| Time |
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| 00:08 |
chris |
ah chris_n ... you will never escape from the spine lables |
| 00:10 |
* chris_n |
looks |
| 00:11 |
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never likes to take credit for another person's work |
| 00:12 |
chris |
:) |
| 00:12 |
chris_n |
hmmm... kyle did the quick spine label |
| 00:12 |
chris |
ahh might like to reply and say that |
| 00:13 |
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poor daniel, i suspect he is pretty much screwed |
| 00:13 |
* chris_n |
crafts a response... |
| 00:15 |
masonj |
i recall a one-line regex to remove those blank lines.. |
| 00:18 |
chris |
i love dh-make-perl --cpan |
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| 00:29 |
owen-away |
Did I hear that correctly? LibLime is refusing to provide support for a LEK feature? |
| 00:29 |
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| 00:29 |
brendan |
fly-by owen |
| 00:30 |
chris |
you heard correctly |
| 00:30 |
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they phrased it unable ... but it realy means unwilling |
| 00:31 |
owen |
How could they even justify "unable?!" |
| 00:31 |
chris |
cos they have no developers? |
| 00:32 |
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there really are 2 options |
| 00:32 |
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1/ they dont have the skills to provide support they are paid to provide |
| 00:33 |
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2/ they dont have the desire to provide support they are paid to provide |
| 00:33 |
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both suck |
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| 00:34 |
owen |
I'm surprised they would even come out and say, "you know, we're just not going to support that feature." |
| 00:34 |
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What a big "screw you" |
| 00:34 |
chris |
thats their standard line for anything not written in house |
| 00:34 |
* owen |
is astonished how far things have come |
| 00:34 |
chris |
yeah its pretty mind boggling |
| 00:34 |
brendan |
*nods* |
| 00:37 |
owen |
These folks coming to the Koha list, whether they're LEK or Koha Express, how can any solution offered by the list even be of use to them? They don't have the power to apply any fixes. |
| 00:37 |
chris |
yeah thats the hard part, there isnt anything we can do |
| 00:38 |
brendan |
except tell them that is fixed and he's the code |
| 00:38 |
chris |
yeah |
| 00:38 |
brendan |
s/he's/here's |
| 00:39 |
owen |
In the end offering the solution helps us more (in good will) than it helps them (practically speaking) |
| 00:39 |
chris |
*nod* |
| 00:39 |
brendan |
ditto |
| 00:40 |
* chris_n |
goes away to cool off for a bit |
| 00:40 |
brendan |
hoping that those who find the fix are able to take the next step... whatever that is |
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nengard |
chris_n++ |
| 00:44 |
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you rock!!! |
| 00:44 |
brendan |
hiya nengard |
| 00:46 |
CGI008 |
Hi all new to Koha /wave |
| 00:46 |
chris |
hi CGI008 |
| 00:46 |
brendan |
hi CGI008 |
| 00:47 |
CGI008 |
May I ask a question ; ) |
| 00:47 |
chris |
yep |
| 00:47 |
brendan |
:) |
| 00:47 |
CGI008 |
Does Koha have users and group permissions? |
| 00:47 |
chris |
has user permissions |
| 00:48 |
CGI008 |
As in a way to hide the Delete funtion I keep seeing all over the place |
| 00:48 |
* imp |
still wonders if he should fill a bugreport for this or not -> http://pastebin.ca/1789468 |
| 00:48 |
owen |
CGI008: Delete bibliographic records? |
| 00:48 |
brendan |
for your reference CGI008 --> here's a link to a manual for koha --> http://koha-community.org/docu[…]ation/3-2-manual/ |
| 00:49 |
chris |
yes if you log in as a user without the cataloguing permission you cant delete bibliographic material |
| 00:51 |
CGI008 |
How would you set that type of permission, on a user account? |
| 00:51 |
chris |
its all in that manual :) |
| 00:51 |
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2 secs |
| 00:52 |
brendan |
http://koha-community.org/docu[…]-manual/?ch=x5118 |
| 00:52 |
CGI008 |
Ok sorry Noob here /bow |
| 00:52 |
chris |
http://koha-community.org/docu[…]-manual/?ch=x5118 |
| 00:52 |
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ahh beat me ;) |
| 00:52 |
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no worries, we dont have a good search yet, when we do, finding things like that will be easier in the manual |
| 00:53 |
brendan |
this is the best place for noob's |
| 00:53 |
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faster than email - especially when chris is around |
| 00:54 |
CGI008 |
Thank you both, Chris and Brendan : ) |
| 00:57 |
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Whats the best time to login here? |
| 01:01 |
owen |
Almost any time of day, but US business hours cover the end of Europe's day and the beginning of New Zealand's. |
| 01:01 |
imp |
CGI008: this channel is really international, so it doesn't matter that much ;) |
| 01:01 |
owen |
That gives you a good chance of catching somebody |
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| 01:08 |
chris |
nice email owen |
| 01:09 |
owen |
Thanks. |
| 01:10 |
chris |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v[…]M&feature=related <-- chill out music |
| 01:10 |
* owen |
goes back to IRL |
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| 02:01 |
schuster_home |
problem continues... I'm still having problems getting PDF::API2::Simple to work I keep getting an error |
| 02:01 |
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won't make running test |
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| 02:08 |
chris_n |
schuster_home: what are the errors the tests throw? |
| 02:09 |
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| 02:10 |
schuster_home |
http://mibpaste.com/oC4zag |
| 02:11 |
chris_n |
hmm... nothing there? |
| 02:12 |
schuster_home |
http://mibpaste.com/Ug5vpM - sorry I always mess that up |
| 02:12 |
chris_n |
try this |
| 02:12 |
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cd /root/.cpan/build/PDF-API2-Simple-1.1.4-GmvWkM |
| 02:13 |
schuster_home |
I tried to download the file and extract it, but it won't extract from the download. |
| 02:13 |
chris_n |
then 'make test' |
| 02:13 |
schuster_home |
ok |
| 02:13 |
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make: *** No rule to make target `test'. Stop. |
| 02:13 |
masonj |
doesnt install for me either, on lenny.. |
| 02:13 |
chris_n |
ok |
| 02:13 |
schuster_home |
that's what I have... |
| 02:14 |
chris_n |
'perl Makefile.PL' |
| 02:14 |
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then 'make' |
| 02:14 |
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then 'make test' |
| 02:14 |
schuster_home |
Can't locate inc/Module/Install.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at Makefile.PL line 1. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Makefile.PL line 1. |
| 02:15 |
chris_n |
wierdness indeed |
| 02:15 |
schuster_home |
masonj - thanks for making me feel not so stupid! |
| 02:16 |
chris_n |
well, you can 'cd ~' and then try 'cpan Module::Install' |
| 02:16 |
masonj |
w00t, success ;) |
| 02:17 |
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i had to do a ' 'cpan Module::Install' too... |
| 02:17 |
* chris_n |
thought Module::Install was core... |
| 02:18 |
masonj |
http://pastebin.com/m438253de |
| 02:18 |
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yeah, pass |
| 02:19 |
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and this too ' cpan Archive::Tar ' |
| 02:19 |
schuster_home |
ok will try anything once or twice... ;) |
| 02:20 |
masonj |
then, rm -rf /var/spool/cpan/build/PDF-API2-Simple* |
| 02:20 |
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then, cpan PDF::API2::Simple |
| 02:20 |
chris_n |
could it be that your cpan was not setup to auto follow deps? |
| 02:22 |
masonj |
my box prompts for deps, and wasnt fetching Module::Install |
| 02:22 |
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i had to get it manually, not sure why |
| 02:24 |
chris_n |
it turns out that Module::Install is not core, but I don't remember having to fetch it before |
| 02:27 |
masonj |
yep, me too :) |
| 02:28 |
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yet cpan kinda assumes it should be installed by default |
| 02:29 |
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and doesnt fetch it as a dep |
| 02:29 |
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which is a bit of a fail, i guess |
| 02:30 |
schuster_home |
running an OLD laptop so things are a bit slower here... thanks for the clues. |
| 03:04 |
chris_n |
g'night #koha |
| 03:04 |
chris |
cya chris_n |
| 03:36 |
schuster_home |
Brendan - read an article from Amy Terlaga today in Computers in Libraries - your name/company was mentioned several times... |
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| 03:44 |
Amit |
heya brendan |
| 03:57 |
brendan |
hi amit |
| 03:57 |
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hey schuster_home thanks - yeah that was a nice article by Amy |
| 04:07 |
schuster_home |
Thanks again chris_n and masonj - I believe I will have a working copy of 3.2 to play with in the next day!! If the work gods don't get in the way. |
| 04:08 |
masonj |
always as pleasure david ;) |
| 04:10 |
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s/as/a/ |
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| 04:22 |
Genji |
hiya all. is there a way to do two zebra queries, and combine the results, then pass it to the results display system, so the offet works correctly? |
| 04:32 |
Amit |
heya mason, genji |
| 04:33 |
Genji |
hey Amit.. you have any idea? |
| 04:34 |
Amit |
Genji: i can't get u ur question |
| 04:35 |
Genji |
is there a way to do two zebra queries, and combine the results, then pass it to the results display system, so the offet works correctly? i notice getRecords can get more than one search done, but it shoves the results into seperate rows of the results array. |
| 04:36 |
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i want to run two zebra queries, and have them both shoved into the same results. |
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Topic for #koha is now Discussion channel for the Koha ILS | Next general IRC meeting at 11:00 UTC on 9 Feb 2010 |
| 07:38 |
Ropuch |
And I need to carry them inside |
| 07:38 |
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@wunder Worclaw |
| 07:38 |
munin |
Ropuch: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 07:38 |
Ropuch |
@wunder Wroclaw |
| 07:38 |
munin |
Ropuch: The current temperature in Wroclaw, Poland is -9.0�C (8:00 AM CET on February 09, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:38 |
kf |
we have software training all day, will not be here for the meeting :( |
| 07:38 |
Ropuch |
And it's no time in this temperature |
| 07:40 |
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I mean: no fun ;> |
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| 07:41 |
imp |
at least interesting books? |
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| 07:47 |
Ropuch |
imp: Yup, DAAD bought them for us |
| 07:47 |
kf |
:) |
| 07:48 |
Ropuch |
Big money, but after aquiring 6k of Jochimsen's books I'm not really sure if I have place for them ;> |
| 07:49 |
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I don'rt really want to think when i manage to catalog them all, as I'm alone here |
| 07:49 |
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boogie: go conquer youtube, we don't care |
| 07:49 |
boogie |
they wont let me put that on youtube |
| 07:51 |
Ropuch |
OK, see you all at the meeting |
| 07:51 |
imp |
cya |
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boogie |
what times this meeting? |
| 07:54 |
Ropuch |
Your computer class should end by then |
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imp |
\o/ |
| 08:00 |
chris |
and thats the last of them for now |
| 08:01 |
imp |
hope they don't come back... |
| 08:01 |
chris |
yeah, i wish we had access to koha.org, i would remove that cgi-irc script |
| 08:02 |
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i think they should be blocked now |
| 08:02 |
si |
two hours till meeting? |
| 08:02 |
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just running apt updates on the irc server |
| 08:02 |
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it might restart on us |
| 08:02 |
imp |
think it's 3h ahead, or? |
| 08:03 |
chris |
yeah 3 hours |
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si |
ahh, midnight NZDT |
| 08:03 |
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three hours then |
| 08:03 |
chris |
(That cgi is me, have no fear) |
| 08:03 |
imp |
puhhh |
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:D |
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si |
well |
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si |
that was predictable |
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si |
chris: somebody should have ops now :-) |
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chris |
yep genji does |
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Genji |
wow.. i have the power! |
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| 08:07 |
chris |
thanks :) |
| 08:07 |
Genji |
Can i keep the power? |
| 08:07 |
chris |
sure can |
| 08:07 |
Genji |
Cool. |
| 08:07 |
chris |
more ppl that have it, less likely we are to end up with no one having it |
| 08:07 |
Genji |
okay, nows a good time to ask an esoteric question? |
| 08:08 |
chris |
go for it |
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Genji |
i want to run two zebra queries, and have them both shoved into the same results arrayhash. the current implementation of getRecords can do seperate server iterations, doing more than one search at a time. but it puts each resultset in its own element of the resultarray hash. i want the two zebra queries combined into one resultshash, so the ofsetting subroutine can offset correctly. |
| 08:10 |
chris |
yeah, you are gonna have to write some code to combine those 2 |
| 08:11 |
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or, use pazpar2 |
| 08:11 |
masonj |
Genji: fyi cgi::irc encodes your IP address in its user-string, so its not really anonymous |
| 08:12 |
si |
righto, can somebody test that CGI now |
| 08:12 |
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should be blocked at the iptables level now |
| 08:12 |
* chris |
tries |
| 08:12 |
si |
actually, no it won't |
| 08:12 |
* si |
slaps forehead |
| 08:12 |
si |
test it anyway, it'll be a good baseline |
| 08:13 |
chris |
yeah, connected to the server, the ban stopped it joining the channel |
| 08:13 |
Genji |
i figure im going to have to, but what values in the hash are independant of the actual results, that i have to account for the combining process? 'hits' is one correct? |
| 08:13 |
chris |
Genji: checkout pazGetRecords |
| 08:13 |
Genji |
is there any other? |
| 08:13 |
chris |
in C4::Search.pm |
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| 08:14 |
si |
yup |
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I'd added a rule to allow irc |
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but not one to block from that IP |
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try it now |
| 08:14 |
chris |
righto |
| 08:14 |
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yeah that got it |
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sweet thanks si |
| 08:15 |
si |
no problemo |
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have a good meeting, all |
| 08:15 |
chris |
ta |
| 08:15 |
Genji |
chris: is 'hits' the only value outside of the actual result set? |
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| 08:16 |
chris |
no idea, ive never actually used it |
| 08:16 |
Genji |
hmm.. never dug into the workings of getRecords? |
| 08:16 |
chris |
only enough to want to burn it and rewrite it |
| 08:17 |
Genji |
hha |
| 08:17 |
chris |
(which we will do for 3.4) |
| 08:17 |
Genji |
haha.. fantastic. |
| 08:18 |
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hmm.. how come we don't have a bot inside #koha that will keep the ops, if all the current ops leave, or become inactive/ |
| 08:18 |
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? |
| 08:18 |
imp |
just don't leave ;) |
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| 08:19 |
chris |
Genji: invariably the bot falls off too |
| 08:19 |
* Genji |
hrms.... "think i'll set up a ncurses irc client on my work devel box.. and shove it in a screen process.. yup.. that'll work. |
| 08:19 |
chris |
the trick is just to have enough ppl in different parts of the world so that they dont all fall off at the same time :) |
| 08:20 |
Genji |
how is it that we don't have an op bot intergrated serverside? |
| 08:20 |
chris |
cos thats a pita |
| 08:20 |
Genji |
pita? |
| 08:20 |
chris |
pain in the a |
| 08:21 |
Genji |
ah. |
| 08:21 |
imp |
maybe someone can restore the topic? :) |
| 08:21 |
chris |
the only time we ever get trouble is from lame kids using the cgi-irc script |
| 08:21 |
Genji |
ya.. sure.. |
| 08:21 |
chris |
which is now blocked at ip level |
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so we should be ok again |
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| 08:22 |
imp |
:) |
| 08:22 |
Genji |
yay! my name at the top of the channel, when anyone comes in. |
| 08:22 |
chris |
heh |
| 08:23 |
Genji |
okay, back soon. coffee... |
| 08:23 |
imp |
nope, chris is the first here ;) |
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chris |
when you join you will see the topic and it will say "set by Genji" |
| 08:27 |
imp |
thought about the /names ;) |
| 08:40 |
Genji |
so.. im doing something so.. esoteric, that its unlikely anyone knows how to do it? |
| 08:41 |
chris |
no one has tried to do it before |
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chris |
but the way to do it is by using pazpar2 |
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which is a federated search tool (ie to be used to search multiple targets) |
| 08:42 |
Genji |
and then it can be handed to search.pl for ofsetting? |
| 08:43 |
chris |
yep |
| 08:43 |
Genji |
hmmmmm... |
| 08:44 |
* rach |
just realises she missed a meeting today - sorry chris |
| 08:44 |
chris |
pazpar2 can do things like remove duplicates, and relevance rank etc |
| 08:44 |
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nope wasnt today rach |
| 08:44 |
Genji |
hey rach! |
| 08:44 |
chris |
its next week :) |
| 08:44 |
rach |
ah well that's alright then :-) |
| 08:44 |
Genji |
good seeing you alive! |
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chris |
midnight tonight is a general irc meeting, but next tuesday morning is the kohacon one |
| 08:45 |
rach |
not dead yet - just feel like it some mornings :-) |
| 08:45 |
Genji |
well. with a meeting at midnight, who wouldnt... |
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rach |
my baby has stoped her very civil 5 hrs sleep, feed, 5 hrs sleep routine |
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and gone back to waking every 3-4 hours which is much less civil |
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and sometimes is awake for 1.5-2 hrs @ about 3am |
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* rach |
could probably make a meeting then :-) |
| 08:48 |
rach |
so I tend to be a bit dozy in the mornings |
| 08:48 |
Genji |
oh... congrats.. i think... |
| 08:50 |
rach |
:-) |
| 08:50 |
Amit |
heya rach |
| 08:51 |
rach |
howdy |
| 08:51 |
Genji |
pazGetRecords uses zebra? |
| 08:52 |
hdl_laptop |
pazpar2 |
| 08:52 |
chris |
nope uses pazpar2 |
| 08:52 |
Genji |
pazpar2 uses zebra? |
| 08:54 |
chris |
pazpar2 uses pazpar2 |
| 08:55 |
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http://www.indexdata.com/pazpar2 |
| 08:55 |
Genji |
how does pazpar2 get the koha data? |
| 08:56 |
chris |
you tell it what targets to search |
| 08:57 |
Genji |
ahh .. connects to zebra via z39.50. |
| 08:57 |
* rach |
heads off to work on her sleep dep problem |
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thd-away is now known as thd |
| 09:03 |
Genji |
hey, i havent received a message since saturday, on koha-devel... has anyone else? |
| 09:07 |
chris |
none in the archives |
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Genji |
50 minutes.. |
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imp |
Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /root/koha/C4/Biblio.pm line 2026. |
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(latest git) |
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tried to add a new marc record |
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hmm |
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strange, went back to the page with all the fields, clicked save again and now i got: Can't call method "as_usmarc" on an undefined value at /root/koha/C4/Search.pm line 2367. |
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hdl_laptop |
imp when you have a bad MARC in your search results, it braks the page. |
| 11:04 |
Amit_G |
hi nengard, jwagner |
| 11:05 |
jwagner |
Good morning. We do have an IRC meeting now, don't we? |
| 11:05 |
nengard |
thought so |
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hdl_laptop |
hi all |
| 11:05 |
imp |
heyho :) |
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Amit_G |
heya imp, hdl |
| 11:06 |
imp |
hdl_laptop: meeting first, problems later? |
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hdl_laptop |
yes |
| 11:06 |
imp |
:) |
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* slef |
nominates nengard to chair |
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nengard |
slef is nuts |
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nengard is still in bed |
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trying to think straight |
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* jwagner |
wanders off in search of caffiene |
| 11:08 |
slef |
on IRC, no-one can see you snooze |
| 11:08 |
nengard |
fine - meeting called to order - please announce yourself |
| 11:08 |
* nengard |
Nicole C. Engard ByWater Solutions |
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* imp |
Martin Janitschke, CCC Hannover |
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thd |
Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
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owen |
Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library |
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Colin |
Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe |
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davi |
Davi Diaz, worker for software.coop |
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fredericd |
F. Demians, Tamil |
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jwagner |
Jane Wagner, PTFS |
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hdl_laptop |
Henri-Damien LAURENT, BibLibre SARL |
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magnus |
Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 11:10 |
slef |
MJ Ray, member of software.coop |
| 11:10 |
* Genji |
is Waylon Robertson, private library in Mandumah.com |
| 11:10 |
pmlozeau |
Patrick M. Lozeau, inLibro, Canada |
| 11:11 |
Amit_G |
Amit Gupta Nucsoft Osslabs |
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chris_n |
Chris Nighswonger FBC |
| 11:11 |
nengard |
okay- I didn't see gmcharlt - but here is the first agenda item ... |
| 11:11 |
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Update on Roadmap to 3.2. |
| 11:11 |
* gmcharlt |
here |
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nengard |
okay - floor is yours |
| 11:12 |
gmcharlt |
3.2 alpha is out |
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* Ropuch |
= Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE, Poland |
| 11:12 |
* gmcharlt |
= Galen Charlton, RM (for the record) |
| 11:13 |
gmcharlt |
as of now, I count 21 blockers |
| 11:13 |
Genji |
gmcharlt++ |
| 11:13 |
nengard |
gmcharlt, 21 blockers with no patches? |
| 11:13 |
gmcharlt |
I'm working on 4141, completing and testing the upgrade path from 3.0.x |
| 11:13 |
nengard |
or do some have untested patches |
| 11:14 |
gmcharlt |
some have patches, many don't yet |
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+ there are two more that need to be added as blockers |
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creating a translation mechanism for the new syspref editor |
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and bug 3756 |
| 11:15 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3756 blocker, P5, ---, pianohacker gmail.com, ASSIGNED, new sys prefs - no way to add a new local use preference |
| 11:16 |
gmcharlt |
so to do a quick poll of active contributors |
| 11:16 |
* masonj |
running a little late |
| 11:16 |
masonj |
hi all |
| 11:16 |
gmcharlt |
is there anything pending that isn't submitted yet? |
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I'm aware of the circulation sounds, to be in 3.2 by popular demand, which Darrell is working on |
| 11:17 |
thd |
yes but I have been in great pain |
| 11:17 |
gmcharlt |
thd: sorry to here that |
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*hear |
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is a MARC21 framework update in the offing? |
| 11:18 |
thd |
yes but I need some days to work on that |
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| 11:18 |
nengard |
gmcharlt i was wondering if bug 1997 could make it into 3.2 |
| 11:18 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1997 enhancement, P3, ---, nengardgmail.com, NEW, sys pref to Edit no results found page |
| 11:18 |
thd |
I have lost much of the past three weeks to back pain |
| 11:18 |
nengard |
:( |
| 11:19 |
thd |
I have now seen a doctor but I have much to catch up to |
| 11:19 |
gmcharlt |
nengard: probably not - I see no submitted patch for that |
| 11:19 |
nengard |
gmcharlt - i meant i know what i want to do and could write it today - but didn't cause of the freeze |
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sorry |
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still asleep - if i submit a patch today would that work - or should i wait |
| 11:20 |
gmcharlt |
you can do it, but it will get put in future - I'm trying to keep new features down to just what I've mentioned in my koha-devel posting + circ sounds |
| 11:20 |
nengard |
makes sense |
| 11:20 |
hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: I have some bugfix patches I should resend. |
| 11:21 |
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: please do - I wasn't sure of the resolution of the 17 and 3 patches you sent on 2/5 |
| 11:21 |
masonj |
i have some recent fixes to the report-scheduler, its currently busted, i think |
| 11:21 |
chris_n |
gmcharlt: there may be some futher tweaks to the patron card and label tools, but nothing major here |
| 11:21 |
gmcharlt |
as a reminder, there's a general bugsquashing tomorrow |
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| 11:23 |
masonj |
roger that |
| 11:23 |
gmcharlt |
some of the blockers appear to be pretty straightforward, so I think we can get many of them fixed tomorrow |
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also, I reiterate nengard's call to comb through your bugs and close everything that has been resolved |
| 11:24 |
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at this rate, I think we have a decent chance of achieving beta around 3/1 |
| 11:24 |
nengard |
there were a lot of bugs that didn't have a patch sent status that had patches - so please make sure you keep your bugs up to date |
| 11:24 |
chris_n |
nengard++ #for bug wrangling |
| 11:25 |
gmcharlt |
nengard++ |
| 11:25 |
hdl_laptop |
nengard++ |
| 11:25 |
gmcharlt |
so .... any questions about 3.2? |
| 11:25 |
jwagner |
If beta around 3/1, what's the target for release? |
| 11:26 |
thd |
jwagner: after you submit patches for all remaining bugs :0 |
| 11:26 |
slef |
One slightly OT question: please can we use ISO dates YYYY-MM-DD instead of the confusing national forms? |
| 11:27 |
hdl_laptop |
slef: for what ? |
| 11:27 |
gmcharlt |
pending no surprising big blockers and good progress by the translaters, mid-to-end of March |
| 11:27 |
slef |
hdl_laptop: discussion of release dates. |
| 11:28 |
* gmcharlt |
reveals that 3/1 = 3 January 2010 -- not! |
| 11:28 |
gmcharlt |
any other questions for 3.2? |
| 11:28 |
hdl_laptop |
1st, March |
| 11:28 |
nengard |
if there are no other 3.2 questions then on to #2 - Update on Koha 3.0 Roadmap - from hdl_laptop |
| 11:28 |
slef |
yes, that one is obvious although slower to read, but not all are like that |
| 11:29 |
gmcharlt |
yes, hdl_laptop, please go ahead |
| 11:29 |
hdl_laptop |
well, I should release 3.0.6 quite soon. |
| 11:30 |
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We just discovered some embarassing bugs that we are coping. And they are quite serious. |
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So would be released next week. |
| 11:31 |
slef |
hdl_laptop: bug numbers? |
| 11:31 |
hdl_laptop |
4116 |
| 11:31 |
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for instance. |
| 11:31 |
chris_n |
bug 4116 |
| 11:31 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4116 critical, P5, ---, henridamienkoha-fr.org, NEW, results from cataloging search is different from advanced search results |
| 11:32 |
slef |
so are they all rel_3_0 and critical or higher? |
| 11:32 |
chris_n |
beat me to it :-) |
| 11:32 |
hdl_laptop |
yes. |
| 11:32 |
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But not all of them declared as of now |
| 11:33 |
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they were declared in french first. |
| 11:33 |
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: is the French bugs database publicly available, for French speakers and those who could make do with machine translation? |
| 11:35 |
hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: one would have to ask for an account. But it is online |
| 11:35 |
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suivi.biblibre.com |
| 11:35 |
gmcharlt |
anybody can request an account? |
| 11:36 |
hdl_laptop |
yes. |
| 11:36 |
gmcharlt |
would you have any objection to having it be linked from koha-community.org and the like? |
| 11:37 |
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anyway, apologies for the digression - are there any more questions about 3.0.x? |
| 11:38 |
nengard |
if not - are there any follow up items from the last meeting (#3 on the agenda) |
| 11:39 |
gmcharlt |
if, not, then lets move on to 3.4 roles |
| 11:39 |
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http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]elopment:roles3.4 |
| 11:39 |
nengard |
agenda item #4 it is |
| 11:39 |
fredericd |
gmcharlt: reading back... I will do a new syspref translation script... |
| 11:39 |
thd |
Proposals are still pending as they had been last time |
| 11:39 |
gmcharlt |
fredericd++ |
| 11:40 |
thd |
fredericd++ |
| 11:40 |
nengard |
fredericd++ |
| 11:40 |
chris_n |
fredericd++ |
| 11:40 |
fredericd |
new syspref editor++ |
| 11:40 |
nengard |
heck yeah!!! |
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new syspref editor++ |
| 11:41 |
gmcharlt |
and speaking of proposals, I've tossed my name into the ring for module mainainer for cataloging and search |
| 11:41 |
nengard |
does module maintainer mean the person bugs are assigned to? |
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or something else? |
| 11:41 |
thd |
gmcharlt++ |
| 11:41 |
chris_n |
yup |
| 11:41 |
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gmcharlt++ |
| 11:41 |
nengard |
gmcharlt++ |
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we needed a new person on search since search bugs are being ignored |
| 11:42 |
gmcharlt |
nengard: that, but also (as I see it) reponsibility for mainitaining a tree and vetting patches releveant to that module |
| 11:42 |
nengard |
awesome |
| 11:42 |
gmcharlt |
so anyway, several positions have both proposals and no other candiates, so I move that we vote on the following: |
| 11:42 |
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Nicole Engard as Documentation Manager |
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Zeno Tajoli as DB documentar |
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Colin Campbell as QA manager |
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Chris Nighswonger as 3.2 Release Maintainer |
| 11:43 |
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so to take them in the order listed |
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nengard: any statement you want to make before we vote? |
| 11:44 |
nengard |
gmcharlt i thought i was doc manager until I fell down - so i'm willing and able to stay your doc manager until that time :) |
| 11:44 |
thd |
nengard++ |
| 11:44 |
gmcharlt |
nengard++ |
| 11:44 |
chris_n |
nengard++ |
| 11:44 |
imp |
nengard++ |
| 11:44 |
masonj |
nengard++ |
| 11:44 |
magnus |
nengard++ |
| 11:45 |
kf |
nengard++ |
| 11:45 |
hdl_laptop |
nengard++ |
| 11:45 |
fredericd |
nengard++ |
| 11:45 |
Colin |
nengard++ |
| 11:45 |
thd |
nengard we will catch you if you fall |
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owen |
nengard++ |
| 11:45 |
gmcharlt |
ok, I think that settles it |
| 11:45 |
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next, Zeno |
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tajoli isn't here, but as far as I know he's still wiling, so I move that we accept him as DB documentor for 3.4 |
| 11:46 |
chris_n |
+1 |
| 11:46 |
kf |
+1 |
| 11:46 |
hdl_laptop |
+1 |
| 11:46 |
Ropuch |
+1 |
| 11:46 |
nengard |
+1 |
| 11:46 |
owen |
+1 |
| 11:46 |
fredericd |
+1 |
| 11:46 |
imp |
+1 |
| 11:46 |
magnus |
+1 |
| 11:46 |
masonj |
+1 |
| 11:47 |
thd |
tajoli++ |
| 11:47 |
gmcharlt |
ok, hearing no objection - done |
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next up |
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Colin: any statement? |
| 11:48 |
Genji |
okay, i gotta crash. wahts the log url? |
| 11:48 |
Colin |
Just that I think its important we look at making the source more useable we want more developers |
| 11:49 |
gmcharlt |
Genji: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ |
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tajoli |
sorry for dealy |
| 11:49 |
gmcharlt |
hi tajoli - we've just confirmed you as DB documentor for 3.4 |
| 11:49 |
tajoli |
thanks |
| 11:49 |
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Do you need extra info ? |
| 11:49 |
gmcharlt |
ok, I move that we vote on Colin Campbell as QA Manager for 3.4 |
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tajoli: no, I think we're fine at the moment |
| 11:50 |
masonj |
hiya zeno :) |
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slef |
back |
| 11:51 |
thd |
Colin++ |
| 11:51 |
nengard |
okay - back on track |
| 11:51 |
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let's vote on Colin |
| 11:51 |
imp |
+1 |
| 11:51 |
magnus |
+1 |
| 11:51 |
nengard |
+1 |
| 11:51 |
Genji |
+1 |
| 11:51 |
owen |
+1 |
| 11:51 |
chris_n |
+1 |
| 11:51 |
hdl_laptop |
+1 |
| 11:51 |
gmcharlt |
+1 |
| 11:51 |
Ropuch |
+1 |
| 11:51 |
kf |
+1 |
| 11:51 |
slef |
0 |
| 11:51 |
davi |
0 |
| 11:52 |
masonj |
+1 |
| 11:52 |
owen |
0 = abstention or downvote? |
| 11:52 |
davi |
abstention |
| 11:52 |
slef |
stand-aside |
| 11:52 |
tajoli |
+1 on Colin Campbell |
| 11:52 |
slef |
owen: -1 is downvote |
| 11:52 |
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AIUI |
| 11:53 |
gmcharlt |
(http://httpd.apache.org/dev/voting.html) |
| 11:53 |
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ok, I think that settles it |
| 11:53 |
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congrats, Colin |
| 11:54 |
Colin |
thanks |
| 11:54 |
gmcharlt |
on to 3.2 RMaint |
| 11:54 |
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chris_n: any words? |
| 11:54 |
chris_n |
I am certainly still willing to be RM and will endevor maintain the standard set by past RMs. |
| 11:54 |
nengard |
chris_n++ |
| 11:54 |
slef |
where are the platforms on the wiki? not linked from meeting |
| 11:55 |
gmcharlt |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]elopment:roles3.4 |
| 11:55 |
thd |
chris_n++ |
| 11:55 |
slef |
gmcharlt: ta |
| 11:55 |
kf |
+1 |
| 11:55 |
fredericd |
+1 Colin |
| 11:55 |
Ropuch |
+1 |
| 11:56 |
gmcharlt |
so to confirm, we're now voting on chris_n as RMaint |
| 11:56 |
fredericd |
+1 chris_n |
| 11:56 |
hdl_laptop |
+1 |
| 11:56 |
imp |
+1 |
| 11:56 |
magnus |
+1 |
| 11:56 |
masonj |
+1 |
| 11:56 |
Colin |
+1 |
| 11:56 |
gmcharlt |
+1 # but I'll hold you to your "minor enhancements"-only plank :) |
| 11:56 |
tajoli |
+1 |
| 11:56 |
slef |
+1 |
| 11:57 |
chris_n |
gmcharlt: I hold a very conservative definition of minor :-) |
| 11:58 |
gmcharlt |
ok, that settles it |
| 11:58 |
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congrats, chris_n |
| 11:58 |
chris_n |
tnx all |
| 11:59 |
gmcharlt |
ok, moving on |
| 11:59 |
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we have three proposals for bug wranglers |
| 11:59 |
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pianohacker, hdl_laptop, and CALYX |
| 11:59 |
fredericd |
couldn't it be shared? |
| 11:59 |
chris_n |
gmcharlt: is this not a position where more than one filling it might be desireable? |
| 11:59 |
gmcharlt |
I think we should have bug wrangling be filled by as many people who want to (and do) do it |
| 12:00 |
nengard |
agreed |
| 12:00 |
gmcharlt |
so I move that we accept all three proposals |
| 12:00 |
chris_n |
seconded |
| 12:00 |
fredericd |
+1 |
| 12:00 |
nengard |
+1 |
| 12:00 |
Ropuch |
+1 |
| 12:00 |
masonj |
+1 |
| 12:00 |
Colin |
+1 |
| 12:00 |
thd |
+1 * |
| 12:00 |
Nate |
+1 |
| 12:00 |
imp |
+1 |
| 12:00 |
kf |
+1 |
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slef |
0 |
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| 12:01 |
magnus |
+1 |
| 12:02 |
slef |
I think one should lead because there's scope for interference and not all have submitted full proposals. |
| 12:02 |
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But I'm willing to let you approve all three if you really think it can work. |
| 12:02 |
gmcharlt |
from my POV, bug wrangling expands to fill all available volunteers |
| 12:03 |
tajoli |
+1 on three Bug Wrenglers |
| 12:03 |
thd |
:) |
| 12:03 |
gmcharlt |
I'd suggest that the QA Manager help coordinate if there's a conflict |
| 12:03 |
nengard |
that make sense to me |
| 12:03 |
chris_n |
perhaps if there are enough people, they could be assigned areas to wrangle in |
| 12:03 |
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ie. north pasture vs south plains ;-) |
| 12:04 |
gmcharlt |
hence the idea of module maintainer - i.e., somebody who not only wrangles, but maintains a tree and vets patches |
| 12:04 |
Colin |
Its very useful to have people you know are familiar with an area |
| 12:04 |
fredericd |
Colin: you could take SIP... |
| 12:05 |
gmcharlt |
I've put in my name to be module maintainer for search and cataloging - I'll post a proposal on koha-devel, and also call for other people to volunteer to be module maintainers |
| 12:05 |
Colin |
Sure |
| 12:05 |
nengard |
this kind of touches on the next agenda item |
| 12:05 |
gmcharlt |
we could then review the module maintainer propsals next meeting |
| 12:05 |
slef |
I bake good apple pie, but that doesn't mean I should necessarily be in charge of a kitchen. |
| 12:05 |
nengard |
#5 Bug Category Roles |
| 12:06 |
gmcharlt |
nengard: one moment, though |
| 12:06 |
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one position that has not been voted on et |
| 12:06 |
nengard |
ah |
| 12:06 |
gmcharlt |
3.4 translation manager |
| 12:06 |
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we have interest from fredericd and brendan |
| 12:06 |
fredericd |
Nothing specific to add to my initial proposal |
| 12:06 |
gmcharlt |
brendan hasn't sent in a proposal yet, though |
| 12:07 |
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one question I have about the TM role - will chris be maintaining the Pootle, or woudl that be moving? |
| 12:07 |
nengard |
that may be because it was expressed that the translation manager should be a non english speaker - but he's not awake so i don't want to speak for him |
| 12:07 |
fredericd |
I already have a pootle instance up and running. |
| 12:08 |
chris_n |
gmcharlt: it may be good also request the current module maintainers to re-affirm their desire to remain so |
| 12:08 |
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set at response deadline |
| 12:08 |
fredericd |
I'd need some help from Chris obviously at the beginning |
| 12:08 |
Nate |
I believe nengard is correct regarding Brendan's proposal |
| 12:08 |
chris_n |
and open up those positions with no response or a negative response by that date |
| 12:10 |
nengard |
okay - so where are we? are we voting on translation manager? or are we moving on to the next agenda item? |
| 12:11 |
chris_n |
it appears we lost gmcharlt |
| 12:11 |
gmcharlt |
no, I'm still here |
| 12:11 |
thd |
nengard: I thought that you were waking brendan :0 |
| 12:11 |
gmcharlt |
just waiting for comments re TM |
| 12:11 |
nengard |
no - i said when he wakes - it's 3am there!!! |
| 12:11 |
chris_n |
heh |
| 12:12 |
gmcharlt |
ok, how about this - assuming that many of us will be around for the bug squashing tomorrow |
| 12:12 |
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we can give brendan the rest of today to complete or withdraw his proposal |
| 12:12 |
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and vote tomorrow |
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thoughts? |
| 12:12 |
nengard |
+1 |
| 12:12 |
Ropuch |
+1 |
| 12:12 |
chris_n |
+1 |
| 12:12 |
masonj |
+1 |
| 12:12 |
imp |
+1 |
| 12:13 |
Nate |
+1 |
| 12:13 |
thd |
fredericd: Would you care to make some comment about how you are hard at work or fast asleep and thus not seen at IRC meetings for those who do not know you? |
| 12:13 |
jwagner |
gmcharlt, do you want to set a target time for voting tomorrow? |
| 12:13 |
tajoli |
+1 |
| 12:14 |
gmcharlt |
jwagner: yes - I suggestion 19:00 UTC+0 |
| 12:14 |
fredericd |
thd: hard at sleep |
| 12:14 |
masonj |
+1 |
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| 12:15 |
thd |
+1 |
| 12:15 |
nengard |
+1 |
| 12:15 |
tajoli |
+1 |
| 12:15 |
Ropuch |
+1 |
| 12:16 |
nengard |
okay - on to #5 to which I agree with Chris_n's suggestion |
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| 12:16 |
nengard |
we put out a call to see if people still want their roles as bug/module manager |
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and give them until the next meeting to respond |
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then we open up the roles |
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and let people say what they want/can manager |
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manage |
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* chris_n |
has to change locations... bbiab |
| 12:18 |
kf |
\me needs to go back to meeting bbl |
| 12:18 |
gmcharlt |
btw, the current list of bugs assignes is here http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]default_assignees |
| 12:18 |
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two things of note |
| 12:19 |
nengard |
well if no on objects I'll put out the call and see if we can get some interest/renewed interest |
| 12:19 |
gmcharlt |
1) we need more people involved |
| 12:19 |
nengard |
and we can move on to #6 |
| 12:19 |
gmcharlt |
nengard: I'll put it out |
| 12:19 |
nengard |
okay - go for it |
| 12:19 |
gmcharlt |
2) the websites assignee is, of course, in an odd situation |
| 12:19 |
nengard |
yeah |
| 12:19 |
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but there are plenty of other roles that have gone dead as well - |
| 12:20 |
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or that are assigned (in my opinion) incorrectly - acq should be someone at BibLibre since they dd so much work recently they know how things work better than anyone |
| 12:20 |
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as an example |
| 12:20 |
gmcharlt |
one thing I would like to emphasize, though - people should never feel restricted from picking up and owrking on a bug whose status isn't ASSIgned |
| 12:21 |
nengard |
agreed |
| 12:21 |
gmcharlt |
umm, nengard, I suggest that you look at the list of assignees |
| 12:21 |
tajoli |
many roles for gmcharlt but now you are on Evergreen or not ? |
| 12:21 |
nengard |
gmcharlt - that's not how it is in bugszilla |
| 12:21 |
hdl_laptop |
nengard: it is someone at BibLibre in charge of Acq. |
| 12:22 |
gmcharlt |
nengard: the default assignee list IS taken from Bugzilla |
| 12:22 |
nengard |
or it wasn't the last bug in acq i reported i had to manuall change it to hdl |
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k - i'll check again |
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when i'm more alert |
| 12:22 |
masonj |
ill think about a module or two that i can look after... |
| 12:22 |
gmcharlt |
and new acq bugs are indeed going to hdl_laptop |
| 12:22 |
nengard |
k good |
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sorry for the confusion |
| 12:22 |
gmcharlt |
masonj: cool, but more patches from you would be nice to see |
| 12:23 |
nengard |
okay - on to #6 which is easy |
| 12:23 |
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i just want to remind you all to send me articles for the newsletter by the 14th - |
| 12:23 |
masonj |
yep, i do plan to start sending stuff in again, very soon |
| 12:23 |
nengard |
they should be short and sweet |
| 12:24 |
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#7 - Koha Tutorials |
| 12:24 |
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http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ntation:tutorials |
| 12:24 |
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we talked about this back in August and did some work, but I'd love to see more tutorials from you experts out there to help us new to programming for Koha learn the ropes |
| 12:26 |
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any comments? anyone still here? |
| 12:27 |
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am I moderating myself?? :) |
| 12:27 |
slef |
Yes, just pinged myself. |
| 12:27 |
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A bit confused about what we're being asked to do. |
| 12:27 |
Ropuch |
;> |
| 12:27 |
thd |
we need a proper manual for programmers |
| 12:27 |
slef |
Still willing, but still no resources for this. |
| 12:27 |
nengard |
slef back in august we talked about writing up quick tutorials on using git or updating perl or whatever else that new developers can easily understand and feel more comfrotable chipping in |
| 12:28 |
jwagner |
On the tutorials, I'd like to see it expanded to general training -- how do I create a record/item, how do I check out (and how do I set up my circ rules), etc. That would be useful to a wider audience. |
| 12:28 |
thd |
nengard: it would be useful if we could link the tutorial which paul_p gave at KohaCon |
| 12:28 |
nengard |
thd i think i'll be working on something like that this year - but nothing I do will be as good as quides from those who have been in the thick of it for years |
| 12:28 |
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thd - go for it! |
| 12:28 |
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jwagner - isn't that in the manual already? |
| 12:29 |
jwagner |
Not in terms of learning how to do it. |
| 12:29 |
Colin |
We could have fuller how tos |
| 12:29 |
thd |
schuster took photographs of the whiteboard |
| 12:29 |
jwagner |
The manual is great at describing each setting, but making the intuitive leap of "which ones do I need to configure for _this_ result" is harder. |
| 12:30 |
gmcharlt |
to the extent that people doing training want to contribute their webcasts and pre-recorded sessions, that would address jwagner's concern, I think |
| 12:30 |
nengard |
NEKLS has a lot of that already public |
| 12:30 |
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but I can always add more detail to the manual if we need/want it |
| 12:30 |
jwagner |
And we've been referring people to the NEKLS stuff :-) |
| 12:30 |
nengard |
I try to keep it generic - but don't mind being more specific |
| 12:31 |
slef |
Is NEKLS stuff linked from http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ntation:tutorials ? |
| 12:31 |
jwagner |
I've been through a lot of migrations by now, and I'm always being asked the simple questions -- how do I check out a book, etc. |
| 12:31 |
nengard |
slef yes, at teh bottom |
| 12:31 |
slef |
oic |
| 12:32 |
jwagner |
We've been working on training materials, and on my "someday" list is recording some webex sessions on the general topics. |
| 12:32 |
slef |
so, again, what are we waiting for? 3.2 release and/or resources to run sessions? |
| 12:32 |
nengard |
jwagner once 3.2 is out and the manual done i am going to do some video tutorials |
| 12:32 |
slef |
I hope we can use something more open than webex. |
| 12:32 |
Colin |
It would be good if biblibre have anything on acquisitions for 3.2 |
| 12:32 |
gmcharlt |
I'd encourage libraries who have written documentation to get themselves linked as well |
| 12:32 |
nengard |
for now there is a link to some video tutorials at the bottom of the tutorials page |
| 12:32 |
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that i did for those in CA |
| 12:33 |
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yes hdl_laptop, I need some help writing the docs for the new acq |
| 12:33 |
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on this topic - the 3.2 English Version of the manual is up at: http://koha-community.org/docu[…]-manual/?ch=index |
| 12:33 |
jwagner |
nengard, thanks -- that's the kind of stuff I'd like to see expanded. The development/coding stuff is also needed, but general "how do I" is critical. |
| 12:33 |
nengard |
still a work in progress and i have to fix the license |
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but it's there |
| 12:33 |
fredericd |
Colin: +1 on new acq module (black box) |
| 12:34 |
slef |
nengard: needs a link to source code checkout instructions (a HACKING file in GNUspeak) |
| 12:34 |
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nengard: but well done on getting it there |
| 12:35 |
nengard |
slef - yeah it's missing the appendices and the links section - which might have that ... wizzyrea and Ropuch did all the work |
| 12:35 |
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and they're not done yet, but I thought I'd share |
| 12:35 |
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okay - I think we need to agree to the time of the next meeting - unless anyone else has more to add? |
| 12:35 |
Ropuch |
slef: you're welcome to fix my lame googled regexp |
| 12:35 |
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;> |
| 12:35 |
tajoli |
quit |
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| 12:36 |
slef |
Ropuch: regexp? |
| 12:36 |
gmcharlt |
I suggest Wednesday, 3 March 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0 |
| 12:36 |
chris_n |
+1 |
| 12:37 |
nengard |
+1 |
| 12:37 |
Ropuch |
slef: on pull-and publish kohadocs in wordpress 'script' |
| 12:37 |
Nate |
+1 |
| 12:37 |
imp |
thought we had the 5. march planed? |
| 12:37 |
Ropuch |
Sorry, I was afk and misinterpreted your conversation with nengard |
| 12:38 |
masonj |
+1 |
| 12:38 |
hdl_laptop |
nengard: will ask laurence and paul to improve documentation and post some on kohadocs |
| 12:39 |
nengard |
okay next general meeting to be held on : Wednesday, 3 March 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0 |
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and bug squashing all day on the 10 February |
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I call this meeting to a close |
| 12:39 |
gmcharlt |
thanks, nengard |
| 12:39 |
Ropuch |
nengard++ |
| 12:40 |
imp |
nengard++ |
| 12:40 |
hdl_laptop |
thanks nengard |
| 12:40 |
Ropuch |
But... which timezone tomorrow bug squashing starts? |
| 12:40 |
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;> |
| 12:40 |
nengard |
Ropuch - all timezones!! :) |
| 12:40 |
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all day in all timezones |
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squash those bugs :) |
| 12:41 |
gmcharlt |
plan on staying up 24 hours! ;) |
| 12:42 |
* jwagner |
would prefer to sleep for 24 hours.... |
| 12:42 |
Ropuch |
Yak! |
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| 12:43 |
slef |
I'd prefer to be awake 24 hours, but I have to drive somewhere tomoz PM so not sleeping would be negligent |
| 12:43 |
Ropuch |
I can't sleep more than 7h |
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| 12:43 |
slef |
Ropuch: curious. 7h30 is more common. |
| 12:43 |
Ropuch |
I feel like I have a hangover if I overslept |
| 12:43 |
slef |
ack, metoo |
| 12:44 |
* jwagner |
may be prejudiced by getting only about 3-4 hours of sleep last night |
| 12:44 |
Ropuch |
hehe |
| 12:45 |
thd |
jwagner: sleep all day today |
| 12:45 |
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Topic for #koha is now Discussion channel for the Koha ILS | Bug squashing all day Wednesday, 10 Feburary 2010 |
| 12:46 |
jwagner |
thd, maybe a nap.... |
| 12:46 |
* Ropuch |
prepares "Perl for dummies" copy for bug squashing ;> |
| 12:48 |
jwagner |
Couple of git questions? I know there's a command to look at the details of a commit -- maybe git log commit#? Also, I think there's a way to do a git-diff between current branch and master -- what's that? |
| 12:49 |
slef |
Ropuch: man perlintro, man perlretut, man perlboot and man perlcheat |
| 12:49 |
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jwagner: git log -1 commit# |
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jwagner: git diff master # I think |
| 12:50 |
gmcharlt |
jwagner: also git show commit# |
| 12:50 |
Colin |
git show |
| 12:50 |
jwagner |
Thanks slef, gmcharlt, Colin |
| 12:50 |
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Can't wait until jdavidb is back online so I can pester him.... |
| 12:51 |
slef |
could try man git... |
| 12:52 |
Ropuch |
jwagner: http://progit.org/book/ - quite useful for git newbie (like me) |
| 12:53 |
jwagner |
Thanks. We have a couple of git manuals, but I have trouble wading through them. I try to stick to the basics :-) |
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| 13:08 |
imp |
hdl_laptop: still here? |
| 13:14 |
nengard |
how do you nicely say - I cannot and will not be your personal support person? |
| 13:15 |
hdl_laptop |
imp: ? |
| 13:15 |
gmcharlt |
nengard: sending them a price quote? |
| 13:15 |
jwagner |
nengard, if they haven't gotten the point by now, there is no nice way to say it.... |
| 13:16 |
imp |
hdl_laptop: you said, if you got a bad marc record, it breaks the page (right before the meeting) |
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but it's the first record i try to add |
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(so i'm a little bit confused ;) |
| 13:16 |
hdl_laptop |
MARC21 or UNIMARC ? |
| 13:17 |
imp |
set my koha to marc21 |
| 13:17 |
slef |
nengard: I've got a form letter saying I'm sorry but I don't have enough free time, so their choices are asking a mailing list or contracting the co-op. |
| 13:17 |
nengard |
slef - i tried that - didn't work |
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and gmcharlt - guess that's my next step :) |
| 13:18 |
slef |
nengard: rinse and repeat |
| 13:18 |
nengard |
hehe |
| 13:18 |
slef |
nengard: this is why it's a form letter :-/ |
| 13:18 |
nengard |
:) |
| 13:19 |
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guess i'll need to write one up - to be honest this is the first time that the person didn't go the mailing list when i said that was the way to do this |
| 13:19 |
gmcharlt |
there's always the chance that the response to a price quote will be a check :) |
| 13:19 |
nengard |
oooooo |
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hdl_laptop |
imp: you may have some problems with your framework then. |
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You should check that in admin |
| 13:24 |
imp |
it's the same with the default framework and the fast-add one (where i've removed some fields) |
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MARC Bibliographic Framework Test ? |
| 13:24 |
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it says everything is ok |
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| 13:38 |
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: do you have any patches available for bug 3912? |
| 13:38 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3912 blocker, P5, ---, henridamienkoha-fr.org, NEW, Can't add contracts |
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| 13:40 |
owen |
Hi all, sorry I had to leave the meeting early. Kids, school, etc. |
| 13:40 |
gmcharlt |
excuses, excuses |
| 13:41 |
owen |
gmcharlt: At least you had the opportunity to pile work on my plate in my absence. |
| 13:41 |
* owen |
checks his plate |
| 13:41 |
chris_n |
lol |
| 13:42 |
gmcharlt |
owen: oops, forgot to tell you that we're sick of this XHTML stuff, we want to go back to HTML4 |
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* owen |
rushes around unclosing tags and putting markup in UPPER CASE!! |
| 13:43 |
owen |
<HTML><P>There. All done.</HTML> |
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* owen |
shudders to even joke about it. |
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* chris_n |
busies himself with trying to learn how to use the new patron card tool ;-) |
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| 13:58 |
Colin |
t/Dates.t appears to have the wrong number of tests... but this seems to have been wrong for a long time |
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bigbrovar_ |
am trying to install koha3.0.5 on ubuntu 8.04 following instructions on this wiki page http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]uide_ubuntu_hardy. everything seem to run fine but when I did make test I got the follow errors http://pastebin.com/m4b7cb01e |
| 14:02 |
slef |
looking |
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| 14:02 |
slef |
anyone remember if make test works on ubuntu hardy for 3.0.5? |
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Is there some way to read the test results in detail, anyone? |
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bigbrovar_: any error lines before the Test Summary Report? |
| 14:04 |
gmcharlt |
slef: prove -v test |
| 14:04 |
bigbrovar_ |
well they were some error lines... unfortunately am on a screen session and I cant scroll up :( |
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slef, . |
| 14:05 |
slef |
bigbrovar_: ctrl+A then [ then PgUp lots |
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bigbrovar_: then [ when finished |
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screen does its own scrollbuffer |
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bigbrovar_ |
slef, oh ok thanks |
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slef, that jump to the top of the page.. however well am already make install would have to wait till that runs. or what do u think? (am quite new at this ) |
| 14:13 |
slef |
yes, I think it has probably scrolled off, so [ to stop it and wait |
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bigbrovar_: gmcharlt's prove command is probably a better bet, where "test" is "t/Circulation_barcodedecode.t" I think |
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I will soon go to lunch |
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bigbrovar_ |
slef, I will run the prove command once make install is done (kind of medicine after death I know but this is a test install not a production deployment) will u still be logged on when you are off to lunch? |
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slef, will pastebin the output of the prove command once(if) make install is complete |
| 14:18 |
slef |
my client idles here as much as possible |
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but I might not read messages sent to me until the morning |
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but others here can also help, I'm sure. |
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bigbrovar_ |
slef, make install went fine |
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slef, about to run the prove command |
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slef, this is the output of the prove test http://pastebin.com/m1a3e837f |
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owen |
I wonder if Kyle knows what he's getting himself into, volunteering for Circ and Holds bugs? |
| 15:04 |
* owen |
would run away |
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hilongo |
hello fellow kohaers ... :) |
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I have just finished my switch from standard koha to dev-installation via GIT ... everything went well :) |
| 15:17 |
gmcharlt |
hilongo++ |
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hilongo |
gmcharlt: your tips were a great help :) |
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jwagner |
congrats, hilongo. That's NOT an easy switch, especially if you've done any customizations. |
| 15:22 |
hilongo |
jwagner: yep .. and more when it is already in production... I think I've aged a couple of years in this past days :) |
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but now that everything worked .. I can focus in fixing a couple of problems I'm having with Koha... |
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One is with Reserves not working and the other with Searching and some weird diacritic problem |
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Anyone can tell me why request.pl complains about 'uninitialized values' such a findborrower or transfertwhen ?? |
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My error log here -> http://pastebin.org/88902 |
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hilongo |
the opac and the staff interface give me the same msg: "none of these items can be placed on hold." |
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I have circ rules set ... at least as far as i know ... |
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liz-nekls |
which version? |
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liz-nekls is now known as wizzyrea_laptop |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
(sorry if I missed that part) |
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hilongo |
i'm on 3.0.6 dev-installation |
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hilongo |
3.00.06.005 to be exact :) |
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also .. I have sysprefs AllowHoldPolicyOverride AllowHoldsOnDamagedItems AllowOnShelfHolds and canreservefromotherbranches all set to ON ... |
| 16:01 |
owen |
Do you have circulation rules set up for the patron category and itemtype you're trying to put a hold on? |
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hilongo |
I tried to re-set circulation rules and I find I'm no able to ... aparently, there is some finedays column that smart-rules.pl wants to fill but that column does not exist in the database... |
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I'll try to add that column manually and see what happens |
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ok ... I have re-set the circ rules .. the Default ones and the library specific ... I have the holds policy as "Book - from any library" |
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hilongo |
but the problem is not solved :( |
| 16:23 |
owen |
hilongo: you might try adding a specific rule for one borrower category and one item type and test with that combination |
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hilongo |
my koha-error log says this: http://pastebin.org/88923 |
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owen: .. ok ... I'll give it a try |
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* jwagner |
smiles. Two snowplows and a monster big front-end loader are doing things to the street outside. Things involving moving large quantities of snow.... |
| 16:31 |
* ebegin |
lol... this is almost a daily event in winter here :) |
| 16:33 |
jwagner |
Yes, I know. I grew up in snow country. But the DC area is NOT used to this. Doesn't have the equipment, experience, or planning to cope with major storms. And there's a third one moving in this afternoon. Three big blizzards in one winter? Unheard of in this area. |
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owen |
jwagner: Is jdavidb still snowed in? |
| 16:36 |
jwagner |
Yep, he's been having a rough time. He was without power for a couple of days (brrrrr) and is still without Internet. Busses aren't running, so he can't get into work either. |
| 16:36 |
hilongo |
it's no use ... setting specific rules doesn't work either... |
| 16:36 |
jwagner |
I've been working from home since last Friday, and have been VERY lucky not to lose power throughout. Knock wood....\ |
| 16:39 |
ebegin |
jwagner, over here, how strange it can be, we do not have a lot of snow this year... |
| 16:39 |
jwagner |
ebegin, you're welcome to ours :-) |
| 16:40 |
ebegin |
Should I bring my shovel? :) |
| 16:40 |
jwagner |
Bring your shovel, snowplow, front-end loader, snowplow, snowplow..... |
| 16:41 |
moodaepo |
@wunder 56001 |
| 16:41 |
munin |
moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -4.6�C (10:35 AM CST on February 09, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect until noon CST today... |
| 16:41 |
owen |
@wunder 45701 |
| 16:41 |
munin |
owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is -1.7�C (11:36 AM EST on February 09, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 7 am EST Thursday... |
| 16:41 |
jwagner |
One of the many fun things is that there's simply no PLACE to put all the snow. They're having to use dump trucks & try to find places to dump them. |
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@wunder 20740 |
| 16:41 |
munin |
jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 0.1�C (11:38 AM EST on February 09, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect from noon today to 7 PM EST Wednesday... |
| 16:45 |
owen |
Hellova day in weather. |
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jwagner |
s/day/month/ |
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s/day/YEAR/ |
| 16:46 |
paul_p |
hello world ! |
| 16:46 |
jwagner |
Bonjour paul_p |
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paul_p |
(back from a meeting) |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
@later tell chris any suggestions on setting the openjade max errors from Docbook2html? |
| 16:47 |
munin |
wizzyrea_laptop: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:48 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
for that matter, anyone else? |
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nengard: that's why your appendix is missing |
| 16:48 |
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you may be using invalid characters in the manual? |
| 16:49 |
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http://www2.cddc.vt.edu/marxis[…]sets/non-sgml.htm may help you |
| 16:50 |
gmcharlt |
wizzyrea_laptop: does running xmllint --noout {name of docbook.xml} turn up anything? |
| 16:50 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
good question, I shall try that |
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nothing :/ |
| 16:53 |
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doesn't say anything, actually, is that odd? |
| 16:53 |
gmcharlt |
that means it thinks it thinks it's valid |
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what is the character encoding declared in the XML header? |
| 16:54 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
utf-8 |
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hrm |
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I think openjade defaults to unicode |
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and I'm not sure how to change that... |
| 16:55 |
gmcharlt |
unicode should be fine |
| 16:55 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
manual.xml:17128:20:E: non SGML character number 152 |
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are the errors |
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so I either need to tell openjade that this is ok, or change the xml |
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or set the max errors |
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which I haven't found a way to through docbook2html |
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152 is the tilde, btw |
| 17:00 |
gmcharlt |
what is the openjade command-line you're using? |
| 17:01 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
it's being triggered from docbook2html :( |
| 17:01 |
chris_n |
@wunder 28334 |
| 17:01 |
munin |
chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 4.0�C (11:41 AM EST on February 09, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). High wind watch in effect from Wednesday morning through Wednesday evening... |
| 17:01 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
but if I were just using openjade I could -E0 and have unlimited errors |
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so it may just be a problem with docbook2html |
| 17:03 |
gmcharlt |
does adding -w no-sgml work? |
| 17:05 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
oooh, I missed that one |
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let me try that |
| 17:05 |
gmcharlt |
or -e no-sgml |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
Unknown warning type "no-sgml". Allowed warning types are: |
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i could no-al |
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all |
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Brooke |
ha ha |
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this one works and not the other... |
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Brooke |
yo! |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
wb |
| 17:39 |
Brooke |
wow, sleepy in here today :) |
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Brooke |
hi tirabo |
| 17:40 |
tirabo |
hi |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
working furiously I think |
| 17:42 |
owen |
Eying the snow worriedly |
| 17:42 |
* owen |
is going to bail |
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| 17:43 |
Brooke |
doh |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
doo eet |
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and drive safely |
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(not you I'm worried about, it's the other idiots) |
| 17:43 |
* Brooke |
dug the war pony out earlier |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
hehe |
| 17:44 |
Brooke |
yeah I keep telling the little mister that |
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we had a touch of snow a little while back and there was a 30 car pile up |
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so this time when there was a little more than a dusting |
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I told him this would be 75+ |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
it's kind of spitting snow here |
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| 17:46 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
like "peh, peh, peh" |
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little here, little there |
| 17:47 |
Brooke |
it's not doing anything here for the moment *knocks on wood* |
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wish there were some active Frenchies on at the moment or other EU folk |
| 17:48 |
* moodaepo |
the snow here is regrouping for the next attack |
| 17:48 |
imp |
Brooke: i'm from germany |
| 17:48 |
Brooke |
hawt |
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can you tell me about magazine frequency? |
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I've a bloke that asked after Finnish serials cataloguing |
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and it made me very curious about the rest of Europe in terms of how many issues one might receive in a year |
| 17:50 |
* imp |
doesn't have any real bib background :| |
| 17:50 |
* Brooke |
nods |
| 17:51 |
chris_n |
is it me or is the self-checkout code a little half-baked? |
| 17:51 |
Brooke |
dunno |
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I've never looked under the self - checkout code hood |
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and very little under the hood in general |
| 17:52 |
chris |
chris_n: the stuff in opac/sco ? |
| 17:52 |
* chris_n |
seems to stay under the hood :-) |
| 17:53 |
chris_n |
yup |
| 17:53 |
chris |
yeah its not just you |
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it works, but barely |
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chris_n |
it logs *nothing* |
| 17:53 |
Brooke |
Oi, Chris |
| 17:53 |
chris |
hiya Brooke |
| 17:53 |
Brooke |
do you know any one with Wiki keys? |
| 17:53 |
* Brooke |
forgets her password WAY too often. |
| 17:53 |
gmcharlt |
Brooke: I can help you |
| 17:53 |
Brooke |
hawt |
| 17:54 |
gmcharlt |
just reset your password? |
| 17:54 |
Brooke |
yes plox |
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it keeps saying it will and then like I never get an email |
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thank you :D |
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* Brooke |
does not want Russ thinking she's an absentee vol. |
| 17:55 |
Brooke |
I am getting so psyched for conference. |
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slef |
This is why I like openID - it beats doing the lost password shuffly when you're not near your encrypted login details |
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Colin |
Brooke: what was your eu question? |
| 18:05 |
Brooke |
my EU type question is |
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what's the frequency of some of your magazines or serials |
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and is there a logical selection for that frequency within Koha? |
| 18:07 |
Colin |
Weekly twice-weekly monthly bi-monthly quarterly and irregular |
| 18:07 |
chris |
congrats/commiserations Colin :) |
| 18:08 |
Colin |
chris: thanks (for both) |
| 18:08 |
Brooke |
uh oh |
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what are we commiserating> |
| 18:08 |
chris |
Colin is qa manager for 3.4 |
| 18:08 |
Brooke |
how regularly do you use the irregular option? |
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Colin |
Not that often. I've got a library with lots of serials and lots of seemingly irregular publications but most have some sort of rhythmn |
| 18:10 |
* Brooke |
nods |
| 18:10 |
Colin |
(even although two years worth arrive in a lump) |
| 18:11 |
Brooke |
this guy has stuff that comes in regularly but the tables do not appear to match the options that are currently there. Is there a flip that can be switched in Parameters, or am I hoping for too much? |
| 18:12 |
chris_n |
hdl_laptop: what does USERBLOCKEDREMAINING mean? |
| 18:13 |
Colin |
You may be hoping. I'm due to look at prediction patterns soon (when that libraries serial librarians give me the list of perceived oddities) |
| 18:13 |
Brooke |
hawt |
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hdl_laptop |
USERBLOCKED And he has some books still not returned |
| 18:14 |
Brooke |
it almost seems like this data should be somewhere in cyberspace, possibly behind OCLC's locked doors... |
| 18:14 |
chris_n |
hdl_laptop: what controls this limit? |
| 18:15 |
hdl_laptop |
IsMemberBlocked and the finedays in Circulation |
| 18:15 |
chris_n |
tnx |
| 18:15 |
gmcharlt |
Brooke: well, for MARC21, prediction patterns for a lot of serials are freely available via CONSER records, though not in an ideal form |
| 18:15 |
Brooke |
HDL - proper credit has been given to BibLibre on the wiki now :D Thanks! |
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for sponsorship |
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G- thanks. I think I'll strategically torment a reference Librarian. |
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* Brooke |
cackles maniacally. |
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Brooke |
hey Brendan |
| 18:17 |
brendan |
hi brooke |
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hdl_laptop |
Brooke: don't mention it |
| 18:18 |
chris |
Brooke: magnus at libriotech sent kohacon some money last night too |
| 18:18 |
Brooke |
how tough code wise would massaging the frequency table for serials be? (time or $) |
| 18:18 |
chris |
which reminds me, i need to chase up biblibre and bywater to hit the donate button, so we can pay the deposit :-) |
| 18:19 |
Brooke |
I'll get right on it Chris :D |
| 18:19 |
brendan |
how much is the deposit |
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? |
| 18:19 |
chris |
bout 1knz |
| 18:19 |
brendan |
deadline? |
| 18:19 |
chris |
we are all set if either you or biblibre hit the button :-) |
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next couple of weeks |
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if not i can cover it |
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hdl_laptop |
chris_n: it is not a syspref. |
| 18:20 |
chris |
or i can get work too |
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brendan |
ok marking in on my calendar now - as to not forget |
| 18:21 |
chris |
thanks :-) |
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chris |
bbiab breakfast time for the kid |
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chris_n |
hdl_laptop: I have no rules defined and yet am still limited by this constraint |
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it seems that this should default to unlimited |
| 18:22 |
cait |
hi #koha |
| 18:22 |
brendan |
hi cait |
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@wunder 93117 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 10.6�C (10:18 AM PST on February 09, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Rising). Flash Flood Watch in effect in and below the recent burn areas from 10 am PST this morning through this evening... |
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cait |
hibrendan |
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imp |
@wunder hannover germany |
| 18:23 |
munin |
imp: The current temperature in Hannover, Wedemark, Germany is -4.6�C (6:59 PM CET on February 09, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Rising). |
| 18:25 |
Brooke |
Okay, I think I might risk a spin to the sto'. |
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thanks everyone for the responses. |
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| 18:32 |
chris_n |
hdl_laptop: found my problem: no circ rules == loan period of NULL == item is overdue as soon as it is checked out |
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at least that appears to be it |
| 18:32 |
jwagner |
chris_n, I've been bitten by that one before :-( |
| 18:33 |
chris_n |
yup another NULL |
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hdl_laptop |
oh... we have just catched that on our issuingrules improvments |
| 18:33 |
chris_n |
most db fields should be NOT NULL imho |
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hdl_laptop: are those improvements in HEAD? |
| 18:34 |
hdl_laptop |
should be for 3.4 |
| 18:37 |
gmcharlt |
implementing DBIx::Class is going to give us an excellent excuse to examine the entire schema |
| 18:37 |
chris |
*nod* |
| 18:37 |
hdl_laptop |
Sure... But do we ant to use DBIx::Class in Circulation ? |
| 18:37 |
chris_n |
it would seem that adding a default rule to the mandatory or optional data might avoid heartache in 3.2 |
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or a hint on the circ rule page |
| 18:38 |
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: ultimately, yes, though I don't think we have |
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to convert the entire DB layer to DBIC for 3.4 |
| 18:39 |
chris |
nope, it can be done a piece at a time |
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borrowers is the first candidate |
| 18:39 |
gmcharlt |
chris_n: I thought there was a hard-coded fallback |
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although sample data is better anyway |
| 18:39 |
hdl_laptop |
chris_n: you'd better manage the undefined values at first in TooMany and GetLoanLength |
| 18:40 |
chris |
C4::Members that is |
| 18:40 |
hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: there are GetLoanLength defaults to 21 |
| 18:41 |
cait |
hi hdl_laptop - did you get my email with the public key? |
| 18:41 |
hdl_laptop |
yes. I will send you an email when I have added you |
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have you not received an answer from me ? |
| 18:43 |
cait |
hm no, I just wanted to ask, because I used my personal mail account to reply |
| 18:43 |
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or perhaps yes - I got your mail with instructions and software tips |
| 18:44 |
schuster |
While I was actually getting my 3.2 installation up and running today!!! YEAHHH... I noticed on one of the pages an error about mysql version - not being compatable - should I put that into a bug? |
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pages as in doing the web installer on a fresh install. |
| 18:44 |
gmcharlt |
bugs.koha.org - HEAD, installation |
| 18:44 |
schuster |
OK - it finished, but evidently one of the calls for the sysprefs it didn't like. |
| 18:44 |
gmcharlt |
the web instasller component, specfically |
| 18:44 |
schuster |
yes. |
| 18:45 |
chris |
an xslt one schuster ? |
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if so yes, i can confirm that, it needs to be reported as a bug |
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hdl_laptop |
cait: I was thinking about that one. |
| 18:50 |
chris |
ok, bus time |
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bbl |
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schuster |
mandatory data added * authorities_normal_marc21.sql * class_sources.sql * marc21_framework_DEFAULT.sql * message_transport_types.sql * sample_notices.sql * stopwords.sql * subtag_registry.sql * sysprefs.sql ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 217: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your My |
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gmcharlt |
schuster: is this HEAD or the 3.2-alpha tag? |
| 18:51 |
schuster |
This came up on the Mandatory data added screen - after the sysprefs.sql note ERROR... The installation completed. |
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schuster |
This is HEAD. |
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I'm on Lenny, Mysql 5.10 |
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@bug 4145 |
| 18:54 |
munin |
schuster: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4145 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamienkoha-fr.org, NEW, Error during Installation |
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chris_n |
bbiab |
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cait |
hdl_laptop: it was really helpful, I hope I did it all right |
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gmcharlt |
schuster: I've pushed a fix for bug 4145 |
| 18:58 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4145 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamienkoha-fr.org, NEW, Error during Installation |
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| 18:59 |
schuster |
whle we are discussing this chris_n... Last night to get around the PDF::API2:Simple - we had to do cpan Module::Install - and then the cpan PDF::API2::Simple |
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Yeah...gmcharlt... debian-lenny install instructions... |
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So how does that get documented into the install instructions? As you all know I'm not much of a committer/editor, just a finder...right now... I'll get into git by the end of the year! |
| 19:01 |
imp |
schuster: had the same problem with Module::Install |
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imho it's a missing dep in PDF::API2::Simple and not a problem of koha |
| 19:04 |
schuster |
Well it becomes a koha install issue and needs to be documented for other non techies like me so they don't get stuck on it. I've been working to install a version of koha for 2 weeks now and keep hitting walls due to lenny and dependancies. |
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Not complaining, just commenting... |
| 19:04 |
gmcharlt |
schuster: including libmodule-install-perl in the apt-get list would do it |
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either way, file a bug |
| 19:05 |
imp |
let's see if somebody already made a bug report on cpan |
| 19:06 |
schuster |
OK - well I did the libmodule-install-perl last night but still got stuck on the PDF::API2::Simple - they were talking about Module::Install wasn't standard any longer...??? masonj and chris_n could speak more to that than I. |
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I'll search bugs to see what I find before doing anything. |
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bigbrovar |
hi guys I trying to install koha 3.0.5 on ubuntu 8.04 following this guide http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]uide_ubuntu_hardy everything seems to work fine but when I run mate test I get the following errors http://pastebin.com/m6575e56c |
| 19:18 |
schuster |
@4146 |
| 19:18 |
munin |
schuster: Error: "4146" is not a valid command. |
| 19:19 |
schuster |
@bug 4146 |
| 19:19 |
munin |
schuster: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4146 major, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, dependancies needed for installation |
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bigbrovar |
hi guys I trying to install koha 3.0.5 on ubuntu 8.04 following this guide http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]uide_ubuntu_hardy everything seems to work fine but when I run mate test I get the following errors http://pastebin.com/m6575e56c |
| 19:35 |
gmcharlt |
bigbrovar: is the libyaml-perl package installed? |
| 19:36 |
braedon|work |
bigbrovar: i had that issue also - as gmcharlt says, it is the perl yaml library that is missing |
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worked fine after i installed that |
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chris |
back |
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richard |
ooh chanel ops |
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hi chris |
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chris |
heya richard |
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brendan |
RE: translation manager (my update to the wiki) |
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agrees with paul_p - a non-english speaking person is preferred - will leave this here if no one else decides that they want to do this position |
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gmcharlt |
brendan: cool - fredericd is still interested, so we'll vote him in tomorrow |
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pmlozeau: re your tweet - Koha bug reports must be filed very seriously. Sackcloth and ashes make the best outfit. |
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chris |
pmlozeau: humour is more likely to make me want to work on a bug ... but ymmv :-) |
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bigbrovar |
gmcharlt: oh am already running make install is that too late? |
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or can I install libyaml-perl after installations? |
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gmcharlt: . |
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gmcharlt |
yes, you can do it afterwards |
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bigbrovar |
gmcharlt: thanks |
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joetho |
who is/was qa for 32? |
| 19:44 |
chris |
gmcharlt was doing both roles |
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joetho |
wow |
| 19:44 |
chris |
and a mighty fine job he did too |
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finding qa people is hard |
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so we must be nice to Colin |
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bigbrovar |
gmcharlt: guess I could add libyaml-perl as one of the needed pacakges in the wiki for UBuntu hardy |
| 19:44 |
joetho |
the qa would have to get along pretty well with the rm |
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chris |
that would be good bigbrovar |
| 19:45 |
gmcharlt |
bigbrovar: and if you're even more ambitious, could patch the ubuntu package list under install_misc as well ;) |
| 19:45 |
joetho |
Galen seems to like Galen ok |
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chris |
joetho: yep thats fairly important |
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joetho |
most of the time anyway |
| 19:45 |
chris |
the good thing is, everyone gets along with everyone well |
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everyone who is still in the community that is |
| 19:45 |
joetho |
Uh huh. |
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what a weird world this is. |
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anyway, looking forward here. |
| 19:46 |
chris |
11 years in august, theres only 1 person ive ever had problems with .. i think it was a anomaly never to be repeated ;-) |
| 19:46 |
joetho |
schuster -- |
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knock knock |
| 19:47 |
chris |
ohh mean!!! |
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you just dekarma'd him |
| 19:47 |
joetho |
are you installing ubuntu? I scrolled up and saw yer troubles |
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I did? |
| 19:47 |
chris |
schuster++ |
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joetho |
how did I do that? |
| 19:47 |
gmcharlt |
schuster++ |
| 19:47 |
chris |
the -- aftter someones nick |
| 19:47 |
joetho |
so if I go... |
| 19:48 |
chris |
i think the space might have saved him actaually |
| 19:48 |
joetho |
yourname MINUS MINUS MINUS it takes away three points? |
| 19:48 |
chris |
naw, minus minus only takes away 1... --- probably does nothing |
| 19:48 |
joetho |
joetho- |
| 19:48 |
chris |
and - does nothing too |
| 19:48 |
joetho |
joetho-- |
| 19:48 |
munin |
joetho: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. |
| 19:49 |
joetho |
"Oh Joe, no use beating yourself up over it" |
| 19:49 |
pmlozeau |
gmcharlt: I'll make sure to be serious in all of my writings from now on ;) |
| 19:49 |
gmcharlt |
pmlozeau++ # hee |
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pmlozeau |
chris: Ha ha! I knew that would help ;) |
| 19:49 |
joetho |
gmcharlt++ ...for wearing the qa hat |
| 19:50 |
chris |
joetho: we have scared off about 4 qa ppl in koha history, Colin is made of sterner stuff tho |
| 19:50 |
joetho |
anyway I have been trying to install ubuntu for MONTHS now |
| 19:50 |
chris |
and git makes it a hell of a lot easier too |
| 19:50 |
joetho |
always something |
| 19:51 |
braedon|work |
joetho: what version, onto what? |
| 19:51 |
joetho |
mostly, I run out of time to troubleshoot so I end up starting over (ubuntu install |
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* chris |
goes debian for server, ubuntu for desktop .. but thats just my preference |
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* braedon|work |
has had nothing but trouble with debian servers |
| 19:52 |
joetho |
ubuntu here, and I think I will use the alphabeta newest koha available, but it ain't happenin THIS week |
| 19:52 |
chris |
heh funny, i find debian stable, rock solid :) |
| 19:53 |
braedon|work |
well, my issues have mainly been with debian, not the install itself |
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one major one was when the debian repos decided to not work with apt |
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which was very helpfull |
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a huge range of packages would just refuse to download, complaining about a size missmatch |
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download the packages from exactly the same ftp server manually, and they install fine |
| 19:54 |
chris |
sounds like someone set up the repo badly to me |
| 19:54 |
braedon|work |
never had any issues with apt on Ubuntu |
| 19:54 |
chris |
ive never had issues with it on debian, but a bad repo will cause that :) |
| 19:54 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
i 2nd the debian = rock solid argument |
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braedon|work |
it was on all mirrors of an official debian repo |
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(all mirrors i tried, including the main, and NZ mirrors) |
| 19:55 |
chris |
of course ubuntu is just debian, with non free stuff :-) |
| 19:55 |
braedon|work |
yip |
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and better repo management :P |
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chris |
thats where you are wrong |
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its exactly the same |
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the exact same package management |
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braedon|work |
no, i'm meaning the human managemnt of the repositories |
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i know the system is the same |
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but the actual repos are different |
| 19:56 |
chris |
ah, ive had plenty of bad ppa's |
| 19:56 |
braedon|work |
:P |
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but pps are the best invention ever :) |
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ppa's* |
| 19:56 |
chris |
when they work |
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:) |
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braedon|work |
anywho, better get back to work writing an install guide for koha on ubuntu :) |
| 19:57 |
chris |
:) |
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you could set up a ppa for the non packaged perl modules |
| 19:57 |
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dh-make-perl will package them for ya |
| 19:58 |
braedon|work |
hmm, that is an awesome idea |
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* braedon|work |
makes a mental note to look into that at some point |
| 19:58 |
chris |
:) |
| 19:59 |
* braedon|work |
has been getting rather frustrated with cpan |
| 19:59 |
chris |
cpanplus is pretty cool too |
| 19:59 |
richard |
braedon: seen this http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…];f=INSTALL.ubuntu |
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braedon|work |
yipyip, that is the basis of the guide |
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s/the/my/ |
| 20:00 |
chris |
wizzyrea_laptop: do you reckon we should put an development roles .. or elected roles or something section on koha-community |
| 20:00 |
braedon|work |
well, for the actual installatio nsection |
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i'm doing installation, configuration, data import, etc |
| 20:01 |
chris |
where we can list the ppl doing what for 3.4 ? (and 3.2) |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
yes, I do, if that's not outside the scope of the site |
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(which I don't think it is |
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I think at this point we should probably consider it to be what will take over for koha.org when we get it back |
| 20:01 |
chris |
just thought it might be handy to have a page with names and contact details |
| 20:01 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
when/if |
| 20:01 |
chris |
*nod* |
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Genji |
hey all |
| 20:01 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
hey genji |
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but yea, we can make a page, probably under "About" |
| 20:02 |
chris |
good idea |
| 20:02 |
* wizzyrea_laptop |
likes to organize |
| 20:02 |
gmcharlt |
or possibly part of a history of Koha page? |
| 20:02 |
joetho |
When I first began looking at Koha I noticed that the web presence was, umm, ...scattered |
| 20:02 |
chris |
we could do both |
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history section, and current ppl to pester page |
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? |
| 20:03 |
joetho |
this was maybe three years ago |
| 20:03 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
Ah history! yes, that too |
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release teams? |
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not sure what to call it >.> |
| 20:04 |
gmcharlt |
release teams works for me |
| 20:04 |
chris |
yeah that works |
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wizzyrea_laptop: the history.txt file in git is tab separated text, with the idea being to make it easy to suck into an html table |
| 20:05 |
Genji |
"bug wrangling expands to fill all available volunteers" i love this. |
| 20:05 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
gmcharlt has a gift for words :) |
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ok, the dummies are in |
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just need the content, some of which I can get myself |
| 20:06 |
Genji |
it reminds me of a sign i rescued from soemewhere... "Work expands to fill time available for its completion." |
| 20:07 |
gmcharlt |
exactly my source of inspiration |
| 20:07 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
but never contracts |
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>.< |
| 20:07 |
Genji |
parkinsons law.. |
| 20:07 |
jwagner |
@quote add <@gmcharlt> from my POV, bug wrangling expands to fill all available volunteers |
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munin |
jwagner: The operation succeeded. Quote #54 added. |
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braedon|work |
who is responsible for the new syspref editor? |
| 20:09 |
* braedon|work |
wants to hug them |
| 20:09 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
Pianohacker |
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gmcharlt |
braedon|work: that be pianohacker |
| 20:09 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
if you were going to hit him we might not tell you >.> |
| 20:10 |
braedon|work |
:) |
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i shall have to hug him when he comes on |
| 20:15 |
Genji |
want to run two zebra queries, and have them both shoved into the same results arrayhash. the current implementation of getRecords can do seperate server iterations, doing more than one search at a time. but it puts each resultset in its own element of the resultarray hash. i want the two zebra queries combined into one resultshash, so the ofsetting subroutine can offset correctly. |
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what values in the hash are independant of the actual results, that i have to account for the combining process? 'hits' is one correct? any others? |
| 20:16 |
gmcharlt |
Genji: stupid question - just 'and' the queries together before submitting to Zebra? |
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or are they separate Zebra DBs |
| 20:17 |
Genji |
same zebra db... almost the exact same query. but i need the first queries results to always come before the second queries results. |
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gmcharlt |
what's the use case? |
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| 20:21 |
Genji |
mandumah.com, a digital only library, has made a marc field, a journal number. and a mysql table keeps tabs on which journals are released for download, and which are not. so, in advanced search, one can search for all journals, for downloadable only journals... or non-downloadable journals. zebra gets given a huge list of journals not to have in the results. for all journals however... |
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downloadable journals are mixed in with non-downloadable. |
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my boss wants the downloadable journals to be at the top of the results. |
| 20:23 |
gmcharlt |
my inclination would be to copy the download flag to the MARC bib |
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index the target subfield |
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and have Zebra take care of the indexing |
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and sorting |
| 20:25 |
Genji |
yet, every time journals need to get their download flag updated... talking 40k articles so far, each article needs to get updated, that got modified. |
| 20:25 |
gmcharlt |
ah, an article-level database? |
| 20:25 |
Genji |
yah. each article is a biblio. |
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so having a download flag in marc would take alot of cpu time and rl time to update.. |
| 20:26 |
gmcharlt |
anyway, to answer in terms of your original question, 'hits' is the only top-level key |
| 20:27 |
Genji |
so its 'hits' and 'results'... and results i can just combine, and hits i can just add? |
| 20:27 |
gmcharlt |
assuming that there's no possibility of overlap, yes |
| 20:28 |
Genji |
well.. either a article is downloadable or its not. |
| 20:28 |
gmcharlt |
mod a possible race condition |
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although that can probably be ignored in practice |
| 20:30 |
Genji |
hmm... so i combine them as they come out of zoom::query, or after they come out of getRecords, or somewhere in the middle? |
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gmcharlt |
Genji: I recommend as close to zoom::query as possible |
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thd |
chris_n chris_n: are you there? |
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* chris_n |
checks |
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chris_n |
yes |
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:-) |
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thd |
what is a minimal enhancement? |
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chris_n |
thd: only an attempt to not shut a door I might have been sorry I shut later on |
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* gmcharlt |
has a suggestion - a "minimal enhancement" is one that can be readily forward-porting to HEAD |
| 20:41 |
thd |
chris_n: is there an exception for possibly integrating biblios as had been in the original 3.2 plan? |
| 20:41 |
gmcharlt |
it's not the size that matters so much as reducing the risk of losing features between a maintenance version and the master branch |
| 20:42 |
chris |
biblios has a flaw in that it doesnt work at all with unimarc |
| 20:42 |
gmcharlt |
it's also stability - unstable new features shoudn't be backported until they are stable |
| 20:42 |
thd |
I might fix that flaw |
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chris_n |
gmcharlt: I wholly agree |
| 20:43 |
chris |
thd: if that was fixed, it would be a perfect 3.4 candidate |
| 20:43 |
thd |
gmcharlt: is biblios unstable? |
| 20:43 |
gmcharlt |
thd: unstable? it needs some TLC because of Google Gears, but no, I wouldn't call it unstable |
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cait |
isnt gears a problem too? |
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thd |
gears is certainly a problem |
| 20:44 |
gmcharlt |
though as http://git.biblios.org/ shows, it hasn't been updated (exept perhaps outside of biblios.net in yonks) |
| 20:44 |
chris_n |
gears does not work with FF atm I think |
| 20:44 |
chris |
it does with hackery |
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if you trick it into thinking its older firefox than it is |
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then it will |
| 20:45 |
thd |
chris_n: I had wondered about the constant messages I get from iceweasel about that problem |
| 20:45 |
chris |
yep |
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gears isnt getting much love |
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focus is on html5 and chrome |
| 20:45 |
* chris_n |
finally yanked it on his ff |
| 20:47 |
gmcharlt |
ccatalfo is more than happy to strip the gears dependency, but tspauling is keeping him pretty busy |
| 20:47 |
chris |
*nod* |
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i met one of the librarything sysadmins at linux conf |
| 20:47 |
thd |
tspauling? |
| 20:47 |
chris_n |
thd: I think there are a lot of other questions, etc. about biblios which would have to be resolved before we can consider the possibility of an exception |
| 20:47 |
chris |
im hoping to convince him (john dalton) to come over for kohacon (he is in sydney) |
| 20:49 |
thd |
chris_n: I am simply thinking about how troublesome the limitations of the internal record editor are. |
| 20:49 |
chris |
yep, i think we have to live with that for 3.2 at least in a mainstream supported version |
| 20:49 |
chris_n |
I share your pain... or my catalogers do at least |
| 20:49 |
chris |
but we should certainly aim to fix it for 3.4 |
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you should talk to pianohacker about his cut down editor too |
| 20:50 |
thd |
chris_n: I very much like the good aspects of the internal record editor which are a great credit to paul_p and had not received enough attention in biblios |
| 20:51 |
gmcharlt |
thd: tspaulding = Tim Spaulding |
| 20:53 |
thd |
chris_n: however, I have tried to do useful high volume record ending in the internal record editor and found it unusable for that purpose. |
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thanks gmcharlt: I had assumed that was the correct name but missed the 'd' in spaulding and had not recognised it |
| 20:57 |
rhcl |
Any idea how well Koha (and associatedly MySql) performs on a hex-core opteron? Some of my reading indicates that many apps can't really utilize all 6 cores efficiently |
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chris |
more ram will win you much more than more cores |
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if however you are running zebra, apache2 and mysql on the same machine having more than 1 core will certainly help |
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brendan |
@wunder 93117 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 10.8�C (1:09 PM PST on February 09, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Rising). Flash Flood Watch in effect in and below the recent burn areas from 10 am PST this morning through this evening... |
| 21:14 |
rhcl |
looks like I can get two Xeon QC's for about the same price as 2 6-core Opterons |
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I suppose that would be good enough to run Koha |
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:) |
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chris |
http://koha-community.org/about/history/ |
| 21:37 |
richard |
what a great day August 26 2003 was |
| 21:37 |
* richard |
has no idea what he did |
| 21:37 |
chris |
i can find out |
| 21:37 |
richard |
prolly some html |
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is the cgi:irc blocked now? |
| 21:38 |
chris |
yes sir |
| 21:38 |
* Genji |
is the 33rd committer. |
| 21:38 |
richard |
way cool |
| 21:38 |
Genji |
yup, blocked last night. |
| 21:38 |
chris |
added help page links |
| 21:38 |
richard |
ah |
| 21:38 |
Genji |
we had idiots in channel. |
| 21:38 |
richard |
yup i was watching them for a bit |
| 21:39 |
Genji |
ooh.. ya.. you messaged me. |
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chris_n |
bbl |
| 21:43 |
* ebegin |
is wondering if anybody did an integration of VDX in Koha? |
| 21:45 |
chris |
not that im aware of |
| 21:49 |
ebegin |
ok. Thanks Chris! |
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imp |
does somebody know how to fix problems with Encode ? -> http://pastebin.ca/1791907 |
| 21:51 |
chris |
is your sax parser the right one? |
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imp |
dev-perl/XML-SAX-0.96 ? |
| 21:52 |
chris |
misc/sax_parser_print.pl |
| 21:52 |
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try running htat |
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(in your git repo, or tarball) |
| 21:53 |
imp |
chris: thanks :). i've got XML::SAX::PurePerl and it needs XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser |
| 21:54 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
richard: would have been my birthday :P |
| 21:54 |
richard |
heh |
| 21:54 |
chris |
imp: ah yep, thats often the way, we have to fix that properly, thats the main blocker for getting koha into debian/ubuntu |
| 21:55 |
imp |
it's gentoo here :) |
| 21:56 |
chris |
well that too ;) |
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basically we shouldnt depend on a system wide preference |
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but for now, we do |
| 21:57 |
imp |
chris++ |
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* braedon|work |
wonders if Pianohacker is deliberately avoiding his hug? |
| 22:04 |
chris |
coffee time |
| 22:05 |
cait |
time to sleep here :) |
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good night all |
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bigbrovar |
hey guys thanks to the helps of people here I have been able to install koha 3.05 on my ubuntu server. The only problem am having now is how to log into the koha true a web browser. I am behind a firewall and mosts ports are called. hence http:kohaserveradd:8080 wont work. (because I installled it on an headless server hence I would have to connect from another machine) |
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I tried using port forwarding and tunneling by doing ssh -L 8080:localhost:8080 bigbrovarkohip that doesnt work and I get this error channel 3: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused |
| 22:22 |
schuster |
by all - maybe I'll get to play with git tonight we will see... I have a couple of things that may need "submitting"... if I can figure it out. |
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rhcl |
ping wizzyrea_laptop |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
sup? |
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moodaepo |
@wunder 56001 |
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munin |
moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -4.7�C (4:20 PM CST on February 09, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -11.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Rising). |
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brendan |
@wunder 93117 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 12.7�C (2:19 PM PST on February 09, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Falling). Flash Flood Watch in effect in and below the recent burn areas from 10 am PST this morning through this evening... |
| 22:26 |
chris |
crappy day here today |
| 22:26 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
@wunder 66047 |
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chris |
@wunder wellignton, nz |
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munin |
wizzyrea_laptop: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -2.5�C (4:24 PM CST on February 09, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Rising). |
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chris: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 22:26 |
chris |
@wunder wellington, nz |
| 22:26 |
munin |
chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0�C (11:00 AM NZDT on February 10, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
crappier here |
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:P |
| 22:27 |
moodaepo |
brendan: Back to the normal! +7 && -7 |
| 22:27 |
brendan |
:) |
| 22:27 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
moo always beats me though |
| 22:27 |
rhcl |
wizzyrea: Did Jim Minges actually go out to the KUDOS meeting (in person) last month? |
| 22:28 |
wizzyrea_laptop |
yes, he did |
| 22:28 |
rhcl |
ic |
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collum_ |
@wunder 41017 |
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munin |
collum_: The current temperature in Taylor Mill, Taylor Mill, Kentucky is -1.4�C (5:22 PM EST on February 09, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 6 PM EST Wednesday... |
| 22:32 |
bigbrovar |
ok my bad I forgot to add Listening 8080 to /etc/apache2/ports.conf everything works fine now .. phew! |
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Listen* 8080 |
| 22:32 |
rhcl |
wizzyrea: wonder when KUDOS will have a meeting in KC? Or Dallas? (where is schuster?) |
| 22:33 |
chris |
schuster is near dallas |
| 22:33 |
GenjiScreen |
ah neat, irssi works well. |
| 22:36 |
rhcl |
Tulsa and OKC are about halfway between KC and DFW, wonder when Oklahoma libraries will start getting into Koha? |
| 22:36 |
chris |
i suspect lots of US libraries are waiting to see how this PTFS-LL thing shakes out |
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but generally the answer is, when their existing contract ends :-) |
| 22:37 |
rhcl |
yea on both comments |
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Genji |
ah.. getRecords goes through each record, and adds the raw to the resultshash. if i just move the my resultshash and $j outside the loop... and have another loop for the second query... my raw results will be added to the resultshash... yay1 |
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* braedon|work |
somehow managed to kick the power switch on the wall under his desk... |
| 22:44 |
Genji |
... |
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* braedon|work |
hopes his local virtual server isn't broken |
| 22:46 |
Genji |
had that happen to me. a rsync fixed most of the damage. |
| 22:47 |
braedon|work |
phew, everything seems to be alright |
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only lost a bit of firefox history :) |
| 22:47 |
Genji |
i had bad inodes and binary getting inside text files. |
| 22:47 |
braedon|work |
ouch |
| 22:51 |
Genji |
hmm.. actually.. think i might of had to rebuild the entire devel server... can't remember all that well. |
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lesson... make backups of your VM. |
| 22:53 |
braedon|work |
it wouldn't actually have been an issue if it was broken, so long as it was only internal - not virtualbox issues |
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i am planning on rolling it back to a older snapshot later today |
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(i have plenty of those - running out of HDD space :P) |
| 22:55 |
Genji |
oh. and if you can't afford a ups... use a laptop. :) |
| 23:03 |
chris |
im unusre what darrell was asking, i hope i answered him ok |
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"will this make it hard for people to maintain proprietary forks" |
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"i damn well hope so" |
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moodaepo |
proprietary_forks-- |
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* chris_n |
wonders why we waited until now to discuss the 3.4 plans |
| 23:21 |
chris_n |
the proposal has been up for at least 2 months |
| 23:21 |
chris |
yeah |
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ah well, im glad he is happy with it, just seemed like a funny question to ask |
| 23:24 |
collum_ |
Is there a way for catalogers to merge authority records in koha? |
| 23:25 |
chris |
there have been, lemme see if there currently is |
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2 secs |
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collum_ |
ok |
| 23:29 |
chris |
yup there is |
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but damned if i can find the link to it |
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there is cataloguing/merge.pl |
| 23:30 |
imp |
Can't call method "leader" on an undefined value at /root/koha/C4/Biblio.pm line 1149. (if i try to search for the title from this record: http://hannover.ccc.de/~imp/bib-7.utf8) |
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collum_ |
Ahh. For some reason I couldn't find it. |
| 23:30 |
chris |
yeah i cant find it in the interface |
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i wonder how you get to it |
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i can see the file in the repo |
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ah ha |
| 23:32 |
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Give the user the ability to merge two records, one being kept and the other deleted. Selection of the records to merge can be done from virtualshelves. |
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so you add some records to a virtualshelf/list |
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collum_ |
OK. I'll play with it. Thanks chris. |
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If I'm ever to sell Koha to my co-workers this is definitely one thing they will want. |
| 23:34 |
chris |
then you can go to the lists page, and now i get the option to merge |
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collum_ |
cool |
