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03:31 | Amit | hi chris |
03:31 | morning all | |
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04:11 | indradg | @wunder kolkata |
04:11 | munin | indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 15.0�C (9:20 AM IST on December 28, 2009). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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04:33 | CGI645 | hi amit... |
04:33 | Amit | hi indradg |
04:34 | CGI645 | this is sivab amit.. |
04:34 | Amit | hi CGI645 |
04:35 | CGI645 | hi...now i am able to connect to my opac and admin pages...but the browser responds...trying to open a file...do u want to save or stuff...and for admin page it says koha error...koha 3 on debian linux... |
04:36 | amit...i have been with this for more than 10 days or so...some forward movement...but still want to get this one running..kindly help.. | |
04:39 | brendan....koha 3 on deb etch.. could u clarify my installation issues... | |
04:39 | Amit | whr u stuck |
04:43 | CGI645 | amit....when i type locallhost or ip to access the opac it says tyring to open a file of type PL file and for admin page access: koha error fatal error...compilation aborted at line 85.... |
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04:45 | CGI645 | amit... |
04:47 | amit u there... | |
04:48 | brendan | hi amit |
04:48 | Amit | hi brendan |
04:48 | yes | |
04:50 | CGI645 | amit ...got my error messages?? |
04:51 | Amit | y |
04:51 | CGI645 | really getting to me !!! u in india... |
04:54 | amit... | |
04:56 | russ problems with koha 3 on deb etch...could u clarify.... | |
04:57 | Amit | yes |
05:05 | CGI645 | amit....so no way for me to move forward or what?? |
05:06 | ne reasons for the errors that i listed............ | |
05:09 | hi ropuch... | |
05:17 | amit | |
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05:38 | CGI645 | frederic1 hi could u help me with koha 3 on deb etch installation.... |
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05:45 | crackjack | Hello alll.....Its a chilling gud morining from Nepal |
05:48 | I need help in displaying conditional variables in my search.tmpl | |
05:48 | how can I do it?? | |
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06:08 | crackjack | How can I check whether I have "YES" or "NO" in my 953 'a' field data |
06:19 | CGI645 | crackjack.....could u help me with koha installationon deb etch... |
06:19 | crackjack | sure |
06:19 | do you have a manual??? | |
06:21 | CGI645 | i trty accessing the opac page.... the browser says trying to open PL file and admin page the browser says fatal error....compilation aborted at line 85....context.pm failed to locate..... |
06:22 | i have followed all the steps in the debian.INSTALL file.... | |
06:22 | some of them went thru with warnings.... | |
06:22 | earlier i was not able to connect to the opac and server pages...now that issue is thru... | |
06:22 | crackjack | have you made the installation complete??? |
06:23 | CGI645 | crackjack...got my issue? |
06:23 | an't locate ZOOM.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 85.BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 85.Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Output.pm line 30.BEGIN fail | |
06:24 | thats the actual error message.... | |
06:24 | crack....i am with it for the past week or more...kindly help me to get done with it.... | |
06:25 | yes i went thru all the steps....of the installation with warnings some places...my guess the yaz and zebra have not got installed properly...not sure...this is based on my readings over the net on koha... | |
06:27 | crack u there... | |
06:27 | crackjack | ok |
06:28 | it seems that installation with errors | |
06:28 | did you select zebra or no zebra? | |
06:28 | CGI645 | zebra was selected... |
06:28 | so the stuff will work withotu zebra as well? | |
06:28 | crackjack | and what was the warning like? |
06:29 | CGI645 | should i repeat those steps without zebra...and try... |
06:29 | crackjack | no |
06:29 | tell me what you did when you started the web installer | |
06:30 | it asked for username and password? | |
06:30 | asked for language selection | |
06:30 | CGI645 | i am not able to load the opac and admin pages... successfully..... |
06:30 | i cudnt go thru these steps... | |
06:31 | crackjack | you cannot load the opac and admin pages until you have successfully completed the web installer steos |
06:31 | http://your-ip:your-port | |
06:31 | did you do that? | |
06:31 | CGI645 | i type my ip:port the koha error occurs.... |
06:32 | crackjack | what is the error? |
06:32 | CGI645 | fatal error....n't locate ZOOM.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 85.BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 85.Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Output.pm line |
06:34 | crackjack | it means that you have error in your make install step |
06:34 | you are using KOHA 3 right? | |
06:34 | CGI645 | yes.... |
06:34 | koha 3... | |
06:34 | should i reinstall... | |
06:34 | crackjack | ya |
06:34 | CGI645 | but i get those warnings... again.. |
06:35 | crackjack | first delete all the contents from /usr/share/koha |
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06:35 | crackjack | then remove all the zebra server links and koha site links form /etc/koha |
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06:36 | CGI645 | neother links to be removed... |
06:37 | i have removed all the contents in the two dirs....the dir is empty now...should i repeat the installation steps starting from PERL Makefile.PL | |
06:39 | crackjack | extract a fresh copy on KOHA first |
06:39 | and then run PERL Makefile.PL | |
06:39 | look for errors and warning having *** | |
06:41 | CGI645 | yes there were warnings in it... |
06:42 | crackjack | can you read that warning for me |
06:43 | CGI645 | yes one minute.... |
06:44 | prerequisite Algorithm::CheckDigits 0.5 not found. and warnings like this.....but nothing **** | |
06:44 | prerequisite YAML::Syck 0.71 not found. | |
06:46 | crack i shall join u later....cud u pass on ur email id...thanx... | |
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08:39 | CGI361 | hi |
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10:45 | crackjack | can anyone help me display conditional variables in template? |
10:46 | I want a link to be displayed in search results only if the field 953 'a' has "YES" | |
10:46 | how can I do this? | |
10:55 | anyone here knows how to display links in template according to conditions | |
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11:36 | crackjack | |
11:36 | can anyone help me display conditional variables in template? | |
11:36 | I want a link to be displayed in search results only if the field 953 'a' has "YES" | |
11:36 | how can I do this? | |
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13:09 | indradg | @wunder kolkata |
13:09 | munin | indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 18.0�C (6:20 PM IST on December 28, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
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13:10 | jdavidb | @wunder 20852 |
13:10 | munin | jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 0.8�C (8:03 AM EST on December 28, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 999.9 hPa (Falling). |
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13:26 | jwagner | @wunder 20740 |
13:26 | munin | jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 2.0�C (8:23 AM EST on December 28, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Rising). |
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13:48 | nengard | morning all |
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13:53 | jwagner | Morning nengard |
13:54 | owen | Back to work. |
13:55 | nengard: Looks like a few people are actually responding to your "remind" bug statuses | |
13:56 | nengard | I know!! |
13:56 | I love it!! | |
13:56 | jwagner | A little nagging does wonders sometimes.... |
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14:25 | nengard | owen, i tried to tackle bug 2969 yesterday -but apparently my js knowledge isn't good enough -is this an easy fix you can do? |
14:25 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2969 major, P3, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Report Name should be mandatory for saved reports |
14:26 | brendan | @wunder 04103 |
14:26 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in North Deering, Portland, Maine is 0.1�C (9:15 AM EST on December 28, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Falling). |
14:26 | owen | nengard: I could see about adding some js validation, but that would only be half a fix I think |
14:26 | There should be server-side logic to back it up | |
14:28 | nengard | ah |
14:28 | okay | |
14:31 | jwagner | The SQL field is required -- make the report name the same way? |
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14:39 | nengard | jwagner - yeah that might do it |
14:41 | owen | anyone know why I would be getting this message when trying to place a hold in the staff client? "No copies are available to be placed on hold" |
14:41 | There's definitely one copy available. | |
14:43 | jwagner | Obvious first things to check -- are on-shelf holds allowed, does that item type allow holds, etc. |
14:44 | owen | Oh, on-shelf holds! I didn't realize that was turned off by default. |
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14:47 | owen | As far as anyone knows, should a single "default" issuing rule work for all patrons at all branches? |
14:48 | * owen | is still being told he has too many holds. |
14:48 | jwagner | owen, you're talking about setting a rule at the top-most level of the circ rules? Not going into a library first? I had trouble getting that to work when I tried it, but that was a while back. |
14:49 | owen | Right, I have numbers set for default patron category, default item type, default library |
14:49 | I guess I'll try adding some lines | |
14:49 | jwagner | owen, regarding problems placing holds, if this is in OPAC, see Bug 3785 |
14:49 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3785 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chrisbigballofwax.co.nz, ASSIGNED, New Install, no maxreserves setting, OPAC holds fail |
14:53 | owen | Hm, applying that patch doesn't solve my problem (before adding any additional issuing rules) |
14:56 | Can't place a hold even after adding an issuing rule for my patron/branch/itemtype *and* applying that patch | |
14:59 | jwagner | If you set an equivalent circ rule under the library, does it work? |
15:00 | owen | Do you mean under "defaults for this library?" |
15:00 | jwagner | In circ rules, instead of at top level, select the appropriate library & create the rule. |
15:01 | owen | Yeah, that's what I meant about adding a rule for my patron/branch/itemtype. I've got a rule for my branch, my patron category, and the itemtype in question. |
15:01 | jwagner | I'm running out of ideas :-( |
15:14 | owen | Hmmm... Bug 2575: A bug in adding patron attribute fields in an unknown version of IE on Vista, not reproduceable on XP in FF3 or IE7? |
15:14 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2575 normal, P3, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, RESOLVED REMIND, Non-superlibrarian staff cannot add/modify new patron attibute fields in Vista |
15:14 | owen | I think there are limits... |
15:14 | imp | @wunder berlin |
15:14 | munin | imp: Error: No such location could be found. |
15:14 | imp | @wunder berlin germany |
15:14 | munin | imp: Error: No such location could be found. |
15:14 | jwagner | There are limits in the circ rules, but the default is From Any Library (should be, anyway). |
15:14 | imp | oO |
15:19 | nengard | owen - i have that issue to |
15:19 | owen | nengard: The holds issue? |
15:19 | nengard | basically circ rules aren't saving and so you can't place holds if there are no rules - yes the holds issue |
15:20 | haven't seen a patch for that yet ... | |
15:20 | off to find the bug i reported | |
15:21 | bug 3861 | |
15:21 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3861 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chrisbigballofwax.co.nz, ASSIGNED, Can't Place Holds in OPAC |
15:21 | nengard | and bug 3864 |
15:21 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3864 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinettibiblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Cannot place holds in staff client |
15:22 | nengard | oh wait - i don't think i reported my other bug!!! |
15:22 | can't find it ... hmm | |
15:22 | owen | Bug 3870 |
15:22 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3870 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinettibiblibre.com, NEW, Can't add circulation and fines rules |
15:22 | nengard | yes, that's the one owen |
15:22 | thanks | |
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15:24 | owen | 3870 says patch-sent, but I can't find the patch |
15:26 | nengard | yup .... me neither |
15:26 | owen | Wait, I think this is it: [PATCH] Bug with update database, was causing finedays not to add, which broke adding issuingrules related to bug 3864 |
15:26 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3864 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinettibiblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Cannot place holds in staff client |
15:27 | owen | http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]ember/004988.html |
15:28 | And I manually updated my database according to that patch | |
15:29 | nengard | owen - did it solve the problem? |
15:29 | owen | No |
15:29 | nengard | bleh |
15:31 | owen | Yeah, I've got a patchwork of suggestions and fixes none of which are working :( |
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15:46 | hilongo | hello there owen , nengard |
15:47 | owen | Hello hilongo |
15:47 | hilongo | which version of koha are you working with? |
15:47 | owen | The latest development version |
15:48 | hilongo | ahh ... great :) |
15:48 | I'm about to upgrade one production server to 3.04 and suddenly got nervous | |
15:48 | :P | |
15:49 | nengard | hilongo - you should skip 3.0.4 and go to 3.0.5 :) |
15:49 | hilongo | is it out ? |
15:50 | stable, I mean | |
15:52 | owen | Yes: http://download.koha.org/ |
15:52 | nengard | owen - it's not on download.koha.org - i thought it was only on koha-fr |
15:52 | hilongo | downloading |
15:53 | owen | nengard: It's on koha.org now |
15:53 | nengard | found it |
15:53 | hilongo | yes ... it is |
15:53 | owen | ...just not shown as such on the home page :( |
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15:54 | nengard | :) |
15:54 | wrong smily | |
16:03 | nelsonf | hi everyone. I've been struggling with e-mail ODUE notification for some time. Our Linux gurus installed Postfix and I think put the pl script in crontab, but I'm not receiving e-mails. I'm pretty sure the pl script was run manually to generate the e-mails. I'd appreciate any feedback... |
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16:17 | wizzyrea | um, good morning? very quiet! |
16:17 | owen | We were having a 13-minute moment of silence for your goose. |
16:20 | wizzyrea | !! |
16:21 | owen | Okay, back to work everyone! |
16:21 | wizzyrea | lol |
16:24 | nelsonf | we've got lots of patron types and overdue_notices.pl runs thru all of them, repeatedly for each fo the 4 branches, even though only one patron type for one branch is set to receive the ODUE notices. |
16:25 | wizzyrea | nengard: you there chica? |
16:25 | nengard | wizzyrea yup yup - patching patching :) |
16:25 | wizzyrea | okies, I think I see what happened with the note |
16:25 | nengard | awesome! |
16:25 | wizzyrea | it was part of new acq, it was in and then the template that I changed was overwritten |
16:25 | so I'll fix it again | |
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16:25 | wizzyrea | ;) |
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16:29 | nengard | awesome - thanks wizzyrea |
16:35 | wizzyrea | hm. I get an error 500 whenever I try to get the acquisitions on my install |
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16:36 | wizzyrea | nm I found it :P |
16:37 | jwagner | nelsonf, is the problem that overdues aren't being generated, or that they're being generated for patrons not set to get them? |
16:37 | owen | *whew* made it through all the new bugzilla emails, but my inbox is still filled with stuff to look at. |
16:38 | nelsonf | not being generated. I'm trying to set up tests by checking out books for myself, to trigger notices, but no notices forthcoming |
16:39 | nengard | sorry for all the emails owen :) but thanks for checking those!!! |
16:39 | owen | No, thank you for all the emails! |
16:41 | nelsonf | jwagner, I run perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl -t -n -v and can see the patron type and branch output. should I show you this? |
16:42 | wizzyrea | hmm. I actually don't particularly like this new suggestion interface :( |
16:42 | jwagner | nelsonf, not sure we can troubleshoot here -- need lots of info. Doublecheck your triggers and make sure your overdue date (with grace period) matches the trigger date. I always have trouble dialing it in. |
16:43 | nelsonf | how does the grace period factor in? |
16:44 | jwagner | Come to think of it, does grace period affect overdue notices, or fines? Anyone? |
16:49 | nelsonf | I have a fine grace period of 3 days, and fine charging interval of 7 days, for my patron/branch type. I've been working off the idea that if a book is due yesterday -- with Delay 1 for ODUE, I then should receive an e-mail today. |
16:52 | jwagner | Does the patron category say Yes for receiving overdues? |
16:53 | nelsonf | Yes. For testing, my patron category (LIB-S) is the only one that says Yes. We have many (10?) patron types, all say No but LIB-S. |
16:53 | wizzyrea | nengard: http://screencast.com/t/ODgyMDAzZTYt like so?/ |
16:54 | nengard | wizzyrea looks good to me |
16:54 | also make sure it goes to the edit suggestion form as well | |
16:54 | click on the title in your suggestion there and see if it's in the form | |
16:54 | wizzyrea | not sure why you'd want to sort on that, will have to fix that |
16:54 | yea, it's there | |
16:54 | nengard | awesome |
16:55 | wizzyrea | at the bottom, Notes |
16:55 | cool, I'll get this ready to send :) | |
16:55 | thanks for catching that | |
16:57 | nelsonf | jwagner, In trigger screen (overduerules.pl) I'm assigning Delay numbers in the Default library. All other libraries show Delay null and Letter "No notice". Actually one other patron type lists Yes to receive ODUE, but this is set to Delay null and Letter "No notice" for all three letters. |
16:58 | jwagner | Try setting the delay under the actual library instead of under the top default level. per my earlier discussion with owen, I've had problems with doing the setup at the default level. |
16:59 | nelsonf | okay. then I Save Changes, run the pl script from PutTY and the e-mail should be generated manually? |
16:59 | jwagner | With luck.... |
17:04 | nelsonf | do I also need to run perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl -v to generate the actual e-mail? |
17:04 | jwagner | Yes |
17:04 | nelsonf | fingers crossed... |
17:15 | just looking at the sql output, I see Returns 0 rows for each of the 3 passes on CFCE | LIB-S. FYI, I set Delay to 6,7,8 and see output (6,7) for first pass, then (7,8), then (8,90). No e-mail apparently generated. I have items due 19,20,21,22 December. | |
17:17 | Oops, thats (7,8) - no emoticon. | |
17:19 | jwagner | nelsonf, I'm out of ideas -- anyone else? |
17:20 | nelsonf | thanks for offering suggestions on my current grail search! |
17:34 | a related question? for PREDUE advance notices I can't get check box to show up under the patron messaging tab. I only have blanks (a dash -, actually) for SMS/Email/Digest only, and RSS. However, on the Item DUE row I see check boxes for SMS/Email/Digest only. Maybe my version doesn't support this feature? 3.00.01.005 | |
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17:36 | chris | owen: you about? |
17:36 | owen | Yes |
17:38 | nelsonf | In the manual I see "bug #2455" and "IMPORTANT: This feature is still experimental", so maybe I should leave well enough alone for now! http://koha.org/documentation/[…]sagingpreferences |
17:38 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2455 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, RESOLVED FIXED, remove SMS column from patron messaging preferences if SMSSendDriver is not defined |
17:38 | pastebot | "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "issuingrules" (21 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/100 |
17:39 | chris | does your issuingrules table look like that? |
17:39 | brendan | howdy chris |
17:39 | cya all later | |
17:39 | :) | |
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17:39 | owen | chris: yes |
17:40 | chris | and you still cant add circulation rules? |
17:40 | nengard | hi chris |
17:40 | chris | http://librarian.koha.workbuff[…]in/smart-rules.pl |
17:40 | owen | chris: sorry, the whole issue is getting muddled. Yes, I can add circ rules. But I still can't place holds |
17:40 | chris | ahh totally different bug |
17:41 | owen | chris: Yes, but I had to modify the issuingrules table by hand just to be able to add circ rules |
17:41 | So yes, the issuingrules table bug exists. | |
17:41 | nengard | chris me too - mine looks like that and i can't add rules |
17:41 | owen | It just doesn't solve my problem all by itself. |
17:43 | chris | well adding that column fixes adding rules, at least for owen and I |
17:43 | owen: reserves from opac or staff side? | |
17:43 | owen | Staff side is what I was testing |
17:44 | I'd have to apply your bug-fix for OPAC holds in order to test that... All these pending patches! | |
17:44 | chris | k, dont worry about opac |
17:45 | right can you do a select * from issuingrules and paste it? | |
17:46 | pastebot | "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "issuingrules" (8 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/101 |
17:46 | "owen" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "select * from issuingrules;" (16 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/102 | |
17:47 | chris | right, can you try one thing for me |
17:48 | add a rule with default patron category and an itemtype (whatever itemtype you were trying to place a hold on) | |
17:48 | with 50 reserves set | |
17:49 | also on this page | |
17:49 | http://librarian.koha.workbuff[…]de=ADULT&branch=* | |
17:49 | what is the hold policy? | |
17:50 | (i have from any library) | |
17:52 | owen | Sorry chris, if I don't leave I won't have time for lunch before I have to work at another branch today. Can we pick this up tomorrow? |
17:52 | chris | yep |
17:52 | owen | thanks |
17:52 | * owen | hates to walk out on some good help! |
17:52 | will be back in a bit, but without his testing setup | |
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19:27 | SelfishMan | o hai |
19:27 | I knew this window was hiding somehwere | |
19:29 | chris | heh |
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19:50 | rhcl | @seen kyle |
19:50 | munin | rhcl: kyle was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, 43 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <kyle> A late thought, instead of having a version number battle, why not move to a date based versioning system like Ubuntu? Koha 9.12? |
19:51 | rhcl | Kyle has done some amazing work with libki. http://libki.org |
19:52 | chris | yeah its pretty cool |
19:52 | rhcl | do you use it at all? |
19:55 | chris | nope, but ive seen it in action |
19:55 | it knocks the socks off most of the proprietary alternatives | |
19:57 | wizzyrea | rhcl have you used libki? |
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20:19 | chris | wb nengard |
20:20 | rhcl | We're just starting to play with it. My tech assistant got the server part up and running in just a couple of hours, but we don't have any clients set up yet. |
20:20 | Looks really cool--the "koha integration" is a nice little touch. | |
20:21 | It's all php, and the server seems to run just fine on Mint and my OpenSuse connection. | |
20:22 | It's much more logically organized than some other access control systems. | |
20:23 | wizzyrea | that sounds great |
20:23 | no print management though, right? | |
20:24 | rhcl | I don't think so??? |
20:24 | That seems to be an open frontier in the OS world...lots of opportunities???? | |
20:26 | I do know that Userful takes their product and integrates it with the PC-Cop printer control system, so maybe that could be done (would require some additional coding I'm sure) with libki and PC-Cop. | |
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20:36 | chris | printing is such a nightmare |
20:36 | i dont think anyone wants to touch it | |
20:37 | it sounds easy, until you have to deal with all the exceptions | |
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20:42 | wizzyrea | ugh, yea, printing is so evill |
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