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| 00:00 | brendan left #koha | |
| 00:06 | brendan joined #koha | |
| 00:12 | chris_n2 | wb brendan |
| 00:13 | brendan | heya chris_n2 |
| 00:15 | chris_n2 | I think you'll really need coffee for the meeting brendan ;-) |
| 00:15 | pianohackr|work left #koha | |
| 00:27 | brendan | heh - yeah I'm wondering if I will really make it |
| 00:35 | Ian | FYI - (datelastborrowed <'2007-12-02' OR datelastborrowed is NULL) -----thanks MJ |
| 00:40 | Genji | anyone know zebra marc definition stuff? |
| 00:43 | Godzilla8NJ joined #koha | |
| 00:44 | Godzilla8NJ | Pls help. As MLS project built Koha atop Ubuntu Server. Imported 30k Proj Gutenberg titles using bulkimport script. Now getting the following error when doing keyword search: Can't call method "as_usmarc" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 2133. |
| 00:46 | chris | you need to completely rebuild your index |
| 00:46 | with the -r switch | |
| 00:46 | whats happening is the search is returning results which dont exist | |
| 00:46 | hence when it tries to get it from the database and use it, it throws that error | |
| 00:46 | Godzilla8NJ | Thx chris, can you be more detailed though in cmd? Neophyte here. |
| 00:47 | chris | it really should have a nicer error message but the cause is you have things in the zebra index, that arent in the mysql db |
| 00:47 | have you run rebuild_zebra before? | |
| 00:47 | (you should have run it after your import) | |
| 00:47 | Godzilla8NJ | Nope. I have NoZebra |
| 00:47 | Genji | wb chris |
| 00:47 | chris | ahh |
| 00:47 | in that case no idea | |
| 00:47 | Genji | chris: melm 260$c pubdate:y,pubdate:s,pubdate:n,pubdate:w,copydate,copydate:s .... this line correct? or is there a reason in this line, that my searching for a range or > <es fails? |
| 00:48 | chris | let me go read the code Godzilla8NJ and ill get back to you |
| 00:48 | Godzilla8NJ | ok thx |
| 00:49 | chris | you did run rebuild_nozebra.pl? |
| 00:50 | i would run misc/migration_tools/rebuild_nozebra.pl | |
| 00:50 | Godzilla8NJ | i did not |
| 00:50 | chris | that should zero out your indexes |
| 00:50 | and rebuild them | |
| 00:50 | Godzilla8NJ | will do it now, brb |
| 00:52 | script throws back Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC | |
| 00:53 | chris | do you know where you C4 dir is |
| 00:53 | if so | |
| 00:53 | Godzilla8NJ | don't even know what that is |
| 00:53 | chris | how did you install koha? |
| 00:53 | and did you choose standard or dev install? | |
| 00:54 | Godzilla8NJ | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]uide_ubuntu_hardy |
| 00:54 | chris | so from the tarball, or from git? |
| 00:55 | ok the tarball | |
| 00:55 | in that case look at /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha | |
| 00:55 | look for the the line that says SetEnv PERL5LIB | |
| 00:56 | and the one for KOHA_CONF as well | |
| 00:56 | jransom left #koha | |
| 00:56 | chris | and you want to export PERL5LIB=whatever/it/says |
| 00:56 | and the same for KOHA_CONF | |
| 00:56 | that sets up your environment variables | |
| 00:56 | Genji: zebra is voodoo, i have no idea how it works most of the time | |
| 00:57 | Godzilla8NJ | i see them both, not sure what i need to do with the paths tho |
| 00:58 | chris | you have to type at the commandline |
| 00:58 | export PERL5LIB=whatever | |
| 00:58 | Godzilla8NJ | ok |
| 00:58 | chris | (for them both) |
| 00:59 | then try running rebuild_nozebra.pl again | |
| 01:00 | Godzilla8NJ | zooming through records now |
| 01:00 | Genji | can someone who has zebra based koha. please send me their marc21 zebra definition file? |
| 01:01 | Nate | goodnight #koha! |
| 01:01 | Nate left #koha | |
| 01:05 | chris | it is in git Genji |
| 01:05 | Godzilla8NJ | chris, ty ty ty...that seems to have solved at least that issue. one last thing: my import was the entire catalog of gutenberg titles, so my test search is 'twain' knowing that should pull up a ton of hits. but i only have 3. any idea why? (fyi, the index ended with this if it is a clue: 3333 Inserting records... 20224 biblios done |
| 01:05 | ) | |
| 01:06 | chris | sorry no, no one really uses/develops for nozebra anymore |
| 01:06 | so i dont know | |
| 01:07 | your best bet is one of the french guys | |
| 01:07 | but they are asleep at the moment | |
| 01:07 | Godzilla8NJ | fair enough. ok thank you again. |
| 01:12 | chris | no problem |
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| 01:41 | Genji | at the time of koha 3.0r1.... what version was YAZ? |
| 03:27 | Amit joined #koha | |
| 03:27 | Amit | hi brendan, chris, chris_n2 |
| 03:27 | chris_n2 | howdy Amit |
| 03:28 | Amit | chris_n2:i m fine what about u? |
| 03:30 | chris_n2 | great... going to find sleep here in a bit so I can be up for the meeting in a few hours |
| 04:14 | greenmang0 joined #koha | |
| 04:20 | Ian left #koha | |
| 04:40 | brendan | Hi Amit |
| 06:17 | nicomo joined #koha | |
| 06:19 | nicomo | morning koha |
| 06:32 | Ropuch | Morning |
| 06:35 | Amit | heya nicomo, Ropuch |
| 06:36 | nicomo | hi Amit |
| 06:39 | Ropuch | Hi Amit |
| 06:54 | magnusenger joined #koha | |
| 07:04 | nicomo | ji magnusenger |
| 07:04 | * nicomo | meant hi magnusenger |
| 07:05 | magnusenger | ji nicomo! ;-) |
| 07:15 | chris | evening |
| 07:16 | magnusenger | and a very good evening to you too, chris! |
| 07:17 | chris | magnusenger: i had dinner with a women from norway on friday |
| 07:19 | she is sami, over here researching how maori are holding on to their culture | |
| 07:53 | magnusenger | chris: cool! |
| 07:54 | wizzyrea left #koha | |
| 07:55 | chris | so she now knows about koha too ;) |
| 07:59 | magnusenger | chris: that's great! A sami translation would have been cool! |
| 08:02 | Genji | whats Sami? That as rare as Ainu? |
| 08:03 | chris | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_people |
| 08:03 | Genji | just read it. Ainu's almost dead. |
| 08:04 | francharb joined #koha | |
| 08:04 | Genji | Sami's hanging on. Basically the same amount of speakers of maori.. fluent maori I think. |
| 08:06 | chris | yep, its one of the great tradgedies, the world is losing languages |
| 08:06 | maori is coming back, the number of speakers is on the rise, not many indigenous languages are | |
| 08:06 | maori and welsh are 2 success stories, lots of indigenous communities use them as case studies | |
| 08:09 | http://news.nationalgeographic[…]ages-extinct.html | |
| 08:12 | nicomo: http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]bot.git;a=summary | |
| 08:12 | ive been rewriting my koha IM bot to use the ils-di work you guys did | |
| 08:13 | Kivutar joined #koha | |
| 08:13 | nicomo | cool |
| 08:13 | magnusenger | chris & Genji: if i'm not completely mistaken "sami" is actually 3 or 4 different languages - or dialects or something |
| 08:13 | Genji | koha IM bot? |
| 08:14 | chris | yep, i wrote it a while ago, lets you IM your catalogue essentially |
| 08:14 | magnusenger | chris: to do searches? |
| 08:15 | chris | yep, and you can login and check what books you have out |
| 08:15 | magnusenger | nice! |
| 08:15 | i've been thinking about something like that for Google Wave... | |
| 08:15 | chris | i did a post about it when i was at liblime, lemme find it (i wrote it just before i started there) |
| 08:15 | magnusenger | not the login bit, but searching |
| 08:16 | wizzyrea joined #koha | |
| 08:16 | nicomo | eh that's nice |
| 08:17 | i didn't know you'd done that | |
| 08:17 | chris | http://blogs.liblime.com/devel[…]message-your-ils/ |
| 08:17 | nicomo | IM your opac is cool |
| 08:17 | chris | yeah i stopped working on it for a while |
| 08:18 | so im bringing it up to date | |
| 08:20 | magnusenger | keep up the good work! ;-) |
| 08:21 | chris | well with the work biblibre have done with ils-di its pretty easy |
| 08:21 | kf joined #koha | |
| 08:22 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 08:22 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 08:22 | chris | a lot easier than it was |
| 08:22 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 1.0�C (9:00 AM CET on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Light Fog. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
| 08:22 | kf | hi chris :) |
| 08:22 | chris | hiya kf |
| 08:22 | got some chocolate? :) | |
| 08:23 | paul_p joined #koha | |
| 08:23 | kf | in my drawer, we did photos for our christmas card yesterday :) |
| 08:24 | Genji | Still havent got a working pubdate marc21 definition. |
| 08:24 | chris | did you get the one from git |
| 08:25 | Genji | Anyone familar with the voodoo? |
| 08:25 | chris | ? |
| 08:25 | Genji | git doesn't have 260$c defined. |
| 08:25 | kf | just dont know how to deliver it to you ... except going to kohacon |
| 08:28 | chris | sounds the best way :) |
| 08:30 | kf | Im seriously thinking about it... but will be expensive :( |
| 08:30 | Genji | there ever a nz kohacon? |
| 08:31 | kf | Genji: next kohacon (october 2010) will be in nz |
| 08:31 | Genji | sweet. where? |
| 08:32 | chris | wellington |
| 08:32 | kf | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2010 |
| 08:33 | chris | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]con2010wellington |
| 08:33 | we are working on a conference website, and will do a big email about it when that's done | |
| 08:34 | Genji | almost a whole year away. |
| 08:34 | chris | yep |
| 08:34 | Genji | Hmm.. means I can get a $1 naked bus. |
| 08:34 | chris | gotta give people lots of time to save money |
| 08:34 | Genji | How much it going to cost to attend? |
| 08:36 | chris | nothing |
| 08:36 | Genji | !!! Wow! Im so there. |
| 08:36 | chris | but there will be registration |
| 08:36 | Genji | That will cost....? |
| 08:36 | chris | nope |
| 08:37 | but we need to know numbers etc | |
| 08:37 | Genji | So the only cost i worry about is food, lodging, and transport... and internet. |
| 08:37 | chris | and the venue and stuff definitely costs, so i will be seeking sponsorship |
| 08:37 | but im sure i can rustle that up | |
| 08:40 | kf | chris++ |
| 08:40 | thd-away is now known as thd | |
| 08:42 | thd | I had thought the planning was for a couple of months from now |
| 08:42 | chris | nope |
| 08:42 | thd | A year from now should be fine |
| 08:42 | chris | yep that was the plan, give people enough time to save |
| 08:42 | i think kudos might be planning a US conference earlier in the year | |
| 08:43 | vicki sent an email to the list about it last month | |
| 08:44 | thd | KUDOS opted for a Google groups mailing list aaarggg :{ |
| 08:46 | paul_p left #koha | |
| 08:54 | paul_p joined #koha | |
| 08:55 | kf | thd: just want to say - im still working on the German MARC21 framework, but still not finished :( I hope I can do the import tests today. |
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| 08:56 | Genji | kf: you using 260$c? |
| 08:56 | thd | no problem kf |
| 08:57 | * thd | has been busy fighting locusts |
| 08:58 | thd | Genji: did you notice a 260 $c bug? |
| 08:58 | kf | thd: locusts? |
| 08:59 | thd | kf: s/locusts/many creepy crawly creatures invading my abode/ |
| 08:59 | kf | Genji: I think its works in our installation, just tried publisher location stuttgart in opac advanced search (hfjs.bsz-bw.de) |
| 09:00 | Genji | i don't have a working record.abs / ccl.properties 260$c set. 260$c is supposed to be publishers date |
| 09:01 | * kf | shivers thinking about creepy crawly creatures... |
| 09:01 | kf | Genji: which version of Koha du you use? |
| 09:01 | thd | Genji: Have you found that 260 $c is not set properly in the record editor when creating a new record? |
| 09:02 | Genji | its yaz-client and zebra search that doesn't work.. |
| 09:02 | record.abs and ccl.properties are zebra config files. | |
| 09:03 | the voodoo of koha. | |
| 09:12 | don't know anything? | |
| 09:21 | hdl_laptop | chris still there ? |
| 09:26 | chris | yep |
| 09:26 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 09:28 | thd | good morning gmcharlt |
| 09:29 | kf | gmcharlt: good morning :) |
| 09:29 | chris | hiya gmcharlt |
| 09:30 | thd | chris: do you have current contact information for Roger Buck? |
| 09:30 | chris | nope |
| 09:30 | Genji | anyone use the 260 c field? |
| 09:31 | Amit | heya galen |
| 09:32 | thd | Genji: everyone using MARC 21 should be using 260 $c. |
| 09:32 | Genji | 260 c is the publishing date field... |
| 09:33 | on the devel install im working on, tis mapped to @attr 31. | |
| 09:34 | thd | Genji: 260 $c is a minimal level requirement and might contain publication date and or copyright date. |
| 09:36 | Genji: You cannot rely upon it having a four digit year date as it often has other forms sometimes with both copyright and publication date in the same subfield. | |
| 09:37 | Genji | I need to be able to use st-numeric and st-numeric,ge and st-numeric,le .... throughout the db, 260 $c is only four digits. |
| 09:38 | hdl_laptop | hi all |
| 09:38 | chris | hi hdl_laptop |
| 09:39 | thd | Genji: if all your records have only four digits in 260 $c, then consider yourself blessed. |
| 09:40 | Genji | so, whats a record.abs definition that will allow me to use st-numeric sucessfully? |
| 09:40 | got pubdate,pubdate:s,copydate,copydate:s currently | |
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| 09:45 | thd | Genji: I have not mastered the machinations of Zebra yet. I have managed all of Z39.50 for which Zebra does not quite have complete support. |
| 09:54 | tajoli | time |
| 09:54 | Genji | time? |
| 09:55 | tajoli | sorry, I don't know IRC commands and I use ChatZilla ( in fact a command-line IRC) |
| 09:55 | Genji | @time |
| 09:55 | munin | Genji: Error: "time" is not a valid command. |
| 09:58 | chris_n2 | g'morning |
| 09:58 | Genji | when's this devel meeting? |
| 09:58 | gmcharlt | in four minutes |
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| 09:59 | kf | Guten Morgen jwagner :) |
| 09:59 | Amit | hi kf |
| 10:00 | kf | hi Amit |
| 10:00 | paul_p | us very early those days... |
| 10:00 | s/those days/today/ | |
| 10:00 | Genji | find @attr 1=31 "1983" = Unsupported Use attribute |
| 10:00 | paul_p | g'morning chris_n2, gmcharlt, jwagner & all |
| 10:00 | jwagner | guten morgen kf |
| 10:00 | and everyone | |
| 10:00 | chris_n2 | hi paul_p |
| 10:00 | jwagner | But do you European types really get up this early every morning? |
| 10:00 | * jwagner | props open a bleary eye |
| 10:01 | paul_p | what time is it for you jwagner ? |
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| 10:01 | kf | jwagner: its not that early here 11 |
| 10:01 | gmcharlt | jwagner: every single day, it seems :) |
| 10:01 | paul_p | 4AM ? |
| 10:01 | gmcharlt | paul_p: 05:00 for me |
| 10:01 | Amit | hi paul_p, galen |
| 10:01 | jransom | 11pm here in NZ |
| 10:01 | paul_p | the answer is no : usually, I wake up at 6 |
| 10:01 | * chris_n2 | passes around virtual donuts |
| 10:01 | gmcharlt | anyway, let's get this show on the road |
| 10:02 | first, a round of intros | |
| 10:02 | jwagner | paul_p, it's 5 AM here. |
| 10:02 | * gmcharlt | = Galen Charlton, 3.2RM |
| 10:02 | jwagner | Jane Wagner, PTFS |
| 10:02 | * chris_n2 | Chris Nighswonger, FBC |
| 10:02 | * paul_p | = paul poulain, BibLibre |
| 10:03 | chris | Chris Cormack, Catalyst, Translation Manager |
| 10:03 | Colin | Colin Campbell PTFS Europe |
| 10:03 | jfield joined #koha | |
| 10:03 | * kf | = Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany |
| 10:03 | tajoli | Zeno Tajoli, Cilea (Italy) |
| 10:03 | jransom | Joann Ransom, HLT, NZ |
| 10:03 | Amit | Amit Gupta= Nucsoft Osslabs, Bangalore, India |
| 10:03 | thd | Thomas Dukleth, Agogme New York City |
| 10:03 | BobB | Bob Birchall, Calyx in Sydney |
| 10:03 | * Ropuch | Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE, Poland |
| 10:04 | nahuel | hi |
| 10:04 | paul_p | hdl_laptop will be a little bit late, but he will arrive asap |
| 10:04 | Genji | Waylon robertson, Palmerston North, New Zealand, currently working on koha for a Saudi Arabia private library/journal collection |
| 10:04 | davi | Davi Diaz (worker for software.coop) |
| 10:04 | nahuel | Nahuel Angelinetti, BibLibre, France (like paul and hdl) |
| 10:05 | gmcharlt | thanks |
| 10:05 | page for this meeting is http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes09dec02 | |
| 10:05 | chris_n2: may I ask to you to take notes? | |
| 10:05 | chris_n2 | right |
| 10:06 | gmcharlt | thanks |
| 10:06 | first agenda item - 3.2 | |
| 10:06 | I've at long last merged in B-L's acq branch | |
| 10:06 | it's a lot of stuff, so please test thoroughly | |
| 10:06 | paul_p | acq & many other patches (almost 500) |
| 10:07 | gmcharlt | after picking through the patch queue for remaining bugfixes |
| 10:07 | and doing final merges of pianohacker's syspref stuff and chris_n2's labels work | |
| 10:07 | paul_p | hdl_laptop: (told us a few minuts ago that you're just 2 patches ahead from our git) |
| 10:07 | gmcharlt | it will (again, at long last) be alpha |
| 10:07 | chris | gmcharlt++ |
| 10:08 | Genji | gmcharlt++ |
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| 10:08 | kf | gmcharlt++ |
| 10:08 | gmcharlt | gmcharlt-- # sorry for being so slow |
| 10:08 | munin | gmcharlt: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. |
| 10:08 | chris_n2 | gmcharlt++ |
| 10:08 | jwagner | gmcharlt, you're quicker than just about any of US would be! |
| 10:08 | kmkale | hi al |
| 10:09 | gmcharlt | anyway, that's essentially it for me - bugfixes will be going in to 3.2, but I also intend to create a 3.2 branch soon so that HEAD can start accepting patches for 3.4 |
| 10:09 | thd | its not the speed but the quality which counts |
| 10:09 | chris | cool |
| 10:09 | gmcharlt | moving on, I'll pass over 3.0 until hdl_laptop comes back |
| 10:09 | paul_p | gmcharlt: and you're quicker than some other companies that can't find time to open their git repo ;-) |
| 10:09 | jransom | This is great gmcharlt - well done |
| 10:10 | * gmcharlt | stiffles a snarky response to paul_p's last comment |
| 10:10 | Genji | paul_p++ |
| 10:10 | liblime-- | |
| 10:10 | paul_p | note that our biblibre branch ((so almost 3.2) is being tested by Aix-Marseille universities, that reports some problems, but overall, it works pretty well |
| 10:11 | (they are not in production though...) | |
| 10:11 | gmcharlt | anyway, the next agenda item is follow-up from the previous meeting, but that is basically identical to the other agenda item, the wiki relicensing |
| 10:12 | chris | for 3.4 we need to have elections for the positions for that .. we might need to schedule that sometime soon |
| 10:12 | gmcharlt | thd just told me that we have we have a majority discounting all LibLime employee votes |
| 10:12 | thd | Yes |
| 10:12 | gmcharlt | i.e., majority approving relicensing the wiki content to the GPL |
| 10:12 | chris | *nod* |
| 10:12 | there were 3 more yesses this week | |
| 10:13 | gmcharlt | and as there hasn't been any dissenting votes |
| 10:13 | I make a motion that we go ahead and consider the relicensing approved | |
| 10:13 | thd | checking the latest count we have 47 in favour from which 4 LibLime votes might be subtracted |
| 10:13 | Genji | "majority discounting" meaning liblime are hostile voters? |
| 10:13 | chris_n2 | gmcharlt: +1 |
| 10:14 | GeorgeSue | Greetings everyone, sorry I am late |
| 10:14 | magnusenger | Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway (sorry, was away for a few minutes) |
| 10:14 | gmcharlt | Genji: no, that any edits made by a LL employee are copyright the company |
| 10:14 | Genji | Ah. |
| 10:14 | gmcharlt | not necesary that LL is opposed to relicesning |
| 10:14 | thd | we have 33 in other categories excluding spammers |
| 10:14 | gmcharlt | but, well, who knows? kados has not weighed in |
| 10:14 | chris | +1 |
| 10:14 | gmcharlt | but frankly, he's had plenty of opportunity |
| 10:14 | Genji | @seen kados |
| 10:14 | munin | Genji: I have not seen kados. |
| 10:15 | Genji | !!! |
| 10:15 | gmcharlt | and if he wants to make an issue of it later, well, that's his prerogative, but that shouldn't hold up the vote |
| 10:15 | thd | We might add the 4 or so LibLime employee votes to the other categories |
| 10:15 | paul_p | Genji: munin is a new bot, here only for 6 months. |
| 10:15 | Genji | Ah. |
| 10:15 | paul_p | just means kados didn't come on this channel since the birth of munin |
| 10:15 | gmcharlt | certainly any wiki edits they made after leaving LL are copyright themselves or their current employer |
| 10:15 | thd | I have worked very hard identifying and communicating with several of the yet to vote to come to the current totals |
| 10:16 | paul_p | Genji: before, we had logbot, but it disappeared (was LL supported) |
| 10:16 | gmcharlt | so, in terms of implementing the decision |
| 10:16 | there are at least two parts | |
| 10:16 | paul_p | thd++ for this job |
| 10:16 | Genji | Ahh. |
| 10:16 | thd | I have yet to telephone India and Pakistan for extra encouragement about voting |
| 10:16 | gmcharlt | one being updating the footer to point to the GPL instead of CC-BY-NC-SA |
| 10:17 | thd | Some people have moved, changed addresses, etc. and are now lost without the expense of public records search. |
| 10:17 | chris | we have logbot_backup now tho, which is stll logging the channel |
| 10:17 | gmcharlt | the other being updating the signup page for new accounts to mention the new licensing |
| 10:18 | chris | sounds right |
| 10:18 | jransom | May I introduce George Sue please folks, from HLT. Trustee appointed to work with Koha. Be gentle with him - hes new to irc :) |
| 10:18 | Genji | We control the wiki? |
| 10:18 | chris | Hi George :) |
| 10:18 | tajoli | no |
| 10:18 | Genji | Wow! hiya GeorgeSue! |
| 10:18 | chris_n2 | hi George |
| 10:18 | Amit | hi George |
| 10:18 | thd | I had sadly delayed contacting the SFLC with other things which I was doing so I am expecting to enter the Koha project in the intake process any day now. |
| 10:18 | paul_p | GeorgeSue: hello from France. good luck with reading IRC, it's quite hard when you begin... |
| 10:19 | gmcharlt | since, annoyingly, the GPL is not listed as an option in our dokuwiki's installation, I'll poke around and see what I can do to change it |
| 10:19 | I may have to bring in cfouts | |
| 10:19 | GeorgeSue | Hi everyone, Keep up the good work |
| 10:19 | thd | Koha is currently in a management queue at SFLC. |
| 10:19 | chris | thd: for? |
| 10:19 | gmcharlt | any other notes on the wiki relicensing? |
| 10:19 | hi GeorgeSue, and welcome | |
| 10:20 | tajoli | For me, no |
| 10:20 | thd | chris: The question of the formal issues about legal questions of relicensing. |
| 10:20 | chris | ahh righto |
| 10:21 | thd | Yes |
| 10:21 | gmcharlt | next item on agenda |
| 10:21 | # | |
| 10:21 | Decision about documentation of DB level (Zeno Tajoli) | |
| 10:21 | thd | There is a technical issue that changing the footer will require changing the code. |
| 10:21 | tajoli | yes, I insert this topic |
| 10:22 | thd | The DokuWiki options have no option for GPL. |
| 10:22 | tajoli | And we can change the code ? |
| 10:22 | I think no, without LL | |
| 10:23 | thd | Yes, I will locate the file an we can consider an appropriate patch. |
| 10:23 | gmcharlt | tajoli: yep, as I said, I'll likely have to poke cfouts |
| 10:23 | thd | I think we should wait a few days to see if SFLC raises any issues. |
| 10:23 | Genji | man, LL have really made it difficult for us. |
| 10:24 | gmcharlt | thd: with respect, why delay again? |
| 10:24 | thd | We could discuss them on the mailing lis if there is somethin g more to be done |
| 10:24 | I am not for a delay personally but I know others have expressed concern. | |
| 10:25 | chrisL do you want to reveal any concern which you had thought? | |
| 10:25 | gmcharlt | at the very lieast, there is no possible bar to (a) changing the license for new content and (b) relicesning content by the other copyright holders |
| 10:25 | thd | gmcharlt : I really thin that it is just an issue of formal proceedure |
| 10:25 | chris | i agree, the concern i had was relicensing content for those who had not consented |
| 10:25 | thd | gmcharlt: getting this wrong could expose us to statutory damages |
| 10:26 | chris | but for all new content, and all content that has been consented to, there is no issue with that |
| 10:26 | thd | We should at least see what the lawyers have to say about any formal expression of the relicensing. |
| 10:26 | I would really like to have this retroactive. | |
| 10:27 | New content is obviously no problem except as a derived work. | |
| 10:27 | gmcharlt | thd: strictly speaking, retroactivity is almost certainly impossible w/o the explicit consent of LL |
| 10:28 | but we can at least guarantee that new content is licensed under the GPL *now* | |
| 10:28 | chris | *nod* |
| 10:28 | thd | gmcharlt: There is the joint work theory of authorship which should allow it. |
| 10:28 | Genji | what about old content? can we clean room re-engineer it? |
| 10:29 | chris | there is no need |
| 10:29 | gmcharlt | Genji: if need be, of course, although I'm hoping we can avoid that |
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| 10:29 | thd | joint work could be relicensed without re-engineering anything. |
| 10:30 | chris | and even if it cant, it only needs to be re-engineered fi you need it for something the current license prevents |
| 10:30 | gmcharlt | anyway, we're off agenda - since the technical issue of changing the license footer will require time anyway, we'll what to see what the SFLC says |
| 10:30 | thd | So I suggest that we go forward with new content as GPL 2 or later and old content is in limbo. |
| 10:30 | * Genji | nods. |
| 10:30 | gmcharlt | tajoli: what did you want to say re DB doc |
| 10:30 | Genji | tajoli: what do you mean by an DB doc? |
| 10:31 | tajoli | this page http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]elopment:dbschema |
| 10:31 | paul_p | about wiki relicensing: can we know what has been written by who ? |
| 10:31 | tajoli | is the documentation about MySQL tables, indexes, relations |
| 10:32 | thd | paul_p it is all logged but retroactive would be simplest |
| 10:32 | tajoli | As CILEA we think to be able to mantain it in 3.2 and 3.4 |
| 10:32 | paul_p | cilea++ |
| 10:32 | chris | 3.4 is not going to be mysql only |
| 10:33 | tajoli | and this the problem |
| 10:33 | chris | the schema will be the same of course |
| 10:33 | tajoli | The 3.4 will be Mysql + PostgresSQL with two xx.sql files ? |
| 10:33 | chris | no |
| 10:34 | tajoli | or we use DBIx::Class ? |
| 10:34 | chris | most likely |
| 10:34 | tajoli | or only one xxx.sql file ? |
| 10:34 | chris | probably DBIx::Class and one sql file |
| 10:35 | chris_n2 | tajoli: DBIx::Class has some documentation generation features iirc |
| 10:36 | tajoli | Butdoes the sql file need to be usable with MySQL and PostegreSQL at the same time ? |
| 10:36 | chris_n2 | ie DBIx::Class::AutoDoc |
| 10:37 | chris | havent finalised that yet |
| 10:37 | the goal is no more mysql only dependency | |
| 10:38 | we may end up with no .sql file at all and only DBIx::Class schema files | |
| 10:39 | tajoli | well DBIx::Class doesn't support comment inside SQL definition (the comment instruction) |
| 10:39 | So the SQL documentation needs to be written outside | |
| 10:40 | In a n extra file | |
| 10:40 | Probably to: | |
| 10:40 | -- Create documentation with SchemmaSpy starting from xml file | |
| 10:40 | chris | its not decided yet, so i wouldnt decide how you plan to use it yet either |
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| 10:41 | tajoli | (a new feature of SchemaSpay that we sponsor) |
| 10:41 | hdl_laptop | tajoli: in order to be translatable, anyway, documentation would have rather be outside. |
| 10:41 | Colin | Hopefully the schema will be better defined so we can extract from it |
| 10:41 | chris | http://search.cpan.org/~jasonk[…]/DBICx/AutoDoc.pm |
| 10:42 | plus http://search.cpan.org/~frew/D[…]x/Class/Schema.pm | |
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| 10:42 | tajoli | But we can't have explicit all relations without a big rewrite |
| 10:42 | chris | is one way |
| 10:42 | tajoli | So we need to document relations in extra doc files (like schemaspy webpages) |
| 10:43 | chris | ? |
| 10:43 | * gmcharlt | mosies back in - I think we have identified the issues, but it looks like this is a matter for the mailing lists |
| 10:43 | tajoli | And I think we will never transalte Mysql level docs |
| 10:43 | gmcharlt | but +1 to both DBIC and ensuring that we can maintain DB schema docs in the long run |
| 10:43 | ricardo | gmcharlt: "mosies"? |
| 10:44 | gmcharlt | ricardo: "wanders back in" |
| 10:44 | ricardo | gmcharlt: OK :) |
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| 10:45 | tajoli | The problem is that data inside tables have relations, without the sql instruction 'constraint' |
| 10:45 | There are 'implict relations' | |
| 10:46 | Colin | I would hope that with DBIx::Class the implicit becomes explicit |
| 10:46 | chris | thats the plan |
| 10:46 | paul_p | tajoli: can you give an example ? |
| 10:46 | tajoli | SchemaSpy use the 'comment' instruction on Mysql (and the equivalent on PostgreSQL) to insert informatin in the web pages |
| 10:47 | paul_p | implicit constraints are a mistake/bug |
| 10:47 | chris | but i think galen is right, this is a discussion better had on the mailing list |
| 10:48 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop is back, so let's move on to the 3.0 update |
| 10:48 | hdl_laptop | 3.0.5 is about to be released. |
| 10:48 | chris | the more i read about AutoDoc tho, the more i think that DBIx::Class plus Autodoc is going to be the win for documentation, we may not even need schemaspy |
| 10:48 | hdl_laptop++ | |
| 10:48 | hdl_laptop | I announced that at the beginning of the week. |
| 10:48 | Genji-wireless | hdl_laptop++ |
| 10:48 | hdl_laptop | chris some strings are still missing. |
| 10:49 | translations will have to be updated. | |
| 10:49 | chris | people have had lots of time to do it |
| 10:49 | im not sure we need to give them moer | |
| 10:49 | hdl_laptop | it is kind of 10 strings more. |
| 10:49 | chris | ah ok |
| 10:49 | hdl_laptop | But anyhow packing that at the end of the week. |
| 10:50 | tajoli | aqbookfund.branchcode is connect with branches.branchcode but it is a implicit link |
| 10:50 | chris | we really need to separate the translation packs from the release |
| 10:50 | hdl_laptop | (it concerns help file mainly) |
| 10:50 | I think so. | |
| 10:50 | chris | maybe ill put that on 3.4 list too |
| 10:50 | hdl_laptop | so should also the etc directory |
| 10:50 | tajoli | The problem of mailing list is that the topic always go down |
| 10:50 | hdl_laptop | and SIP. |
| 10:50 | they should be git submodules imho | |
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| 10:51 | chris | i have to do a release for work tomorrow |
| 10:51 | thd | tajoli: go down? |
| 10:51 | chris | so wont be able to regen the .po files |
| 10:51 | until friday nz time | |
| 10:51 | hdl_laptop | I could do. |
| 10:51 | tajoli | stop, don't go to a conclusion |
| 10:51 | hdl_laptop | But you would have to tell me. |
| 10:51 | chris | basically you have to get all the .po files |
| 10:52 | (so in git) | |
| 10:52 | run update.pl | |
| 10:52 | thd | tajoli: that happens on IRC also. |
| 10:52 | chris | then upload them all into pootle |
| 10:52 | tajoli | sorry, the discusion it stops |
| 10:52 | chris | it just takes time (isnt hard) |
| 10:53 | paul_p | chris: findin time isn't hard ? lucky you :-) |
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| 10:53 | hdl_laptop | I think that I will maintain 3.0.x branch for some time. |
| 10:53 | chris | it will be faster for me tho, since translate.koha.org is about 3 mitres away from me |
| 10:53 | thd | tajoli: you can always try to provoke extending the discussion or provoke a concluding discussion |
| 10:53 | chris | metres |
| 10:53 | chris_n2 | paul_p: finding != taking ;-) |
| 10:53 | ricardo | hdl_laptop: Hi. Is this the time where I should lobby to commit my patches for 3.0.5? :) |
| 10:53 | Bug 3730 | |
| 10:53 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3730 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, ricmarquesspamcop.net, NEW, Wrong ISO 639-2 Language Code for Portuguese in database |
| 10:53 | paul_p | tajoli: aqbookfund table diseappear in 3.2 ;-) (replaced by aqbudgets, that has FK) |
| 10:53 | hdl_laptop | at least until 3.2 is released. |
| 10:54 | tajoli | But it only an example. |
| 10:54 | chris | sounds good hdl_laptop |
| 10:54 | tajoli | As I see the idea is to use DBIx::Class on 3.4 |
| 10:54 | If it is sure, no problem | |
| 10:55 | chris | the only thing that is sure is no more mysql only |
| 10:55 | tajoli | SQL docs must to be outside |
| 10:55 | Colin | We need to flesh out the path |
| 10:55 | thd | tajoli: I think that chris and experiments at LibLime are quite confident |
| 10:55 | chris | liblime? |
| 10:56 | thd | chris: atz had tested I think. |
| 10:56 | chris | its premature to decide yet |
| 10:56 | lets get 3.2 out | |
| 10:56 | then we can hash out 3.4 | |
| 10:56 | but DBIx::Class is certainly a front runner | |
| 10:56 | thd | :} |
| 10:57 | tajoli | OK, so we return on it later |
| 10:57 | chris | i created a schema from it and the msyql db |
| 10:57 | hdl_laptop | ok. I have finished with 3.0.x |
| 10:57 | any questions ? | |
| 10:57 | chris | and then created a postgres db from that schema, worked really well |
| 10:57 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop++ # thanks |
| 10:57 | ricardo | hdl_laptop: There are also a few minor dependencies that should be added to Makefile.PL (Locale::PO and YAML). I created a patch for Locale::PO but not for YAML yet |
| 10:57 | thd | hdl_laptop: do I understand that you have added columns to 3.0.x? |
| 10:58 | gmcharlt | moving on, I think we have two scheduling decisions |
| 10:58 | hdl_laptop | thd: yes. |
| 10:58 | ricardo | [Koha-patches] [PATCH] Added Locale::PO dependency in Makefile.PL |
| 10:58 | http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]tober/004749.html | |
| 10:58 | gmcharlt | 1 - when to hold the next general devel meeting - if we follow the usual pattern, it woudl be 6 January 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0 |
| 10:58 | hdl_laptop | Because cherry-picking made some calls to those tables. |
| 10:58 | But they were missing. | |
| 10:58 | gmcharlt | 2 - when to hold elections for 3.4 |
| 10:59 | hdl_laptop | So now, to fix that, we have to take them in. |
| 10:59 | gmcharlt | which we can either make the main topic of the 6 January meeting |
| 10:59 | or call a special meeting for | |
| 10:59 | thoughts? | |
| 10:59 | tajoli | 6 Jan is a very bad date for italy |
| 10:59 | thd | We should at least have special signification |
| 11:00 | ricardo | thd: "signification"? |
| 11:00 | gmcharlt | tajoli: is 7 Jan better? |
| 11:00 | davi | 6 Jan is a very bad date for Spain too |
| 11:00 | tajoli | yes, much better (we retrun to work) !! |
| 11:00 | ricardo | davi: Ah yes, "Kings Day". True |
| 11:00 | hdl_laptop | oh epiphany ? |
| 11:00 | thd | ricardo: attach special importance even if it is a general meeting |
| 11:00 | chris_n2 | 6th is bad for me too |
| 11:00 | BobB | Most of Australia is on holiday until mid-January, probably NZ too |
| 11:01 | tajoli | Standard holyday 1-6 Jan (only 3 work day) |
| 11:01 | hdl_laptop | thd: i will make a not in release notes. |
| 11:01 | davi | gmcharlt, I would set it at 8 |
| 11:01 | gmcharlt | 8 January would be Saturday for NZers/Aussies |
| 11:01 | ricardo | thd: OK |
| 11:01 | chris_n2 | 8th +1 |
| 11:01 | hdl_laptop | thd is that ok for you ? |
| 11:01 | chris | shall we schedule roles for 3.4 as a topic for that next meeting? |
| 11:02 | thd | hdl_laptop: that will be very helpful especially if it is explicit about identifying what is new |
| 11:02 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 11:02 | chris_n2 | +1 |
| 11:02 | indradg | +1 |
| 11:02 | hdl_laptop | +1 |
| 11:02 | jwagner | What about pushing back a week to January 13? |
| 11:02 | kf | +1 |
| 11:02 | ricardo | 8th = +1 |
| 11:02 | tajoli | +1 |
| 11:02 | 13th = +1 | |
| 11:03 | ricardo | OK. So we have dates for the 2 meetings right? (8th and 13th) ;-) |
| 11:03 | davi | 13th = +1 |
| 11:03 | thd | Are all the +1s for Saturday in Oceania? |
| 11:03 | paul_p | why not 9th ? (my birthday :D ) |
| 11:03 | * paul_p | kidding, 8th is OK |
| 11:03 | jwagner | Actually I meant the 13th instead of the 6th or 8th. |
| 11:03 | gmcharlt | 13th +1 |
| 11:03 | paul_p | (and probably, 9th with be with my family, not on a chat...) |
| 11:04 | chris | 13th+1 |
| 11:04 | BobB | 13th +1 |
| 11:04 | chris_n2 | 13th+1 |
| 11:04 | davi | 13th, at what hour? |
| 11:04 | indradg | 13th +1 |
| 11:04 | thd | 13th )=+1 |
| 11:05 | gmcharlt | ok, I think we have a preponderance for the 13th |
| 11:05 | 19:00 UTC? | |
| 11:05 | chris_n2 | +1 |
| 11:05 | gmcharlt | and agenda to include elections for 3.4 |
| 11:05 | thd | +1 |
| 11:05 | ricardo | OK. 13th is fine by me |
| 11:05 | tajoli | OK at every hour |
| 11:05 | davi | +1 |
| 11:05 | hdl_laptop | ok |
| 11:05 | gmcharlt | tajoli: every hour? just for you, let's do it at 01:00 UTC ;) |
| 11:06 | hdl_laptop | 13th+1 19h+1 |
| 11:06 | tajoli | in fact 01 UTC is too late, but 19.00 UTC is oK |
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| 11:06 | chris_n2 | please take time to read over http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]elopment:roles3.4 before the next meeting and add names to the hat accordingly |
| 11:06 | thd | So is 13th for general meeting with election or two separate meetings? |
| 11:07 | kf | gmcharlt: does it make sense to start testing 3.2/HEAD now or better wait until there is a tag in git for an alpha release? |
| 11:07 | hdl_laptop | Is there a timeline for 3.2 maybe i missed that part.... |
| 11:07 | ? | |
| 11:07 | gmcharlt | kf: go ahead and test HEAD now - there's a lot to test |
| 11:07 | thd | s/separate/separate dates/ |
| 11:08 | gmcharlt | thd: I think a single meeting |
| 11:08 | thd | Ok |
| 11:08 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: working on alpha in next few days after a cherry pick from email patch queue |
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| 11:08 | Colin | gmcharlt:apart from general testing are there 3.2 issues that need addressing |
| 11:08 | thd | ColinL yes |
| 11:09 | hdl_laptop | and no other dates for RC or whatever ? |
| 11:09 | thd | Colin: I have been too busy the past 3 weeks but I must update the MARC 21 frameworks |
| 11:10 | Colin: Germans at least will loose data now | |
| 11:10 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: very early Jan most likely for RC, depnding on how bug finding goes |
| 11:13 | * chris_n2 | hears the coffee pot finish up |
| 11:13 | tajoli | I think that a 'alpha' version of 3.2 is a must if we want ppl test it |
| 11:13 | gmcharlt | tajoli: agreed |
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| 11:14 | gmcharlt | ok - we'll have a lot more discuss tomorrow at the foundation-forming meeting (19:00 UTC+0) |
| 11:15 | I'm going to skip the # | |
| 11:15 | Roles on Bugzilla for 3.2.x and 3.4 ? | |
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| 11:15 | gmcharlt | agenda item |
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| 11:15 | gmcharlt | as it more properly belongs in general 3.4 plannig anyway |
| 11:15 | and call this meeting closed | |
| 11:15 | thd | If I could interject, something about the wiki before we conclude |
| 11:16 | I am not certain how we would word a common footer with retroactivity in limbo. | |
| 11:16 | paul_p | gmcharlt: about 3.2 = we (BibLibre) continue working hard on our branch. will you merge, or do you need patches through bugs.koha.org & git-send-email ? |
| 11:17 | gmcharlt | paul_p: I'll take merge requests |
| 11:17 | but only for bugfixes | |
| 11:17 | paul_p | gmcharlt: we are improving ergonomy of new_acq. no new features, just ergonomy & workflow improvements |
| 11:18 | gmcharlt | ok |
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| 11:18 | paul_p | we can consider them as "bugfixes" I think (at least nicomo consider the changes as mandatory to have something useable ;-) ) |
| 11:19 | gmcharlt | yep, I agree |
| 11:20 | thd | gmcharlt: what about something which lives outside the code as an example script? |
| 11:20 | chris | paul_p: did you see the tutorial on galens blog? there is a git request-pull command |
| 11:20 | very cool | |
| 11:20 | gmcharlt | thd: should be OK |
| 11:20 | jwagner | chris or gmcharlt, URL? |
| 11:20 | paul_p | chris: don't even know galen's blog url :((( |
| 11:21 | thd | gmcharlt: you need to choose a place to put it. |
| 11:21 | gmcharlt: we have no example scripts really. | |
| 11:21 | hdl_laptop | man git-request-pull |
| 11:22 | gmcharlt | paul_p: http://galencharlton.com/blog/?p=10 |
| 11:22 | thd: what does the script in question do? | |
| 11:22 | paul_p | thanks gmcharlt. Added to my akregator ;-) |
| 11:22 | chris | http://galencharlton.com/blog/?p=10#comments |
| 11:22 | is the request-pull bit | |
| 11:23 | thd | gmcharlt: it repopulates Koha itemtypes based on a set of values in the script to new ones for every record in the database containing items. |
| 11:23 | tajoli | OK, bye |
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| 11:24 | thd | gmcharlt: Call number values and previous Koha itemtypes are conditions. |
| 11:24 | gmcharlt | thd: misc/migration_tools if you want to go with an existing directory |
| 11:24 | misc/examples otherwise | |
| 11:25 | thd | gmcharlt: It is for post-migration refactoring the Koha itemtypes. |
| 11:26 | gmcharlt | which is arguably at least potentially related to migration |
| 11:26 | but I don't care either way - misc/examples is fine | |
| 11:27 | paul_p | gmcharlt: your last commit seems wrong : http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]7ebbbe50f5d3f5f3a |
| 11:27 | - our $VERSION = '3.01.00.130'; | |
| 11:27 | thd | gmcharlt: Records are already in the database but yes it is related to migration but I imagine other applications from modifying it which have nothing to do with migration |
| 11:27 | paul_p | + our $VERSION = '3.01.00.000'; |
| 11:27 | 3.01.00.000 is wrong isn't it ? | |
| 11:27 | hdl_laptop | should be 100 |
| 11:27 | gmcharlt | indeed - just a sec |
| 11:27 | paul_p | (or 3.02.something) |
| 11:28 | hdl_laptop | or 3.02.00.000 |
| 11:28 | * chris_n2 | has to head off to get ready for work |
| 11:29 | thd | gmcharlt: I imagine more general purpose conditional search and replacement of record values although that may be migration to some way of looking at it. |
| 11:29 | jransom | night all - bed for me |
| 11:29 | chris_n2 | meeting notes will be up by 0200 UTC+0 03-12-2008... earlier if I have time |
| 11:30 | hdl_laptop | thanks a lot |
| 11:30 | GeorgeSue | Very interesting Good night |
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| 11:30 | chris | good night GeorgeSue, thanks for coming |
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| 11:31 | kf | good night nz :) |
| 11:32 | chris | night all, thanks for your time |
| 11:33 | Genji | okay, anyone available for some zebra voodoo troubleshooting? |
| 11:33 | chris++ # for the voodoo. | |
| 11:35 | kf | lunch time - bbl :) |
| 11:35 | Genji | how far away, kf? |
| 11:36 | thd | gmcharlt: I think that we will have to discuss footer language on the mailing list for how to have one footer to cover both old and new wiki content until SFLC gives some good advice.. |
| 11:36 | gmcharlt | thd: I think the "unless otherwise stated, content is GPL" actually would cover it |
| 11:37 | individual can retag their content as CC-BY-NC-SA is they desire | |
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| 11:37 | thd | gmcharlt: does that not meean that we have to go about marking all the nonvoting contributors'content?.. |
| 11:37 | or at least all their old content? | |
| 11:38 | gmcharlt | thd: it may be just the mood I'm in, but if somebody who didn't care enough to vote wants to (re)assert the old license, they can do so whenever they notice and want to do something about |
| 11:39 | thd | I agree, but that makes the statement retroactive. |
| 11:41 | I am actually expecting SFLC to say go ahead and make it retroactive but they may not give an answer for perhaps another week. | |
| 11:42 | chris seemed concerned in a way that I am not but I am a little reluctant to presume where others are expressing concern. | |
| 11:43 | gmcharlt: I suspect that we would have the PHP code changed for a new footer just about the time that we have a reassuring answer from SFLC. | |
| 11:43 | gmcharlt | heh, no doubt |
| 11:45 | thd | maybe we will have a couple more votes also |
| 11:47 | * thd | had a lot of fun playing login name detective |
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| 11:59 | CGI735 | Can anyone help me figure out where I can specify SMTP server details for sending out overdue notices? Pulling my hair out here. |
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| 12:04 | Elwell | heyo - are there logs around from the meeting this AM? |
| 12:07 | jwagner | Elwell, logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ -- click on Today for this morning's meeting. |
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| 12:20 | CGI735 | Anyone know how to remove "More Seaches" in 3.0? |
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| 12:45 | CGI735 | Can anyone help me with diacritics in Koha? My emai overdues are making the users name look funny as it doesn't reconise é or á etc. |
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| 12:55 | kf | CGI735: I noticed there is a problem with umlauts in the subject, but in the email text everything seems to work ok |
| 13:00 | CGI735 | What version are you using? Are you using any mappings etc? |
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| 13:28 | kf | CGI735: mappings? we use 3.01.00.061 |
| 13:34 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 13:34 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 8.9�C (8:20 AM EST on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:58 | jwagner | @wunder 20740 |
| 13:58 | munin | jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 4.8�C (8:57 AM EST on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Rising). |
| 14:01 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 14:01 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.4�C (2:49 PM CET on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling). |
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| 14:13 | nicomo | @wunder Lyon, france |
| 14:13 | munin | nicomo: The current temperature in Lyon, France is 9.0�C (3:00 PM CET on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:17 | magnusenger | @wunder bodo, norway |
| 14:17 | munin | magnusenger: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0�C (2:50 PM CET on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
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| 14:19 | hilongo | hi there |
| 14:19 | anybody home? | |
| 14:20 | \me | |
| 14:20 | * hilongo | jumps |
| 14:21 | hilongo | @seen hilongo |
| 14:21 | munin | hilongo: hilongo was last seen in #koha 24 seconds ago: * hilongo jumps |
| 14:21 | hdl_laptop | @wunder quebec |
| 14:21 | munin | hdl_laptop: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 14:22 | hdl_laptop | @wunder Montréal |
| 14:22 | munin | hdl_laptop: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 14:22 | hdl_laptop | @wunder Montréal, canada |
| 14:22 | chris_n | wow |
| 14:22 | munin | hdl_laptop: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 14:22 | jdavidb | @wunder montreal |
| 14:22 | munin | jdavidb: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 14:22 | * jdavidb | scratches his head |
| 14:22 | chris_n | upgradedatabase.pl throws tons of errors after rebase |
| 14:22 | hilongo | @wunder Mendoza, Argentina |
| 14:22 | munin | hilongo: The current temperature in Mendoza, Argentina is 22.0�C (10:00 AM ART on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). |
| 14:23 | chris_n | perhaps I should say the db throws them |
| 14:24 | pastebot | "chris_n" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "db update errors after morning rebase" (15 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/68 |
| 14:24 | chris_n | hdl_laptop: any thoughts on the above errors? |
| 14:25 | jwagner | chris_n, is this from head or something else? |
| 14:25 | chris_n | it is from a rebase over the current head |
| 14:26 | jwagner | OK, remind me not to rebase then :-) |
| 14:26 | chris_n | heh |
| 14:26 | Colin | jwagner: head I've got them too, going to run some restore reruns to try & fix |
| 14:26 | chris_n | I'm rebase-ing a working branch |
| 14:26 | untill this morning, it rebased smoothly | |
| 14:27 | jwagner | gmcharlt, you've updated head? |
| 14:27 | hdl_laptop | yes. |
| 14:27 | jwagner: he pushed biblibre patches | |
| 14:27 | chris_n | hdl_laptop: any thoughts on what might be going on? |
| 14:27 | Colin | There's also a dependency missing I've posted a bug and patch |
| 14:28 | hdl_laptop | chris_n many updatedatabase were done with certain assumption. |
| 14:28 | could you send the whole thing to me ? | |
| 14:29 | chris_n | "whole thing" eq ? |
| 14:29 | hdl_laptop | whole thing : all the errors sent |
| 14:29 | chris_n | k |
| 14:31 | hdl_laptop: those were all of the errors | |
| 14:32 | pastebot | "chris_n" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "db update output after morning rebase" (57 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/69 |
| 14:32 | chris_n | hdl_laptop: the entire output is here ^^ |
| 14:33 | the only error in the log is the complaint about the missing Authen::CAS dependency | |
| 14:35 | hdl_laptop | chris_n: will post some followup |
| 14:35 | chris_n | tnx hdl_laptop |
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| 14:59 | chris_n | interesting... the opac cart button now shows up in the staff interface... |
| 14:59 | * chris_n | scratches his head |
| 15:01 | gmcharlt | chris_n: yep, one of the BL patches implements that - it's the intranetbookbag pref IIRC |
| 15:01 | chris_n | looks bit odd with that green/gray button stuck up there :-) |
| 15:02 | hdl_laptop | chris_n |
| 15:03 | yes. book bag is usefull also for librarians. | |
| 15:03 | * chris_n | is looking for the syspref |
| 15:04 | chris_n | found it |
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| 15:22 | * chris_n | notes more pain from closed source forking on the list |
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| 15:30 | sekjal | rebooted my production server this morning, and now I can't get zebrasrv to restart. |
| 15:31 | getting "lock file /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [No such file or directory]" | |
| 15:34 | okay, dopey me, didn't recreate the directory; thought it would still be there from before | |
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| 15:43 | gmcharlt | sekjal: most ubuntu and debian distros clear out /var/lock entirely during reboot |
| 15:47 | sekjal | ah, thanks gmcharlt. I'm noting that in my local docs |
| 15:52 | gmcharlt | sekjal: note that misc/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh takes care of that for you, so you may want to tweak your startup scripts to follow it's lead |
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| 16:13 | sekjal | and just to confirm, it's better to use rebuild_zebra.pl in cron than to run the zebraqueue-daemon, correct? |
| 16:14 | gmcharlt | sekjal: genrally speaking, yes |
| 16:14 | sekjal | great. ::takes more notes:: |
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| 16:58 | sekjal | rebooted my server, now the OPAC and staff client are unreachable. apache, mysql and perl are all running according to top |
| 16:59 | chris_n | sekjal: maybe tail the apache error.log or access.log to see what's up |
| 17:01 | sekjal | this happened earlier today, and a second reboot fixed it. since putting a symlink to misc/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh in my /etc/init.d, however, subsequent reboots have not fixed it |
| 17:01 | ... apparently, I'm just impatient | |
| 17:01 | working now | |
| 17:01 | argh, I hate that! | |
| 17:02 | * chris_n | thinks impatiences strikes everyone at some point in time ;-) |
| 17:06 | sekjal | I think the universe decided that massive sucker punch was the order of the day; getting it from all sides this morning! |
| 17:08 | kf | bye #koha |
| 17:08 | brendan | later kf |
| 17:08 | kf | :) |
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| 17:38 | ftherese | is there anyway to speed up koha? |
| 17:39 | I am afraid that it will not be accepted by our library if it can't respond a little quicker | |
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| 17:39 | brendan | ftherese are you using zebra? |
| 17:40 | ftherese | yes |
| 17:40 | I am even using it on raid | |
| 17:40 | it takes the same amount of time to go from one page to another as it does to make a search | |
| 17:40 | why is there so much hesitation at the level of simple page navigation? | |
| 17:41 | cups responds almost imediately | |
| 17:41 | koha... | |
| 17:41 | well | |
| 17:41 | just wait a few seconds | |
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| 17:45 | ftherese | is there anything that can be done to remove these hesitations in the koha web-interface? |
| 17:45 | brendan | ftherese which linux are you on? |
| 17:46 | paul_p | ftherese: is your browser cache ON ? |
| 17:46 | otherwise, all the js/jquery stuff is loaded everytime, and, it's true, it's long. | |
| 17:46 | ftherese | I am Ubuntu 9.x |
| 17:46 | paul_p | maybe a DNS issue can explain slowness too |
| 17:46 | ftherese | where is browser cache set? in the browser?.. |
| 17:46 | * paul_p | has to head back home. ftherese, i hope you'll find a solution. |
| 17:47 | paul_p | ftherese: yep, in the browser |
| 17:47 | ftherese | I think it is a dns issue, but when I have VirtualHost set to the local network |
| 17:47 | brendan | you can also check to see if there are some un-neccesary processes that are running on your server |
| 17:47 | paul_p | leaving now. |
| 17:47 | brendan | bye paul_p |
| 17:47 | ftherese | bye paul_p |
| 17:47 | brendan, I did a fresh install on a new machine | |
| 17:47 | brendan | if you go to your command line and type |
| 17:47 | top | |
| 17:48 | it will show you whats running and how much memory etc. is being used | |
| 17:52 | ftherese | brendan: why does cups load instantly between menu items, whereas koha has to think about it each time? |
| 17:53 | brendan | not sure what you mean cups? |
| 17:53 | ftherese | cups is the Common unix printing system |
| 17:53 | brendan | ah ok |
| 17:54 | not sure | |
| 17:54 | ftherese | it also runs through a web interface |
| 17:54 | brendan | I'm stuck with suggestions at the moment |
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| 18:00 | schuster | testing |
| 18:00 | jdavidb | Hi, schuster! |
| 18:01 | schuster | Hey thanks for replying just testing a different IRC client. |
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| 18:01 | jdavidb | no problem! I figured something like that. |
| 18:01 | * jdavidb | runs in fear of the cloning shusters. |
| 18:03 | jdavidb | hey, schuster, I hear from my daughter that it's snowing down your way. |
| 18:05 | schuster | Yep had big flakes this morning will be gone shortly if it isn't already! |
| 18:05 | jdavidb | None of that here yet...raining, *again*, but no snow. |
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| 18:07 | schuster | More rain for Friday |
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| 18:12 | Colin | raining here too guys site visit to Rome next week should be warmer though |
| 18:13 | * jdavidb | wonders about the possibility of a transfer from PTFS to PTFS-Europe...site visits to Rome are bound to be interesting. |
| 18:16 | Genji | how do i figure out if Zebra is using unimarc or marc21? |
| 18:18 | pianohacker | Genji: check etc/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg |
| 18:18 | (in your koha install directory) | |
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| 18:25 | chris | fredericd: if there is a lag, it is probably a dns issue, put some entries in you /etc/hosts |
| 18:25 | hmm wrong person hehe | |
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| 18:46 | pianohacker | /ping/ |
| 18:46 | woops | |
| 18:47 | Ropuch | ;> |
| 18:48 | pianohacker | Apparently my IRC connection _is_ up, time to play internet connection russian roulette again and try to load this website |
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| 18:57 | chris | ok bus time, bbl |
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| 19:11 | schustertest | did the KUDOS meeting announcement go out on the DEVEL and Koha general lists? I'm in digest mode so can't see them. |
| 19:11 | sekjal | yes |
| 19:11 | brendan | yup |
| 19:12 | schustertest | OK thanks - I was having email trouble as well as well I'm technologically stumped today... I'm taking a javascript class. |
| 19:18 | jdavidb | Spending time in javascript will warp your brain, schustertest. In extreme cases, it can make you think that everything can be a client-side app. |
| 19:18 | schustertest | I just want to change the color ;) |
| 19:19 | jdavidb | Ah, the Dark Arts of CSS... |
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| 19:20 | cait | hi #koha |
| 19:20 | brendan | schustertest are you going to be posting notes to the kudos meeting later? |
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| 19:21 | brendan | heya cait |
| 19:22 | cait | hi brendan |
| 19:27 | schustertest | Yes I hope to get them posted on the KUDOS website and then send them to the KOHA lists. |
| 19:27 | another reason for doing chat. | |
| 19:33 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 19:33 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.9�C (11:31 AM PST on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:33 | brendan | munin - it really feels colder than that here - are you sure you're correct? |
| 19:33 | munin | brendan: Error: "-" is not a valid command. |
| 19:33 | Genji | @wunder palmerston north |
| 19:33 | munin | Genji: The current temperature in Palmerston North Aws, New Zealand is 11.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 03, 2009). Conditions: . Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
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| 19:56 | chris | back |
| 19:56 | brendan | hey chris |
| 19:56 | I had a question for you | |
| 19:57 | do you need a visa to get into NZ? | |
| 19:57 | schustertest | visa or passport? |
| 19:57 | brendan | if so you're definitely going to want to add that to the kohacon wiki |
| 19:57 | nope visa | |
| 19:57 | chris | you need both |
| 19:57 | brendan | you'll need a passport |
| 19:58 | ok a link to "how to get a visa" will be important | |
| 19:58 | chris | its different for every country |
| 19:58 | schustertest | WOW! Just to visit that's interesting. |
| 19:58 | brendan | right |
| 19:58 | russ | chris: err depends on the country |
| 19:58 | schustertest | hmmm. |
| 19:58 | russ | i think the US and NZ are part of the same Visa waiver programme |
| 19:58 | brendan | so maybe a note - would be good instrad |
| 19:58 | chris | schustertest: its the same with the US |
| 19:58 | brendan | instead |
| 19:59 | chris | http://glossary.immigration.go[…]freecountries.htm |
| 20:00 | http://www.immigration.govt.nz[…]m/visit/visitors/ | |
| 20:00 | russ | not many people need a visa to get into NZ :-) |
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| 20:02 | brendan | thanks |
| 20:02 | was just looking into visa's for australia and it made me think :) | |
| 20:02 | russ | brendan: where are you? |
| 20:02 | chris | if you plan to do any work at all |
| 20:02 | brendan | you need one for australia coming from the US |
| 20:02 | chris | get a visa |
| 20:02 | or if longer than 3 months, ditto | |
| 20:03 | brendan | I'm in California USA |
| 20:07 | russ | looks like anyone travelling to aussie needs a visa - no wavier programme there |
| 20:07 | chris | yeah |
| 20:07 | brendan | yup |
| 20:07 | chris | aussie border guard: "Do you have any criminal convictions?" |
| 20:07 | traveller: "Is that still a requirement?" | |
| 20:08 | brendan | yup "I throw eggs at non-code-releasing" "so-called open source vendors" |
| 20:10 | chris | :) |
| 20:11 | schustertest: what is the time there now? | |
| 20:11 | brendan | it's 2pm CST |
| 20:12 | so the KUDOS meeting has started | |
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| 20:17 | Genji | KUDOS? |
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| 20:17 | ricardo | Genji: http://kudos.koha.org/ |
| 20:18 | brendan | sekjal++ |
| 20:20 | * chris | goes to be nosey |
| 20:20 | brendan | :) |
| 20:20 | * brendan | too |
| 20:26 | Ropuch | Crap, gtranslator crashes while saving |
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| 20:33 | ricardo | Going home now. Take care everybody! |
| 20:33 | pianohacker | bye, ricardo |
| 20:33 | chris | cya ricardo |
| 20:33 | ricardo | Bye Jesse & Chris :) (out) |
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| 20:48 | pianohacker | chris_n/chris_n2: around? |
| 20:51 | chris | sup ? |
| 20:54 | pianohacker | just curious if he had figured out cause/solution of updatedatabase.pl errors |
| 20:54 | chris | havent had a chance to look |
| 20:56 | ahh sorry, misread, the chris_n triggers my nick highlighting | |
| 20:56 | but yeah i saw those errors too | |
| 20:58 | pianohacker | cool |
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| 21:07 | Ropuch | Hi paul_p |
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| 21:12 | sekjal | KUDOS meeting complete. went well, I think |
| 21:16 | chris | yup, was interesting |
| 21:17 | sekjal | next time we should hold it in IRC, though. |
| 21:18 | Genji | hmm? how did you see it? |
| 21:18 | sekjal | Genji: it was in this Java program that schuster's people have. Allows for screensharing, audio, video and such. |
| 21:18 | jwagner | Is it logged somewhere? |
| 21:18 | Was out on a site visit today, didn't get back in time. | |
| 21:18 | Genji | no one told me about this java program..... |
| 21:19 | sekjal | yes, the minutes are being published as I type |
| 21:19 | chris | schuster is going to put the minute ups |
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| 21:19 | chris | Genji: there were emails to the mailing list |
| 21:19 | s | |
| 21:19 | i count 5 of them | |
| 21:19 | ppl were told | |
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| 21:20 | sekjal | it's a neat tool, but we didn't use enough of the features to make it a better fit for the meeting than IRC |
| 21:22 | chris | wow |
| 21:22 | catching up on email | |
| 21:22 | pianohacker | Why not just a mibbit link? |
| 21:23 | http://embed.mibbit.com/?serve[…]&forcePrompt=true | |
| 21:24 | chris | http://markmail.org/message/m5cmugxommlntp35 |
| 21:24 | very interestin | |
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| 21:24 | sekjal | sounds like a good plan for future meetings. |
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| 21:25 | mib_lh1ydi | wow... this is cool. genji here. |
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| 21:28 | chris | it appear all is not sunshine and roses in WALDO land |
| 21:29 | cait | did you really think it was? |
| 21:29 | Genji | WALDO? |
| 21:29 | pianohacker | Genji: http://www.waldolib.org/members.asp |
| 21:29 | chris | nope, im just glad its public now |
| 21:31 | Genji | uhh...... lost a director? |
| 21:31 | * Genji | is totally clueless. |
| 21:31 | cait | I got kaess thesis some days ago - the survey she did about how content people are with koha |
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| 21:31 | chris | ohh, i hope its not too bad |
| 21:31 | cait | there are some comments about support there too |
| 21:31 | no | |
| 21:32 | most people would choose koha again | |
| 21:32 | imp | :) |
| 21:32 | pianohacker | Genji: WALDO is an association of academic libraries that is a major force behind lek (as I understand), and that email chris mentioned is from manhattan.edu, which is a member |
| 21:32 | cait | i have to read it a second time, she sent it to me when i was in leipzig for the presentation, read it in my hotel room when I was too tired to really get it all |
| 21:33 | chris | i will bug her on twitter for a copy :) |
| 21:33 | ahh its in german eh? | |
| 21:33 | cait | yes it is |
| 21:33 | chris | maybe i will just bug you to translate it :) |
| 21:33 | cait | but comments are in english |
| 21:33 | Genji | what email's this? |
| 21:33 | chris | are you on the mailing lists genji? |
| 21:33 | you seem to be missing lots of emails | |
| 21:33 | Genji | only on koha-dev. |
| 21:34 | cait | better bug her - im not good in translating german ->english |
| 21:34 | chris | i recommend subscribing to the main list too |
| 21:34 | will do, thanks cait | |
| 21:34 | Genji | ah.... right. |
| 21:35 | cait | if you dont reach her iI can sent you a copy, she used a cc license :) |
| 21:36 | Genji | wheres this main list? |
| 21:36 | its not on lists.koha.org? | |
| 21:37 | chris | http://koha.org/about/get-invo[…]ts/mailing-listsg |
| 21:37 | cait | chris: i can give you a short summary after reading it again, but I think she would be happy to hear from you :) |
| 21:37 | chris | tweeted her |
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| 21:38 | sekjal | most of the other libraries running Koha in my immediate area are with WALDO... SO glad we didn't try to get on that bandwagon |
| 21:39 | well, academic libraries, at least | |
| 21:41 | brendan | wow, just getting back to my email now |
| 21:42 | pianohacker | chris: sarcasm much? ;) |
| 21:42 | chris | heh, how could you tell? |
| 21:42 | pianohacker | it was subtle, but I got it after rereading a few times |
| 21:44 | chris | :) |
| 21:44 | cait: hehe she said you will upload it :) | |
| 21:48 | cait | yeah, just read it :) cant promise when (it will perhaps go on one of our repositories), i have the file on my computer at work, email tomorrow? |
| 21:52 | chris | thats perfect |
| 21:52 | thank you | |
| 21:53 | Genji | whats the title of the email your refering to, chris? |
| 21:53 | cait | no problem :) |
| 21:57 | Genji | Ah, so its been confirmed... people are being left unsupported... and the wider community is left to pick up the pieces. Theres another company that does this. Trixbox. |
| 21:58 | Trixbox just refers people onto #freepbx... and of course, they don't get much help, since trixbox have... 'trixxed out' the freepbx original. And its way behind. | |
| 22:01 | and i killed the channel. | |
| 22:02 | * chris_n2 | thinks chris's keyboard must be dripping with sarcasm atm ;-) |
| 22:03 | * Genji | scraps some off and cooks breakfast. |
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| 22:19 | sekjal | time to head home. cheers, #koha! |
| 22:19 | sekjal left #koha | |
| 22:19 | brendan | later sekjal |
| 22:19 | joetho | me too |
| 22:19 | brendan | later |
| 22:20 | cait | time to go to bed here :) good night ! |
| 22:20 | chris | night cait |
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| 22:22 | Genji | Trixbox pro = Modified version of GPL code, SaaS, unreleased source, just like LEK. And both are against the spirit of FLOSS? |
| 22:38 | Okay, when i index the Publishing date field with just itself... its fine.. but if i add :y or :n ... it borks... Unsupported Use Attribute.... | |
| 22:39 | This means that its not normalized? | |
| 22:39 | Someone's gone and put a non number in at least one record? | |
| 22:39 | pianohacker | Probably |
| 22:39 | Why would a publishing date be a number, out of curiosity? | |
| 22:40 | * Genji | headbangs. "Damnit. Damnit damnit. its only supposed to be yyyy ..." |
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| 23:05 | pianohacker | ah |
| 23:05 | chris | hey wizzyrea |
| 23:13 | chris_n2 | meeting notes are up: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes09dec02 |
| 23:13 | next meeting's agenda is started: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes10jan13 | |
| 23:14 | and I got to eat my cheese-steak sub before it got cold ;-) | |
| 23:16 | Genji left #koha | |
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| 23:21 | wizzyrea | hello hello |
| 23:21 | I got my new puter today :) | |
| 23:21 | chris | cool |
| 23:23 | gmcharlt | is it a good 'puter? |
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| 23:28 | chris_n2 | wizzyrea_: opps :-) so much for the new network card |
| 23:28 | wizzyrea_ | yea, 21.5in iMac |
| 23:28 | lol | |
| 23:28 | nah, I did that | |
| 23:31 | Genji left #koha | |
| 23:33 | wizzyrea_ | holy jebus. I went from a 17in to a 21 in... what am I going to do with all of this screen?! |
| 23:33 | it's crazy huge. and it's the small one | |
| 23:34 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea_: you can never have too much screen, alas |
| 23:35 | wizzyrea_ | gmcharlt: I'm sure I will come to appreciate your words as gospel, but right now it seems like a football field when I'm used to a pool table |
| 23:35 | wizzyrea left #koha | |
| 23:35 | wizzyrea_ is now known as wizzyrea | |
| 23:35 | chris_n2 | huge_screen++ |
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| 23:41 | wizzyrea | brb |
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| 23:42 | chris_n2 | @wunder 28334 |
| 23:42 | munin | chris_n2: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 17.0�C (6:20 PM EST on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). |
| 23:52 | wizzyrea joined #koha | |
| 23:54 | wizzyrea | who thought it was a good idea to make iTunes 600MB |
| 23:54 | * wizzyrea | sighs |
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