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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:04 | nod | chris: you see all that talk about SMS's on nzoss? |
| 00:04 | School Management Sytems that is | |
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| 01:14 | chris | nod: my brain is pretty fried, ill try to catch up tomorrow |
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| 01:40 | Steven | hi...anybody there? |
| 01:40 | i m using Koha2.9 | |
| 01:41 | how come my Koha system didnt calculate overdue fine autimatically....eventhrough i have done the setting for issuing rules and there is 1 book is overdue | |
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| 01:43 | Steven | can anybody help me |
| 01:47 | anybody there | |
| 01:48 | chilts | sorry Steven, I can't help ... there are others around though (but remember, irc is a non-interactive messaging system, people might be away or busy) :) |
| 01:48 | someone will answer if they can :) | |
| 01:50 | Steven | thzx |
| 01:50 | you have this problem? | |
| 01:52 | chilts | not to my knowledge, though I do know that 2.9 is an older version of the software, there are newer versions which you might want to try |
| 01:55 | Steven | i know....just tat my college is running under Windows platform |
| 02:10 | anyone can guide me on fines running scripts | |
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| 02:45 | chris_n2 | gmcharlt: sorry, my question was regarding the search url's given above |
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| 03:37 | Amit | hi chris |
| 03:37 | morning #koha | |
| 03:43 | masonj | hiya amit |
| 03:43 | Amit | heya mason |
| 03:44 | masonj | long time no chat, how is everything over there? |
| 03:44 | busy with much koha stuff? | |
| 03:44 | Amit | mason: yes after long time everything is fine here |
| 03:44 | masonj | i have just started playing with koha3 on a debian AMD64 dual-core box |
| 03:45 | you have already done this AMD64, yes? | |
| 03:45 | 1 year ago, even? | |
| 03:45 | Amit | yes i have already done on 64bit OS |
| 03:46 | on centos | |
| 03:46 | masonj | centos AMD64? |
| 03:46 | Amit | no Centos 64 bit OS |
| 03:46 | not on AMD64 | |
| 03:46 | what about koha performance with AMD64 | |
| 03:48 | masonj | aaah... |
| 03:48 | CentOS-5 x86_64 (AMD64 and Intel EMT64) architectures. | |
| 03:49 | centos x86_64 = debian AMD64 | |
| 03:49 | Amit | Intel |
| 03:49 | ok | |
| 03:51 | masonj | i have not started benchmarking 32bit and 64bit systems yet |
| 03:51 | Amit | ok |
| 03:51 | masonj | im curious to see if there are any performance improvements to 64bit koha |
| 03:52 | i will get back to you with my results ;) | |
| 03:54 | fyi: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ | |
| 03:54 | Amit | k |
| 03:57 | richard | hey masonj and Amit |
| 03:57 | masonj | heya richard |
| 03:57 | richard | how long have had koha set up on the AMD64 box? |
| 03:57 | masonj | bout 2 days ;) |
| 03:58 | richard | :) |
| 03:58 | masonj | twas a *very* easy setup tho |
| 03:58 | si | hlt has been on amd64 koha for a while |
| 03:59 | masonj | i was expecting to compile the yaz/zebra stuff myself at least, but no.. |
| 03:59 | si | lets you address more RAM, and they have > 4GB RAM on their servers |
| 04:01 | masonj | i wanna see what the difference is between a 32bit-PAE install, and a AMD64 install |
| 04:01 | performance wise... which i can actually do now :) | |
| 04:03 | Amit | heya richard |
| 04:04 | heya si | |
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| 04:52 | brendan | night #koha |
| 04:52 | :) | |
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| 05:52 | Steven | anybody there? |
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| 05:58 | Steven | 15nybody |
| 05:59 | anybody | |
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| 06:06 | Amit | hi steven |
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| 06:11 | Steven | cant help me |
| 06:12 | can u? | |
| 06:12 | i m wondering how come my koha 2.9 didnt generate the overdue fine automatically... | |
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| 06:25 | Steven | i m wondering how come my koha 2.9 didnt generate the overdue fine automatically... |
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| 20:39 | Topic for #koha is now Next Community meeting 2nd Feb 2010 at 1900 UTC | |
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| 20:45 | brendan | hi |
| 20:45 | chris_n | wb #koha |
| 20:46 | chris | :) |
| 20:46 | chris_n | heya chris |
| 20:46 | feeling any better? | |
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| 20:46 | brendan | heya chris |
| 20:47 | chris | a bit, still pretty crappy, but getting better |
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| 20:47 | pianohacker | Hello again oceania |
| 20:47 | * chris_n | munges through C4::Search |
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| 20:48 | chris_n | complaining bitterly as I go |
| 20:48 | pianohacker | no other way to do it, that's a grubby module |
| 20:48 | chris_n | chris: you up to a question? |
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| 20:50 | wizzyrea | Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers |
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| 20:51 | * walter | hangs out in #koha for a little |
| 20:51 | moodaepo | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:51 | walter | not something i do very often |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | it's a shame really |
| 20:51 | ;) | |
| 20:51 | brendan | hi walter |
| 20:51 | chris_n | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:51 | hi walter | |
| 20:51 | walter | hey brendan and everyone |
| 20:51 | gmcharlt | hi walter |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | what'd I do? |
| 20:52 | chris_n | @quote add <wizzyrea> Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers |
| 20:52 | munin | chris_n: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 20:52 | walter | i'm usually hanging out in #kete and #katipo, of course |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | Oh THAT |
| 20:52 | chris_n | wow, sorry munin |
| 20:53 | gmcharlt | @quote add <wizzyrea> Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers |
| 20:53 | munin | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #52 added. |
| 20:53 | chris | chris_n: yep whats up? |
| 20:53 | jwagner | So nice to have everyone back :-) |
| 20:53 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 20:53 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.3�C (12:46 PM PST on January 28, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:54 | chris_n | chris: C4::Search... about line 1099 |
| 20:54 | chris | yep |
| 20:54 | chris_n | you submitted a patch that commented out $query =~ s/:/=/g; |
| 20:55 | this causes a bunch of links in opac-detail.pl to break | |
| 20:55 | so | |
| 20:55 | $query =~ s/(?<=(ti|au|pb|su|an|kw|mc)):/=/g; | |
| 20:55 | appears to be a more tolerable workaround | |
| 20:55 | chris | that's better |
| 20:55 | yup | |
| 20:55 | chris_n | do you see any problem if I submit that change? |
| 20:56 | * chris_n | thinks it is preferable to the many code changes required otherwise |
| 20:56 | gmcharlt | still breaks a lot of stuff |
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| 20:56 | chris | nope, that seems like a much nicer one, the original problem broke any searches that had : in them |
| 20:56 | chris_n | and the query parser ought to be fixed |
| 20:56 | gmcharlt | as any other ccl indexes that people may have built permalinks off of would still be broken |
| 20:56 | chris_n | gmcharlt: but less stuff than before :-) |
| 20:56 | chris | yeah, the whole C4/Search is slated for a rewrite |
| 20:57 | jwagner | chris or chris_n, is this going to solve the problem of searching for a title like 3:10 to Yuma? (can't search if it has the colon in it)? |
| 20:57 | chris | jwagner: it fixed that |
| 20:57 | chris_n | I'm not sure I've caught all of the limit operators or not |
| 20:57 | jwagner | YEAH!!!!! |
| 20:57 | chris | but it broke other stuff |
| 20:57 | the other stuff is what we are trying to fix | |
| 20:57 | jwagner | Oh, well, win some/lose some.... |
| 20:58 | chris_n | gmcharlt: do you agree that this is a less havoc-wreaking fix then the former? |
| 20:58 | jwagner | But the _end result_ is going to be a fix for the 3:10 type search, right? (she said hopefully) |
| 20:58 | chris | yep |
| 20:58 | jwagner | to quote wizzyrea: Squeeeeeee |
| 20:58 | chris_n | lol |
| 20:59 | chris | it was pretty hugely broken, in that anything with a : couldnt be searched on |
| 20:59 | gmcharlt | chris_n: it is, but none of our options are particularly good |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | !!! |
| 20:59 | my work here is done. | |
| 20:59 | * wizzyrea | has passed on her memes, and now has no reason to exist |
| 20:59 | jwagner | Don't worry, I'll hand them right back. |
| 20:59 | * gmcharlt | waggles finger at chris, though - breaking OPAC search links, though? |
| 20:59 | chris_n | then I'll submit this fix and mark the other patch as deprecated |
| 21:01 | chris | cool thanks, yeah that second patch (the quick comment out) was ill advised |
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| 21:03 | chris | that whole query parser is just a big mess |
| 21:04 | gmcharlt | chris: who's lined up to redo C4::Search? |
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| 21:04 | chris | no one has been crazy enough to volunteer yet |
| 21:05 | cait | hi all |
| 21:05 | chris | im thinking it would be better split into 2 modules |
| 21:05 | one being the parser, another that does the search | |
| 21:05 | gmcharlt | s/lined up/silly enough to be standing around so that we can dragoon them into/ |
| 21:06 | + possibly a URL rewriter to handle old style search links - I suspect that as part of rewriting the parser, we'll have to constrain the syntax it accepts a bit | |
| 21:07 | chris | yeah i think a tighter syntax that is more consistently parsed is the win |
| 21:07 | * chris_n | runs out of the room screaming |
| 21:07 | chris | heh |
| 21:07 | imp | :D |
| 21:07 | cait | :) |
| 21:08 | imp | is there a formal definition of the /language/ the parser should be able to parse? |
| 21:08 | chris_n | imp: all of them :-) |
| 21:08 | gmcharlt | yeah, there are several - CCL itself is ill-defined |
| 21:08 | there's CQL | |
| 21:09 | there's the Google-style type syntax that most people *really* want | |
| 21:12 | * imp | wrote a parser for a programming language at the uni |
| 21:12 | cait | swp? |
| 21:12 | imp | but i never wrote anything big in perl |
| 21:13 | chris | sounds like imp just volunteered to me |
| 21:13 | :) | |
| 21:13 | cait | poor imp |
| 21:13 | chris_n | hehe |
| 21:13 | imp | cait: nope, "programming languages and compilers", the practical exercise |
| 21:13 | jwagner | I definitely heard that too! |
| 21:13 | cait | he has to learn for an exam, dont help him to avoid it |
| 21:14 | imp | cait: pssst ;) |
| 21:14 | cait | ;) |
| 21:14 | imp | :D |
| 21:14 | chris_n | in opac-search.pl: exactly what information is this line supposed to convey: Availability: Copies available: Jones Library (1), Jones Library (1), |
| 21:16 | gmcharlt | branch (number items not checked out, lost, or missing) - although duplication is odd |
| 21:16 | chris_n | exactly |
| 21:17 | the logic is out of sync with the display | |
| 21:17 | searchResults counts each item available separately regardless of if it is a duplicate copy or not | |
| 21:18 | * chris_n | adds another item to the fix list of C4::Search |
| 21:19 | imp | just remind me next week and i'll take a look if it's something possible to do for me |
| 21:20 | chris | cool |
| 21:21 | chris_n | bbl |
| 21:21 | hdl_laptop | chris_n: |
| 21:21 | again, | |
| 21:22 | nahuel sent fixes for the C4/Search on 3.0 | |
| 21:23 | bug 3584 | |
| 21:23 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3584 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinettibiblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Set a default index to search on. |
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| 21:23 | hdl_laptop | But it hard codes all the ccl rather than getting it from the ccl.properties files. |
| 21:23 | chris | hi pmlozeau |
| 21:24 | pmlozeau | hi chris |
| 21:24 | hdl_laptop | sorry... was back reading logs. |
| 21:24 | pmlozeau | finally learning and understanding how irc works |
| 21:24 | chris | :) |
| 21:24 | pmlozeau | yep total newb |
| 21:25 | hdl_laptop | chris_n: maybe this kind of thing is what you want to do. |
| 21:25 | http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bi[…]0163ed9f87d0ab540 | |
| 21:26 | But indeed, C4::Search needs serious work | |
| 21:27 | getting facets and process of items for status out of the getRecords would be first step | |
| 21:29 | gmcharlt: chris I am really really concerned about C4::Search. | |
| 21:29 | But redesign would be really really not trivial. | |
| 21:30 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: yeah, redoing it is not an option for 3.2 - we'll have to keep the spit-and-bailing-wire going |
| 21:30 | hdl_laptop | I can see two modules at least. Query and Engine with submodules. |
| 21:30 | gmcharlt | but I agree that it would be nice to have it be a priority for 3.4 |
| 21:31 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: I would not even scare everyone out of 3.2 with such an idea ;) |
| 21:32 | I think it would be good to be able to discuss such things with more ppl... | |
| 21:32 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: possible could break it down further - QueryParser, Search, Search::Zebra, Search::NoZebra (if we must ;), Search::Solr, etc. + ResultsFormatter |
| 21:32 | chris | yeah |
| 21:32 | jwagner | hdl_laptop, hackfest or virtual hackfest? |
| 21:33 | chris | monolithic_modules-- |
| 21:33 | hdl_laptop | jwagner: should be organised with some virtual rooms. |
| 21:33 | Circulation - Serials - items - Search engine. | |
| 21:34 | jwagner | There ought to be some way to schedule regular virtual hackfests. Not everyone is going to get to NZ for Kohacon, and any regional meetings aren't going to include everyone. |
| 21:34 | hdl_laptop | And planned by order of priority |
| 21:34 | and complexity | |
| 21:34 | I forgot DBIx::Class | |
| 21:34 | TT2..... | |
| 21:34 | Well days are only 24 hours ;) | |
| 21:35 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: you forgot C4::TimeMachine |
| 21:35 | jwagner | and C4::CloneDeveloper |
| 21:35 | cait | hdl_laptop: yes, someone should rewrite that... need more hours |
| 21:35 | ;) | |
| 21:36 | chris | c4::search is rapidly moving to my top priority for 3.4 |
| 21:36 | hdl_laptop | jwagner: developer is one thing, brain somtimes seems to be other one ;) |
| 21:36 | imp | just get everybody on a plane and let's travel with the sun -> more hours per day ;) |
| 21:36 | chris | but the good thing is it isnt contigent on any of the other work |
| 21:36 | ok im going to get some more sleep, try to shake off this flu | |
| 21:37 | hdl_laptop | Well... speaking of TimeMachine.... My inner machine is going down for some rest see you ;) |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | yes, I encourage this |
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| 21:59 | schuster | Owen gone yet? |
| 21:59 | catch him tomorrow... | |
| 22:00 | @later tell owen - can you look at bug 2930? Is this something that is a template change or??? It is an enhancement, but would seem to be fairly easy. | |
| 22:00 | munin | schuster: The operation succeeded. |
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| 23:23 | Topic for #koha is now Next Community meeting 2nd Feb 2010 at 1900 UTC | |
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| 23:28 | masonj | . |
| 23:28 | chris | lets hope telstraclear dont bust their routes again |
| 23:29 | brendan | and we're back |
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| 23:30 | masonj | i was all set to send a ranty email to the list, bout TC... looks like i wont need to now |
| 23:31 | chris_n | masonj: at least not for the next minute or so ;-) |
| 23:32 | imp | maybe somebody should put the freenode channel here into the topic too? |
| 23:33 | or is the irc server really unreachable, even for the ones on the same network? | |
| 23:34 | rhcl | For US libraries needing a Koha server, or maybe even for vendors to suggest to library clients for a server to minimize costs... |
| 23:35 | this might be one option... http://www.techsoup.org/stock/[…]y_name=Sun&Page=1 | |
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| 23:39 | rhcl | If you can work with Solaris 10 anyway. :) |
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| 23:39 | imp | rhcl: the hardware sounds great :) (and i guess it's loud as hell :D) |
| 23:40 | rhcl | Well, I just ordered two. I'll let you know. :) But I have a server room that's already loud. |
| 23:40 | imp | ok :D |
| 23:41 | rhcl | But yea, the specs are pretty decent.... 8 GB of memory, dual SCSI drives, dual Opteron CPU's, DVD... |
| 23:41 | just need to add a data disk | |
| 23:42 | imp | my experience is, the older sun products are loud and at the lower frequency range, the new ones are /screaming/ more or less higher ;) |
| 23:42 | rhcl | Well, nothing can be as bad as the old Compaq G1's and G2's. |
| 23:43 | imp | dunno, never heard one :D |
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| 23:52 | CGI899 | hello all, We are doing our first import into koha and want to know about how long does it take to import the file into koha? |
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