the developer) |
| 13:30 |
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:) |
| 13:31 |
owen |
What does record.abs say about publication date? |
| 13:32 |
jcamins |
008/07-10 |
| 13:33 |
owen |
"080605s2008 ctua e b 001 0 eng d" |
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Does that correctly work out to "2008" ? |
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I guess if you start from zero |
| 13:33 |
jcamins |
I would argue that the sorting has the desired behavior, it's just confusing to have 'copydate' separate. |
| 13:34 |
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Hm... does Zebra start from zero? |
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(checking now) |
| 13:35 |
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Yep. |
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This reminds me that we're still missing dates in tens of thousands of records. |
| 13:37 |
owen |
My test seems to show correct sorting based on 008/07-10. It can look out of order if you judge by the copyright date |
| 13:37 |
jcamins |
Yeah. I looked at the example in the bug report, and the 008/07-10 isn't set for the records at the top. |
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(or, rather, it's 9999) |
| 13:39 |
owen |
jcamins: Where did you look to find that information about record.abs? |
| 13:40 |
jcamins |
etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs |
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The whole handling of dates in Zebra is a little funny. |
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(that is, the current configuration, not the way Zebra handles dates) |
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| 13:44 |
owen |
jcamins: So this section of record.abs on the line starting "melm 008" |
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pubdate:w:range(data,7,4),pubdate:n:range(data,7,4),pubdate:y:range(data,7,4),pubdate:s:range(data,7,4),pl:w:range(data,15,3) |
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? |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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And the copydate line starts "melm 260$c" |
| 13:46 |
owen |
I assume the "7,4" means start at position 7 and go 4 characters, but what do the "[letter]:range" parts mean? |
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w, n, y, s? |
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jcamins |
The letters are the type of indexing. I think I have a bookmark to the explanation, one moment. |
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http://www.indexdata.com/zebra[…]and-charsets.html |
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So, see etc/zebradb/etec/default.idx |
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*etc/zebradb/etc/default.idx |
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owen |
jcamins: I don't understand what you're pointing out |
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jcamins |
Sorry. If you look in etc/zebradb/etc/default.idx, it explains what each index is. |
| 13:53 |
collum |
word, num, year, sort? |
| 13:53 |
jcamins |
So it would seem. |
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I admit I don't entirely understand that bit. I'm still shocked that I was able to get our custom index on 033 to work. |
| 13:55 |
owen |
Ah, so Zebra has 4 indexes for that one piece of data |
| 13:56 |
collum |
I don't have access to Koha ATM. I'm looking at http://bit.ly/bPsp6E |
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About 20 lines down there's a section on "Date indexing in Koha 3.0 for MARC21" |
| 13:57 |
owen |
That's what I see too collum |
| 13:59 |
kf |
I think range is needed for the syntax in opac 2005 - 2010ß |
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? |
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ok, I mean the search for publication date in advanced search |
| 14:01 |
owen |
Changed Bug 4462 to "worksforme." Someone please comment if I've described the issue incorrectly |
| 14:01 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4462 minor, P5, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Sort By Publication Date Does Not Work |
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jcamins |
Looks clear to me. |
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owen |
Thanks for you help jcamins |
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jcamins++ |
| 14:03 |
jcamins |
My pleasure. Maybe some day I'll start _really_ understanding Zebra, and I'll be able to get 033 indexed in the standard installation. |
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(since no one ever uses 033, that's the field for "date of event, etc." in MARC21) |
| 14:04 |
owen |
How is it used? |
| 14:05 |
jcamins |
We (and the Grolier Club) use it for auction catalogs, so that the date of the auction is searchable. |
| 14:05 |
owen |
Interesting |
| 14:05 |
jcamins |
(I'm checking if our external catalog is up, and if it is, I can send you an example) |
| 14:06 |
* owen |
first worked in an art museum library, so he remembers shelving lots of auction catalogs |
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jcamins |
(catalog is down... I bet I can take a screenshot, though) |
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http://bit.ly/a7oL4l |
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owen |
Why do we have an items.renewals and an issues.renewals? |
| 14:32 |
jwagner |
jcamins, I have a site that's trying to catalog auction catalogs. I set them up with local note fields for auction date, location, & auction house, then created separate indexes and searches for just those fields to isolate. |
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sekjal |
owen: I think the intent is that issues.renewals tracks how many times a book has been renewed for the current loan, and items.renewals tracks how many times it has been renewed in its lifespan |
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wizzyrea |
good morning |
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kf |
good morning wizzyrea |
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kf |
wizzyrea: can I search in the 3.2 manual? |
| 14:37 |
wizzyrea |
you can, with the caveat that the results aren't all that helpful sometimes |
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just use the site search |
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i'm trying to find a way to search just the manual |
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kf |
ah, I think I used for the wrong thing |
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im searching for a description of independantbranches |
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but forgot to truncate :) |
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oh my, cant think english right now - I seached for the wrong term: independant |
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CGI801 |
enable |
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sh ip int brief |
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kf |
wizzyrea: hm, independantbranches does not work, although there is a chapter for that |
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CGI801 |
sh running ip |
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hostname |
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do sh ip int brief |
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config t |
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config t |
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gmcharlt |
CGI801: wrong window? |
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CGI801 |
config |
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do sh ip intbrief |
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do sh ip int brief |
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wizzyrea |
I bet he's wondering why that's not working |
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CGI801 |
logout |
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wizzyrea |
yep. |
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CGI801 |
logout |
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hdl_laptop |
CGI801: this is irc |
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* wizzyrea |
waits for the password |
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hdl_laptop |
'/quit |
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wizzyrea |
hdl_laptop: I think he's in the wrong window |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
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10 bucks they rebooted their computer |
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because the keyboard wasn't working |
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CGI407 |
ok i m quit |
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by by |
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wizzyrea |
bye :) |
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fredericd |
hdl_laptop: perldancer is a very nice framework, I agree :) |
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* chris_n |
thinks munin should recognize and respond to unix commands :) |
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fredericd |
format /dev/hda |
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chris_n |
sudo rm -fr / |
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* collum |
would be scared to type that in even in IRC. |
| 14:58 |
wizzyrea |
^^ |
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* wizzyrea |
agrees with collum |
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hdl_laptop |
fredericd: have you experienced that ? |
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There have been quite lovely proof of concept about that here. |
| 15:01 |
fredericd |
yes, with Koha. |
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almost instantaneous reponse time for an OPAC |
| 15:03 |
pastebot |
"kmkale" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Web Installer › Step 3 errors" (8 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/4 |
| 15:03 |
kmkale |
guyz on a fresh git master install while running web installer I am getting couple of errors on step 3 inserting data |
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bug? |
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hdl_laptop |
same here |
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see you folks |
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gmcharlt |
kmkale: yes, bug - please file |
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kf |
can someone explain the check for dublicates in cataloging? how does it work? |
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I have a catalog of questions about koha to answer... |
| 15:32 |
kmkale |
gmcharlt: ok |
| 15:35 |
jcamins |
If I use Stage MARC Records for Import, I don't have to manually reindex the Zebra, right? I mean, the incremental indexing cron job should take care of it? |
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kf: I've never used that feature. Actually, I haven't really done any cataloging in Koha yet. But I eagerly await the day when I have the opportunity to. |
| 15:36 |
jwagner |
jcamins, yes the indexing cron should take care of things. However, if I'm importing a whole lot of records I might suspend that cron & do a manual rebuild instead. |
| 15:37 |
jcamins |
jwagner: Thanks. I think I may do that, then, since I'm importing 176k records. |
| 15:37 |
kmkale |
Bug 4466 |
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munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4466 major, P5, ---, henridamienkoha-fr.org, NEW, Web Installer › Step 3 errors |
| 15:37 |
jwagner |
jcamins, yes, that's way too many to digest at once :-) |
| 15:38 |
jcamins |
For the computer and me, both! |
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jcamins |
Is there any danger of bad things happening if I truncate import_records? |
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I mean, besides my losing the records which failed to import? |
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kstanton |
@wunder 64506 |
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munin |
kstanton: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 13.3�C (10:48 AM CDT on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Rising). |
| 15:49 |
jcamins |
Huh. Turns out the problem is that /var is full. |
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Probably this has been my problem all along. |
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kstanton |
@seen wizzyrea_away |
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munin |
kstanton: wizzyrea_away was last seen in #koha 6 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <wizzyrea_away> sure thing |
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kstanton |
@seen wizzyrea |
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munin |
kstanton: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 56 minutes and 26 seconds ago: * wizzyrea agrees with collum |
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kstanton |
@seen rhcl |
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munin |
kstanton: rhcl was last seen in #koha 17 hours, 32 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <rhcl> rhcl likes larsw's drawing. Makes things clear. |
| 15:56 |
kstanton |
RHCL would like to introduce Kelly from Rolling Hills Library. She is our web mistress and will be doing some of our Koha web decoration someday probably. |
| 16:03 |
jcamins |
Does anyone here know off the top of their head how large the /var (or /, if you don't have a separate /var) is in their working Koha installation? |
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jwagner |
Welcome, Kelly / kstanton |
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kstanton |
Hi Jane! |
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chris_n |
hey kstanton |
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wizzyrea_away |
oh hi |
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* jwagner |
says "welcome to the madhouse...." |
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wizzyrea_away |
soryr |
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wizzyrea |
was at a meeting |
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kf |
stanton: welcome :) |
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kf |
kstanton... cant today - a good reason to start my weekend |
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bye all :) |
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cant type... args |
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kmkale |
@weather Mumbai |
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munin |
kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 31.0�C (9:40 PM IST on May 07, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). |
| 16:39 |
wizzyrea |
kmkale: I was trying to apply your patch for fines rules, and I kept getting invalid patch. I was sad. |
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idk if anyone else had trouble |
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(it could just be me) |
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kmkale |
wizzyrea: i was just working on that. |
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i have a new file can I email you and can you please test it? |
| 16:41 |
wizzyrea |
I would be delighted |
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lreanekls.org |
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kmkale |
back |
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wizzyrea: any luck? |
| 16:59 |
owen |
sekjal: Thanks for the tip re:renewals. That sounds right |
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* owen |
is trying to figure out why Circulation.pm is querying for 'items.renewalsallowed' on line 2232 of Circulation.pm |
| 17:02 |
gmcharlt |
it isn't |
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see the joins below |
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wizzyrea |
ok sorry, I got called away |
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one minute |
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owen |
Sorry gmcharlt I guess it's over my head. |
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owen |
gmcharlt: How does the join work in relation to "SELECT renewalsallowed FROM items" ? |
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gmcharlt |
owen: the query expands to SELECT renewalsallowed FROM items LEFT JOIN itemtypes ON items.itype = itemtypes.itemtype WHERE items.itemnumber = ? |
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(assuming item-level item types are on) |
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since renewalsallowed is a column in itemtypes, not items, that's where te results are pulled from |
| 17:07 |
owen |
I get it, thanks. |
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wizzyrea |
kmkale: works, some whitespace errors though |
| 17:07 |
owen |
I get confused by what level of specificity is required once you get into joins |
| 17:07 |
* wizzyrea |
is very pleased with that patch |
| 17:08 |
kmkale |
gr8 |
| 17:08 |
owen |
The conclusion, however, is that "renewals allowed" from smart-rules.pl isn't used at all in determining the allowed renewal count |
| 17:09 |
kmkale |
I will go after those white space errors and resubmit. Thanks wizzyrea |
| 17:09 |
owen |
Also: Uh oh: itemtypes.pl no longer includes a field for entering "renewals allowed." |
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Also: No renewalsallowed column in itemtypes |
| 17:11 |
gmcharlt |
owen: pushed a patch that may be relevent - please try again |
| 17:14 |
owen |
Thanks gmcharlt. Now I can look at Bug 3666 on its own merits |
| 17:14 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3666 normal, P5, ---, jmfliblime.com, NEW, Overriding renewal limit results in negative count in OPAC display |
| 17:15 |
gmcharlt |
owen: so the renewal limit policy seems to be working now? |
| 17:15 |
owen |
I see at least that opac-user.pl is reporting a correct number for number of renewals allowed |
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Before no number was appearing at all, hence my hunt |
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And I can confirm that changing the limit in smart-rules.pl is reflected by opac-user.pl's output |
| 17:21 |
jcamins |
gmcharlt: Do you know if the many useful scripts in kohaclone/misc are documented? |
| 17:21 |
gmcharlt |
jcamins: some are, some aren't |
| 17:23 |
jcamins |
I'll ask nengard if she could add a note about the existence of the undocumented ones to the manual, even if they're not documented right away. |
| 17:24 |
nengard |
jcamins nope - that's getting into developer documentation - which is a bit over my head |
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what I do have is all of the cron jobs documented |
| 17:24 |
jcamins |
Oh. Hm. |
| 17:24 |
nengard |
http://koha-community.org/docu[…]-manual/?ch=a9984 |
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and if the cron had perl documentation I included that as well |
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if not it's not listed |
| 17:25 |
jcamins |
Oh well. It was a thought. |
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Perhaps one day I'll have time to document the many useful scripts in kohaclone/misc. |
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:) |
| 17:27 |
gmcharlt |
jcamins: feel free to pick just one for now :) |
| 17:27 |
jcamins |
Yes, I'd certainly only start with one. |
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nengard: Perhaps this would be a good use for the wiki? |
| 17:27 |
nengard |
that's what the developers said :) |
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that the wiki was for developer documentation |
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if you do start writing something - put it on wiki.koha-community.org - not the old site |
| 17:30 |
jcamins |
Is there some structure I should be following? I believe you were nominated to decide on a structure for the wiki, and I don't want to put pages in the wrong place or anything. |
| 17:37 |
kmkale |
wizzyrea: I have now got the patch to a stage where it applies to current head without any errors |
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should I email it again or just add it as anather attachement to the bug page? |
| 17:38 |
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gmcharlt? |
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| 17:43 |
gmcharlt |
kmkale: both |
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kmkale |
ok |
| 17:43 |
gmcharlt |
jcamins: structure can be cleaned up later |
| 17:43 |
kmkale |
here goes ( with fingers crossed ) |
| 17:45 |
nengard |
jcamins - ditto what gmcharlt said |
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it's easy with mediawiki to add categories for structure without having to move pages |
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so we can do it whenever |
| 17:53 |
wizzyrea |
bugs.k-c.org... still waiting for user registrations? |
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i.e. use the old bugs? |
| 17:54 |
owen |
I was wondering about that... Couldn't we just register those email addresses with random passwords and let them claim them later and do a password-reset? |
| 17:54 |
wizzyrea |
guess we need to wait for chris to get up |
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but it's Sat. for him |
| 17:57 |
nengard |
he said to keep using the old bugs site |
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and that he'd call a freeze next week sometime |
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so he can move everything |
| 17:57 |
wizzyrea |
right, I didn't know if that had changed. Oh, I missed that part |
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re: the freeze |
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cool beans then |
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wizzyrea |
bug 3134 is in LEK I think. :/ |
| 17:58 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3134 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Ability to selelct multiple reports to delete at once |
| 17:59 |
* owen |
missed the freeze part too. |
| 17:59 |
wizzyrea |
the fix |
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i mean |
| 18:09 |
kmkale |
gmcharlt: can I ask a newb query regarding git? |
| 18:09 |
gmcharlt |
sure |
| 18:10 |
kmkale |
I have created and sent a patch now but its on hold as there is a feature freeze, in the meanwhile someone changes one of the files to which the patch applies, so when time come to apply / add the patch it will fail |
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is the abive correct? |
| 18:11 |
gmcharlt |
not necessarily |
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git can merge many types of changes |
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* kmkale |
goes to readup on git merge |
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| 18:19 |
kmkale |
is it possible to reverse a commit? or to reverse a patch applied with git apply? |
| 18:20 |
jdavidb |
several ways to do that, depending. |
| 18:20 |
kmkale |
depending on what? |
| 18:21 |
jdavidb |
if it's the most recent commit or not, and whether or not you feel it's safe to rewrite history. |
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(once you've pushed a branch somewhere, is better to assume it's not safe to rewrite history; it'll mess things up for others who might use the pushed branch.) |
| 18:22 |
JeremyLC |
Has anyone, other than LibLime, implemented the hourly circulation RFC yet? |
| 18:23 |
kmkale |
for someone like me whos not pushing any branch |
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? |
| 18:23 |
jdavidb |
If you've done git apply, but not git commit, you can just git checkout <branchname> and your changes will be un-done. |
| 18:23 |
kmkale |
meaning start a new branch? |
| 18:23 |
jdavidb |
If you've committed it, and it's the top commit, and you don't mind rewriting your local history, git reset --hard HEAD^ will un-do it. |
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no; git checkout the branchname you're on; it should toss your changes. |
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(also, could do git checkout HEAD to get to that spot, too) |
| 18:24 |
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if it's not the top commit, git revert <commit-hash> is probably the best way to go. |
| 18:24 |
kmkale |
huh? i am already in that branch right? it still tosses my changes? |
| 18:25 |
jdavidb |
git checkout HEAD will toss uncommitted changes to the current branch, yes. |
| 18:25 |
kmkale |
i am getting a picture of a tape reel. am i right? |
| 18:26 |
jdavidb |
(I use a text-only client; no pics when I do it, so I don't know that,.) |
| 18:26 |
kmkale |
:) |
| 18:26 |
* jdavidb |
is an old coot who is more comfortable in a character-cell terminal than a GUI. |
| 18:26 |
kmkale |
meaning we rewind to a spot to reverse a commit and replay HEAD from there on |
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right? |
| 18:27 |
jdavidb |
that's what it should do--go straight to HEAD, toss everything uncommited to HEAD. |
| 18:27 |
kmkale |
where do I see <commit-hash> ? |
| 18:27 |
wizzyrea |
kmkale: I"m looking at your fines payment printing thing |
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and I don't think you have the option in there to print manual invoices |
| 18:27 |
jdavidb |
That's the 32-character hexadecimal identifier for the commit; every commit has one. I don't know where you'll see that on your client. |
| 18:27 |
wizzyrea |
erm credits |
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http://screencast.com/t/MDM4MzE2N |
| 18:28 |
kmkale |
wizzyrea: not yet |
| 18:28 |
sekjal |
JeremyLC: ByWater Solutions is working on hourly loans |
| 18:28 |
wizzyrea |
ok cool, just wanted to make sure that was on your list of to-do's :) |
| 18:28 |
kmkale |
yup |
| 18:28 |
wizzyrea |
yay! |
| 18:28 |
JeremyLC |
sekjal: Oh? Are they going to contribute it back to the project? |
| 18:29 |
sekjal |
JeremyLC: of course we are! |
| 18:29 |
JeremyLC |
sekjal: How far along are they? |
| 18:29 |
wizzyrea |
afaik everything bywater does comes back |
| 18:29 |
JeremyLC |
er, you then |
| 18:29 |
sekjal |
not far enough along to have much to brag about |
| 18:29 |
JeremyLC |
sekjal: that is an essential feature for us, and we could implement it (and contribute it back) ourselves, but we don't need to duplicate work |
| 18:30 |
sekjal |
but we're aiming to have it done by summers end |
| 18:30 |
wizzyrea |
it would also be cool to be able to print an invoice slip |
| 18:30 |
kmkale |
jdavidb: how do I see my commits? |
| 18:30 |
JeremyLC |
sekjal: any idea when a usable release would be available? |
| 18:30 |
owen |
kmkale: git log |
| 18:30 |
jdavidb |
Again, you're using a client I've never seen, so I don't know. "git log" gives a list of them, for me. |
| 18:30 |
kmkale |
wizzyrea: you mean manual invoice? or just any ? |
| 18:30 |
wizzyrea |
any invoice |
| 18:30 |
sekjal |
JeremyLC: I can't give you a date on that, but I can keep you posted |
| 18:31 |
* wizzyrea |
notes that she should look at what you did and spring off of it to help out with some of this stuff. |
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kmkale |
jdavidb : client? whats that? I am running all these commands in a terminal |
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wizzyrea: yes thats easy |
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planning to put same print link in fron of invoices too |
| 18:32 |
JeremyLC |
sekjal: Okay |
| 18:32 |
kmkale |
owen: thanks |
| 18:32 |
wizzyrea |
kmkale: brilliant! |
| 18:33 |
kmkale |
past midnight. working tomorrow. so good night all |
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| 18:34 |
JeremyLC |
sekjal: could we possibly discuss this via EMail too? (JeremyCuta.edu) |
| 18:34 |
sekjal |
JeremyLC: of course |
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I've got you down in my contacts list, with a note to keep you posted |
| 18:35 |
JeremyLC |
thanks |
| 18:36 |
sekjal |
yeah, hourly loans really need doing. I think it's a blocker for a lot of libraries, particularly academic |
| 18:37 |
owen |
I think hourly loans will also be useful for children's comic book collections: "I told you you could look at that for a minute and it's been ONE MINUTE!" |
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Not that children collect comic books anymore. |
| 18:39 |
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"I told you you could look at my Edison Records wax cylinder for a minute and it's been ONE MINUTE." |
| 18:41 |
sekjal |
owen: lol |
| 18:44 |
wizzyrea |
somebody... anybody... want to reply to slef's concerns re: the vendor list? |
| 18:45 |
owen |
What conversation is this? |
| 18:45 |
wizzyrea |
on the main list |
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he wants the linkback clause and to exclude companies that behave poorly |
| 18:46 |
owen |
Is that from today? I don't see it |
| 18:46 |
wizzyrea |
sent at 1:18 |
| 18:48 |
nengard |
i also don't see it on the list... |
| 18:49 |
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was it sent to just you? |
| 18:49 |
wizzyrea |
no, it says to: Me CC: Koha list |
| 18:49 |
collum |
It's not in my inbox or trash. |
| 18:49 |
wizzyrea |
i forwarded it to you owen |
| 18:49 |
owen |
could be that fancy fast Google they have in KS. Special just for them. |
| 18:49 |
wizzyrea |
well that is just odd |
| 18:49 |
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pbbt |
| 18:50 |
collum |
Maybe google has blocked off the US except for KS. :) |
| 18:50 |
nengard |
she got it cause it went to her and to the list |
| 18:50 |
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it just didn't make it to the list yet |
| 18:51 |
wizzyrea |
must be making its way through the list process now |
| 18:51 |
owen |
"Can't locate HTML/Scrubber.pm in @INC" ? |
| 18:51 |
wizzyrea |
!? |
| 18:51 |
owen |
I get that when I go to opac-tags.pl |
| 18:53 |
nengard |
wizzyrea two of the bugs i submitted this morning still haven't made it to the bugs mailing list |
| 18:53 |
wizzyrea |
hmmmm |
| 18:53 |
nengard |
sounds to me like the koha domains are a bit choked up |
| 18:53 |
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email wise |
| 18:53 |
wizzyrea |
perhaps we should ping the biblibre folk |
| 18:53 |
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yea, I haven't gotten anything since 9:55 |
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this morning |
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(except this email from MJ, but it was to me also, as nengard pointed out) |
| 18:54 |
owen |
Ditto on my bug activity |
| 18:55 |
* chris_n |
confirms no list mail |
| 18:56 |
chris |
which list? koha-devel? |
| 18:56 |
nengard |
bugs |
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and koha |
| 18:56 |
chris_n |
any |
| 18:56 |
chris |
koha is totally different to the others |
| 18:56 |
chris_n |
7:41am edt is the last from koha here |
| 18:56 |
chris |
thats kohalists.katipo.co.nz |
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and there is nothing in the queue there |
| 18:57 |
nengard |
hmmm - what about the email wizzy got but none of us did? |
| 18:57 |
chris_n |
7:45 for the dev list |
| 18:57 |
wizzyrea |
it was to me |
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directly |
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+ the list |
| 18:57 |
nengard |
which list? |
| 18:57 |
wizzyrea |
main koha |
| 18:57 |
chris_n |
bugs has been working for me, however |
| 18:57 |
nengard |
chris - what about that one? |
| 18:57 |
chris |
not in the queue |
| 18:58 |
wizzyrea |
oooo eeee oooo |
| 18:58 |
chris |
its probably in a greylist |
| 18:58 |
nengard |
chris_n i submitted 2 bugs this AM and didn't get the emails- but did get other emails |
| 18:58 |
wizzyrea |
hm |
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patcheskoha.org or koha-patcheslists.koha.org |
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chris_n |
nengard: sorry, those were addressed to me rather than the bug list |
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wizzyrea: last patch came through here ~1:37 am local time |
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but then, Fridays are always slow |
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* wizzyrea |
is merely a user of the lists, not an admin |
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wizzyrea |
but that's weird that there's nothign in the queue, chris. I'm sure slef meant for that message to go to the list |
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owen |
Anyone have a suggestion for my Scrubber.pm problem? |
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"Can't locate HTML/Scrubber.pm in @INC" ? |
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owen |
am I missing a dependency? |
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gmcharlt |
owen: yes |
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sudo apt-get install libhtml-scrubber-perl |
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* owen |
wonders if that could have gotten uninstalled when he upgraded |
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chris_n |
wizzyrea: is the list email addr spelled wrong by chance? |
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chris |
i sent one kohalists ... nothing so far .. but it didnt bounce .. it just hasnt hit the list yet so maybe there is a big queue of mail |
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* owen |
heading home |
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owen |
Have a good weekend all |
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jcamins |
chris: You're RM for 3.4, right? |
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chris |
yep |
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jcamins |
I have a question for you... what would it take to get the fix for Bug 4367 into 3.4? |
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munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4367 normal, P5, ---, caminsnumismatics.org, ASSIGNED, shelfbrowser should take collection code into consideration |
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jcamins |
(i.e. does it need to be more general/use a syspref, etc.?) |
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chris |
lemme look |
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yes would need a syspref |
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current behaviour should be the default, but if you toggle the syspref then it can work the way libraries with no callnumbers would like |
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jcamins |
Okay. That makes sense. We'll look into adding a syspref, then. |
| 19:25 |
chris |
cool |
| 19:27 |
jcamins |
We also need to figure out how to make the enhancement for Bug 4421 general, but I don't think that's something I'm going to worry about for a bit yet. |
| 19:27 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4421 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, NEW, Should be possible to display location for bibs w/o items |
| 19:43 |
wizzyrea |
chris_n: no, it doesn't look like the list addy is wrong |
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brendan |
@roulette |
| 21:07 |
munin |
brendan: *click* |
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sekjal |
@roulette |
| 21:08 |
munin |
*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! |
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* munin |
reloads and spins the chambers. |
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sekjal |
well that doesn't bode well |
| 21:10 |
brendan |
heh |
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@eightball will 3.2 get out the door? |
| 21:11 |
munin |
brendan: Maybe... |
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wizzyrea |
@eightball will we release 3.2 in the next 2 months? |
| 21:13 |
munin |
wizzyrea: Maybe... |
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wizzyrea |
@eightball will we release 3.2 in the next 3 months? |
| 21:13 |
munin |
wizzyrea: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing! |
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wizzyrea |
@eightball will we release 3.2 in the next 4 months? |
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munin |
wizzyrea: What are you asking me for? |
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wizzyrea |
right. we should ask gmcharlt ;) |
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brendan |
I feel that gmcharlt's answers would be the same |
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@eightball gmcharlt is distracted by shiny-things? |
| 21:14 |
munin |
brendan: Obviously. |
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wizzyrea |
awwwww that's not fair |
| 21:14 |
brendan |
well there you go |
| 21:14 |
wizzyrea |
no abusing the RM with his own bot... |
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brendan |
sorry gmcharlt |
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gmcharlt++ |
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wizzyrea |
:D |
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well, as a general rule, it's better not to abuse the RM |
| 21:16 |
brendan |
how you doing wizzyrea |
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wizzyrea |
I'm doing well :) |
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how about you? |
| 21:16 |
brendan |
@eightball is wizzyrea distracted by shiny-things? |
| 21:16 |
munin |
brendan: Yes! |
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brendan |
I'm well |
| 21:16 |
gmcharlt |
@eightball is munin in need of retraining? |
| 21:16 |
munin |
gmcharlt: Unlikely. |
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brendan |
heh |
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wizzyrea |
oh snap, you got told |
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gmcharlt |
@eightball will brendan help by sending patches for blockers? |
| 21:17 |
munin |
gmcharlt: No clue. |
| 21:17 |
gmcharlt |
hmm |
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brendan |
ouch munin |
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wizzyrea |
huh. http://feedproxy.google.com/~r[…]10-web-directions |
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sekjal |
@eightball will I make it as far as Utica tonight? |
| 22:06 |
munin |
sekjal: Naturally. |
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sekjal |
oh, thanks, munin. that's reassuring |
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Genji |
greetings all |
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whats the development guide link? |
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and how do i rebase up to a certain commit? |
| 23:27 |
mason |
git reset --hard $COMMIT |
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then do the rebase.... |
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thats what i would do |
