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gmcharlt |
@quote random |
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munin |
gmcharlt: Quote #31: "<@gmcharlt> but hacking Koha *should* be a restful part of any vacation ;)" (added by chris at 07:31 PM, September 02, 2009) |
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gmcharlt |
thd-away: if you're around, looks like we lost most of our ops - could you /op me and chris and hdl_laptop , etc? |
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chris |
@later tell thd-away looks like we lost most of our ops - could you /op me and chris and hdl_laptop |
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munin |
chris: The operation succeeded. |
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chris |
@later tell thd looks like we lost most of our ops - could you /op me and chris and hdl_laptop |
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munin |
chris: The operation succeeded. |
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chris |
there we go :) |
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* gmcharlt |
contemplates the lack of topic sadly |
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braedon|work |
gmcharlt: just after you left before: |
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"if people want it, perhaps we could create a koha project/team on launchpad, and copy them to a more official PPA there?" |
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thoughts? (since you are handling the dependencies bug) |
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gmcharlt |
braedon|work: sounds good as long as we don't accidently split the Koha bugs database by enabling bug reporting on the launchpad project |
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(at least, absent some community desire to move away from bugzilla) |
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braedon|work |
gmcharlt: ok, i will look into it |
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really need to get a few more people testing what i have build so far first |
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* gmcharlt |
suggests that you put out a call for testers on koha-devel |
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braedon|work |
or someone who actually knows what they are doing with debian package building - that would be great. I am just using the default package build by dh-make-perl |
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hmm, koha-devel - there is a thought |
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i shall do that |
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gmcharlt |
Vincent Danjean has made a go of working on Debian packaging for Koha every now and again, and I think he takes requests to help package Perl modules |
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slef is active in Debian as well; I think he's a DD |
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braedon|work |
ok, thanks |
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is he likely to respond to a general request on koha-devel? or will i have to get in touch with him directly? |
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gmcharlt |
slef? he'll likely respond if he has time, but doesn't hurt to ask him directly |
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braedon|work |
sorry, Vincent Danjean |
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gmcharlt |
he might notice, but you're more likely to get his attention by contacting him directly |
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chris_n |
wow, mass exodus of ops here :) |
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angie |
hello Koha community! |
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braedon|work |
ahoy |
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braedon|work |
well fine then |
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richard |
heh |
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braedon|work |
Ahoy! |
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Amit |
hi all |
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ebegin |
chris, around? |
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Hi Amit! |
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Is there a way to get other languages from git? |
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gmcharlt |
ebegin: chris sends a pull request for languages every now and again, but the best way to get the most recent po is from Pootle |
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ebegin |
ok, but where we can find the translation for the installer? |
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angie |
hello there! |
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ebegin |
Hi angie! |
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angie |
any suggestion for accessing ebooks directly from koha opac? I'm coordinating a project for a public library in Eritrea and we are searching for the best solution to give access to books in pdf and to catalog them |
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hi ebegin! |
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ebegin |
do you have to manage the DRM? |
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chris |
put them on a webserver somewhere, then catalogue them in koha, and add a link to where they live in the 856u tag |
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(you could put them in a digital library system even, and link to their url in there) |
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angie |
no drm issues |
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hi chris! what digital library system would you suggest? |
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ebegin |
ok. So the 856$u field is the place to put your URL to the PDFs as mentionned chris |
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chris |
angie: not sure, one that has persistent urls though :) |
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people seem to like dspace |
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http://www.dspace.org/ |
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http://kete.net.nz/ is another option |
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angie |
thank you very much |
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any experience with integrating koha with vufind? |
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chris |
not me |
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angie |
thank you very much Chris |
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and thank you ebegin |
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bye |
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ebegin |
bye |
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chris, are the .po file push on git everyday? |
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s/push/pushed |
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chris |
nope |
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i push the 3.0.x ones every so often to git.koha.org |
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chris |
but galen needs to pull from my translation branch for the 3.2 ones |
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its best to download them from translate.koha.org |
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i push to my backup repo, but not to git.koha.org (except for 3.0.x) |
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* chris |
has to go catch his bus, back in a bit |
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ebegin |
ok, thanks |
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It seems to have some junk info that was filled in the fr-CA translation. Anybody got this problem with other languages? |
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chris_n |
g'night |
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hdl_laptop |
ebegin: there is a test file for system preferences in xt |
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(errr in fact two. |
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One to check against the database, an other one to test against the sql files) |
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ebegin |
hdl_laptop, in xt? |
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hdl_laptop |
xt directory |
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it is a test => .t file |
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ebegin |
oh, i see. I'll check that |
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. |
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braedon|home |
, |
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ebegin |
; |
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CGI190 |
hi all |
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I have sent my problem on mailing list also but I dont understand yet |
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I have problem that when I have add the catalogue, I cant see these in search catalogue |
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how can I resolve this problem |
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Im engage in this problem since one month but I cant resolve yer |
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yet |
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CGI190 |
? |
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CGI190 |
I have problem in catalogue search? could any one help me? |
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chris |
have you run rebuild_zebra.pl |
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from the install documentation |
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1.2 Zebra Indexer |
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Add an entry in Koha user crontab to scheduled added/updated/deleted records |
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indexing by Zebra with this command: |
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<path/to/koha>/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra -z -b -a |
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CGI190 |
yeah I have follow all instruction koha-3.004_fixed in debian lenny |
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when I want to add books, it work and z39.50 is also working but search from biblios is not working |
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mean it do not show the catalogue which I saved in search but it is present when I want to see lists |
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chris |
so zebra is running, and you have a cron job set up to run rebuild_zebra? |
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CGI190 |
chris: how can I set? |
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chris |
look at the crontab.example file |
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* chris |
has to go bath his son |
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CGI190 |
where crontab.example is placed? |
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Amit |
heya nicomo |
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nicomo |
heya Amit |
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morning all |
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CGI190 |
chris: where contab.example file is it? |
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Amit |
CGI190: misc/cronjobs directory |
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CGI190 |
ok |
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AMit: Im not getting yet plz sent me details |
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CGI190 |
amit: im not familar with linux so I see the problems and plz sent me book on linux basic commands which will help me regarding koha |
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chris |
any spanish speakers online? |
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http://tramullas.com/2010/02/1[…]-hay-que-aceptar/ |
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paul_p |
hello world |
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chris: nahuel speaks spanish |
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chris |
google gives me an ok translation but some is a bit confusing |
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its interesting that the situation is being used as a case study now |
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nahuel |
hi |
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hi nahuel |
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CGI621 |
I have following problem |
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misc/migration-tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -wbash: misc/migration-tools/rebuild_zebra.pl: No such file or directory |
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why it is not working |
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FAST index |
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imp |
sounds like you are not inside your koha folder / checkout |
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CGI621 |
no Im inside koha folder |
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Im at 'nouman lumhs-b70715be2:~/koha-3.00.04_fixed$ ' |
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when I check 'misc/migration-tools/rebuild_zebra.pl' it is also present in folder |
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. |
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CGI867 |
imp: what is the problem |
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as I was disconnected |
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Ropuch |
CGI867: try misc/migration-tools/./rebuild_zebra.pl |
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CGI867 |
Ropuch |
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noumanlumhs-b70715be2:~/koha-3.00.04_fixed$ misc/migration-tools/./rebuild_zebra.pl |
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it show |
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Ropuch |
With some options |
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CGI867 |
noumanlumhs-b70715be2:~/koha-3.00.04_fixed$ misc/migration-tools/./rebuild_zebra.pl |
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it also show bash |
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Ropuch |
Ok, first thing: you have Koha installed and you're in instalation directory? |
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Not the dirwectory you're installing from |
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That default is /usr/share/koha |
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CGI867 |
oh |
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Ropuch |
If you're running ubuntu/debian box, try http://bagno.be/zebra.txt |
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get the file, chmod +x it and then sudo run it |
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CGI867 |
Im using debian-lenny |
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Im now /usr/share/koha but still show same problem |
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Ropuch |
export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib |
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export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml |
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CGI867 |
export has been done |
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now? |
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Ropuch |
wget http://bagno.be/pliki/zebra.txt && chmod +x zebra.txt && sudo ./zebra.txt |
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try this line |
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If you're in the misc/migration-tools/ and want to run rebuild_zebra you have to add ./ |
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./rebuild_zebra.pl -all-options-you-want |
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CGI867 |
It is not working wget http://bagno.be/pliki/zebra.txt && chmod +x zebra.txt && sudo ./zebra.txt |
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Ropuch |
aaaa |
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sorry |
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wget http://bagno.be/zebra.txt && chmod +x zebra.txt && sudo ./zebra.txt |
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CGI867 |
what should I do |
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. |
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still show cant write premision denied |
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Ropuch |
wait |
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You/re in /usr/share/koha? |
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CGI867 |
yes |
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Ropuch |
Ok |
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Try cd ~/ |
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And then above line |
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You don;t have write permission as normaln user in /usr/share/koha |
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CGI867 |
it is working |
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CGI867 |
then what should i do |
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Ropuch |
CGI867: it depends on what you want ot do :) |
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It's your first time installing koha? |
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CGI867 |
Actually catloging search from my system is not working |
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Yeah It is first time.. actually Im new user of linux also |
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so I want to run FAST index command |
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Ropuch |
Okidoki |
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CGI867 |
still when I want to run 'misc/migration-tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w' |
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it show the error |
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Ropuch |
Try to add some records, then run sudo ./zebra.txt from your home directory after that |
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CGI867 |
I have add some records earlier copying from z39.50 search |
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Ropuch: could u help me |
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Ropuch |
I'll try |
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11:20 < CGI867> it is working |
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CGI867 |
mean? |
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Ropuch |
So running the zebra.txt was succesful? |
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CGI867 |
Yeah it is succeful |
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Ropuch |
Hm |
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Ok, Go to Administration > Global system preferences > OPAC |
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And check the hidelostitems setting |
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CGI867 |
hidelostitems is selected OFF |
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CGI867 |
Ropuch: misc/migration-tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w is not still working |
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Ropuch |
CGI867: you can go to /sr/share/koha/misc/migration-tools , |
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su -s or su root |
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CGI867 |
is it necessary to first run the import commands then FAST |
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. |
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Ropuch |
I don't know actually |
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CGI867 |
I need only help cataloging search from my system |
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Ropuch |
When doing new testing intsall i run this zebra.txt script out of my laziness |
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And it's laways working |
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Huh, sorry for typos |
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CGI867 |
I also need help regarding virtual shelves |
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I have created lists but when I want to add books. there is not show any value in combobox of virtual shelve |
| 10:32 |
Ropuch |
Oh, I've just spotted this - you're working with outdated version of koha |
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http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ |
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Go with current stable |
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CGI867 |
Hm |
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Ropuch |
You can upgfrade, but you can sudo rm -fr /usr/share/koha |
| 10:33 |
CGI867 |
I am working on Koha-3.004_Fixed |
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Ropuch |
And to clean install |
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CGI867: yes, latest stable is 3.00.05 |
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CGI867 |
It is typical for me to again install |
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bz I m not expert yet in linux and koha |
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Ropuch |
Community don't have acces to koha.org due to LibLime policy, so we can't update it |
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CGI867: http://bagno.be/poradniki/instalacja-koha/ |
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I've wrote step-by-step koha installing manual |
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It;s in polish, but maybe google translate will do |
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CGI867 |
what is it? |
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Ropuch |
It's actually all about pasting the content of dashed boxes ;> |
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CGI867 |
Im not getting yet? |
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Ropuch |
Sorry? |
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CGI867 |
Im not understanding ur point |
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Ropuch |
I've wrote step-by-step tutorial of how to get Koha & zebra up & runnig |
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Ropuch |
All I'm saying is that maybe - if google translate can do the job - you may find it useful |
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:) |
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Nevermind - if you get the 3.00.05 installed and have eny problems - just ping me, if I'm around, I'll try to help |
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kf |
good morning gmcharlt and jwagner |
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jwagner |
Guten tag kf |
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gmcharlt |
greetings |
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chris_n |
g'morning |
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gmcharlt: should we not consider changing the engine for sessions and zebraqueue to MyISAM in kohastructure.sql? |
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gmcharlt |
chris_n: no reason why not to consider it, or at least write a README |
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there are a couple other things to do - there's a pending bug for CGI::Session to make it possible to pass the expiration time to the session storage that could use a little love |
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as would helping to finish the memached driver for CGI::Session |
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if you've got the RAM for it, using the memory storage engine for the sessions table would be another option |
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chris_n |
still, it seems that if there is no benefit from running it InnoDB, and it is easier to reclaim diskspace using MyISAM, the change would be worth making even with those other improvements |
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* chris_n |
would love to load the entire thing into RAM and run from there :) |
| 13:12 |
chris_n |
think solid state HDD |
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hilongo |
hello everyone :) |
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hilongo |
I'va seen some references of an 'ICU' method for creating the zebra index in Koha that might help searching words with diacritics... is it something that can be used with 3.0.x or is something for 3.2?? |
| 13:40 |
kf |
I think it would work with 3.0.x too, you should perhaps ask hdl about it |
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we use icu indexing with 3.01.61, but I can not explain how to set it up |
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hilongo |
hdl is Henri-Damien Laurent? |
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kf |
yes |
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hilongo |
ok ... I'll send him an email.. :) |
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by the way ... how is it working? ... the icu indexing... |
| 13:48 |
tomascohen |
hi every1, does anyone know what is the status of mod_perl support in koha? |
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what I mean is if there's a list of bugs that should be squashed or somethingç |
| 13:51 |
gmcharlt |
tomascohen: for mod_perl support specifically, you mean? |
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or bugs in genearl? |
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tomascohen |
for mod_perl support |
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I see several errors in the logs when using mod_perl |
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and want to know if there is a known list of bugs regarding mod_perl support in koha |
| 13:53 |
gmcharlt |
tomascohen: are you using Apache::PerlRun or Apache::Registry ? |
| 13:53 |
tomascohen |
just followed the instructions in the wiki |
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ModPerl::Registry I guess |
| 13:54 |
gmcharlt |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=mod_perl ? that's a bit out of date |
| 13:55 |
tomascohen |
exactly |
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which one should I use? |
| 13:55 |
gmcharlt |
Apache::PerlRun will work better for now - less of a performance boost, but doesn't require modifying the code |
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converting CGI scripts to work under Apache::Registry takes more work, which hasn't been done yet, although it's planned for 3.4 |
| 13:56 |
tomascohen |
Ok, I need to install it from CPAN and set it as the PerlResponseHandler? |
| 13:58 |
gmcharlt |
ModPerl::PerlRunPrefork |
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it looks like - since you have mod_perl already installed, you probably don't need to get ot CPAN to get that module |
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tomascohen |
I have it from hardy repos |
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thanks gmcharlt |
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gmcharlt |
please let me know how it works |
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how *well* it works, that is |
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nahuel: ebegin: need a French translation, please |
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"Enable circulation sounds during checkin and checkout in the staff interface. Not supported by all web browsers yet." |
| 14:04 |
nahuel |
"Activer les évenement sonores de circulation pendant le prêt et le retour dans l'intranet. N'est pas encore supporté par tous les navigateurs web" |
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ebegin |
agree |
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gmcharlt |
thanks - any diacritics in that? |
| 14:10 |
ebegin |
oups, one typo: "Activer les événements sonores de circulation pendant le prêt et le retour dans l'intranet. N'est pas encore supporté par tous les navigateurs web" 'événements' instead of 'évenement' |
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yes, there is diacritics |
| 14:10 |
gmcharlt |
ebegin: could you pastebin that, then |
| 14:11 |
ebegin |
there you go: http://pastebin.ca/1801563 |
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gmcharlt |
thanks! |
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jwagner |
owen, online? |
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chris_n |
interesting article: http://www.boston.com/news/loc[…]ithout_the_books/ |
| 14:25 |
owen |
Present! |
| 14:25 |
chris_n |
and a related one: http://roomfordebate.blogs.nyt[…]aries-need-books/ |
| 14:25 |
jwagner |
Yet Another jquery -- in the OPAC patron messaging options, can I remove one line from the table? It doesn't have an ID that I can see. I want to get rid of the Upcoming Events line. |
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jwagner |
It's just a <td> line |
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owen |
jwagner: Do you know if it is consistently the second row? |
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jwagner |
I think so, in this code level anyway. |
| 14:30 |
owen |
$("#opac-messaging table tr:eq(2)").hide(); |
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jwagner |
YES! |
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Thanks! |
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owen++ # that makes 16 local customizations done through jquery on this site, instead of modifying the templates! |
| 14:32 |
owen |
Looking at 3.2, is "upcoming events" even working? Should it be in the template at all? |
| 14:32 |
jwagner |
I don't think it works at all at this level, dunno why it's in there. |
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gmcharlt |
owen: it's a hook for integrating with a calendaring app, but AFAIK it's not actually used anywhere |
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gmcharlt |
nahuel: question for you - hdl sent a patch that among other things added an ILS-DI:Authorized_IPs syspref |
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gmcharlt |
but that syspref doesn't do anything |
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is there actually code implemeting it? |
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nahuel |
gmcharlt, ask to Kivutar, he made the code |
| 14:37 |
gmcharlt |
Kivutar: ^^ :) |
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Kivutar |
gmcharlt: lets see |
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it looks like this patch has been lost |
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i wrote code using this syspref |
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we should ask hdl about it |
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yes, we have it on one of our branches |
| 14:41 |
gmcharlt |
please submit it, then - I'm not going to push a new syspref that isn't implemented |
| 14:42 |
Kivutar |
sure :) |
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I mail hdl about it |
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chris_n |
is git.koha.org down? |
| 14:43 |
wizzyrea |
chris_n: doesn't look like it from here, at least not the gitweb |
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* chris_n |
restarts FF.... again :-P |
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chris_n |
hmm.... must have been a FF problem; works fine now |
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wizzyrea |
FF has gone stupid on me like that a few times |
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Kivutar |
done |
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wizzyrea |
ok, I'm looking at the 3.2 alpha and I'm having trouble with the local hold functionality |
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well, holds in general |
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actually... let me check something I just had a brainwave |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: :( I know some folks have been playing around with holds testing as well; fixing any regressions in the holds functionality (and regressions in general) will be a priority for general release |
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wizzyrea |
you know what |
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I think I found at least 50% of my problem just now |
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attention to sysprefs ftl |
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;) |
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but that is excellent... we are doing a big test run on 3.2 tomorrow, put any bugs we find in bugzilla? |
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test run of holds, I should say |
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stuipd allowonshelfholds |
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sigh |
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I spent an hour mucking about with holds yesterday |
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and fixed it in my first 5 minutes back today |
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kf |
bye #koha |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: sleeping_on_it++ |
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and yes, please report bugs in BZ |
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wizzyrea |
cool. I will do my best to not add any dupes |
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owen |
Lots of lurkers in here these days |
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ebegin |
Anybody had problem importing marc file within the Stage MARC Records for import? I do have a MARC file that do not want to be imported. When pressing Stage for import, nothing happens. |
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It is a very standard marc file |
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* jdavidb |
lurks in a corner, twitching; just did a "git merge master" on a haphazardly-modified branch. |
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moodaepo |
@wunder 56001 |
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munin |
moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -16.0�C (8:55 AM CST on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -18.0�C. Windchill: -21.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Falling). |
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jdavidb |
Brr! |
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schuster |
ebegin - 3.2 or 3.0.x? |
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ebegin |
3.0.x |
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3.0.4 to be more precise |
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schuster |
I import on a regular basis without problems. I have had problems where there was a bad MARC record/character in the file so it wouldn't load. I'd run it through MarcEdit, correct or remove the corrupt record and it would load fine. |
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ebegin |
I usualy don't have problem either... I'll check for corruption. |
| 15:20 |
owen |
schuster: How do you identify the problem in MarcEdit? |
| 15:26 |
wizzyrea |
does anyone have insight on the sound cues? Do they "just work" |
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? |
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schuster |
First off if it opens at all in MARC edit. If it does open there is a MARCValidator tool. If it doesn't work generally I've had to break the file into seperate pieces to isolate the specific record that is having problems using the MARC breaker tool in MarcEdit. |
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wizzyrea - did that "enhancement" get pushed up? I didn't think it had made it to head yet. |
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wizzyrea |
I got the .ogg files this morning |
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was just about to test it |
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or, see if anything happened |
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it's not a syspref that needs to be turned on, right? |
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never mind, yes, there is a pref "soundon" |
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which needs to be enabled |
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reading ftw |
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schuster |
Oh cool... I will need to investigate that! |
| 15:32 |
owen |
The ogg file should work in Firefox or Chrome: http://html5doctor.com/native-[…]o-in-the-browser/ |
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We need to add an mp3 for fallback |
| 15:32 |
gmcharlt |
and it can be made to work in Safari upon installation of QuickTime, I believe |
| 15:32 |
owen |
Hey, it works. |
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I hate the sound clip though :( What is that, a banjo? |
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We should have a nationwide contest to design the perfect beep. |
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owen |
The "good" sound is better. |
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* chris_n |
wonders why his installation of mysql insists on creating tables as MyISAM inspite of being told otherwise |
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chris_n |
grrrr |
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| 15:40 |
owen |
Next thing we'll need is a system preference for defining custom sound files, since every library is going to want their own. |
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I want mine to play the A-Team theme song upon each successful checkout. |
| 15:43 |
schuster |
I had a sound file with our old ILS that was my voice that said "good" when it was good, and "check the screen" when it was bad. Kids always were looking around for that non existant voice. |
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owen |
How about "Well done!" and "Uh-oh!" |
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Or for the teens, "Whatever." and <sarcastically>"Nice." |
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wizzyrea |
lol owen |
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sound_cues++ |
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but owen's right, it could stand to be more configurable |
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like, beep only on errors |
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gmcharlt |
send a patch :) |
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wizzyrea |
well I was thinking that it got in at all was super great |
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>.> |
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the rest is just gravy |
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owen |
Mmmm... gravy. |
| 15:47 |
Colin |
Could this be a new category of emmy 'Best error beep' |
| 15:48 |
wizzyrea |
grammys probably |
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^.^ |
| 15:48 |
gmcharlt |
how about an aural translation system to go with translate.koha.org? :) |
| 15:49 |
wizzyrea |
more seriously, my peeps here are getting pretty excited about 3.2 |
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lol... I wonder if dragonspeech could do that :P |
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run the whole opac through your iphone |
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output=awesome |
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gmcharlt |
jwagner: around? |
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jwagner |
Yes |
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paul_p |
question to english speaking ppl... in public libraries, the term "authority" sound strange to most readers (at least in french). So I'm on the way to replace it. But which term would be the best ? |
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(hello everybody) |
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does "indexes" sound better ? |
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gmcharlt |
paul_p: authority referening to authority record? |
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paul_p |
like "browse indexes" |
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gmcharlt: yep |
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jwagner |
No, I think indexes is the wrong term for this. |
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paul_p |
autorité (french term) is just related to the boss ;-) |
| 15:55 |
gmcharlt |
paul_p: "browse" or "browse names" or "browse subjects" |
| 15:55 |
paul_p |
gmcharlt: except the link is for both names & subjects :( |
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"browse lists" ? |
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jdavidb |
"official terms?" |
| 15:56 |
Colin |
browse headings |
| 15:56 |
gmcharlt |
"browse headings" is more precise, but not sure how many patrons have a clear notion of what a heading is |
| 15:56 |
wizzyrea |
erg, headings is libraryspeak... this is for the staff or opac side? |
| 15:56 |
paul_p |
it's for OPAC ! |
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schuster |
term search |
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concept search |
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paul_p |
that's my problem : find a term mumy or boy can understand ;-) |
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schuster |
"about" search |
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paul_p |
schuster: ??? |
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wizzyrea |
Meta Search, but nobody would know what that means |
| 15:57 |
gmcharlt |
"about search" doesn't work so well for describing a name headings browse |
| 15:58 |
jwagner |
Was just looking at a Unicorn site -- it uses Browse by author, title, subject |
| 15:58 |
schuster |
If you wanted to know information "about someone" it works |
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wizzyrea |
yea, you can't get much clearer than that really |
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is this a link that can't be spatially long? |
| 15:58 |
paul_p |
wizzyrea: you mean jwagner proposal ? |
| 15:58 |
wizzyrea |
yea |
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paul_p |
the link can be that long I think (and we can safely remove "title", just to have "browse by author or subjects" |
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gmcharlt |
+1 # jwagner |
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jwagner |
Also uses Catalog Lookup by Cross Reference |
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paul_p |
wow, too complex I'm afraid |
| 16:00 |
wizzyrea |
I"m for Browse by author, title, subject |
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patrons wouldn't know what an authority search is anyway, so it's good we are having this discussion |
| 16:01 |
schuster |
what actually are you "browsing" - is it subjects or ??? depends doesn't it? and are the authority searches working now with 3.2? |
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Is it keyword, or actually a list? |
| 16:02 |
paul_p |
schuster: it is the authority list, definetly |
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and if you don't use Koha authorities, then this link is useless for the library |
| 16:03 |
schuster |
So titles are not included - so stick to Author, subject browse |
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My authorities in 3.0x have never worked right. |
| 16:04 |
paul_p |
schuster: right (except it uniform titles are stored, but what is an uniform title is totally impossible to understand for any human being ;-) ) |
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( at least any non librarian :D ) |
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schuster |
some of us librarians don't fully understand them either... |
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* chris_n |
shakes his fist at apt |
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owen |
Whoa.. Were the pictures supposed to make it easier to understand? http://marklodato.github.com/visual-git-guide/ |
| 16:13 |
chris_n |
very nice |
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liz-nekls |
ok this is a nitpicky thing |
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in the intranet the "this cart is empty" popup is underneath the news area header |
| 16:27 |
owen |
Can you file a bug for that liz-nekls? I saw that too, and it should be fixed. |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
yepper sure |
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done bug 4214 |
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munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4214 minor, P5, ---, paul.poulainbiblibre.com, NEW, "Your Cart is Currently Empty" popup displays underneath News header |
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chris_n |
fwiw: it appears that ubuntu 9.10 mysql lacks compiled support for the innodb engine |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
yikes! |
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paul_p |
chris_n: can't believe it ! |
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chris_n |
I'd love to find out I'm wrong |
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but apt-get install mysql-server results in an instance which reports no innodb engine |
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mysql> show variables like 'have_innodb'; |
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+---------------+-------+ |
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| Variable_name | Value | |
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+---------------+-------+ |
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| have_innodb | NO | |
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1 row in set (0.00 sec) |
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owen |
chris_n: I get "YES" |
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...and you can bet I didn't compile it myself. |
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chris_n |
owen: could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.workbuffer.org? |
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maybe I have the kiddie pool repos installed :-) |
| 16:53 |
pastebot |
"owen" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Ubuntu 9.10 /etc/apt/sources.list" (53 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/2 |
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chris_n |
ahh... ubuntu 9.04 |
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I'm at 9.10 |
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well, I see karmic repos |
| 16:54 |
owen |
My "about ubuntu" says 9.10 |
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* chris_n |
scratches his head |
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chris_n |
owen: did you start at 9.04 and then upgrade? |
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Colin |
The version on the CD is innodb-free can you possibly update from elsewhere? |
| 16:55 |
owen |
chris_n: I know I have upgraded, so I guess that's most likely true |
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* jwagner |
watches paint dry while waiting for bugzilla to respond.... |
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* tekonivel |
is trying to fugure out which version to translate |
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Colin |
chris_n:There was a mysql bug which caused the innodb plugin to fail and Ubuntu use that rather than compiling innodb in |
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chris_n |
Colin: so the innodb plugin is a separate package? |
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Colin |
I think so you aldo need mysql 5.1.33 or greater |
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chris_n |
this is 5.1.37 |
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Colin |
I assume there's a mysql-innodb or innodb package somewhere |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
erg, another nitpicky |
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the font in the checkout search box is different from the font in the check in search box |
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owen |
wizzyrea_laptop: Where? |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
the search header |
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intranet |
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check out is serif, check in is sans serif |
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owen |
On the circulation page? What platform/browser? |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
un moment, will screenshot |
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firefox/mac |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
http://screencast.com/t/Njc3YmI4 |
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http://screencast.com/t/Njc3YmI4 |
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http://screencast.com/t/NWFiZDdmZWY |
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sry for the dupe |
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search catalog is consistent with check in |
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owen |
Okay, I see that on Firefox/Ubuntu too. |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
kool. glad that helped |
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jing is my best friend every, next to my iphone |
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ever* |
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owen |
It's as if Firefox on Ubuntu and Mac has different understanding of how "font-family:inherit" should work. Weird. |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
strange indeed |
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well if it's fringe to mac/ubuntu then it's not that big of a deal (to me anyway) |
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nengard_ |
hey - who added locations to lists? i can't see a patch for that - but it's in my recent pull of HEAD |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
oh wowie there are more patches lol |
| 17:25 |
owen |
nengard_: Looks like it happened in December: "Matthias Meusburger 2009-12-03 11:58:44" |
| 17:26 |
nengard_ |
wait - but weren't we asking for it just yesterday? |
| 17:27 |
owen |
That's a difference between LEK and HEAD |
| 17:27 |
nengard_ |
anyway - I have a request that I'll submit to bugzilla - that we have a preference (yes yes I know - too many preferences) to turn this on or off - cause I'm looking at a list right now where 1 bib has 15 items and they're all showing making the list longer than i really intended |
| 17:28 |
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owen - yeah - that I know - but I don't remember seeing this implemented when I did the lists documentation |
| 17:29 |
owen |
nengard_: If it looked like it does on the search results page would that be better? Or perhaps have the display controlled by the OPACItemsResultsDisplay pref? |
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nengard_ |
owen - yeah that might work as long as it wraps well :) |
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okay - playing with sounds on circ - why do i need a beep when i visit the check in page? shouldn't that happen after i perform an action? |
| 17:52 |
owen |
Because "Yay! I'm checking in!" ? |
| 17:53 |
nengard_ |
LOL |
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i know a lot of people wanted this - but it's so so so not for me |
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i jump every time it beeps |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
i agree |
| 18:01 |
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with nengard on that |
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beeping on the checkin/checkout page = eh |
| 18:01 |
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beeping when it does something = good |
| 18:03 |
owen |
Just needs better placement in the template I suspect. |
| 18:06 |
* chris_n |
begins to consider throwing out ubuntu in favor of debian |
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gmcharlt |
chris_n: c'mon, it's what all the cool kids do |
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ebegin |
what is the ETA for 3.2? |
| 18:47 |
* ebegin |
thinking about the fr-CA translation... |
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* owen |
checks his watch |
| 18:48 |
chris_n |
sudo apt-get convert2debian |
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does not seem to work... ;) |
| 18:49 |
ebegin |
lol |
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* jwagner |
snarls -- expletive deleted power just went out. Tiny UPS on my PC won't last but a few minutes.... |
| 18:59 |
owen |
Everyone say your goodbyes to jwagner! |
| 18:59 |
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*sniff* |
| 18:59 |
jwagner |
and jdavidb too |
| 19:00 |
* owen |
waves |
| 19:00 |
* jwagner |
says goodbye. So long, farewell, Auf Weidersehn, good night.... |
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gmcharlt |
alas! |
| 19:01 |
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ebegin: beta first week of march, as close to 1 march as I can manage |
| 19:02 |
owen |
It's like seeing someone in the Matrix die because their body died |
| 19:02 |
gmcharlt |
there will be string changes, but not so many that you can't get started on fr-CA |
| 19:02 |
ebegin |
thanks gmcharlt. |
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| 19:22 |
owen |
Aren't there some circumstances under which you would expect the "found" column in the reserves table to say "F," or am I misremembering? |
| 19:24 |
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Oh, from Reserves.pm: F(inished) : the reserve has been completed, and is done |
| 19:26 |
* chris_n |
resorts to brute force |
| 19:28 |
chris_n |
owen: what does /usr/sbin/mysqld -V on your system say? |
| 19:28 |
owen |
/usr/sbin/mysqld Ver 5.1.37-1ubuntu5.1 for debian-linux-gnu on i486 ((Ubuntu)) |
| 19:29 |
* chris_n |
suddenly remembers that brute force is usually followed by brute stupidity |
| 19:31 |
braedon|work |
should rebuild_zebra remove indexes for biblios removed from the library via the undo import feature? |
| 19:32 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
we like to say there's nothing brute force and ignorance can't fix |
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richard |
hi |
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brendan |
@wunder 93117 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.4�C (11:37 AM PST on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:43 |
gmcharlt |
braedon|work: when a bib is reverted, a zebraqueue entry should get added, and rebuild_zebra.pl -b -z shoudl pick up the delete |
| 19:44 |
braedon|work |
that is what i thought |
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didn |
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't |
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seem to though |
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reverted a batch, imported it again, ran rebuild_zebra -b -v to get the new data in fast, and then left the cron job to handle the cleanup |
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hours later, it finally stops, and still have old results |
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had to run rebuild_zebra.pl -r -b -v to get rid of them |
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should i have waited for the cron jobs to remove the old biblios before importing again eprhaps? |
| 19:47 |
* chris_n |
has had a similar problem |
| 19:48 |
chris_n |
and runs -r always |
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braedon|work |
s/eprhaps/perhaps/ |
| 19:48 |
gmcharlt |
braedon|work: it *ought* to be able to handle it |
| 19:49 |
chris |
morning |
| 19:49 |
gmcharlt |
always running -r after an import is an option, but not one that scales for large databases |
| 19:49 |
chris_n |
heya chris |
| 19:49 |
gmcharlt |
hi chris |
| 19:50 |
owen |
Behold, exciting new details on Bug 4040. |
| 19:50 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4040 normal, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Checking in an already confirmed on-hold item results in duplicate dialogs |
| 19:51 |
chris |
thats way too exciting for friday morning |
| 19:51 |
* chris |
gets more coffee |
| 19:52 |
braedon|work |
gmcharlt: chris_n: -r won't be a problem for our systems, but i wonder what zebraqueue/cron zebra was doing in it's at least 3 hours of using 80% cpu, if not removing biblios |
| 19:53 |
chris |
gmcharlt: im going to update all the .po files today to catch all the template changes, will send a pull request after that |
| 19:53 |
gmcharlt |
ok |
| 19:54 |
* chris_n |
grabs a hammer and heads off to the server room >:-) |
| 19:57 |
braedon|work |
will setting the checked out date for an item in the marc record before import break things? or is koha happy to have items checked out to no one? |
| 19:59 |
cait |
chris: have you seen bug 4208? will updated po files include "buttons"? |
| 19:59 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4208 critical, P1, ---, chrisbigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, Many submit buttons are not translatable in 3.2 |
| 19:59 |
chris |
we'll soon find out |
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i don't know why they disappeared in the first place |
| 20:00 |
cait |
chris: ok thx |
| 20:00 |
chris |
it may be like gmcharlt says, the system breaks if they are translated .. those ones need a bigger fix, or it might be they just got missed |
| 20:01 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
owen! brilliant! thank you for reporting that one with all the details, we've been seeing that too |
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but we have too many variables to narrow it down |
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not to mention a lack of DB level access |
| 20:01 |
cait |
chris: I think this is kind of a blocker in translation - they are in prominent places and my librarians are unhappy |
| 20:01 |
chris |
and you think they used to work? |
| 20:01 |
cait |
I do |
| 20:02 |
chris |
ok, i should be able to get them back without to much difficulty then |
| 20:06 |
cait |
gmcharlt is right, there were buttons in serials that broke when translated and one that kept me from changing message preferences. |
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I think the one in serials is fixed now |
| 20:06 |
chris |
right, those are bigger fixes, the script needs to be made to depend on a hidden input rather than the submit button |
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but not too big |
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| 20:07 |
cait |
but keeping them English is not the right solution I think :) |
| 20:07 |
chris |
nope |
| 20:10 |
chris_n |
whew... back online using InnoDB engine a mere 6 hours later :-P |
| 20:10 |
jwagner |
chris_n, job security? |
| 20:10 |
chris_n |
I don't even think my gps could have plotted that route? |
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hehe |
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the hammer worked |
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owen's observations set me on the solution, but I would *not* recommend using Ubuntu 9.10 for anything Koha atm |
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unless you get there via 9.04 and do a distro upgrade |
| 20:12 |
owen |
*whew* |
| 20:12 |
chris_n |
I had to set all my sources pointed to jaunty |
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completely remove all mysql stuff |
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and install from jaunty |
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then switch my sources back to karmic |
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and then upgrade all mysql stuff |
| 20:13 |
Ropuch |
Evening #koha |
| 20:13 |
chris_n |
at which point I had the current ver w/the InnoDB engine compiled |
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hi Ropuch |
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cait |
hi Ropuch |
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@wunder Konstanz |
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munin |
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chris_n |
@wunder 28334 |
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munin |
chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 10.0�C (2:41 PM EST on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling). |
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brendan |
@wunder 93117 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.5�C (12:12 PM PST on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). |
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chris |
cait: im just trying updating the de po files, ill let you know when its done and you can check them |
| 20:15 |
cait |
chris: ok! :) |
| 20:16 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
owen: we are doing a bug hold debugging/testing stint tomorrow |
| 20:16 |
owen |
Bring painkillers. |
| 20:16 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
iknorite |
| 20:17 |
owen |
right now I'm trying to figure out if items are remaining on the holds queue list because there are still items available to fulfill the hold |
| 20:17 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
of course we have this one giant variable in our system: the selfchecks |
| 20:18 |
* ebegin |
is looking for a SQL request to get the X borrower with the higher number of issues (current and past)... |
| 20:21 |
ebegin |
... and i'm stuck with an Every derived table must have its own alias because of my UNION |
| 20:24 |
* ebegin |
is now unstuck :) |
| 20:25 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
owen: obvious question, this is after regenerating the queue, right? |
| 20:26 |
owen |
wizzyrea_laptop: That's what I fear |
| 20:26 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
hrm. |
| 20:28 |
owen |
Wow "GetItemsAvailableToFillHoldRequestsForBib" is a real mouthful :) |
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moodaepo |
@wunder 56001 |
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munin |
moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -5.0�C (2:15 PM CST on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:32 |
brendan |
hi moodaepo |
| 20:32 |
chris |
cait: http://translate.koha.org/de/ |
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i dunno if it's any better |
| 20:33 |
moodaepo |
brendan: Hey! I was thinking my connection was crapped so relogged into koha...wow it's been quiet today : ) |
| 20:34 |
owen |
gmcharlt still around? |
| 20:34 |
moodaepo |
or maybe the relogin did help? |
| 20:34 |
gmcharlt |
owen: what's up? |
| 20:34 |
owen |
gmcharlt: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]1d3ff4d754c14904b |
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I'm looking at the subquery you added in that commit |
| 20:34 |
brendan |
been busy on #koha channel |
| 20:35 |
cait |
8675 words need attention |
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wow |
| 20:35 |
owen |
gmcharlt: I'm not sure if I'm understanding it all correctly, but I'm concerned that this isn't working right |
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gmcharlt: selecting itemnumbers where itemnumber IS NOT NULL AND (found IS NOT NULL OR priority = 0) is going to exclude items which have been allocated for holds but not made waiting |
| 20:37 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
owen! Yes! this is one of our major bugs I think... |
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that LL was supposed to fix in sept! |
| 20:37 |
owen |
When I check in a hold and confirm it, the itemnumber is added to the line in the reserve table but "found" is still NULL |
| 20:38 |
gmcharlt |
hmm - at that point found should be set to 'W' |
| 20:38 |
owen |
Not before the item has been checked in and confirmed at its destination branch |
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(sorry--need to specify that this is a hold at another branch) |
| 20:39 |
cait |
chris: cant find my examples in po |
| 20:39 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
owen, like this |
| 20:39 |
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http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3595 |
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? |
| 20:39 |
munin |
04Bug 3595: normal, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Items seen at checkin should always go to 1st priority hold |
| 20:39 |
chris |
cait: guess not then :( |
| 20:39 |
gmcharlt |
ah - gotcha |
| 20:39 |
chris |
ill have to look into over the weekend |
| 20:39 |
owen |
I don't know wizzyrea_laptop, I was trying to figure out whether items which have already been allocated for a hold are showing up on the hold queue |
| 20:39 |
gmcharlt |
subquery would then either have to include a join on branchtransfers |
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or perhaps define a new value for found : 'T' |
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meaning that hte item is allocated for a hold but is in transit |
| 20:40 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
I think this might be another side effect |
| 20:40 |
cait |
tell me when I can help you with something |
| 20:40 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
of what you are describing |
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gmcharlt: we have a bug to add that as well |
| 20:41 |
gmcharlt |
the reason why itemnumber not null is not sufficient is the case of item-level hold requests |
| 20:41 |
owen |
Right, I was just figuring that out |
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| 20:41 |
owen |
I always thought there was an interim value for "found" between NULL and W, I guess I was wrong. |
| 20:42 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
bug 3344 |
| 20:42 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3344 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Hold priority list needs additional status for items assigned but not waiting |
| 20:42 |
gmcharlt |
owen: there was, kinda sorta, but that fell apart with item-level requests |
| 20:43 |
Sharon |
I'm a color person - in the OPAC, in transit items are red, available are green. The problem is that items waiting on a holds shelf are green - show as available. CAn these be 'orange' or 'yellow'? |
| 20:43 |
owen |
Sharon: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2655 |
| 20:43 |
munin |
04Bug 2655: major, P2, ---, jmfliblime.com, REOPENED, Items waiting on the hold shelf display as "Available" in OPAC |
| 20:43 |
Sharon |
Also, with the holds priority list, in transit items show up at the top of the holds priority list in a funky order. Can they be pulled and put down at the bottom of the list with a status of 'in transit' similar to the 'waiting' items? |
| 20:44 |
owen |
Sharon I think that makes sense. Is that what bug 3344 is talking about? |
| 20:45 |
Sharon |
owen should I add a comment about my color preference for 2655? ;-) |
| 20:45 |
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yep, that's the other concern. |
| 20:45 |
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good, they're both documented....now just to get fixes! :-) |
| 20:45 |
jwagner |
And just in case it feeds into the whole problem/ solution, see Bug 3792 |
| 20:45 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3792 normal, P3, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Checking out on-hold item to someone else replaces item-level hold with next available |
| 20:46 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
(we try really hard not to do item level holds @ nekls) |
| 20:47 |
owen |
Sharon: are the color issues you're talking about on the search results page or the detail page? |
| 20:47 |
SJeffery |
Is there a way to check what development work is being done on the Z39 record-importation functions? |
| 20:47 |
Sharon |
Unfortunately the Local Holds item type creates/behaves like an item-level hold |
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causing item-level hold confusion and odd behavior |
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owen search results page, where the green available notes and red (3 in transit) notes show up |
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available should mean a patron can go to the shelf and pull the book. |
| 20:49 |
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red means it's in transit |
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yellow means it's not checked out, but most likely will be unless the hold is canceled |
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| 20:50 |
owen |
Yeah that's definitely Bug 2655. I'd make that a blocker for 3.2 if I was in charge. |
| 20:50 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2655 major, P2, ---, jmfliblime.com, REOPENED, Items waiting on the hold shelf display as "Available" in OPAC |
| 20:50 |
Sharon |
or combine on hold and in transit as "unavailable" and put a count next to the results |
| 20:51 |
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owen that bug has bothered us from the beginning |
| 20:51 |
gmcharlt |
owen: your wish is my command |
| 20:51 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
and LL said they would fix it |
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we've harped on it forever with them |
| 20:51 |
* gmcharlt |
looks at the CC list for that bug and goes "meep!" |
| 20:51 |
owen |
I would do that: no need to break out "in transit" and "on hold" if the upshot is that the patron can't find it on the shelf. |
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:D |
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* owen |
is tempted to find a LEK customer and ask them if it's fixed for them |
| 20:52 |
gmcharlt |
Sharon: yes, please add your notes on color preferences to 2655 |
| 20:52 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
the demo on LL site wouldn't have that data? |
| 20:53 |
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it's LEK iir |
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iirc |
| 20:53 |
owen |
Is the LibLime demo now running LEK? |
| 20:53 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
i believe so |
| 20:54 |
Sharon |
will do |
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never mind, I like the idea of having just red and green |
| 20:54 |
owen |
So gmcharlt you agree that it looks like there is a bug in that section of build_holds_queue.pl? |
| 20:55 |
Sharon |
green means on shelf, red means not available physically |
| 20:55 |
gmcharlt |
owen: yes - please file a bug for that or point me to the bug number |
| 20:55 |
owen |
Okay, thanks, I'll file a bug |
| 20:55 |
gmcharlt |
thinking about it a bit more, I think defining a found status of 'T' is the way to go |
| 20:56 |
* wizzyrea_laptop |
hopes that she's right and that a lot of stuff hangs on that |
| 20:56 |
gmcharlt |
but there are ~15 place that I'll need to check |
| 20:56 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
gmcharlt: you need a reserves apprentice |
| 20:59 |
chris |
and then you can yell you're fired at them |
| 20:59 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
O.O |
| 20:59 |
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question about cloning rules in sysprefs |
| 20:59 |
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only the top table clones? not the rest of them |
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? |
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is that a feature or a bug |
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er, cloning rules in system administration, I mean |
| 21:00 |
owen |
smart-rules.pl? |
| 21:00 |
chris |
cait: http://translate.koha.org/de/sysprefs/ |
| 21:01 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
yep |
| 21:01 |
cait |
chris: cool! |
| 21:01 |
chris |
fredericd did all the hardwork |
| 21:01 |
cait |
chris: I m working on translation of installer sql files too, will translate everything you throw in my direction ;) |
| 21:01 |
owen |
wizzyrea_laptop: Yes, it only clones the rules in that one table |
| 21:01 |
chris |
:) |
| 21:02 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
good, ok, it's not just us. So, is that intentional or just incomplete? |
| 21:02 |
owen |
I think that when the cloning process was written there may not have been other tables? |
| 21:03 |
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So I guess incomplete now that rules are more complex and varied. |
| 21:04 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
well... it's new since our production server, and we have the smart rules |
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so I will file it as an enhancement bug, since it's merely annoying that you can't clone the other rules |
| 21:06 |
chris_n |
wizzyrea_laptop: do you also find it annoying to have to re-enter all fields to change an existing rule? |
| 21:07 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
yes, I do, actually |
| 21:07 |
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:) |
| 21:07 |
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but we don't change rules all that often, so it's not SUPER annoying |
| 21:07 |
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just a little annoying. |
| 21:07 |
* chris_n |
was thinking those could be text fields in the table and just pre-populate with rule data |
| 21:07 |
chris_n |
then have an update button to round it off |
| 21:08 |
cait |
chris_n: it is annoying, an update button would be a great enhancement |
| 21:09 |
chris_n |
hdl has some further enhancements to the smart rules which I think he is trying to finish up |
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chris_n |
so maybe that one should be put on the list for 3.4 |
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cait |
just wanted to say that :) Ergonomics of smart-rules and circulation parameters (rfc for 3.2 |
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3.4 ) |
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chris_n |
yup |
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brendan |
.away |
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* chris |
hands brenda a / |
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brendan |
thanks 8) |
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@wunder 93117 |
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munin |
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* braedon|work |
hands chris a n |
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chris |
heh |
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* brendan |
hands chris an n too |
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likes his name |
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chris |
its cos i was talking to brenda on identica at the same time :) |
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braedon|work |
but now he has two n's! |
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brendann? |
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brendan |
ok I retract my n |
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:) |
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http://librarygang.talis.com/ |
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looks like the new library gang podcast is posted |
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featuring nengard and john yokley |
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gmcharlt |
was it recorded before or after 11 February? |
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chris |
heh good question |
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brendan |
I think on the 12th |
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* brendan |
checks nengard calender |
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brendan |
yup friday feb. 12th |
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* chris |
will have to listen ... altho the track record of the podcasts leads me to believe it will be heavily leaning towards proprietary |
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brendan |
always it seems, but at least we've got nengard there |
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chris |
yep |
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brendan |
nengard++ |
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chris |
listening now |
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brendan |
me too |
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oh man not too many ops on channel |
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cait |
I listened to it earlier today, but did not understand everything |
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chris |
yeah we need thd to wander in |
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brendan |
going to need si back or get thd-away to promote some peeps |
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ah si is here maybe he can work his magic again |
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chris |
only way for him to get ops, is to bump us all off |
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we need thd-away |
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richard |
yep it's all reliant on him |
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chris |
ohhh interesting |
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"at this point" |
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brendan |
yeah I caught that too |
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chris |
i wonder if that means they are gonna try to buy liblime again later |
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the way they pronounce Koha makes my ears hurt |
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*sigh* |
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brendan |
that be a loud *sigh* |
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schuster |
who buy LibLime? PTFS? I heard a rumor that it isn't a dead possibility. |
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brendan |
schuster were are listening to http://librarygang.talis.com/ |
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chris |
well from the horses mouth, john yokley said we couldnt complete the deal at this point |
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schuster |
at this point. |
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chris |
exactly |
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formal governance |
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lol |
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i hope nicole pounds that out of the court |
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chris |
wow, i cant understand a word frances is saying |
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cait |
ok, so its not just my bad english g |
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chris |
no, really bad sound levels |
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chris_n |
"re-ignition"... nice word |
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brendan |
yeah hard to hear fances |
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chris_n |
lots of artifacts in her audio |
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chris |
yeah |
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brendan |
nice word artifacts |
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chris_n |
it comes from heavy compression iirc |
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heh, I get a 404 error when clicking on Talin Bingham's link |
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chris |
heh |
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brendan |
talin sounds like such a serious name |
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chris |
wow, what a weird question |
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chris_n |
which? |
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chris |
the commercial vs community |
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one, from richard |
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chris_n |
Yokley must be drawing from his recent survey |
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braedon|work |
brendan: talin sounds like a sci-fi name |
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brendan |
"had to concur with nicole on that" you go nengard++ |
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* chris_n |
imagines a predator |
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* masonj |
waves from kapiti |
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chris |
hiya masonj |
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* chris_n |
waves back |
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brendan |
hiya mason |
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masonj |
heya, weather is sweet out here |
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chris_n |
bbl |
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chris |
this is really interesting |
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chris |
round the 34 min mark |
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so much focus on governance, so much lack of understanding on how that could logistically work |
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chris |
hiya Jo |
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Jo |
Listening to Library Gand 2.0 talking about open source library systems: nice putting a voice to Nicole Engard, John Yokley |
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Hi Chris |
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http://bit.ly/bswzhX |
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chris |
yeah we were all just discussing it |
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Jo |
6 developers Chris - really! Thats astounding. |
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chris |
well it'll be 4 pretty shortly |
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srdjan is working on a patch now |
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Jo |
very cool |
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brendan |
hi Jo |
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chris |
PTFS second largest vendor? |
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i take issue with that |
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god damn i hate marketing |
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i can think of at least 7 metrics where they are 2nd smallest |
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Jo |
hi Brerndan |
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chris |
interesting podcast tho |
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Jo |
can someone flick me a link to todays irc log |
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wish I could navigate that wiki .... |
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chris |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today |
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Jo |
thanks |
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chris |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/ko[…]ommits_by_domains would be my answer to John |
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chris |
heck collum_ has 4.7 many patches :) |
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collum_ |
huh? |
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* chris |
knew that would confuse ya :) |
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brendan |
heh - first time colloquy has crashed on me |
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gmcharlt |
collum_: you're evidently 4.7 defense contractors large ;) |
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collum_ |
It's not difficult. |
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chris |
:-) |
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sekjal |
I'm not sure "large" is the best adjective to market a Koha vendor |
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"large" brings to mind corporate, and cold, and uncaring. |
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I'd prefer a vendor that really cared about me and my institution. |
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Jo |
(if my boss could see me know I'd get slapped. impossible to type and listen to this .... |
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sitting here gazing into space listening and thinking |
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chris |
sekjal: yep |
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Jo |
maybe its the accents that means i have to concentrate so hard |
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brendan |
we don't have accents :) |
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chris |
bbiab |
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Jo |
Frances sounds like she's talking under the ocean - I just can't make ouit the words at all |
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brendan :) |
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collum_ |
Ah. Just reading the logs. I haven't listened yet. It just downloaded to my itunes a few minutes ago. |
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sekjal |
I've got to grab me a copy of the referenced podcast |
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would that my phone could just listen through the browser, but no |
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well, that's a project for later. Now I must get myself out of the office, grab some dinner, and prepare for tomorrow mornings upgrade |
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goodnight, all |
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moodaepo |
@wunder 56001 |
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munin |
moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -5.0�C (4:55 PM CST on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Falling). |
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braedon|work |
@wunder tauranga nz |
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munin |
braedon|work: The current temperature in Tauranga Aerodrome Aws, New Zealand is 22.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on February 19, 2010). Conditions: . Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004 hPa (Rising). |
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cait |
@wunder konstanz |
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brendan |
@wunder 93117 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.5�C (3:08 PM PST on February 18, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Steady). |
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cait |
@wunder konstanz |
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moodaepo |
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cait |
ok, time to sleep here - bye #koha |
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chris |
back |
