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01:23 | wajasu | tryin to run koha-dev (i.e. koha git), did make, test, install and now trying to configure httpd vhost, but getting forbidden. |
01:23 | i'm pre-webinstaller | |
01:24 | if my DocumentRoot files are not owned by root in the koha git that I pulled, could that be why I get Forbidden access via the httpd vhost? | |
01:36 | masonj | yeah, i think so |
01:37 | brendan | hey masonj |
01:38 | do dates need to be zero padded for bulkmarcimport.pl ? | |
01:38 | I think I've just always ignored that... :) | |
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02:27 | chris_n | g'evening |
02:56 | irmalibraries | Hi all...just coming to hang out a little |
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03:19 | wajasu | when you run a koha git dev setup, do you run make as the non-root user that you pulled git with? I need my httpd virtual host config to have permission to read/write /home/USER/kohagit any suggestions? |
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04:06 | chris_n | wajasu: I usually runn make as the user I develop with |
04:06 | or on production boxes as my kohauser | |
04:07 | heya Amit_G | |
04:07 | Amit_G | heya chris_n |
04:20 | wajasu | figured it out. my /home/USER was drwx------ so it prevented me form walking the directory ad httpd. so i did chmod go+rx /home/USER |
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04:56 | wajasu | ok i'm running via git. |
04:57 | nicer perferences editor. | |
04:57 | save all is nice. some ajax in there too? :) | |
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05:12 | Nouman | Good morning |
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07:02 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
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07:25 | Genji | hiya all. wooops! by accident, in a marc to mysql table script, i left in a ModMarcBiblio... didn't modify the $record that Getmarcbiblio sent... just did modmarcbiblio on it..... with the correct biblionumber and framework.... so... no data lost? |
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07:36 | * magnus | listens closely for the sound of bugs being squashed... |
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09:02 | Genji | hiya... can i use the same install of koha (same perl files, different template directory), with an altered koha-conf.xml and have another koha running? |
09:04 | magnus | Genji: not quite that simple, i'm afraid... |
09:04 | i think the best thing to do is to have a dev install, and then choose different locations to install into | |
09:05 | that way zebra can store it's files in different locations without too much of a problem | |
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09:16 | Ropuch | sample_budgets are out of head install? |
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09:18 | Ropuch | I don't know if i should close bug 3866 |
09:18 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3866 minor, P4, ---, henridamienkoha-fr.org, NEW, Errror in sample_budgets.sql |
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12:08 | Ropuch | Hi nengard |
12:08 | nengard | hiya |
12:08 | how's the squashing going?? :) | |
12:09 | Ropuch | Actually channel is abnormally quiet today |
12:10 | Nobody said anything since I asked my questiion 3 hours ago | |
12:12 | nengard | yikes |
12:12 | time to tweet :) | |
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12:25 | magnus | let's hope it's quiet because everyone is busy squashing bugs ;-) |
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13:04 | chris_n | *yawn* |
13:04 | g'morning #koha | |
13:05 | Ropuch | Hi chris_n |
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13:36 | * owen | brought my stomping boots, but is helping interview catalogers later today |
13:37 | schuster | Ooooo what a cheery uplifting experience catalogers are always so full of life. ...;) |
13:38 | owen | They are now. It's later that we'll crush their spirit |
13:38 | schuster | Ask them the really good questions... So have you implemented FRBR before? |
13:39 | How would you implement RDA in an opensource environment. | |
13:39 | Or throw them way off... We've decided to do away with Dewey and use the Owenian shelving scheme and ask them if they have heard of it... | |
13:40 | owen | We actually have a question about FRBR and RDA on our list. I think it got put on their just so we could see their "deer in headlights" look |
13:40 | Geeze I'm having real grammar fails this morning. Gotta warm up my fingers a little. | |
13:40 | schuster | Yep that's how we all are I think... speaking of - who is the best person in the community with MARC framework? |
13:41 | owen | thd-away actually designed the MARC structures themselves I think, not sure who is best with the implementation |
13:41 | Probably gmcharlt | |
13:41 | schuster | owen - I've started playing with a kids interface and in a not to distant future will want someone - "you" to tell me what doesn't work or needs to be changed to keep it more in the community way. |
13:42 | I've decided to implement cookies as that can set the location and possibly other limits as the library needs. Any concerns there right off? | |
13:43 | owen | Not based on that information |
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13:44 | schuster | OK I should have a basic structure in a couple of weeks. There are a couple of things that may be odd, ie once the items actually display and getting back to the kids interface where they went into the standard interface. |
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13:52 | owen | Hi sekjal |
13:53 | gmcharlt | schuster: implementing RDA? |
13:53 | good question! :) | |
13:53 | sekjal | morning, owen |
13:54 | gmcharlt | but as an initial step, there are some additional MARC21 tags that were added to support RDA fields |
13:54 | so initially, just means extending the MARC framework | |
13:55 | however, that's truly minimal - if Karen Coyle and others have their way, RDA would be an opportunity to change rather a lot about how cataloging metadata gets exchanged | |
13:56 | * owen | pictures this Karen Coyle commanding a base inside a volcano in the Pacific |
13:58 | owen | Anyone else run into this before? http://screencast.com/t/MDg3ZGZhYTAt |
13:59 | It happened after I turned XSLT on for OPAC results | |
13:59 | gmcharlt | it probably means that there's a syntax error in the stylesheet or that it's not findingit |
14:02 | owen | gmcharlt: It was working just 5 minutes ago, no changes to any files |
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14:12 | owen | Hm, the OPAC error log says "opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value in string eq at kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl line 508" |
14:15 | * paul_p | happy to announce that toins will be back to koha coding in the next few days ! |
14:15 | paul_p | (part time for instance) |
14:23 | nengard | k - got a webinar to teach - be back later |
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14:29 | owen | Aha... OPAC XSLT results will not appear unless the XSLTResultsDisplay (*not* the OPACXSLTResultsDisplay ) preference is set |
14:30 | gmcharlt | bug, then |
14:31 | owen | Better a bug than insanity on the part of the user |
14:38 | jdavidb | Delusional insanity is usually treatable, owen, except...oh..wait.. |
14:38 | * jdavidb | thinks of several people he knows in the library industry. |
14:38 | jdavidb | Nevermind. Bugs are easier. |
14:40 | wajasu | running koha git. configured defaultClassificationSource as lcc (not dewey decimal). When I go to add an item, the 942 field doesn't default to it, and I have to select lcc (library of congress classification). Is that correct? |
14:43 | chris_n | a cool feature would be to have Koha generate bibliographic entries according to one's favorite formatting flavor (MLA, Chicago, etc) from lists |
14:43 | wajasu | That when adding the biblio part. after the save, then the actual item does default correctly to lcc. |
14:43 | sekjal | chris_n: agreed. |
14:43 | wajasu | but that might be because of my selecting lcc |
14:44 | * chris_n | was inspired by owen's post to David Bucknell |
14:44 | chris_n | I can think of a boat-load of students who would be eternally grateful for such a feature |
14:45 | sekjal | chris_n: it probably wouldn't be that technically difficult to do, once you had the profiles for the citation formats. |
14:46 | you may even be able to reverse it: take in a citation in MLA (let's say) in a text box, and have Koha tell you whether you have it or not | |
14:46 | chris_n | sekjal: yup... some sort of simple parser to do marc2foo |
14:51 | sekjal | the real trick would be if we could get Koha to parse arbitrary citations (where the formatting could be weird/wrong). saw something about doing that at Code4Lib last year... |
15:02 | * chris_n | will add an enhancement req for it |
15:06 | schuster | hmmm it already works with Zotero so it has the basics to pass...??? |
15:06 | wizzyrea | so... I think I've found a condition where fast server = mucked holds |
15:06 | esp if you have a very active DB | |
15:06 | chris_n | schuster: is that re: form and style? |
15:07 | owen | What kind of mucked holds wizzyrea ? |
15:07 | wizzyrea | I need help proving it, I've got evidence but no hard data |
15:07 | the kind you see: weird priorities, first available above only item, duplicate items sent to fill the same hold | |
15:07 | owen | We've got all that! |
15:08 | wizzyrea | and mostly on very hot titles |
15:08 | right? | |
15:08 | owen | I don't know that it's limited to hot titles or not, but I've definitely seen it on hit titles. |
15:09 | wizzyrea | so here's my theory (well, it's aided by other, bigger brains than mine, I just connected the dots) |
15:10 | our problems got a lot worse after we were migrated to a much higher performance server | |
15:11 | where pretty much everything is held in RAM, transactions are super fast | |
15:11 | so imagine if you will the following scenario | |
15:11 | owen | Oh my god, holds are traveling back and forth through time! |
15:12 | wizzyrea | you have a bib with 40 items (HAHAHA owen...) |
15:12 | you have 31 libraries | |
15:12 | you have every library picking holds/processing the return bin all at the same time | |
15:12 | library 1 and library 2 pull the same title at the same time | |
15:12 | check it in | |
15:13 | what should happen is that there should be some queuing right then, but I don't think there is | |
15:13 | I think if they are close to simultaneous, you can get the different items assigned to the same targe | |
15:13 | t | |
15:14 | and any other wierd manipulation of the queue list for a title you can think of | |
15:14 | so, say an item is checked in and a hold is deleted close to simultaneously | |
15:14 | am I out of my mind? | |
15:14 | it sort of explains everything | |
15:15 | so... it's not explicitly the code, if that makes sense | |
15:15 | owen | It sounds like it might explain the duplicate consigned items, but I don't think it can explain the multiple priority ones and the weirdly high priority numbers |
15:17 | wizzyrea | but what if you have 4 different operations working on the same bib at the same time? |
15:17 | seems to me like that's a recipe for queer behavior | |
15:18 | all advancing/editing/changing status of items | |
15:19 | sekjal | wizzyrea: sounds like a theory worth investigating |
15:19 | owen | I suppose you could test by checking in two copies of an on-hold item simultaneously on two workstations |
15:20 | Synchronized circ | |
15:20 | sekjal | owen: the latest Library Olympics game! |
15:21 | wizzyrea | hehe |
15:22 | schuster | I have not played with Zotero much lately... I know nengard knows it quite well. what are you asking form and style? |
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15:23 | wizzyrea | yea, that's my problem, I don't know how best to test it |
15:25 | 1. I don't have a super fast epic machine that can hold all of mysql in RAM 2. how exactly do you emulate 31 libraries processing items simultaneously | |
15:25 | my creativity is failing me here | |
15:29 | sekjal | when I was looking at holds a couple weeks ago, there were a couple bad calls in Reserves.pm to _FixPriority(). |
15:29 | gmcharlt | I think wizzyrea has been testing fixes to that, but it didn't help completely |
15:30 | sekjal | gmcharlt: ah, okay, I lost track of where we were with that |
15:32 | wizzyrea | not completely :/ |
15:32 | our situation is... this really started happening in earnest when we were moved to this high memory instance | |
15:32 | our problems | |
15:32 | and this is on OLD code | |
15:32 | not even the new stuff | |
15:33 | I mean, for load testing we have a pretty good production setup | |
15:35 | nothing like a bunch of users to mess things up :_ | |
15:35 | :) | |
15:35 | (I love our librarians, they're smart and capable and wonderful. They give the best problem reports) | |
15:35 | (even though we hate getting problem reports | |
15:35 | ) | |
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15:42 | owen | wizzyrea: FWIW, I tried doing a simultaneous checkin of two copies of an on-hold title |
15:42 | wizzyrea | anything? |
15:42 | or it worked right | |
15:42 | wajasu | thinks it would be nice to have a call number creation helper when adding a new biblio/item according to the default classification rules. (i.e. lcc) |
15:43 | owen | I did get matching "hold found" messages, but nothing out of the ordinary even after confirming simultaneously |
15:43 | wizzyrea | wait wait |
15:43 | wajasu | maybe with the virtual shelves as well |
15:43 | wizzyrea | ok |
15:43 | you got IDENTICAL hold found messages? | |
15:43 | what happens if you accept and transfer both | |
15:43 | so did one of them error out? | |
15:43 | what are the statuses like? | |
15:43 | owen | Only one got allocated. |
15:44 | wizzyrea | but you could print slip and transfer |
15:45 | for bnoyth | |
15:45 | both | |
15:45 | so as a staff member | |
15:45 | you see that message | |
15:45 | and you act | |
15:45 | owen | Right, so it would explain why an item would get sent and then get no message upon check-in. |
15:45 | wizzyrea | ok, so that's a good thing to know |
15:46 | what version do you have owen? | |
15:46 | owen | 3.01.00.061 |
15:47 | wizzyrea | so you're a little bit ahead of me |
15:47 | 30ish DB revisions | |
15:47 | owen | I suppose the next time one of your librarians received a book with a hold slip which didn't prompt them for any hold you could check the statistics table for when that item was last checked in, see if another of that biblio's items was checked in at the same time |
15:48 | Kind of tedious, but... | |
15:54 | wizzyrea | hmm true |
15:56 | owen | I'm not sure how you would solve the problem... Add some kind of logic to the hold confirmation process to warn the user if that hold had already been filled? |
15:57 | * paul_p | apologize not to be with you for this squashing session, but with my home being robbed, i'm tired & many sleeping hours late :'( |
15:57 | owen | What a terrible thing to experience paul_p! :( |
15:58 | paul_p | owen: true. |
15:59 | gmcharlt | paul_p: I'm sorry to hear that |
16:06 | wajasu | using the koha git, and staging my 16000 marc records, when its done, it returns all 16000 on page 1, but chunks for latter pages numbers. that changed from 3.0x? 16000 on the resulting page is maybe too big? |
16:06 | brendan | sorry to hear that paul_p |
16:06 | best of luck to you | |
16:14 | chris_n | sorry paul_p |
16:15 | * chris_n | hopes they catch the scoundrels |
16:16 | paul_p | chris_n: The scientific police has found 3 fingerprints on the window they broke to enter, so maybe... |
16:18 | just for fun : here in France, the "NCIS" tv series is quite famous. Our 2 oldest boys were expecting someone like on the TV coming. They were disappointed to see a single person, completly common, without any sign or tee-shirt, or gun,... :D | |
16:20 | owen | paul_p: If they were a little older they'd be wishing it was the Abby character who visited ;) |
16:20 | wizzyrea | owen: I don't know what the code looks like for holds, so i'm speculating wildly on this |
16:21 | paul_p | owen: Simon (almost 15) like Abby, but is not really a gothic fan ;) |
16:21 | * wizzyrea | flaisl her arms |
16:21 | wizzyrea | flails even. |
16:21 | but what about this | |
16:21 | owen | It's hard to type when you're flailing |
16:21 | wizzyrea | instead of waiting for the user to say "yes, confirm this" |
16:21 | confirm by default, then UN do if the hold is denied by the user | |
16:22 | so, the moment it pops you a message | |
16:22 | it should say "print slip" | |
16:22 | or ignore | |
16:22 | paul_p | wizzyrea: nicomo already asked for this (it's gmail behaviour). But it's VERY complex to implement in fact. really |
16:22 | wizzyrea | i believe it |
16:23 | but... ahem... other ILS's don't have this problem :( | |
16:24 | nicomo | wizzyrea: it seems you and I and many others have expectations biased by the Google Gods |
16:25 | wizzyrea | nicomo: I have an expectation that when 2 items are checked in at the same time for a hold, only one of them has the option to print slip and transfer |
16:25 | :) | |
16:25 | nicomo | see, just what I was saying |
16:25 | ;-) | |
16:25 | wizzyrea | lol, so how does google do it >.. |
16:25 | >.> | |
16:25 | how DO they DO IT | |
16:25 | :D | |
16:26 | * wizzyrea | made herself laugh |
16:26 | nicomo | which is always good, to a point... don't scare your co-workers though |
16:27 | wizzyrea | lol they're used to me giggling at virtual things |
16:28 | what I'm saying is that the moment an item is checked in, if it is to fill a hold, it needs to lock it's item rightthen, until the user decides what to do | |
16:29 | flip a bit saying "in process" or something | |
16:29 | or waiting user | |
16:29 | nicomo | +1 |
16:29 | owen | wizzyrea: But think about the simultaneous check-in scenario: |
16:30 | One item gets allocated for the priority 1 patron | |
16:30 | The other item gets allocated for the priority 2 patron. | |
16:30 | wizzyrea | the user with the dupe would get another message saying "check this item in again, that item is not available" |
16:30 | owen | The first item gets its allocation cancelled |
16:30 | wizzyrea | or that hold isn't available, I mean |
16:31 | owen | That's assuming there is only one hold |
16:31 | wizzyrea | flip the bit back to "ready" |
16:31 | you have ready for hold, and waiting user | |
16:32 | basically, if there is a wait status (a message on the screen) the item should be unavailable to all other clients | |
16:33 | other clients are free to pick from any other item to fill holds, just not that one | |
16:33 | (or any with wait messages) | |
16:33 | i know, it's impossible to implement | |
16:33 | nicomo | holds give me headaches, to tell you the truth |
16:34 | wizzyrea | they give everybody headaches |
16:34 | owen | ditto |
16:34 | nicomo | really? Now I feel better already |
16:34 | :-) | |
16:34 | wizzyrea | :) |
16:35 | nicomo | wizzyrea: I see your point, but I'd say you need to really think it through; with holds, sideeffects happen really quickly |
16:35 | wizzyrea | ok, so barring a technical fix (which I contend will *have* to be done sooner rather than later) -- how do you mitigate this problem? |
16:35 | hehe, yea, we've noticed that | |
16:37 | I mean, with 31 (soon to be 33) libraries, all open between 8am and 8pm, how do we reduce the number of times a duplicate item is sent to fill any given hold? | |
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16:41 | nicomo | wizzyrea: such a good question everyone went silent |
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16:42 | wizzyrea | the chances of items from the same bib getting scanned in our system is alarmingly high |
16:43 | (that is to say, it happens daily) | |
16:46 | gmcharlt | and patrons have an annoying habit of all wanting the Harry Potter du jour ;) |
16:46 | wizzyrea | yea, and it really sucks to have a popular title out of commission because of a dupe hold :( |
16:46 | er, dupe transit | |
16:47 | takes an item out of circulation for at least 3-4 days while it's finding it's way to it's next proper location | |
16:47 | (assuming that it's not chain-duped, of course) | |
16:48 | schuster | I have forced copy specific holds - and people are using our webself check option but holds continue to pop up that should be copy specific so there may be something else yet amiss. |
16:48 | The pop up says this title is on hold for... but it can't be as it was a copy specific request. | |
16:49 | wizzyrea | that sounds like human error to me -- where someone placed a title level hold by accident |
16:49 | oh wait you said you disallowed that | |
16:49 | never mind | |
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17:28 | schuster | Very odd thing... I have a title Polio - Hecht - that on the bib display has one item on it - but in the summary display has 5... What's wrong with this picture? |
17:28 | When I edit the record there is only one item but when I search by barcode for an item that isn't displayed it brings up this bib...??? | |
17:29 | catalog.pisd.edu - search polio and then look for the one by hecht | |
17:30 | wizzyrea | schuster: almost every time I've had a funky display like that flipping the framework for the bib helped (it rewrites the record). you can then flip it back to whatever framework it was originally. |
17:32 | schuster | hmmm reindex required? |
17:33 | wizzyrea | I don't think so, but I don't know for sure |
17:33 | schuster | I've got a log in with our support company to see what they say. |
17:33 | wizzyrea | (and that hasn't fixed every one of them, some we had to have help with, and they didn't tell us what they did) |
17:34 | schuster | that was helpful... |
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17:34 | owen | It was probably a proprietary process |
17:44 | schuster | my proprietary data... ;) |
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19:26 | magnus | um, shouldn't the value of a syspref with type = YesNo be either 1 or 0? |
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19:33 | magnus | if so, i'm either missing something or there is something wrong with the booleans in the .pref-files: http://koha.pastebin.com/mTFYerLT |
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19:36 | jdavidb | That first select you did, magnus, returned 62 "0" and 90 "1" values, on one of my test instances, but it's not at 3.2A |
19:37 | magnus | thanks, jdavidb - it looks like the most instersting question is if you have changed any prefs with the new syspref editor? |
19:38 | jdavidb | On a 3.2A, I get 1 NULL, 90 "0" and 54 "1" values. |
19:38 | I haven't, but the 3.2A box is jwagner's sandbox, not mine. She *might* have. | |
19:39 | magnus | could you try and change something and then change it back and do the sql again? |
19:39 | jdavidb | Sure, just a moment. |
19:41 | Same result; I checked to make sure I had dinked a YesNo-defined var, too. | |
19:42 | TagsModeration is my NULL one. | |
19:42 | magnus | hm, strange! |
19:43 | jdavidb | sysprefs.sql defined it that way; this is a fresh installation. (or was, when I did it.) |
19:44 | Probably want to patch that to make it zero by default, rather than NULL, just for tidiness' sake. | |
19:44 | nengard | hi all - i need at least one more koha tip article and one more article with news from a koha library - any takers?? |
19:45 | * jdavidb | heard "koha tip article" and couldn't help thinking, "if you stand a Koha server on the smallest side, it will tip over more easily." |
19:45 | nengard | goofy boy |
19:45 | jdavidb | :P |
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20:10 | magnus | hm, looks like my yes/no/1/0 problem only happens when i have selected norwegian as the language for the staff client, not when i have selected english... |
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20:12 | psychokiller | hi |
20:12 | i've been trying to find someone to help me with installation for koha | |
20:13 | is anybody kind to do so ? | |
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20:19 | owen | What's causing you trouble psychokiller? |
20:19 | psychokiller | nobody ? |
20:19 | i have installed Ubuntu server | |
20:19 | are you willing to help ? | |
20:20 | so should i change to Ubuntu ? | |
20:20 | ACtually i installed Ubuntu server in a virtual box in Ubuntu 9.10 | |
20:20 | owen | Where are you running into trouble? |
20:21 | psychokiller | ill tell you all about it when i switch to ubuntu in 2 minutes |
20:21 | brb | |
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20:21 | rhcl | well |
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20:28 | psychokiller | hey owen |
20:28 | im in Ubuntu now | |
20:28 | i have some problem i think with Perl | |
20:28 | cant install it | |
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20:29 | psychokiller | i think i i didnt go beyond 1.6 |
20:30 | * owen | thought Ubuntu had Perl by default |
20:30 | psychokiller | it has ? |
20:30 | but the install txt | |
20:30 | says to install it | |
20:31 | * owen | has only installed Koha from scratch a couple of times, could be wrong |
20:31 | rhcl | If you do >perl -version, from a console, it shows perl is not installed? |
20:31 | psychokiller | that is a normal Ubuntu ? |
20:31 | sorry but don't i have to insTALL koha | |
20:31 | on a UBuntu SERVER ? | |
20:32 | instead of plain desktop Ubuntu ? | |
20:32 | owen | You can install on Ubuntu Desktop if you want to |
20:32 | That's what I test Koha on. | |
20:32 | psychokiller | i can ? |
20:32 | anyway perl is on Ubuntu server | |
20:33 | but what is the STEP-By-step procedure ? | |
20:33 | in plain english | |
20:34 | Ropuch | blazingmoon |
20:35 | http://www.blazingmoon.org/gui[…]k3-on-u810-1.html | |
20:36 | psychokiller | i have 9.10 instead of 8.10 |
20:36 | nengard | wizzyrea around? |
20:36 | schuster | How can I test Z39.50? My test/production connection to MarcEdit keep kicking me that it isn't available. |
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20:37 | Ropuch | psychokiller I have step-by-step copy/paste guide to ubuntu 9.10, but it's in polish |
20:38 | psychokiller | polish ? |
20:38 | Ropuch | You can always try google translate |
20:38 | psychokiller | can i googletranslate it ? |
20:38 | oh yes | |
20:38 | Ropuch | http://bagno.be/poradniki/instalacja-koha/ |
20:38 | psychokiller | long live the Pope |
20:39 | Ropuch | As it's meant to be copy & paste guide For My Mom, even poor translation should be good ;> |
20:39 | psychokiller | did your mon install it ? |
20:40 | Ropuch | Not yet, but I'm gonna make her do it when I;m at home finally ;> |
20:41 | psychokiller | thats in Warsaw ? |
20:41 | Ropuch | I wanted to give oportunity to trykoha to polish average librarian Jane without technical knowledge |
20:41 | Warsaw is our capital, I live in Wroclaw, my parents in Piotrkow Trybunalski, about 150km from Warsaw | |
20:41 | psychokiller | thats less than 2 hours away ! |
20:42 | dont complain | |
20:42 | wizzyrea | did you come here to help, or to insult us? |
20:42 | s/to/for | |
20:42 | psychokiller | me ? |
20:42 | i came to BE HELPED | |
20:42 | lol | |
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20:43 | Ropuch | psychokiller: I'm not complaing, just answering your question :) |
20:43 | Hi wizzyrea | |
20:44 | joetho | schuster: see pm |
20:45 | Ropuch | Anyway: in this guide I'm using standard Ubuntu desktop install, but I believe any missing dependencies will be installed by apt |
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20:49 | owen | psychokiller: I would imagine the web it full of Ubuntu install guides which cover installing Apache, Perl and MySQL. I somehow managed it. |
20:49 | psychokiller | thats not my problem |
20:49 | owen | If google translate does a bad job on Ropuch's guide you could do some searching |
20:49 | psychokiller | i have installed XAMP |
20:49 | and other | |
20:50 | im installing the polish one | |
20:50 | owen | I would recommend installing things the Ubuntu way rather than XAMP. |
20:51 | wajasu | running koha via git. I can't seem to figure out how to print a barcode label. by what link/path? |
20:51 | owen | wajasu: Tools -> Label creator |
20:51 | schuster | do you have the quick spinelabel option turned on in cataloging syspref? |
20:51 | wajasu | new batch? |
20:52 | i did do a quick spine label. (no barcode) | |
20:53 | Ropuch | owen: i started by writing guide hot to install & configure VirtualBox on Windows and then Ubuntu inside it |
20:53 | wajasu | i see. add batch, they search and select |
20:56 | i'm running schroot, with aufs (arch32 --> koha perl --> kohagit stacked via aufs). Its fast and less disk space. Now I have a schroot aufs stack with archlinux64 --> koha perl -->kohagit. | |
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21:00 | wajasu | ok. i see select a batch and export to pdf |
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21:19 | psychokiller | inserting this |
21:19 | sudo echo "grant all on koha.* to \'kohaadmin\'@\'localhost\' identified by \'katikoan\';" | mysql -uroot -p | |
21:19 | i get this answer | |
21:19 | ERROR at line 1: Unknown command '\''. | |
21:20 | owen | Have you tried logging in to mysql directly and trying the "grant all" from there? |
21:21 | psychokiller | no |
21:21 | i removed the \ s | |
21:21 | and it seems it worked | |
21:21 | Ropuch | psychokiller: remove \ |
21:21 | oh | |
21:21 | :) | |
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21:23 | psychokiller | im going on |
21:23 | and on | |
21:24 | Ropuch | Installing perl modules? |
21:26 | psychokiller | yes |
21:26 | done that | |
21:28 | Ropuch | Hope the guide is useful |
21:31 | psychokiller | it is up to now ! |
21:31 | ill tell you if it goes smoothly in a while | |
21:32 | so how is Poland this year ? | |
21:32 | still hating the Russians ? | |
21:32 | Ropuch | hehe |
21:32 | Some people do, some don't, some don't care | |
21:32 | ;> | |
21:33 | psychokiller | yes but 'officialy' you have to hate Russians ? don't you ? |
21:33 | Ropuch | Lol, no |
21:33 | psychokiller | come on ... that's what they teach you in school |
21:33 | Ropuch | 20 years ago we 'officialy' had to love them |
21:33 | psychokiller | in history lessons |
21:33 | well not russians per se | |
21:34 | that was the CCCP | |
21:34 | Ropuch | psychokiller: I must have ben reading another books |
21:34 | psychokiller | it was Lenin after all who was the first statesman to claim that the 3rd partition was null! |
21:34 | come on now guys | |
21:34 | he did it | |
21:35 | ok i admit he made a wrong invasion in 1920-21 | |
21:35 | but he laid the ground for polish independence | |
21:35 | Ropuch | We have different definitions of 'independence' then |
21:36 | joethoks_away | GO PSYCHOKILLER GO |
21:36 | jk | |
21:36 | Ropuch | But I still don't hate russians :) |
21:36 | psychokiller | you're polish you hate Russian by definition |
21:36 | lol | |
21:37 | joethoks_away | now now now. |
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21:37 | joethoks_away | That would be an american phrase, meaning "get back to being productive and happy" |
21:37 | Ropuch | Yea, yea, I;m polish, which mean I'm drunkard and stealing cars in Germany is job, i hate russians, eat only sausage, drinks wodka instead of morning coffee |
21:37 | joethoks_away | See how easy that was? |
21:37 | Thank you. | |
21:38 | Ropuch | :) |
21:38 | psychokiller | no actually i know only ONE stereotype for Poles |
21:38 | that is THEY HATE RUSSIANS | |
21:38 | dont know much... | |
21:38 | lol | |
21:38 | Ropuch | Oh, that's quite light-stereotypes |
21:39 | psychokiller | so Poles are stealing cars in Germany ? |
21:39 | never heard of that I thought Greeks where doing that | |
21:39 | *were | |
21:39 | Ropuch | Being accused of hatingrussians is not that bad comparedto being perceived as filthy barrbarin drunk thief ;> |
21:39 | Well | |
21:40 | psychokiller | are poles going to Germany ? |
21:40 | joethoks_away | <---clears throat, loudly |
21:40 | Ropuch | ;> |
21:40 | psychokiller | have they surpassed the greek and the turkish community there ? |
21:40 | Ropuch | psychokiller: dunno actually |
21:41 | Once I've read some german joke" "Visit Poland during holiday, your car is already there" | |
21:42 | psychokiller | ha |
21:42 | Ropuch | ha |
21:42 | psychokiller | that's just racist jokes |
21:43 | we have same jokes for Albanians here | |
21:43 | dont like em | |
21:43 | actually i would rather beat some asses of those who spread em | |
21:43 | well actually the fucking germans shouldn complain to much | |
21:43 | as they start a war every 30 years | |
21:44 | sorry about that... | |
21:44 | Ropuch | But if I came to your country and I'll get a job and will be working hard, be good neighbour you don't say" "poles are good and hard working people"; if I'' go to your countryand rob your houes, you'll probably generalize" poles are thieves" ;> |
21:44 | psychokiller | I wouldnt do that |
21:44 | Ropuch | psychokiller: let's cut ther discussion here |
21:44 | richard | careful psychokiller, there are people from nationalities here |
21:44 | psychokiller | ok |
21:44 | sorry | |
21:44 | Ropuch | This channel is not about nation steretypes and hatred |
21:45 | psychokiller | sorry |
21:45 | i apologize | |
21:45 | joethoks_away | Correct. Change subject back to Koha please. |
21:45 | Ropuch | Besides - like richard said - we have people from all around the world |
21:45 | Anyway, psychokiller, how is your Koha install? | |
21:46 | psychokiller | well it seems i have reached a stupid step |
21:46 | the one of downloading koha itself | |
21:46 | which i already have | |
21:46 | so im waiting .... | |
21:47 | wget http://download.koha.org/koha-3.00.05.tar.gz | |
21:47 | im in this step | |
21:47 | but oh well that is pointless | |
21:47 | because i already have the .gz thing | |
21:47 | can i abort it from the console ? | |
21:47 | Ropuch | So you can skip it and proceed to next step |
21:47 | ctr+c | |
21:54 | psychokiller | ooops |
21:54 | perl Makefile.PL | |
21:54 | i get this | |
21:54 | Can't open perl script "Makefile.PL": No such file or directory | |
21:55 | Ropuch | Oh |
21:55 | cd koha-3.00.05 | |
21:55 | and than perl Makefile.PL | |
21:55 | It was second part of step you skipped | |
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22:00 | psychokiller | ha |
22:00 | you've written this ? | |
22:00 | "Probably already drank tea" | |
22:01 | well not Tea exactly | |
22:01 | lol | |
22:01 | Ropuch | That was written by uncle google, but yes, the comments are mine ;> |
22:02 | I didn't want to write another technical install guide, my comments were meant to encourage people to proceed with install | |
22:03 | psychokiller | no no i was commenting about the Tea par |
22:03 | t | |
22:03 | Ropuch | I'm yet to find out if this approach is working |
22:03 | psychokiller | Ropuch |
22:04 | i just entered | |
22:04 | sudo make install | |
22:04 | Instalujemy sudo make install Trochę to trwało, ale jesteśmy juz prawie przy końcu. | |
22:04 | and got this | |
22:04 | as a response | |
22:05 | /usr/bin/perl "-Iblib/arch" "-Iblib/lib" fix-perl-path.PL blib | |
22:05 | /usr/bin/perl "-Iblib/arch" "-Iblib/lib" rewrite-config.PL blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml | |
22:05 | Can't open blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml for read at rewrite-config.PL line 172. | |
22:05 | make: *** [blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml] Error 2 | |
22:05 | is the error 2 OK ? | |
22:05 | or not | |
22:05 | ? | |
22:05 | Ropuch | Strange |
22:06 | psychokiller | yes ? |
22:06 | Ropuch | 23:04 < psychokiller> Instalujemy sudo make install Troch� to trwa�o, ale jeste�my juz prawie przy ko�cu. |
22:06 | You've pasted this line? | |
22:07 | psychokiller | no |
22:07 | Ropuch | Just sudo make install? |
22:07 | psychokiller | i pasted this : sudo make install |
22:08 | should i proceed ? | |
22:09 | Ropuch | Give me sec, I'm doing make just now |
22:10 | You've run make && make test? | |
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22:16 | psychokiller | sorry ? |
22:16 | ive run make install | |
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22:16 | psychokiller | ah yes and kame and make test |
22:16 | Ropuch | After perl Makefile.PL - have you run make && make test |
22:16 | psychokiller | you 're right |
22:16 | Ropuch | Before running sudo make install? |
22:17 | psychokiller | yes i did that |
22:18 | i got a lot of : | |
22:18 | Manifying .... | |
22:18 | etc | |
22:18 | and at the end | |
22:18 | Can't open blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml for read at rewrite-config.PL line 172. | |
22:18 | make: *** [blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml] Error 2 | |
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22:22 | psychokiller | oh shit |
22:22 | when i go this step | |
22:22 | : | |
22:22 | Gotowe! Teraz możemy udać się pod adres http://127.0.1.1:8080, odpowiedzieć na kilka pytań i cieszyć się własnoręcznie zainstalowanym systemem bibliotecznym. Jeśli nic nie zmienialiśmy w trakcie konfiguracji, logujemy się na konto kohaadmin z hasłem katikoan. | |
22:22 | i get this | |
22:23 | Koha error The following fatal error has occurred: DBD driver has not implemented the AutoCommit attribute at /usr/lib/perl5/DBI.pm line 705. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Circulation.pm line 25. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Circulation.pm line 25. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Overdues.pm line 24. BEGIN failed--compilation abo | |
22:23 | Ropuch | Ok ok |
22:23 | So first remove /usr/share/koha | |
22:23 | sudo r, -fr /usr/share/koha | |
22:24 | guh | |
22:24 | sudo rm -fr /usr/share/koha | |
22:24 | psychokiller | yes... |
22:24 | done that | |
22:24 | Ropuch | Then run make clean |
22:24 | psychokiller | ? |
22:25 | what do i type ? | |
22:25 | Ropuch | make clean |
22:25 | psychokiller | that does nothing |
22:25 | make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. | |
22:25 | thats what it responds | |
22:26 | orestesorestespc:/etc/apache2/sites-available$ | |
22:26 | im in this directory | |
22:26 | maybe that is the problem | |
22:26 | Ropuch | Go to your koha-3.00.05 |
22:26 | psychokiller | that is cd what ? |
22:26 | Ropuch | directory |
22:26 | Where you extracted the tar file | |
22:27 | psychokiller | well... |
22:27 | hmmmmm | |
22:27 | where is that | |
22:27 | lets see | |
22:27 | what is the default by your install? | |
22:28 | Ropuch | cd ~/projekt-koha/koha-3.00.05 |
22:28 | psychokiller | aha |
22:28 | Ropuch | And then make clean |
22:28 | psychokiller | well it seems fine now |
22:28 | i did that | |
22:29 | next ? | |
22:29 | Ropuch | rm -rf ./blib |
22:29 | just to be sure | |
22:29 | psychokiller | did that |
22:29 | nothing special | |
22:29 | Ropuch | And then unfortunatelly perl Makefile.PL |
22:29 | psychokiller | but nothing weird either |
22:30 | done that | |
22:30 | no error dispaly | |
22:30 | *display | |
22:30 | Ropuch | You've done with basic configuration? |
22:30 | psychokiller | i pressed ENTER in all |
22:30 | lol | |
22:30 | Ropuch | :) |
22:30 | make | |
22:31 | psychokiller | sorry ? |
22:31 | wajasu | are book covers cached one retrieved? |
22:31 | Ropuch | And go grab some tea, it takes some time in 3.00.5 ;> |
22:31 | psychokiller | shouldn't i do make && make test ? |
22:32 | Ropuch | When make is finished we'll run make test :) |
22:32 | psychokiller | what's the problem if i do both twice ? |
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22:33 | psychokiller | both at the same time that is |
22:33 | (and im not going to drink tea this time of hour) | |
22:34 | oh its READY | |
22:34 | no error | |
22:34 | YEAAAAAAAH!!! | |
22:34 | oh no | |
22:34 | there is an error | |
22:34 | Ropuch | ? |
22:34 | psychokiller | Can't open blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml for read at rewrite-config.PL line 172. |
22:34 | make: *** [blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml] Error 2 | |
22:35 | i assume it is the same error | |
22:35 | not sure 'though | |
22:35 | Ropuch | It's the same |
22:35 | psychokiller | so what is the remedy ? |
22:35 | Ropuch | Can you run |
22:35 | df -h | |
22:36 | psychokiller | yes |
22:36 | Ropuch | Maybe you've run out of disk space? |
22:36 | wizzyrea | it looks like your config file didn't get written correctly |
22:36 | Ropuch | wizzyrea: the questin is why |
22:36 | psychokiller | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
22:36 | /dev/sdb2 7.4G 4.1G 3.0G 59% / | |
22:36 | udev 1007M 276K 1007M 1% /dev | |
22:36 | none 1007M 772K 1006M 1% /dev/shm | |
22:36 | none 1007M 100K 1007M 1% /var/run | |
22:36 | none 1007M 0 1007M 0% /var/lock | |
22:36 | none 1007M 0 1007M 0% /lib/init/rw | |
22:36 | /dev/sdb5 27G 5.0G 22G 19% /home | |
22:36 | /dev/sdb3 432G 107G 326G 25% /media/???? ????? | |
22:37 | Ropuch | I'm sure the disk space is not the issue here |
22:37 | psychokiller | so what is the step i've done wrong ? |
22:37 | Ropuch | I can't say really |
22:38 | I found similar error message: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]April/017794.html | |
22:39 | psychokiller: I'm really guessing here, but can you wget another tarball of koha? | |
22:39 | psychokiller | what tarball would that be ? |
22:40 | Ropuch | Ok |
22:40 | cd ~/projekt-koha/ && rm -fr koha-3.00.05 | |
22:41 | Then start wit | |
22:41 | With | |
22:41 | wget http://download.koha.org/koha-3.00.05.tar.gz | |
22:41 | psychokiller | hmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
22:41 | Ropuch | ANd try to proceed, if the error will occur again, I'm out of ideas |
22:41 | psychokiller | i already have that |
22:41 | Ropuch | I know |
22:41 | psychokiller | but well lets try it anyway |
22:42 | Ropuch | Your box seems to handle make pretty fast ;> |
22:45 | psychokiller | my box ? |
22:45 | what box ? | |
22:45 | my Ubuntu Desktop is not on a Virtual Box | |
22:45 | its real | |
22:48 | Ropuch | I mean your computer |
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22:59 | psychokiller | it displays : |
22:59 | sudo gedit /etc/apache2/ports.conf | |
22:59 | oops soory | |
22:59 | not really | |
22:59 | Saving to: `koha-3.00.05.tar.gz.1' | |
22:59 | that's what its displaying | |
22:59 | is it ok ? | |
23:01 | Ropuch | yep |
23:01 | Now | |
23:01 | rm koha-3.00.05.tar.gz | |
23:01 | mv koha-3.00.05.tar.gz.1 koha-3.00.05.tar.gz | |
23:01 | psychokiller | well downloading is not quite done |
23:01 | he | |
23:01 | Ropuch | ohg |
23:02 | Then wait till it's done | |
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23:04 | Ropuch | After it's done, paste the two lines I'ce gave above and start with tar -zxvf koha-3.00.05.tar.gz && cd koha-3.00.05 step |
23:04 | It's about time to get some sleep for me | |
23:04 | psychokiller | sleep ? |
23:04 | thats pointless | |
23:04 | Ropuch | ;> |
23:05 | It's gonna be a busy day tomorrow | |
23:05 | chris joined #koha | |
23:06 | Ropuch | Anyway - I hope you succeed |
23:06 | Genji left #koha | |
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23:06 | psychokiller | well if i dont |
23:06 | Genji joined #koha | |
23:06 | psychokiller | you'll see me again |
23:06 | ! | |
23:06 | lol | |
23:06 | Ropuch | ;> |
23:08 | psychokiller | gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file |
23:08 | koha-3.00.05/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/sv-SE/js/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/media/media.htm | |
23:08 | koha-3.00.05/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/sv-SE/js/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/media/editor_plugin_src.js | |
23:08 | tar: Unexpected EOF in archive | |
23:08 | tar: Unexpected EOF in archive | |
23:08 | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now | |
23:08 | Ropuch | I should be online tomorrow 8-9am (gmt+1) |
23:08 | psychokiller | what i get |
23:08 | Ropuch | Hm |
23:09 | wget exitted without error? | |
23:10 | psychokiller | yes |
23:10 | no error there | |
23:10 | thats what i get after some activiyt | |
23:10 | with the tar.... command | |
23:10 | Ropuch | huh |
23:10 | ok | |
23:11 | psychokiller | ok? |
23:11 | should i proceed ? | |
23:11 | Ropuch | clean your ~/projekt-koha directory and try get koha from mirror |
23:11 | it's not ok | |
23:12 | psychokiller | a mirror ? |
23:12 | but how can i do that from a console ? | |
23:12 | Ropuch | wget http://d10xg45o6p6dbl.cloudfro[…]ha-3.00.05.tar.gz |
23:13 | psychokiller | ok |
23:13 | go to sleep | |
23:13 | Ropuch | Yep |
23:13 | psychokiller | actually |
23:13 | Ropuch | Good night |
23:13 | psychokiller | i cant see you tommorow |
23:13 | because i have a russian lesson | |
23:13 | lol | |
23:14 | Ropuch | I have german lesson in the evening ;> |
23:14 | psychokiller | ill be here the day after tommorow |
23:14 | ok bye | |
23:14 | Ropuch | Bye |
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23:40 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
23:41 | @weather 56001 | |
23:41 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 1.9�C (5:37 PM CST on March 09, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Falling). Dense fog advisory in effect until 6 am CST Wednesday... |
23:44 | psychokiller | @weather 56001 |
23:44 | munin | psychokiller: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 1.9�C (5:42 PM CST on March 09, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Falling). Dense fog advisory in effect until 6 am CST Wednesday... |
23:44 | psychokiller | @weather 000007 |
23:44 | munin | psychokiller: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error |
23:45 | psychokiller | @weather 00999 |
23:45 | munin | psychokiller: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error |
23:51 | johnindy_ left #koha | |
23:59 | psychokiller | is anybody here ? |
23:59 | Koha error The following fatal error has occurred: DBD driver has not implemented the AutoCommit attribute at /usr/lib/perl5/DBI.pm line 705. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 30. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 30. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/mainpage.pl line 23. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted |
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