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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:03 | nengard | we need a week long freeze? |
| 00:03 | so if we're talking 2 weeks, then maybe you should write up something for the newsletter ;) or I can take your blog post | |
| 00:07 | chris | you can take the blog post |
| 00:07 | i dont have time to write much of anything im afraid | |
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| 00:41 | joetho | "...What caused the major split between the Koha community and LibLime was the company's decision to keep its fork private and not give back. It promised to do so, but instead withdrew from the Koha community altogether...." |
| 00:46 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]ember/020204.html | |
| 00:47 | ^ ^ ^ but there are a few typos: remove the leading 1 and 0 from "100%" | |
| 00:49 | a better link, but you have to subscribe to lwn.net: https://lwn.net/Articles/386284/ | |
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| 01:34 | richard is now known as rich-away | |
| 01:34 | chris_n | thanks for the link joetho |
| 01:41 | chris | its probably nicer not to share that link |
| 01:41 | thats someones paid for subscription, and it would be nice to lwn, who just wrote that good article if didnt do that | |
| 01:41 | larsw | the lwn link? the one joetho gave requires you to be logged in to see the page |
| 01:41 | chris | ahh thats aill rignt then ;) |
| 01:42 | it seems to work without a login for me | |
| 01:42 | larsw | hmm |
| 01:42 | robin | He posted two LWN links |
| 01:42 | that's why | |
| 01:42 | larsw | ah |
| 01:42 | I only noticed https://lwn.net/Articles/386284/ | |
| 01:42 | chris | i think ill kill the logged in one |
| 01:42 | from the logs | |
| 01:42 | not fair to lwn | |
| 01:43 | chris_n | says right on the page: "The following subscription-only content has been made available to you by an LWN subscriber. Thousands of subscribers depend on LWN for the best news from the Linux and free software communities. If you enjoy this article, please consider accepting the trial offer on the right. Thank you for visiting LWN.net! " |
| 01:43 | so it sounds like a link intended to be shared imho | |
| 01:43 | chris | not to the world |
| 01:43 | in a google crawled log page | |
| 01:43 | * chris | will remove from the log |
| 01:43 | larsw | I forget what lwn's actual stated policy on that is |
| 01:43 | chris_n | ahh, did not think of that |
| 01:43 | chris | sharing it with individuals seems fine |
| 01:44 | larsw | sharing with individuals is definitely fine |
| 01:44 | http://lwn.net/op/FAQ.lwn#slinks | |
| 01:44 | "As long as people do not use subscriber links as a way to defeat our attempts to gain subscribers, we are happy to see them shared. " | |
| 01:44 | so they should be fine with that | |
| 01:44 | chris | cool |
| 01:44 | ill leave it | |
| 01:45 | robin | that's a nice policy they have |
| 01:45 | chris_n | yup |
| 01:45 | larsw | it's why they haven't grown to a global media conglomeration... yet |
| 01:45 | doing things Right takes more | |
| 01:45 | time | |
| 01:45 | chris_n | Where is it appropriate to post a subscriber link? |
| 01:46 | Almost anywhere. Private mail, messages to project mailing lists, and weblog entries are all appropriate | |
| 01:46 | so should be ok | |
| 01:49 | joetho | deleting from the log would probably be a good idea |
| 01:50 | do that, please? | |
| 01:50 | robin | joetho: not necessary :) |
| 01:50 | joetho | the link I got was a twitter feed, which I posted here, |
| 01:50 | robin | LWN is OK with that sort of sharing |
| 01:50 | joetho | then realized it was a subscription link |
| 01:51 | well anyway. | |
| 01:55 | chris | turns out i was wrong |
| 01:55 | they dont mind sharing it | |
| 01:55 | joetho | are you sure? |
| 01:55 | chris | http://lwn.net/op/FAQ.lwn#slinks |
| 01:55 | Where is it appropriate to post a subscriber link? | |
| 01:55 | Almost anywhere. Private mail, messages to project mailing lists, and weblog entries are all appropriate. As long as people do not use subscriber links as a way to defeat our attempts to gain subscribers, we are happy to see them shared. | |
| 01:56 | so if some ppl subscribe (i just did) | |
| 01:56 | then its working as intended | |
| 01:58 | chris_n | hehe, it worked on me too :) |
| 02:07 | g'night | |
| 02:07 | chris | night chris_n |
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| 03:33 | Amit_G | heya brendan, chris |
| 03:34 | brendan | heya Amit_G |
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| 04:32 | robin | yay, I now have a working-but-basic csv-to-MARC-XML converter that doesn't require weird windows programs. |
| 04:33 | Amit_G | heya robin |
| 04:33 | robin | hello |
| 04:33 | larsw | how big do Koha databases get? |
| 04:50 | robin | larsw: about this big: [................] (not to scale:) |
| 04:52 | chris | heh |
| 04:52 | larsw | it'd be nice be able to guesstimate the size, given, say, number of patrons and items |
| 04:52 | but "manageabley big" is good enough for me now :) | |
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| 05:19 | robin | http://paste.ubuntu.com/428752/ <-- if anyone is interested, these are the docs for the tool I'm working on. Its aim is to help smaller migrations (i.e. those that have been using a spreadsheet or simple database.) |
| 05:19 | It's still a work-in-progress though, but the important functions work, and MARCXML comes out the other end. | |
| 06:06 | brendan | robin++ that looks great |
| 06:07 | that will be really usefully | |
| 06:07 | robin | I hope so :) |
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| 06:41 | kmkale | good afternoon everybody :) |
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| 07:00 | brendan | night |
| 07:08 | kmkale | @seen chris_n |
| 07:08 | munin | kmkale: chris_n was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 1 minute, and 3 seconds ago: <chris_n> g'night |
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| 07:10 | chris | he will probably be around in about 4 hours kmkale |
| 07:11 | hi kf | |
| 07:12 | kmkale | chris: thanks |
| 07:16 | kf | good morning chris and #koha |
| 07:17 | kmkale | good morning kf |
| 07:18 | kf | hi kmkale |
| 07:21 | Ropuch^_ | Morning #koha |
| 07:21 | chris | hi Ropuch^_ |
| 07:22 | Ropuch^_ | Hi chris |
| 07:23 | kf | hi Ropuch |
| 07:23 | Ropuch^_ | Guten Tag, kf [; |
| 07:23 | kf | ;) |
| 07:28 | kmkale | in the label creator add items how do I get barcodes listed serially? when I select barcode from the drop down I get only 1. I tried adding a * or a % at the end of the barcode string but that does not work |
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| 07:40 | magnus | g'day #koha |
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| 08:40 | CGI575 | Bonjour, est ce que qqun sait s'il est possible de dupliquer la configuration d'une install Kaho pour la réinstaller sur une autre machine ? |
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| 08:44 | kf | CGI575: not all people here understand french (me included) perhaps you want to ask in the french channel or repeat your question in english |
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| 08:47 | magnus | CGI575: "le salon francophone est accessible sur le serveur irc.freenode.org, salon #koha-fr" http://koha-fr.org/taxonomy/term/2 ;-) |
| 08:55 | CGI575 | thank KF. sorry |
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| 08:57 | kmkale | On a fresh git downloaded dev install I am getting number of errors during make test. "Error: "MarkIssueReturned" is not exported by the C4::Circulation module" this is repeated for many modules |
| 08:58 | any ideas? | |
| 08:58 | CGI575 | somebody know how it's possible to export configuration and use it, to install koha under another computer ? |
| 09:00 | kf | the configuration is in the database |
| 09:00 | there is no export option, but you could perhaps reuse your database in another install | |
| 09:01 | magnus | and there is some config in koha-config.xml too |
| 09:05 | sorry that should of course be koha-conf.xml | |
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| 09:06 | magnus | kmkale: sounds like a bug to me |
| 09:06 | CGI575 | oky. I try it to know if it's work, thnak you |
| 09:07 | kmkale | should I paste the errors somewhere like paste buffer? |
| 09:11 | magnus | kmkale: i'm not sure i can help you, but maybe others can - please do |
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| 09:13 | pastebot | "kmkale" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Koha fresh git down and dev install make test fails with "MarkIssueReturned" is not exported by the C4::xxx module" (307 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/1 |
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| 09:21 | magnus | kmkale, i'm a bit out of my depth here, but in the newest version of C4/Circulation it certainly *looks* like MarkIssueReturned is exported: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]lation.pm;hb=HEAD line 86 |
| 09:21 | could you have a look at your actual C4/Circulation.pm and see if looks the same? | |
| 09:24 | kmkale | magnus: i just did a git fetch and rebase again and re ran through the routine starting with make clean till make test again same errors |
| 09:27 | magnus: line 86 looks exactly same in my local C4/Circulation.pm as it does in the link above | |
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| 09:29 | kmkale | back in an hour or so |
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| 09:30 | magnus | kmkale: hm, i'm out of ideas then... :-( |
| 09:30 | chris | you can probably safely ignore that test result |
| 09:31 | * chris | will check the code |
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| 09:32 | chris | in the base of your git clone |
| 09:32 | can you type | |
| 09:32 | prove | |
| 09:35 | it should run the tests | |
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| 09:43 | magnus | chris: kmkale left, said he'd back in an hour |
| 09:44 | chris | heh i should pay more attention |
| 09:45 | magnus | :-) |
| 09:47 | kf | importing records into my own development installation - yay :) |
| 09:49 | magnus | way to go, kf ;-) |
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| 09:51 | magnus | chris: i just did the whole upgrade process on my installation of HEAD (where i just "git pull" in new changes), and did not see any warnings from make test about MarkIssueReturned |
| 09:54 | chris | yeah ditto |
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| 10:04 | Irinie | Goodmorning |
| 10:06 | Please, I want to know : "Which format it better with koha : Marc21 or Unimarc" | |
| 10:07 | magnus | Irinie: depends on who and where you are, i think... |
| 10:07 | Irinie | I'm librarian from Egypt |
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| 10:08 | Irinie | I just want to know if Unimarc have any bugs or problem with koha |
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| 10:09 | magnus | Irinie: i think they both work just as well, there is a large number of french libraries using it |
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| 10:10 | Irinie | ok. could I do the migration of data from excel file to unimarc using marcedit |
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| 10:16 | magnus | sorry, i'm not familiar with marcedit, but i think so. anyone else know? |
| 10:16 | kmkale | i know marcedit pretty well |
| 10:16 | but never used unimarc | |
| 10:18 | joetho | that requires the marcedit "delimited translator" feature, and I have had some problems with that |
| 10:18 | this marcedit feature converts a txt or csv file to marc. | |
| 10:19 | the column headings are converted to marc tags | |
| 10:19 | kmkale | joetho I have converted 550000 books with the delimited translator wizard |
| 10:19 | work well | |
| 10:20 | joetho | Oh I have got it to work before, but my current project is a little complex. |
| 10:20 | magnus | kmkale: chris replied re MarkIssueReturned while you were away: http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]10-05-06#i_435480 |
| 10:22 | Amit_G | heya kmkale |
| 10:23 | kmkale | thank magnus |
| 10:23 | hi amit | |
| 10:25 | thd is now known as thd-away | |
| 10:25 | kmkale | chris: prove says result pass |
| 10:26 | chris | right, so im not sure what is up with your make test |
| 10:26 | i think ignore it | |
| 10:26 | kmkale | :( |
| 10:26 | chris | both prove and make test don't throw that error for me |
| 10:27 | and why is joetho awake before ive gone to sleep | |
| 10:27 | :) | |
| 10:30 | chris_n` is now known as chris_n | |
| 10:30 | chris_n | g'morning |
| 10:30 | kmkale | chris make test does not throw it on my laptop where I just did a git fetch |
| 10:30 | buut on this fresh git pull I am getting these errors consistently | |
| 10:31 | chris | try a git clean |
| 10:31 | kmkale | ok git clean and then git fetch? |
| 10:32 | fatal: clean.requireForce not set and -n or -f not given; refusing to clean ?? | |
| 10:36 | git clean -f then git fetch then perl Makefile.PL then make then make test same errors :( | |
| 10:37 | chris | how weird |
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| 11:18 | kmkale | chris: yikes the error is now on webinstall screen |
| 11:18 | i went ahead and did make install as you said ignore :( | |
| 11:19 | you can see it here http://staff.kalibindia.com/ | |
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| 11:42 | Amit_G | heya jwagner |
| 11:43 | @wunder New Delhi | |
| 11:43 | munin | Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 35.0�C (4:30 PM IST on May 06, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:43 | Amit_G | @wunder Bangalore |
| 11:43 | munin | Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 30.0�C (11:30 AM IST on May 06, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. |
| 11:43 | jwagner | Morning/Evening Amit_G |
| 11:46 | chris_n | hi Amit_G and jwagner |
| 11:46 | Amit_G | heya chris_n |
| 11:47 | @wunder Dehradun | |
| 11:47 | chris_n | jwagner: do you all use notices? |
| 11:47 | munin | Amit_G: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 33.0�C (11:30 AM IST on May 06, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.61 in 1003 hPa. |
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| 11:49 | jwagner | chris_n, a lot of our sites use notices |
| 11:50 | chris_n | how about advanced notices |
| 11:50 | jwagner | Some do. |
| 11:50 | * chris_n | cannot seem to get them to work properly |
| 11:50 | jwagner | What's the question? |
| 11:50 | chris_n | I have the advanced notice setup with no delay |
| 11:50 | and the overdue notice with a delay of 1 | |
| 11:51 | yet both are sent on the day the item is due | |
| 11:51 | jwagner | In the notice triggers? |
| 11:51 | chris_n | yup |
| 11:51 | jwagner | The advance notices shouldn't be set up in the triggers -- they're controlled by the cron job. |
| 11:51 | chris_n | ahh |
| 11:52 | jwagner | Number of days in advance has to be set from the patron's message settings. |
| 11:52 | Notice triggers are only for overdues. | |
| 11:52 | chris_n | that's my problem |
| 11:53 | what a messed up section of code :-P | |
| 11:53 | jwagner | script is misc/cronjobs/advance_notices.pl |
| 11:53 | chris_n | the fact that advanced notices appears in the notice triggers section is quite confusing |
| 11:53 | * chris_n | seems to remember going down this line of thought once before |
| 11:54 | chris_n | thanks jwagner :) |
| 11:55 | jwagner | Yeah, the wording on the notice triggers page could be improved, if nothing else. |
| 12:00 | pastebot | "kmkale" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "git woes on rebase origin/master" (25 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/2 |
| 12:00 | kmkale | chris_n: i just did a git fetch and git rebase origin/master and this is what I got. Can you please help me understand and resolve this? |
| 12:02 | chris_n | you need to edit koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/members/boraccount.tmpl |
| 12:02 | search for '<<<<' | |
| 12:02 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 12:02 | chris_n | you will see that this marker indicates the start of code that is in the current HEAD |
| 12:02 | hi gmcharlt | |
| 12:03 | kmkale: after some lines | |
| 12:03 | you will see: ======= | |
| 12:03 | then more lines | |
| 12:03 | and then >>>>> | |
| 12:03 | kf | morning jwagner |
| 12:03 | chris_n | those lines are the ones form the patch |
| 12:03 | from, even | |
| 12:04 | kmkale | ok then? |
| 12:04 | jwagner | morning kf |
| 12:04 | chris_n | you have to figure out which lines should stay and which should go |
| 12:04 | kmkale | ouch. and I just learnt to read perl :( |
| 12:04 | chris_n | kmkale: after working that out be sure that the lines with <<<<< and ==== and >>>>> are removed |
| 12:04 | save | |
| 12:05 | and 'git add koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/members/boraccount.tmpl' | |
| 12:05 | then 'git rebase --continue' | |
| 12:05 | and hold your breath :-) | |
| 12:05 | kmkale: it is not as bad as it sounds | |
| 12:05 | paste the file koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/members/boraccount.tmpl | |
| 12:05 | and I'll see if I can help sort it out for you | |
| 12:06 | kmkale | whats the emoticon for crying in irc? just assume I wrote it |
| 12:06 | chris_n | :'( |
| 12:06 | whooo... biometrics aaa for Koha | |
| 12:08 | pastebot | "kmkale" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "boraccount.tmpl" (90 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/3 |
| 12:10 | * chris_n | looks |
| 12:10 | chris_n | kmkale: ahh.. this is not bad |
| 12:11 | kmkale | i just see 3 lines between those markers but cant fig out whats wrong |
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| 12:21 | kf | I want to install syspref translation - has someone a link with instructions or some hints for me? |
| 12:22 | is it just the same as for intranet and staff? | |
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| 12:40 | kf | fredericd: around? |
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| 12:50 | Nate | good morning all |
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| 12:54 | chris_n | hey Nate |
| 12:54 | Nate | howdy chris _n |
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| 12:55 | kf | :( |
| 12:58 | chris_n | bad day kf? |
| 12:58 | kf | not really |
| 12:58 | just not going as I want it to | |
| 12:58 | chris_n | sounds familiar :) |
| 12:58 | kf | have you installed other languages in your installation? |
| 12:59 | I cant get sysprefeditor translated :( | |
| 12:59 | chris_n | I have not, sorry to say |
| 12:59 | kf | hm, ok |
| 13:00 | the script seems to write the files, but they are still english, its weird | |
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| 13:08 | kmkale | guyz I am still having the Error: "MarkIssueReturned" is not exported by the C4::Circulation module reported by make test issue inspite of doing a git reset --hard HEAD |
| 13:08 | and if I ignore that and do make install, the web installer throws ""MarkIssueReturned" is not exported by the C4::Circulation module"" | |
| 13:09 | any help? | |
| 13:10 | kf | kmkale: sorry |
| 13:11 | mirbolt | hello, i am on a very slow connection, i hope this gets through. i have just installed koha and am getting Access denied for user 'koha'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 666. when i try to access the opac or the intranet, you anyone tell me something i might have missed? |
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| 13:12 | kmkale | I am using git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git |
| 13:13 | kf | mirbolt: it looks like you cant access the database - perhaps you have a mistake in dbuser / password / database name |
| 13:15 | mirbolt | from when i did the grant all on the database? |
| 13:15 | kf | did the web installer start? |
| 13:15 | mirbolt | no the web installer didn't start |
| 13:15 | kf | first you need to create the database and grant all, as you said, then you rund makefile.pl and enter database name, user and password, those must match |
| 13:16 | mirbolt | hmm, i thought i did all that, i will go and check, thanks |
| 13:17 | kf | I had the same error message today, the problem was a typo in my database connection, wrong user name |
| 13:17 | or wrong password | |
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| 13:20 | mirbolt | kf: you are my new favourite person in the whole world :) thanks |
| 13:25 | kf | wow |
| 13:25 | jcamins | kmkale: Are you around? |
| 13:25 | kf | :) |
| 13:26 | hdl_laptop | hi |
| 13:27 | kf | hi hdl_laptop |
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| 13:30 | kmkale | jcamins: yes |
| 13:31 | jcamins | Oh, good. I am trying to understand my difficulties with Stage MARC Record for Import, and I remember that it worked fine for you... |
| 13:32 | Do you use a Linux machine or a Mac? I'm suspecting that the problems I was running into may come from my Windows XP/Firefox 3.6 desktop. | |
| 13:33 | (and I want to figure out what works to tell our IT guy) | |
| 13:33 | kmkale | i use ubuntu |
| 13:33 | what problems are you facing? | |
| 13:33 | kf | hdl_laptop: I try to install German sys pref editor, I tried French too it worked without problems. I get the same output from translate for German, but translation does not happen, still everythng is english. have you perhaps an idea where the problem could be? |
| 13:34 | jcamins | kmkale: Eventually I got it to work, but the upload times out whenever the file is more than 4 MB. |
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| 13:34 | jcamins | And this seems like a client issue more than a server issue. |
| 13:35 | kmkale | jcamins:Are you and the server on same LAN |
| 13:37 | jcamins | Yes we are. |
| 13:38 | However, we're using a consumer router/switch for a 30-some node LAN, which might have something to do with it, now that I think about it. | |
| 13:39 | kmkale | not sure but you can try copying the file on the server and ruiing firefox on it and upload locally |
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| 13:40 | jcamins | That's a brilliant idea. I think perhaps I'll give that a try. |
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| 13:40 | jcamins | Clearly I spent too much time banging my head against a wall, and my brain cells were crushed. |
| 13:41 | :) | |
| 13:47 | kmkale | I know. mine is pulp already with all this git fun I am having lately :) |
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| 13:48 | jcamins | Yay! Fun with git! |
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| 13:48 | jcamins | If it makes you feel better, I have the sinking sensation that I may have broken my public repository. |
| 13:50 | kmkale | all that tell me is that you are a advcanced git user and I can ask for you help on matters git if other kind folks who are helping me gain my feet in #koha aren't around or get tired of my bugging :) |
| 13:50 | jcamins | Not terribly advanced, but I can try and help. At the very least, I can relate to the pain of not having a clue what the documentation means. ;) |
| 13:51 | kf | hah |
| 13:51 | it worked | |
| 13:51 | hdl_laptop: it worked, forget my question :) | |
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| 13:52 | kmkale | :) |
| 13:54 | jcamins | Apparently it's not entirely the client. I guess we're back to the usual suspect: Virtual Box (we're running our server in a Virtual Box instance). |
| 13:55 | Oh well. I'll just file an enhancement request to make this work with bulkmarcimport.pl | |
| 13:55 | kmkale | oh. there you go |
| 13:56 | i usually throw hardware at it | |
| 13:56 | jcamins | For good reason (this reminds me: our public catalog has probably crashed again). |
| 14:07 | kmkale | i dont like virtual machines much and actively try to run things on hardware as much as possible |
| 14:08 | jcamins | I feel the same way. I don't like the idea that my "hard drive" can be erased by someone sitting down at the unsecured host machine and hitting the delete key. |
| 14:09 | kmkale | :) |
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| 14:20 | jcamins | chris: Around? |
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| 14:24 | collum | jcamins: too early for Chris. I think it's 2 am in NZ. |
| 14:27 | jcamins | Yeah, I realized that after asking. |
| 14:28 | kmkale | jcamins: fyi the max file size I have gotten up to is 50m so far |
| 14:30 | jcamins | kmkale: Wow! Definitely Virtual Box. We'll talk to IT about maybe getting an actual computer set up. It's not like we should need a super powerful computer. |
| 14:34 | kmkale | YIKES i trashed my kohaclone, did a new git clone and lo and behold sure enough those nasty make test errors are back :( |
| 14:35 | wizzyrea | jcamins: I broke my git this morning too |
| 14:35 | must be something in the water | |
| 14:36 | kmkale | I am using git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git |
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| 14:45 | vdsmile | hello |
| 14:46 | now i am working on koha and i want to develop an import module for notices | |
| 14:46 | anyone have an idea | |
| 14:46 | ? | |
| 14:46 | please help | |
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| 14:49 | wizzyrea | ... |
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| 14:49 | wizzyrea | welcome back |
| 14:49 | vdsmile | thx |
| 14:49 | wizzyrea | what kind of module for notices? |
| 14:50 | http://koha-community.org/get-[…]d/for-developers/ to get started | |
| 14:50 | vdsmile | thx for the uri |
| 14:51 | wizzyrea | sure :) |
| 14:51 | vdsmile | i will return back later after reading the doc |
| 14:51 | wizzyrea | sounds good |
| 14:51 | vdsmile | thnak you |
| 14:51 | wizzyrea | good luck :) |
| 14:51 | vdsmile | :) |
| 14:53 | wajasu | i added a bug for the amazon associate id tag to be used so reverred revenue might be had. |
| 14:53 | vdsmile | another question |
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| 14:54 | vdsmile | there are many pages in koha where you can choose the site, so i want to do something which catching the user connecting site and propose it for default |
| 14:56 | for example in the search module page, I have an input select containing a list of sites availables | |
| 14:57 | i want to mask it and process the search just in the user connected site | |
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| 15:04 | ebegin | Hi all! Anybody has suggestion for managing ILL? |
| 15:06 | kf | jcamins: I just saw your bug report - we use staged marc import from command line |
| 15:06 | jcamins: overlaying records using matching rules | |
| 15:06 | jcamins | kf: Really? How? |
| 15:08 | kf | jcamins: my colleague did it... I just know we do |
| 15:10 | jcamins | kf: If at all possible, I would love to find out exactly how. Should I e-mail and ask? |
| 15:10 | kf | jcamins: I asked him, he said it was no problem to use the scripts from command ilne |
| 15:10 | jcamins | And they just... worked? |
| 15:11 | kf | thats what he told me |
| 15:11 | we had a problem, because they give you no error when matching rule does not exist... but this is a problem thats solvable :) | |
| 15:12 | jcamins | Huh. Clearly I did something wrong, then, because every time I tried bulkmarcimport.pl, it just duplicated the records, or ignored matching records. |
| 15:13 | kf | no not bulkmarcimport |
| 15:13 | the scripts for staged marc import | |
| 15:13 | jcamins | Oh. That would be why it didn't work. |
| 15:13 | Where are they? | |
| 15:14 | kf | http://spedr.com/efzc |
| 15:14 | I think here, but dont know how to use them | |
| 15:16 | jcamins | Oh, wait. There's a script called 'stage_biblios_file.pl' |
| 15:16 | Look at that. | |
| 15:17 | I guess I need to change my enhancement request to refer to the documentation. | |
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| 15:35 | kf | jcamins: just thought it would perhaps help you to solve your problem |
| 15:35 | jcamins: I have set up a koha installation for xslt development and can start now to look into the linkings | |
| 15:36 | for analytics | |
| 15:36 | ok, time to leave now - bye #koha | |
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| 15:36 | jcamins | Hooray! |
| 15:36 | kf++ | |
| 15:48 | jwagner | gmcharlt, online? |
| 15:48 | gmcharlt | hi jwagner |
| 15:48 | jwagner | Hi there. You left me a message yesterday about Syndetics and the latest head? |
| 15:48 | I just updated my 3.2 server and it looks like Syndetics content is now working OK | |
| 15:49 | gmcharlt | cool, thanks for confirming |
| 15:49 | jwagner | So does this now mean that owen's patch is OK too? |
| 15:49 | gmcharlt | most likely, yes |
| 15:49 | jwagner | good news! |
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| 16:08 | kmkale | cloning over git.koha-community.org is noticeably faster than over git.koha.org |
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| 16:19 | schuster | hmmm going through problems on my desk - If you checkout a book - send it to lost, it will still allow you to check that book out to someone else, but leaves it still as lost on the first borrower. |
| 16:19 | I found this bug, but I don't think it is 100% related to my situation. bug 3399 | |
| 16:19 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3399 normal, P2, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, REOPENED, Item checked out - marked lost - checked in - switches status to 'lost' & checkout status switches to 'not checked out' |
| 16:23 | wizzyrea | my librarians just came up with a pretty decent idea |
| 16:24 | so we have this problem in our consortium: one library has a "fan club" where they put 20 holds on a title for their patrons at the top of a new bestseller list | |
| 16:24 | er, title | |
| 16:24 | so the first 20 items available go to that library | |
| 16:24 | this pisses off the other libraries | |
| 16:24 | "why should their patrons get MY item first?" | |
| 16:24 | so the proposal | |
| 16:25 | is some kind of method to denote that a hold is for a book club | |
| 16:25 | and randomize it's priority | |
| 16:25 | so that it gets mixed up with the other holds | |
| 16:25 | which sounds to me like an insane programming problem | |
| 16:26 | and; | |
| 16:26 | apparently Sirsi already does this | |
| 16:26 | (so our sirsi library claims | |
| 16:26 | ) | |
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| 16:33 | chris_n | wizzyrea: does it follow, then, that randomization is the settlement to all arguments? ;-) |
| 16:34 | gmcharlt | who here rules their life by d20? ;) |
| 16:34 | wizzyrea | lulz |
| 16:34 | but we had another brilliant idea in kohakansas... | |
| 16:34 | what if | |
| 16:34 | instead of the *library* managing the fan club | |
| 16:34 | koha did? | |
| 16:34 | so a patron logs in | |
| 16:34 | says "I like james patterson" | |
| 16:34 | Colin | I think theres a weighting element to it as well not just random |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | so when a new title is added by james patterson that is marked "for liking by book clubs" |
| 16:35 | they get a hold placed | |
| 16:35 | and all patrons who like that, get a hold, in a randomized order | |
| 16:36 | and those who like an author get first dibs, because they are the heaviest users | |
| 16:38 | am I talking crazy talk? | |
| 16:39 | jwagner | wizzyrea, see Bug 4245 -- it's an expansion on Kyle Hall's original bestseller club feature |
| 16:39 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4245 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammersptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Bestseller's Club and email notifications |
| 16:40 | wizzyrea | wait... there's already a bestseller club thing? |
| 16:40 | how did I not know this >.>< | |
| 16:40 | jwagner | In the works.... |
| 16:40 | wizzyrea | jwagner++ I was not aware of that |
| 16:40 | spectacular | |
| 16:40 | johnindy | that is awesome! |
| 16:40 | jwagner | It's insanely complex to set up, but works well once it's in place. |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | I love it |
| 16:41 | spectacular, I'll report on that thanks | |
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| 16:43 | jwagner | owen's not on, is he :-( |
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| 16:44 | jwagner | I'm looking at a system which was upgrade from, say August of last year's code to mid-October. Something has crept into the area where the opacsmallimage goes, and I don't know where it came from. |
| 16:44 | Anyone recognize this: <a id="endpage"> _moz-rs-heading="" name="endpage"> </a> | |
| 16:45 | It has the effect of pushing the logo down in the masthead. If I take it out in firebug, the logo goes back to its proper place. | |
| 16:46 | wizzyrea | you know what I also want? a link to the OPAC from the staff client. |
| 16:46 | but that's easy | |
| 16:47 | joetho | hardcode it right in there. Make it a default. |
| 16:47 | jwagner | wizzyrea, filling in the OPACBaseURL syspref makes that happen, I think |
| 16:47 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 16:48 | jwagner | But won't work if you have separate OPAC URLs for your various sites. |
| 16:48 | wizzyrea | mm not working in current head |
| 16:48 | or maybe I don't know where to look | |
| 16:48 | no, this is a test server, only 1 opa | |
| 16:48 | opac* | |
| 16:49 | jwagner | In the admin group of sysprefs. If it's filled in, when you're in a staff record display, there should be a link to the OPAC for that record. I think. |
| 16:49 | wizzyrea | oh, I just meant a link to the front page of the opac |
| 16:50 | jwagner | Add it as a staff nav link |
| 16:50 | wizzyrea | http://screencast.com/t/ODliNjhmN2M |
| 16:50 | ? | |
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| 16:55 | jwagner | in the IntranetNav syspref, put in a <a href link |
| 16:55 | wizzyrea | OH. der. |
| 16:56 | schuster | or setup your browser to open two windows when it launches one staff one pac. |
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| 16:57 | * wizzyrea | mutters something about "sometimes I just want to click to the opac, dangit. |
| 16:57 | wizzyrea | ;) |
| 16:57 | * jwagner | mutters something about "sometimes I just want my PC to read my mind" :-) |
| 16:58 | wizzyrea | HAHA ^ agreed |
| 16:58 | I use a mac, it gets pretty close sometimes | |
| 16:59 | schuster | See told you she wasn't herself... wizzyrea - she is controlled by a MAC... |
| 16:59 | joetho | wizzyrea, I don't have an opac pref called "appearance" |
| 16:59 | wonder why THAT is | |
| 17:01 | wizzyrea | jwagner re: intranetnav: brilliant, thanks |
| 17:01 | that will HELP SO MUCH. | |
| 17:01 | but joetho does bring up an interesting issue | |
| 17:01 | joetho | opacbaseurl yes, but liz' screencast picture shows that under "appearance" and mine doesnm't |
| 17:01 | wizzyrea | why aren't all of the appearance prefs on their own tab... |
| 17:02 | oh, that's 3.2 joe | |
| 17:02 | new sysprefs editor | |
| 17:02 | joetho | 3.2 sysprefs |
| 17:02 | ahhh | |
| 17:03 | we are using v. -1.4 or something | |
| 17:03 | actually v.3.01.00.032 | |
| 17:03 | wizzyrea | http://screencast.com/t/ZWVmOTZkNmU |
| 17:04 | kmkale | anyone has run 3.2 with perl 5.8.8? |
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| 17:05 | kmkale | or master for that matter? |
| 17:05 | wizzyrea | hm. apparently intranet nav isn't following the nav styling |
| 17:05 | kmkale | i think thats where my weird make test problems are comiong from |
| 17:05 | wizzyrea | note the underline |
| 17:06 | 5.10.0 | |
| 17:06 | here | |
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| 17:09 | wizzyrea | ok, away again |
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| 17:17 | kmkale | good night all |
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| 17:29 | miguel | hi all |
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| 17:34 | miguel | I've investigated something about Cross Site Scripting security in koha, someone else? |
| 17:35 | gmcharlt | miguel: do you have a workup of the problem and/or a patch? |
| 17:35 | miguel | yes |
| 17:36 | both of them | |
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| 20:00 | CGI074 | hello folks. looking for SQL for a report for patron item reservation record. anyone have one? |
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| 20:07 | gmcharlt | not in under 60 seconds, evidently |
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| 20:12 | wizzyrea | lol, I always wonder why people do that |
| 20:12 | welp, no one's here, I've waited 30 seconds. | |
| 20:15 | * gmcharlt | kicks self for forgetting to restart the insta-help IRC bot |
| 20:15 | gmcharlt | oh |
| 20:15 | wait | |
| 20:15 | there's no such thing! | |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | just us fallible humans |
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| 20:20 | joetho | (fallible?) |
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| 20:44 | cait | hi |
| 20:45 | * chris | clocks in from work |
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| 20:47 | richard | hi |
| 20:49 | chris | cait: http://www.pro-linux.de/news/1[…]ngen-um-koha.html |
| 20:51 | cait | yes, read it :) |
| 20:51 | its not a lot different from the lwn article | |
| 20:51 | chris | yeah google translate did an ok job |
| 20:51 | if you wanted to comment | |
| 20:52 | you could point out that bit about not being able to trademark the word is a fallacy | |
| 20:52 | i wish it were true | |
| 20:52 | cait | fallacy? |
| 20:52 | chris | but TM exist for wine called Koha, Coffee/Tea called Koha, Jewellery called Koha |
| 20:52 | (a false belief) | |
| 20:53 | cait | ah ok |
| 20:53 | so its possible but in a specific context? | |
| 20:55 | indradg | chris, a quick question... was Koha a TM of Katipo? |
| 20:55 | chris | no |
| 20:55 | indradg | chris, that "no" is for me or cait ? |
| 20:56 | cait | I think for you indradg, but i m really near to sleep |
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| 20:56 | cait | came online to point chris to the German article (but he was faster :) ) |
| 20:56 | indradg | cait, lol... ok |
| 20:57 | chris | cait: yes to you |
| 20:57 | indradg: no to you ;) | |
| 20:57 | larsw | chris is very binary this morning :) |
| 20:57 | * gmcharlt | doubts that anybody is faster than chris' RSS bots |
| 20:57 | chris | heh |
| 20:57 | now i have my android phone, ull need to be even faster to beat me :) | |
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| 20:57 | cait | at least I was as fast as chris twice today ;) |
| 20:57 | indradg | chris, shouldn't then the use of Koha in case of certain ILS known to us, fall under prior art and existing vocab... and not be trademarkable? |
| 20:58 | * indradg | doesn't understands trademarks as good as patents and copyright issues |
| 20:59 | chris | you'd think so indradg |
| 20:59 | if the application is not withdrawn, and it is accepted, then we have 3 months to object, which we will do | |
| 20:59 | but it would be much better for everyone concerned if it never came to that | |
| 21:00 | indradg | chris, yeah... its like me trying to tm "man" :P |
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| 21:00 | larsw | it complicates matters that PTFS is applying for a trademark for the same software that has always existed under the name Koha |
| 21:00 | cait | was there any reaction from ptfs about the trademark? |
| 21:01 | larsw | indradg, "MAN" is a trademark, it's a (British?) company that makes trucks :) |
| 21:01 | chris | nothing public cait |
| 21:01 | cait | a reaction to the committee? |
| 21:01 | * larsw | is curious about chris's RSS use now |
| 21:02 | chris | i have a bunch of google searches, which have the results in rss form |
| 21:02 | larsw | ah |
| 21:02 | chris | it tends to find things pretty fast |
| 21:02 | larsw | it's good to have a fairly rare name for your project/product, helps with those searches :) |
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| 21:03 | chris | yeah, the main confusion is a japanese pop singer called koharu (shortened to koha a lot) |
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| 21:03 | chris | and Koha ditore an albanian (i think) newspaper |
| 21:04 | cait | this situation is terrible :( and when I see jwagner and jdavidb helping out here, sending patches, commenting bugs and all I feel sad to read all the bad talk about ptfs. |
| 21:04 | I know its not ok what they do, it just makes me sad | |
| 21:04 | because there is contribution to the project | |
| 21:04 | chris | the saddest bit is that it could be fixed in hours |
| 21:05 | cait | they = ptfs |
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| 21:06 | chris | im sure the people at ptfs are smart enough to do the right thing eventually |
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| 21:06 | chris | but the longer it takes, the longer it takes to heal |
| 21:06 | cait | perhaps we could make it easier, making sure the door is open |
| 21:06 | chris | its never been closed |
| 21:06 | joetho | to clarify- is the NZ trademark application initiated by PTFS, or an individual? |
| 21:07 | chris | it was initiated by liblime, subsequently bought by PTFS |
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| 21:08 | joetho | so the term "liblime" actually appears on the application? |
| 21:08 | chris | it certainly does |
| 21:08 | joetho | just curious |
| 21:08 | chris | no person names appear at all |
| 21:12 | gmcharlt | joetho: Metavore, actually |
| 21:12 | but same effect | |
| 21:13 | chris | yeah Metavore DBA Liblime |
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| 21:22 | larsw | http://files.liw.fi/temp/ptfs-tm-analysis.png -- that's my analysis of the NZ TM situation; sorry about the PNG, but I suck at drawing and a whiteboard is easier than computers |
| 21:24 | chris | i think thats it in a nutshell, which is why im sure ptfs will withdraw it |
| 21:25 | and a new developer to add to the history yay | |
| 21:33 | cait | :) |
| 21:33 | good night #koha! | |
| 21:33 | chris | night |
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| 21:37 | * brendan | heads out to drive over the mountains on his way home 6000 feet here I come.... |
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| 21:41 | hdl_laptop | good night all |
| 21:41 | chris | night hdl_laptop |
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| 22:05 | * chris_n | gets back in time to see everyone leave :) |
| 22:10 | chris | heh |
| 22:23 | rhcl | rhcl likes larsw's drawing. Makes things clear. |
| 22:25 | larsw | thanks |
| 22:25 | rhcl is now known as rhcl_wayaway | |
| 22:31 | chris | http://www.flickr.com/photos/d[…]solis/4520024767/ |
| 22:31 | francois at work pointed me to this | |
| 22:34 | larsw | heh, so true |
| 22:41 | chris | gmcharlt: you about? |
| 22:42 | or anyone for that matter | |
| 22:42 | on the borrowers page we have a tab called 'Fines' | |
| 22:42 | i would like to rename that to 'Charges' | |
| 22:42 | because a lot of the time it is not fines at all, but rental charges or some other thing | |
| 22:43 | might send an email to the list about it | |
| 22:43 | richard | charges sounds like a better catch-all |
| 22:45 | * chris | sends email to koha-devel |
| 23:12 | * chris_n | votes for ^^ |
| 23:21 | larsw | I don't vote for it, since I don't know enough of the context, but on the surface it sounds like an obviously correct thing to do |
| 23:22 | chris | yeah if no one gives a good reason otherwise by monday its done |
| 23:23 | after all, git revert can undo it :) | |
| 23:24 | larsw | it's as if git was invented to make that kind of thing easy |
| 23:28 | gmcharlt | chris: one of those things where terminology can overlap |
| 23:28 | in some libraries 'charges' means 'checkouts' | |
| 23:28 | chris | seriously? |
| 23:28 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 23:28 | chris | dang |
| 23:28 | how about 'money stuff' | |
| 23:28 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 23:29 | how about fees? | |
| 23:29 | chris | ohh fees would work |
| 23:29 | * larsw | was going to suggest "financial instruments and transactions related to customers" but "fees" sounds better |
| 23:29 | chris | heh |
| 23:30 | * chris | will send a follow up email |
| 23:30 | chris | oh you already did |
| 23:30 | :) | |
| 23:33 | gmcharlt | "Involuntary Donations" |
| 23:33 | "Things you must be or else be redirected to librarypolice.com"? | |
| 23:33 | chris | :) |
| 23:34 | larsw | "All your buck is belong to libs (they wish)" |
| 23:35 | gmcharlt | "Our books or your money!" |
| 23:35 | larsw | hah, I like that |
| 23:53 | chris_n | lol |
| 23:54 | * chris_n | thinks adding a credit card processing module to koha might fit right into this line of thought |
| 23:57 | chris | well a gateway to processing sites |
| 23:57 | dont want to handle credit cards | |
| 23:58 | but hand it off to a site then get the result back would be good |
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