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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:02 | brendan | evening chris_n2 |
| 00:02 | chris_n2 | heya brendan |
| 00:07 | hdl | bye |
| 00:18 | rich-away is now known as richard | |
| 00:27 | chris_n2 | is Biblio.pm in some need of cleanup? |
| 00:28 | pianohacker | Most of Koha older than about 2 years is in need of cleanup |
| 00:29 | Biblio.pm isn't comparatively bad, tho | |
| 00:29 | brendan | that should become the stock answer |
| 00:29 | chris_n2 | hehe |
| 00:29 | chris | hehe |
| 00:30 | pianohacker | ::Koha, ::Search and ::Language are the worst I can think of off the top of my head |
| 00:30 | you guys? | |
| 00:30 | chris_n2 | ::Search -- |
| 00:30 | chris | yeah search and language are my pet peeves |
| 00:31 | koha i dont touch much | |
| 00:31 | pianohacker | ::Koha's just kind of a dumping ground of miscellaneous, unloved and duplicative functions |
| 00:31 | chris | ahhh |
| 00:31 | chris_n2 | it appears that isbn's might be being only partly sanitized during export.... so I'm poking around where I've not been before |
| 00:31 | pianohacker | Authorized values, itemtype images, etc. |
| 00:32 | chris | yuck |
| 00:32 | brendan | I think pianohacker instead of going to college -- should start his own college - Koha university with the first professor and chancellor being painohacker |
| 00:32 | pianohacker | accreditation might be problematic, but it sure sounds fun |
| 00:32 | chris_n2 | Dr. Pianohacker... |
| 00:32 | has a bit of a ring to it | |
| 00:33 | brendan | I like it |
| 00:33 | pianohacker | sounds like something from a joss whedon film |
| 00:33 | Or do I have him mixed up with abrams | |
| 00:33 | brendan | Let it be know -- "Dr. Pianohacker" |
| 00:33 | pianohacker | hmm |
| 00:33 | pianohacker is now known as dr_pianohacker | |
| 00:33 | dr_pianohacker | not bad at all |
| 00:33 | brendan | err... known |
| 00:33 | chris_n2 | heh |
| 00:34 | dr_pianohacker is now known as pianohacker | |
| 00:34 | brendan | dr_pianohacker++ |
| 00:34 | * chris_n2 | imagines a white jacketed man with a hatchet standing over a piano |
| 00:34 | pianohacker | anyway, back to what passes for normal |
| 00:34 | brendan | missed my window |
| 00:34 | pianohacker | hahaha |
| 00:34 | brendan | dr_pianohacker uses a chainsaw |
| 00:34 | and makes art | |
| 00:35 | pianohacker | finally, a use for the old, out-of-tune uprights that litter the nation |
| 00:35 | * chris_n2 | has one in his barn he'll donate to the cause |
| 00:35 | chris_n2 | an old player piano |
| 00:35 | that doesn't | |
| 00:36 | pianohacker | that might be more fun to fix, I've always wanted to see one of those in action |
| 00:40 | brendan | ok time to ask the question |
| 00:40 | how'd you come up with pianohacker? | |
| 00:41 | pianohacker | really kind of prosaic: piano teacher said I looked like I was at the computer keyboard while I was playing |
| 00:41 | not quite sure what he meant, though I do look verah serious while playing apparently | |
| 00:42 | brendan | heh |
| 00:42 | chris | he's obviously never seen me at my computer keyboard then |
| 00:42 | its usually the opposite of serious | |
| 00:42 | :) | |
| 00:42 | pianohacker | haha |
| 00:43 | * pianohacker | should try rewriting Search.pm while staying very stern, might help |
| 00:43 | chris | heh |
| 00:47 | chris_n2 | lol :-) |
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| 01:03 | brendan | later dood's time to get out of the office :) |
| 01:05 | chris | cya later |
| 01:05 | pianohacker | bye brendan |
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| 02:36 | chris_n2 | bibliotimes.isbn is a varchar(30)... |
| 02:36 | it appears that when Biblio::_koha_add_biblioitem is called, the 952 fields are concatenated with pipe separators... | |
| 02:37 | consider a bib with 13 items attached | |
| 02:37 | when the isbn fields are concatenated we easily exceed the varchar(30) field length | |
| 02:38 | and at least part of the bib/items is/are not imported due to bad error trapping | |
| 02:38 | does that hold water? | |
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| 02:39 | * chris_n2 | did not mean to scare off brendan ;-) |
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| 03:02 | pianohacker | chris_n2: sounds very possible |
| 03:03 | chris_n2 | well, I just dropped two indexes on biblioitems and made isbn and issn mediumtext and the import went fine |
| 03:03 | one bib had 14 items attached... an encyclopedia of sorts | |
| 03:04 | * chris_n2 | dances a jig |
| 03:04 | chris_n2 | zebra is indexing now |
| 03:05 | on win32 | |
| 03:08 | pianohacker | woah, very nice |
| 03:09 | chris_n2 | awesome... imported 4k bibs... zebra indexed... searches work... wOOt... |
| 03:09 | * chris_n2 | rewards himself with a night of going to sleep before 2am |
| 03:10 | chris_n2 | sorry for the shameless $self->patting_own_back() |
| 03:13 | this must be the project to scare out bugs.... search works fine in staff-client, but not at all in opac | |
| 03:14 | ok, off to sleep | |
| 03:14 | g'night | |
| 03:14 | pianohacker | good night |
| 03:15 | and good luck | |
| 03:34 | Amit | hi chris_n2, chris |
| 03:34 | good morning #koha | |
| 03:37 | pianohacker | hello, Amit |
| 03:37 | Amit | heya pianohacker |
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| 04:44 | pianohacker | Good _night_ |
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| 04:58 | shipley | nom nom |
| 04:59 | i wonder why there even exists a word for nothing. the meaning implys otherwise | |
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| 06:04 | rickw | heloo ... |
| 06:04 | any Koha 3 expoerts here? | |
| 06:04 | we are migrating from 2.2.9 with attendant hair pulling and gnashings | |
| 06:04 | of dentures | |
| 06:06 | .whois rickw | |
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| 06:23 | rickw | hello again |
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| 07:47 | wizzyrea_mobile | joetho: What are you doing up so late? |
| 07:47 | Ropuch | Good morning #koha |
| 07:48 | wizzyrea_mobile | Hi Ropuch |
| 07:50 | @quote random | |
| 07:50 | munin | wizzyrea_mobile: Quote #5: "<jwagner> Why is it every Koha rock I turn over produces a zillion (metaphorical) ants, each with a new question????" (added by kf at 09:13 AM, June 12, 2009) |
| 07:50 | wizzyrea_mobile | @quote random |
| 07:50 | munin | wizzyrea_mobile: Quote #24: "<kmkale> interesting word munin. in many indian languages we have a word munim who used to be a sort of accountant for all businessmen" (added by gmcharlt at 10:07 AM, August 07, 2009) |
| 07:51 | wizzyrea_mobile | @wunder 66047 |
| 07:51 | munin | wizzyrea_mobile: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 12.2�C (1:49 AM CST on November 13, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1004.6 hPa (Falling). |
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| 08:14 | kf | good morning #koha |
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| 08:16 | Ropuch | Guten Tag, kf [; |
| 08:16 | kf | Guten morgen Ropuch :) |
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| 10:05 | imp | moinsen |
| 10:06 | kf | guten morgen imp |
| 10:07 | imp | die andere seite der erde schl�ft und wir sprechen nun deutsch hier? :D |
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| 10:10 | kf | irgendwie kann hier fast jeder ein bisschen deutsch, ich bin unschuldig ;) |
| 10:11 | imp | hehe |
| 10:12 | * imp | muss mal sein koha updaten |
| 10:14 | imp | kann ich das alte einfach �berschreiben oder lieber sauber starten und nur die konfig importieren? |
| 10:20 | kf | update sollte kein problem sein |
| 10:23 | hdl | ach detch gesprochen hier.... Sehr gut Für Koha ;) Es meint es ist "spreading all around the world". |
| 10:23 | kf sorry | |
| 10:23 | kf | good morning hdl |
| 10:23 | hdl | hi |
| 10:23 | imp | heyho hdl |
| 10:23 | hdl | I only have german basis |
| 10:24 | imp | updating via webif would be a nice feature ;) |
| 10:24 | ohh noes, /all our basis belong to you/? ;) | |
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| 10:31 | kf | imp: update is not just overwriting, but cant find a manual right now. but its not difficult. |
| 10:32 | imp | if there are some changes that have to be done for the databases, it would be nice to know it before messing around |
| 10:33 | kf | imp: they are done when updating, you get the web installer interface, he says "need to update database" and its odne |
| 10:34 | imp: git or standard install? | |
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| 11:42 | paul_p2 | seen chris_n |
| 11:42 | @logbot_backup: seen chris_n | |
| 11:42 | munin | paul_p2: Error: "logbot_backup:" is not a valid command. |
| 11:42 | paul_p2 | @seen chris_n |
| 11:42 | munin | paul_p2: chris_n was last seen in #koha 17 hours, 34 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <chris_n> chris: can you free my email from the list jail please :-) |
| 11:42 | paul_p2 | @seen gmcharlt |
| 11:42 | munin | paul_p2: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 2 days, 19 hours, 6 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> Nate: GPL v2 or later |
| 11:43 | chris_n2 | paul_p2: g'morning |
| 11:44 | paul_p2 | no more morning in France, but g'morning to you, anyway ;-) |
| 11:44 | chris_n2 | heh |
| 11:44 | paul_p2 | (and the morning was not that good: we have a RFP asking for a server, with ILS, and other usage. When asking "what other usages do you need", we get "we don't know". How can we size the server then... |
| 11:45 | sometimes customers are silly... | |
| 11:45 | and best of the best: on the RFP, there is a phone number for the technical contact. | |
| 11:45 | chris_n2 | it's bad when the customer does not know what they want |
| 11:45 | paul_p2 | believe me or not but if you call this number... you reach a cheese shop ! not kidding !!! |
| 11:46 | chris_n2 | ha! |
| 11:47 | that situation seems to become "since I don't know what I need and you can't tell me, you must not provide quality service" | |
| 11:47 | * chris_n2 | goes to retrieve some breakfast |
| 11:48 | paul_p2 | (i'm afraid it's just something like "guy, we have money to spend, so we spend it, we will see after what we can do with it") |
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| 13:05 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 13:05 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 9.0�C (7:39 AM EST on November 13, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Rising). |
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| 13:08 | kf | @wunder konstanz |
| 13:08 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 10.0�C (2:00 PM CET on November 13, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
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| 13:12 | tomascohen | @wunder cordoba |
| 13:12 | munin | tomascohen: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 13:12 | tomascohen | :-P |
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| 13:24 | jwagner | @wunder 20817 |
| 13:24 | munin | jwagner: The current temperature in Potomac, Maryland is 11.3�C (8:14 AM EST on November 13, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:27 | tomascohen | @wunder Cordoba, AG |
| 13:27 | munin | tomascohen: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 13:27 | tomascohen | ! |
| 13:30 | this will be the last one | |
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| 13:30 | tomascohen | @wunder 87344 |
| 13:31 | munin | tomascohen: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 13:31 | chris_n | @wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 13:31 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 28.0�C (10:00 AM ART on November 13, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:32 | tomascohen | chris_n: thx! |
| 13:33 | jdavidb | @quote random |
| 13:33 | munin | jdavidb: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 11:05 PM, May 30, 2009) |
| 13:33 | * jdavidb | raises an eyebrow. |
| 13:34 | owen | Between that and your last tweet jdavidb I'm starting to wonder... |
| 13:35 | imp | @wunder hannover |
| 13:35 | munin | imp: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 13:35 | imp | @wunder hanover |
| 13:35 | munin | imp: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 13:35 | * jdavidb | grins evilly at owen |
| 13:35 | imp | @wunder hannover, germany |
| 13:35 | munin | imp: The current temperature in Hannover, Germany is 11.0�C (2:20 PM CET on November 13, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:35 | jwagner | owen, jdavidb's had two doughnuts this morning -- don't provoke him! |
| 13:36 | * owen | backs away |
| 13:36 | * jwagner | locks my door |
| 13:36 | jdavidb | muahahaa! |
| 13:37 | imp | why does koha need ipc-cmd? just for installing? |
| 13:38 | jwagner | owen & anyone else, I was just floating an idea here with jdavidb. One of my sites would like options to search both by item type and collection code on the advanced search page. Right now it's either one or the other depending on the AdvancedSearchTypes sypref. |
| 13:38 | owen | jwagner: And it wasn't always that way |
| 13:38 | jwagner | I was thinking of modifying the code & passing both loops to advanced search, and having whichever wasn't the primary show under More Options. Maybe with a syspref to control whether to use it or not. |
| 13:38 | Useful in general? | |
| 13:39 | I looked at the code last night, and it shouldn't be too difficult to do. | |
| 13:40 | kf | jwagner: some libraries may not want to make item types searchable, perhaps it should be checkboxes in a syspref or something like that |
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| 13:41 | jwagner | kf, I don't think there's any way now to have certain item types not searchable. But I was going to have a syspref to control whether the second set (either itype or ccode depending on what's in the AdvancedSearchTypes syspref) actually does show up. |
| 13:43 | kf | jwagner: sorry, I understand how your solution is supposed to work. What I meant there should be more options to let the library decide what shows up. some libraries may have many item types and some of them only for internal use. but I like your idea and what I miss sometimes is an option to limit to locations |
| 13:45 | jwagner | kf, yes, that would be nice. |
| 13:45 | owen | I've heard from libraries who wish they could hide certain item types from the advanced search screen. |
| 13:45 | jwagner | Us too. |
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| 14:21 | pianohacker | Good morning, all |
| 14:21 | jdavidb | Hi, pianohacker! |
| 14:22 | pianohacker | Hi, David |
| 14:22 | How goes it? | |
| 14:22 | owen | Not Doctor pianohacker this morning? |
| 14:22 | pianohacker | Nope |
| 14:22 | * owen | was getting ready to apply for a faculty position in your college's art department |
| 14:22 | jdavidb | So far so good...busy world. |
| 14:22 | pianohacker | I'm a programmer, not a doctor! |
| 14:23 | (to paraphrase our friend mccoy) | |
| 14:23 | * owen | wonders if Search.pm could be patched with a few bags of cement, just like a Horta |
| 14:25 | pianohacker | Ahh, if only |
| 14:29 | hdl | jwagner, owen, in fact it would be quite "easy", provided you want to remove al the biblio and not only items of a certain type |
| 14:30 | jwagner: owen we could also use table filter to filter those itemtypes for display. | |
| 14:30 | (javascript) | |
| 14:31 | http://ideamill.synaptrixgroup[…]ter/tabletest.htm | |
| 14:31 | jwagner | hdl, are you talking about hiding the biblios by using the opac suppression? That's not what we were trying to do. Using a table filter would be a better solution. |
| 14:32 | chris_n | howdy pianohacker |
| 14:32 | pianohacker | hey, chris_n |
| 14:32 | sounds like the 3.0 win32 installer is getting closer by the day :) | |
| 14:33 | chris_n | yup |
| 14:33 | * chris_n | tries to remember how he did it ;-) |
| 14:34 | pianohacker | it's like anything else on windows; if was easy and made sense the first time, you forgot something |
| 14:34 | chris_n | there is one more matter that must be dealt with in Strawberry: GDBM_File must be added to the core |
| 14:35 | that requires a patch to be applied to the original perl core code | |
| 14:35 | it is in the hopeful works atm and should make the Strawberry January 2010 release | |
| 14:35 | I also have to submit several patches to koha code | |
| 14:36 | if it all comes together it may be that 3.2 can be installed on win32 with "relative" ease early 2010 | |
| 14:38 | @seen gmcharlt | |
| 14:38 | munin | chris_n: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 2 days, 22 hours, 2 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> Nate: GPL v2 or later |
| 14:44 | hdl | jwagner: it would be the same idea as hidelostitems |
| 14:47 | * pianohacker | wonders when Microsoft will patent a _working_ sudo; runas rarely works, in my experience |
| 14:47 | owen | hdl and jwagner My understanding of the issue is that libraries don't want to highlight the categorization they use for internal purposes. I don't think the issue is hiding particular item types from the OPAC? |
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| 14:53 | jwagner | owen, yes, that's what I was thinking. If you have an item type of STAFFONLY, you may not want to show it on the item type list in the advanced search, but you might not care if it happens to show in search results. |
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| 15:31 | chris_n | g'morning brendan |
| 15:31 | brendan | morning chris_n |
| 15:33 | * chris_n | wonders how many times pagination code has been re-invented inside the entire koha code base :-\ |
| 15:34 | jwagner | I'm blanking here -- what's the syntax to check the content of a TMPL_IF variable? e.g., <!--TMPL_IF NAME="varname" equals some value --> |
| 15:35 | owen | You can't check the value of the variable unless you use EXPR, which is discouraged |
| 15:35 | jwagner | Drat. Have to do it in the Perl script, then. Thanks. |
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| 15:58 | chris_n | C4::Members::SearchMember appears to be another search fo paux |
| 16:00 | hdl | fo paux ? |
| 16:01 | wizzyrea | faux pas, I think |
| 16:02 | chris_n | so much for my spelling ;-) |
| 16:02 | Ropuch | [; |
| 16:02 | Evening everobody | |
| 16:02 | chris_n | hdl: ie. a huge mistake |
| 16:02 | wizzyrea | hey man, it's french. You're forgiven. |
| 16:02 | (at least by me) | |
| 16:02 | chris_n | hehe |
| 16:02 | wizzyrea | hdl on the other hand... |
| 16:03 | I hear he's a real spelling tyrant. ;) (j/k j/k) | |
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| 16:03 | chris_n | maybe the fact that I took spanish in high school (many moons ago) may excuse me |
| 16:04 | of course, writing code does not require correct spelling, only consistent spelling | |
| 16:07 | wizzyrea | ok, I'm sure I have done something silly: I imported a bunch of records, indexed them, and I can find them, the results say there are items, but there seem to be no items attached to the bibs |
| 16:07 | where did I go awry? | |
| 16:08 | did I muck up my indexing? | |
| 16:08 | run with a wrong switch? | |
| 16:08 | jwagner | Do the items have valid policies? It's case sensitive -- I've found that if I import something with a policy name in lowercase, but the policy was defined as uppercase, I get similar results. |
| 16:08 | wizzyrea | AH |
| 16:08 | I bet that's it | |
| 16:08 | jwagner | If you go into Edit Item on the title, do you see any items there? |
| 16:09 | wizzyrea | yes, in fact that is the problem |
| 16:09 | jwagner++ thank you | |
| 16:09 | jwagner | Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.... |
| 16:09 | wizzyrea | very interesting lesson learned |
| 16:09 | jdavidb | @karma jwagner |
| 16:09 | munin | jdavidb: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 9 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 9. |
| 16:10 | jwagner | jdavidb++ so he won't pout while trying to solve my current problem :-) |
| 16:11 | @karma jdavidb | |
| 16:11 | munin | jwagner: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6. |
| 16:20 | kf | @karma kf |
| 16:20 | munin | kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. |
| 16:21 | kf | @karma cait |
| 16:21 | munin | kf: cait has neutral karma. |
| 16:21 | kf | @karma cait_laptop |
| 16:21 | munin | kf: Karma for "cait_laptop" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. |
| 16:21 | Ropuch | Karma party? ;> |
| 16:23 | wizzyrea | @karma wizzyrea |
| 16:23 | munin | wizzyrea: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 21 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 21. |
| 16:23 | kf | who I am and how many... ;) |
| 16:23 | wizzyrea | @karma kf |
| 16:23 | munin | wizzyrea: Karma for "kf" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. |
| 16:24 | jwagner | jdavidb++ another time for REALLY solving my current problem! (cussed obscure Perl code....) |
| 16:25 | owen | Correction: "obscure Perl" is redundant. |
| 16:26 | * pianohacker | raises eyebrow, points at C4::Reserves::GetReserveFee |
| 16:28 | jwagner | But you have to admit it can be pretty cussed! |
| 16:28 | wizzyrea | is amazon reviews broken? |
| 16:29 | owen | wizzyrea: How so? |
| 16:29 | pianohacker | I haven't seen any for a while, but that doesn't mean they're actually broken |
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| 16:29 | wizzyrea | every time we click on the tab it says "there are no reviews available" |
| 16:29 | oh, so maybe the API changed? | |
| 16:29 | owen | yeah, wizzyrea, I wonder if we haven't gotten the update for that |
| 16:30 | wizzyrea | sweet |
| 16:30 | <sarcasm></sarcasm> | |
| 16:30 | * wizzyrea | is having to do deep breathing exercises |
| 16:31 | jdavidb | poor wizzyrea! |
| 16:32 | wizzyrea | yea, so poor. Just trying not to blow a gasket on an already fairly stressful day. |
| 16:33 | owen | wizzyrea: Yeah, I get reviews fine on my test instance, for the same item that lacks them on our live system. |
| 16:33 | * pianohacker | gives Jeff Bezos effigy to wizzyrea to beat on for arbitrarily and frequently changing the API |
| 16:33 | kf | wizzyrea: amazon api changed a while ago - there should also be a new syspref with a strange key |
| 16:34 | owen | Jeff Bezos can make it up to all of us with free Kindles. |
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| 16:35 | kf | ok, time to leave :) have a nice weekend all! |
| 16:36 | pianohacker | bye, kf |
| 16:37 | sekjal | oh, I missed the karma party... |
| 16:37 | @karma sekjal | |
| 16:37 | munin | sekjal: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 12 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 11. |
| 16:38 | sekjal | @karma munin |
| 16:38 | munin | sekjal: Karma for "munin" has been increased 3 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 0. |
| 16:38 | Ropuch | kf: einen sch�nen Wochenende |
| 16:38 | (not sure if I can skip the verb) ;> | |
| 16:39 | kf | Ropuch: das Wochenende ;) |
| 16:39 | but you dont need a verb | |
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| 16:42 | wizzyrea | jwagner: when you got in your case/policy sticky, how did you resolve it? |
| 16:42 | just create the missing policy? | |
| 16:42 | I can't seem to get it to work | |
| 16:42 | :( | |
| 16:42 | <- sad panda | |
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| 16:47 | jwagner | wizzyrea, if the policies were created in Koha as uppercase, and I loaded them as lowercase, I just reverted the load (I usually load through Tools) and edited the records to be uc. |
| 16:48 | wizzyrea | ah. I think my problem is the policies don't exist, or didn't at the time of load |
| 16:48 | jwagner | I've done that a couple of times too -- at that point creating the policy (to match the load file) might do the trick. |
| 16:48 | * jwagner | no sad pandas allowed -- see webcam at http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Anim[…]andas/default.cfm |
| 16:49 | jwagner | Snoozing pandas, yes. |
| 16:50 | wizzyrea | hurm |
| 16:50 | I thought I did that, I can't even click edit to modify the items | |
| 16:50 | maybe I'll have to revert and reload :( | |
| 16:50 | oh well | |
| 16:50 | tyvm for the help jwagner | |
| 16:50 | or, the advisement | |
| 16:51 | jwagner | Advice is always free, and occasionally correct :-) |
| 16:53 | owen | Someone needs to sneeze at that panda! |
| 16:54 | wizzyrea | (in my puny mind, this shouldn't happen happen anyway. It ought to create missing CCODES and item types with default parameters that you can then set up) |
| 16:55 | (and libraries, for that matter) | |
| 16:55 | (big project, no one will pay, I know) | |
| 16:55 | jwagner | In MY puny mind, Koha shouldn't be case-sensitive on policy names! |
| 16:55 | wizzyrea | that too |
| 16:56 | pianohacker | a librarian, arguing for slacker matching rules? |
| 16:56 | surely, the universe's end is upon us | |
| 16:56 | wizzyrea | lol ph |
| 16:56 | jwagner | But I Are Not A Librarian! I Are A Geek! |
| 16:56 | owen | next wizzyrea will tell us that "Tom Sawyer" shouldn't be filed under "Clemens" |
| 16:57 | wizzyrea | oh don't you go blaming this all on me |
| 16:57 | it was jwagner's idea ;) | |
| 16:57 | jwagner | Me????? |
| 16:57 | wizzyrea | HEHE |
| 16:57 | pay no attention to that man behind the curtain | |
| 16:58 | pianohacker | But BOOK might have a slightly different meaning than Book! Why are you trying to oppress the poor librarians that want confusing itemtype codes? |
| 16:58 | jwagner | Harrumph. |
| 16:58 | Ropuch | hehe |
| 16:58 | owen | Right, Book is for books and BOOK is for audio books, because they're loud. |
| 16:58 | wizzyrea | LOL |
| 16:58 | I love you guys | |
| 16:58 | Ropuch | lol |
| 16:59 | wizzyrea | ok, let me revise |
| 16:59 | jwagner | I take it other people besides me are having a "It's Friday, My Brain Doesn't Want To Do Any Work" kind of day..... |
| 16:59 | wizzyrea | I want to be able to have koha present me a choice: hey, these itypes/ccodes/libraries don't exist, would you like to create them? |
| 16:59 | you can configure them later | |
| 16:59 | pianohacker | really, anything would be better than silently failng |
| 16:59 | jwagner | Now that would be nice. |
| 16:59 | wizzyrea | ph, yes, yes it would be |
| 17:00 | owen | jwagner: I'm having that exact kind of day. |
| 17:00 | jwagner | It's Saturday in New Zealand -- can we all move to that time zone real quick? |
| 17:01 | wizzyrea | it's friday the 13th, I had a DNS server take a dive this morning (though it's running now, and I have backups) and I've totally mucked up my import that took 4 days to complete. Hrmph. |
| 17:01 | i'm for changing to NZ time | |
| 17:01 | though that's probably only novel for the first few days | |
| 17:01 | owen | Or at least until Monday morning. |
| 17:01 | wizzyrea | true |
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| 17:07 | wizzyrea | how does one export patrons from koha? |
| 17:07 | should I RTFM >.> | |
| 17:08 | (you can just say "go RTFM, nub.") | |
| 17:08 | pianohacker | $ mysqldump -u kohaadmin -p koha borrowers |
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| 17:09 | pianohacker | Or did you want a GUI or summat like that |
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| 17:09 | wizzyrea | nope, that's good. You can import that again through the tool? |
| 17:10 | pianohacker | Not sure |
| 17:10 | command line way would be | |
| 17:10 | wizzyrea | I suppose if you can export that way, you could import again |
| 17:10 | pianohacker | $ mysql -u kohaadmin -p koha < export.sql |
| 17:10 | wizzyrea | right |
| 17:10 | pianohacker | (you have to add a > export.sql to the mysqldump command) |
| 17:10 | owen | Good test, whether your export and import round-trip without loss |
| 17:10 | wizzyrea | yea, I assumed that :) |
| 17:10 | pianohacker | (wanted to be sure :) |
| 17:10 | wizzyrea | hehe ty |
| 17:11 | owen | I notice the patron import expects passwords to be plaintext |
| 17:11 | "(if your passwords are already encrypted, talk to your systems administrator about options)" | |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | doh |
| 17:12 | owen | There ought to be a checkbox or something: "check here if your passwords are already md5'ed" |
| 17:12 | wizzyrea | are we writing all of this down? |
| 17:12 | besides in the log | |
| 17:12 | pianohacker | bug bug bug |
| 17:13 | wizzyrea | do any of you want that "create these CCODES/ITYPES/LIBRARIES" thing I was talking about earlier? is there a practical reason not to present that choice? |
| 17:13 | pianohacker | My first instinct is to fail and explain why |
| 17:13 | owen | That's certainly a reasonable first step towards the ideal |
| 17:14 | pianohacker | Probably add that first, and then the automatic temp itemtypes feature |
| 17:14 | wizzyrea | I mean, silently failing is a bug |
| 17:14 | pianohacker | oh, most definitely |
| 17:14 | owen | I picture showing a table of unknown codes alongside a drop-down of existing codes. Then you could either say "create" or say "use this existing one" |
| 17:14 | wizzyrea | owen++ that's a good idea |
| 17:15 | would you do that before or after the actual import process? | |
| 17:15 | I'd say after, otherwise you'd have to parse the whole thing twice | |
| 17:16 | i wish atz were here, I'm sure he'd have a reason why not to suggest this :( | |
| 17:16 | (and because he was usually right) | |
| 17:17 | owen | You'd have to analyze the data in order to check it for missing codes. Does that mean it's part of the staging process? |
| 17:18 | wizzyrea | yea, checking for them could be part of the staging process |
| 17:18 | though I thought staging was merely uploading the file to the server | |
| 17:18 | It does some checking, it knows how many records there are | |
| 17:18 | how many items | |
| 17:19 | so yea, that would be a good place to compare existing/new ccodes/itypes/libraries | |
| 17:19 | and would offer to create the libraries at the end? | |
| 17:19 | libraries = ccodes/itypes/libraries | |
| 17:20 | what's funny | |
| 17:20 | is how I got into this situation | |
| 17:21 | i exported from existing koha, and put it into a different, default koha. | |
| 17:21 | owen | If Stage one is fail with an error, then maybe Stage 2 is match with an existing code, and Stage 3 is offer code creation on the fly. |
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| 17:25 | owen | Set a spell, jstancliff |
| 17:30 | wizzyrea | yes, that's good owen |
| 17:31 | probably a major rewrite :( | |
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| 17:32 | owen | And hard to convince a vendor to do it out of the kindness of their hearts since migrations are (part of) their bread-and-butter. |
| 17:33 | chris | migrations suck |
| 17:34 | id do about anything not to ever have to do one again | |
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| 17:35 | owen | Hi schuster |
| 17:37 | schuster | Hey all. |
| 17:38 | chris | hi schuster |
| 17:38 | pianohacker | Hi schuster |
| 17:38 | wizzyrea | hm, I would think that anything that makes it a little easier to do migrations would probably be welcome |
| 17:39 | at the very least, silently failing is wrongggggg | |
| 17:39 | schuster | Strange problem - barcode shows on title when I do an ISBN search, but when I scan the barcode it says nothing found. When I mysql the itemnumber for barcode it shows the number on the book. |
| 17:39 | * pianohacker | actually had a vague idea of some sort of koha-specialized marc transformation tool |
| 17:39 | wizzyrea | did I dream that you could do plugins or modules for marc edit? |
| 17:40 | that's a pretty good dream. | |
| 17:40 | schuster | wizzyrea - there is an api to link and search your catalog using Z39.50. |
| 17:40 | with marcedit. My presentation from KohaCon09 | |
| 17:40 | pianohacker | something that people who have little familiarity with marc/koha could use to get their info in |
| 17:40 | wizzyrea | I was thinking more along the lines of a koha specialized marc edit transformation tool |
| 17:41 | something that worked with marc edit instead of in the web interface of koha | |
| 17:41 | (sometimes I think we ask the web interface to do too much, but that's just me) | |
| 17:41 | (and only sometimes) | |
| 17:44 | chris | schuster: there isnt a space or something on the barcode? |
| 17:44 | schuster | Nope - I actually have 7 of these oddballs. |
| 17:44 | pianohacker | schuster: is this only occurring on some items? |
| 17:44 | schuster | Wizzyrea - what do you want to do ??? Just marc or other? |
| 17:44 | pianohacker - yes just these 7 from a larger order of about 150. | |
| 17:49 | chris | http://community.eldis.org/.59cde77e <--- things like this keep me doing koha |
| 17:50 | schuster: i suspect in the items table there is some weirdness, a hidden character or something, that is making it not match the barcode that is being scanned | |
| 17:50 | can you try SELECT * FROM items WHERE barcode='scan barcode here'; | |
| 17:50 | ie actually scan the barcode | |
| 17:53 | pianohacker | chris.blog_post: very nice |
| 17:55 | wizzyrea | schuster: I'm not sure what I want to do... use marc edit to more effectively transform data into koha? |
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| 18:08 | jwagner | I wouldn't mind something that could just translate item data -- set up a page & tell it the barcode is in the 852something, the call number is in the 852somethingelse, etc., now put them into Koha 952 format. |
| 18:09 | I've struggled a bit with MarcEdit & gotten it to do some of this, but it's painful. | |
| 18:10 | * chris_n | hacks on a script chris wrote way back in dec 99 |
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| 18:57 | brendan | .away |
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| 19:17 | pianohacker | bbl, work |
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| 19:19 | owen | The XSLT view of opac-detail.pl fails when passed no biblionumber. |
| 19:19 | munin: file that bug for me okay? | |
| 19:19 | munin | owen: Error: "file" is not a valid command. |
| 19:25 | owen | Fine. Bug 3784. |
| 19:25 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3784 normal, P5, ---, jmfliblime.com, NEW, opac-detail with XSLT on fails if passed no biblionumber |
| 19:28 | jwagner | Hmm. Owen, how do you pass opac-detail no biblionumber? Can Koha do that??? |
| 19:29 | owen | No, but if you're putting together an external script that passes biblionumbers to Koha you might |
| 19:29 | jwagner | OK, figured there must be some trickery around :-) |
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| 19:45 | ricardo | Hi everyone! :) |
| 19:46 | brendan | hello ricardo |
| 19:47 | ricardo | brendan: Hi Brendan |
| 20:02 | schuster | Back to the marcedit 852/952 business. Can't you build a vb script with marcedit to do it? |
| 20:03 | if 852c then 952d - I'd have to look at it again. I know I did some of that with vendor records after we migrated in January. | |
| 20:04 | chris - thanks for the suggestion on the barcode, but I still am not sure how to see about strange characters. PM | |
| 20:05 | jwagner | schuster, I think there are some tools out there -- haven't dug around much yet to know if something already exists or there's something that could be adapted. |
| 20:05 | But when I Get A Round TUIT.... | |
| 20:06 | chris | schuster: its easier to paste stuff into http://paste.workbuffer.org |
| 20:06 | (irc cuts off lines at a certain size) | |
| 20:06 | pastebot | "schuster" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "barcode mysql search" (5 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/55 |
| 20:08 | chris | pastebot is cool |
| 20:09 | schuster | Thanks - I can never remember... |
| 20:09 | chris | and when you scan that barcode into notepad or something, its exactly the same as that? |
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| 20:10 | schuster | 30126027889804 |
| 20:10 | scanned | |
| 20:10 | chris | and id you try my scan it into mysql trick? |
| 20:10 | select * from items where barcode='scan'; | |
| 20:10 | ? | |
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| 20:11 | schuster | That's how I got the pastebot - http://paste.workbuffer.org/55 |
| 20:11 | chris | right, but in circ its simply not working eh? |
| 20:11 | schuster | Searching it isn't working let me see what happens in circ. |
| 20:11 | chris | ahhh searching, sorry misunderstood |
| 20:11 | searching uses zebra | |
| 20:11 | schuster | check in no item found. |
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| 20:12 | wizzyrea | oh, did you try barcode: 30126027889804 |
| 20:12 | maybe your index isn't updated? | |
| 20:12 | schuster | checkout no barcode. |
| 20:12 | chris | and if you cut and paste, or type the barcode in ... same thing? |
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| 20:15 | schuster | Yep. |
| 20:15 | I can edit it though... - I used to have an sql to check zebra to make sure it was running. | |
| 20:17 | found it. | |
| 20:18 | Zebra is chugging away. Maybe I'll try deleting this and readding...??? | |
| 20:18 | chris | not sure that is the problem |
| 20:19 | circ should not be using zebra, if it is, someone is gonna be in huge trouble | |
| 20:19 | but yeah you could try deleting and re-adding one to see if that makes it findable in circ | |
| 20:20 | now i have to go read the circ code, cos im panicking it is doing something mental with zebra | |
| 20:23 | schuster | I've edited it and "rescanned" the barcode so will see what happens. |
| 20:23 | chris | nope it doesnt, phew |
| 20:23 | circ doesnt touch zebra at all | |
| 20:23 | schuster | So if it is in the item table why won't it circ? |
| 20:23 | chris | that is the question |
| 20:24 | my $item = GetItem(GetItemnumberFromBarcode( $barcode )); | |
| 20:24 | unless ( $item->{barcode} ) { | |
| 20:24 | $issuingimpossible{UNKNOWN_BARCODE} = 1; | |
| 20:24 | is what it is doing | |
| 20:24 | } | |
| 20:25 | so either GetItemnumberFromBarcode or GetItem is failing | |
| 20:25 | * chris | resists the urge to refactor this |
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| 20:27 | * ricardo2 | tells chris that "Resistance is futile" ;-) |
| 20:28 | jwagner | Quick question here -- where does the publicationyear field in biblioitems get its data? I imported a MARC record with a date in both the 260c and the 008, but biblioitems doesn't have it, and therefore it's not displaying in the OPAC record display. (I chased that code down & found it's trying to read biblioitems.publicationyear.) |
| 20:28 | owen | jwagner: Doesn't it depend on your Koha to MARC mapping? |
| 20:28 | schuster | chris - if I edit the barcode and save it then it shows. |
| 20:29 | After Zebra runs it. | |
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| 20:29 | jwagner | owen, huh -- the mapping for biblioitems doesn't show any link for publicationyear. Wonder why? This is a clean install from current head, I haven't touched anything inthat area. |
| 20:29 | pastebot | "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "this is better" (12 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/56 |
| 20:30 | chris | in circ or in search? |
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| 20:30 | jwagner | And _should_ the mapping be changed? Implications? |
| 20:30 | chris | i can believe that would fix search |
| 20:31 | but unless your circ is different to waht is in the koha git, it doesnt use zebra to search in circ | |
| 20:32 | it does putz around with the marc_xml tho | |
| 20:32 | a fact that it is bad wrong and evil | |
| 20:32 | and will die for 3.4 | |
| 20:33 | since that is where 90% of the slowness of circ is | |
| 20:33 | so it could be that the marc_xml of that item is messed up | |
| 20:33 | schuster: for one of the broken ones (that is still broken) | |
| 20:34 | can you look at the marcxml for it, specifically the 952 stuff (in the db) maybe the barcode is wrong there | |
| 20:39 | now i have to go back outside and prune more trees | |
| 20:39 | gardening-- | |
| 20:40 | owen | No wonder you're considering refactoring Koha code! |
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| 20:56 | owen | Happy weekend everyone! |
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| 20:59 | Nate | Have a great weekend #Koha! |
| 21:00 | ricardo | Bye Nate! :) |
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| 21:15 | ricardo | hdl: wb Henri |
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| 21:18 | wizzyrea | blerg |
| 21:24 | ricardo | wizzyrea: bad coffee? |
| 21:27 | wizzyrea | so apparently one of our librarians deleted a record and it corrupted the search for that author somehow |
| 21:27 | I wish ;) | |
| 21:27 | * wizzyrea | will prevail, though |
| 21:29 | * ricardo | cues "Highlander" movie theme song for wizzyrea ;-) |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | HA |
| 21:34 | <3 | |
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| 21:36 | ricardo | :) |
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| 21:40 | wizzyrea | nozebra do you have to reindex all the time? |
| 21:40 | like, periodically? | |
| 21:40 | I thought you didn't, but I'm a nub | |
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| 21:44 | ricardo | wizzyrea: Sorry, I'm not sure about that :( |
| 21:45 | Jim_UWM-SOIS | Hello, I'm with the University of Wisconsin- Milwaukee. We are considering using Koha for a class in this up comming spring semster, I am hoping to attempt in installtion on one of our servers early next week. Is there typicaly a good amount (like there is now) of people in here that could help me troubleshoot it if I have any issues? |
| 21:46 | pianohackr|work | wizzyrea: Yes, I think you do |
| 21:46 | Jim_UWM-SOIS: varies by time of day, but there's usually somebody | |
| 21:47 | Jim_UWM-SOIS | Thanks, it would be early afternoonish central time if anyting. |
| 21:48 | pianohackr|work | then there should be a few USers at least |
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| 21:50 | ricardo | pianohackr|work: "USers", eheh |
| 21:50 | brendan | pianohackr|work good afternoon Dr_pianohacker |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | yea, there are usually a few people around in the afternoon :) |
| 21:51 | atz++ for highly useful documentation | |
| 21:51 | * wizzyrea | cries that atz is never here anymore |
| 21:52 | schuster | chris - if I just edit the item and then scan the barcode and save the record in the next Zebra cycle it shows up. Strange. |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | schuster that is nuts |
| 21:52 | (and it's Sat. in NZ) | |
| 21:53 | PH|work thanks, I just on a whim set up a cronjob to do it | |
| 21:53 | no zebra reindexing seems to avoid the problems so... | |
| 21:53 | it shall be done! | |
| 21:55 | pianohackr|work | Hola, don brendan |
| 21:55 | now, the better question, is why nozebra? | |
| 21:56 | * pianohackr|work | gives wizzyrea evil eye |
| 21:56 | wizzyrea | teeensy tiny library |
| 21:56 | brendan | schuster -> must have been something wrong in the marcxml blob |
| 21:56 | wizzyrea | like |
| 21:56 | WEENSY | |
| 21:56 | like, in a closet tiny | |
| 21:56 | brendan | go for zebra anyways :) |
| 21:56 | pianohackr|work | Item count? |
| 21:56 | wizzyrea | 4k |
| 21:56 | performance is good | |
| 21:56 | >.< but I don't wanna! | |
| 21:56 | pianohackr|work | bah, that's only a fourth as much as ours |
| 21:56 | brendan | Usually I say anything under 5k is ok nozebra |
| 21:57 | but think I'll change that to 1k | |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | HA |
| 21:57 | very funny brendan | |
| 21:57 | pianohackr|work | but nozebra is not as ideologically pure! surely, that should be your first concern before practicality |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | I will consider your concerns when the date is not the 13th... and on a friday. |
| 21:57 | ;) | |
| 21:58 | brendan | what's the sound tack for that again "get out" getttt outttt |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | oh snap |
| 21:58 | pianohackr|work | How about this? By using zebra, your server load will be less, thus reducing power consumption and saving the environment |
| 21:58 | brendan | creepy movie the first time I saw it... my brother scared me pretty good |
| 21:58 | pianohackr|work | Why do you hate the poor trees, wizzyrea? |
| 21:58 | ricardo | pianohackr|work: Are you allowed to drink at work? ;-) |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | ooh |
| 21:59 | pianohackr|work | Haha, water, under the legal drinking age :P |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | that's very compelling |
| 21:59 | ricardo | Ah... the bliss of youth... |
| 21:59 | pianohackr|work | In reality, it would probably be about a watt of difference |
| 22:00 | ricardo | pianohackr|work: eheh |
| 22:00 | pianohackr|work | Maybe you kansans run your power plants off of boredom and it's carbon neutral anyway, I dunno |
| 22:01 | ricardo | WTH is a kansan? |
| 22:01 | pianohackr|work | wizzyrea's from the state of kansas, I'm from colorado :) |
| 22:02 | We're right next to each other, I think we're supposed to have a rivalry or something | |
| 22:02 | ricardo | pianohackr|work: Oh... That's an "USism" then. OK ;-) |
| 22:02 | pianohackr|work | ricardo: Yup |
| 22:02 | ricardo | pianohackr|work: I'm on the other side of "The Big Pond", you insensitive clod! ;-) |
| 22:03 | pianohackr|work | Bah |
| 22:04 | Consider this free and unasked-for slang education :P | |
| 22:04 | ricardo | LOL! |
| 22:05 | * ricardo | is translating line 47480 of the Portuguese staff PO file (this never ends...) |
| 22:06 | pianohackr|work | we appreciate it! |
| 22:07 | note that this appreciation is not for use as legal tender | |
| 22:07 | ricardo | pianohackr|work: Eheh |
| 22:07 | Ah... The bliss of youth... that learn the Law at a tender age ;-) | |
| 22:07 | schuster | see ya! |
| 22:07 | ricardo | Bye schuster :) |
| 22:08 | pianohackr|work | bye schuster |
| 22:08 | * pianohackr|work | finds his "bliss of youth" cudgel |
| 22:09 | wizzyrea left #koha | |
| 22:09 | schuster left #koha | |
| 22:10 | ricardo | http://www.google.com/search?q[…]&client=firefox-a |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea joined #koha | |
| 22:10 | ricardo | Easier URL: |
| 22:10 | http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Acudgel | |
| 22:10 | wb wizzyrea. I was starting to think that you ran away, saddened by our conversation ;-) | |
| 22:10 | pianohackr|work | it's the tool I use in my imagination on someone when they say youth is blissful :) |
| 22:11 | ricardo | pianohackr|work: Temper, temper... |
| 22:11 | pianohackr|work | hehe |
| 22:11 | ricardo | And reached the last line! Yay! :D Now it's time to correct some more :( |
| 22:12 | pianohackr|work | good luck, translation's always tiring |
| 22:12 | ricardo | pianohackr|work: True. Thanks :) |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 22:17 | no, our usually extremely reliable ISP has had the week from hell this week | |
| 22:17 | last friday it as down for 3 hours (hours!!!) | |
| 22:17 | then it was down all day Sunday and half of Monday | |
| 22:17 | ok most of the week | |
| 22:17 | pianohackr|work | who is it? |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea | then just exploded again |
| 22:18 | KanREN | |
| 22:18 | Kansas Research and Education Network | |
| 22:18 | non-profit ISP for higher ed/libraries/schools in kansas | |
| 22:18 | pianohackr|work | ahh, okay |
| 22:18 | co's gonna have one of those someday | |
| 22:19 | wizzyrea | but this is the most downtime we've had in the whole time I've been at NEKLS |
| 22:19 | almost 5 years | |
| 22:19 | pianohackr|work | It's in the early committee stages, which means it should become usable sometime after my grandchildren are born |
| 22:19 | wizzyrea | oi lol |
| 22:19 | pianohackr|work | can't work in government without cynicism |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | true |
| 22:20 | and even that is predicated on finding a compatible mate with which to mix your DNS | |
| 22:20 | er | |
| 22:20 | lol | |
| 22:20 | DNA | |
| 22:20 | see, I've been working on DN*S* all day | |
| 22:21 | * pianohackr|work | sidles up to wizzyrea's dns server, introduces self |
| 22:24 | * wizzyrea | falls off of her chair laughing |
| 22:24 | imagines PH going "hey baby, wanna resolve some hostnames? We can reverse them later..." | |
| 22:25 | pianohackr|work | hahahahaha |
| 22:25 | ricardo | wizzyrea: You naughty girl... ;-) |
| 22:25 | pianohackr|work | Hey, the DNS server was totally checking me out |
| 22:26 | wizzyrea | yea, it was definitely sending you axfr style updates |
| 22:26 | pianohackr|work | hehehehe |
| 22:26 | we obviously have been working waaay too long | |
| 22:26 | wizzyrea | HEHE yes, probably so |
| 22:27 | we could even go into the realm of discussing Bind, but this is a family channel. | |
| 22:27 | pianohackr|work | hey now |
| 22:27 | chris | awesome |
| 22:27 | wizzyrea | lol... so I have the DNS and BIND book on my desk |
| 22:27 | I just opened it randomly | |
| 22:28 | and the chapter it fell on | |
| 22:28 | (lol) | |
| 22:28 | chris | 4 skinned knuckles and 9 pruned trees later |
| 22:28 | i hate gardening | |
| 22:28 | wizzyrea | "How to become a Parent: creating subdomains" |
| 22:28 | * chris | croncretes everything |
| 22:28 | wizzyrea | rofl |
| 22:28 | pianohackr|work | hahahaha |
| 22:28 | wizzyrea | (seriously. I did not plan that) |
| 22:29 | chris paved paradise and put up a parking lot | |
| 22:30 | pianohackr|work | and a big yellow taxi, took my old dns away |
| 22:31 | wizzyrea | ah thank you, that was a good laugh |
| 22:31 | pianohackr|work | thank you for your typo :) |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | hey, if I can't help, at least I can be funny |
| 22:34 | pianohackr|work | patches or dns-based innuendo, your choice |
| 22:34 | ricardo | chris: Who won? You or the trees? ;-) |
| 22:38 | chris | the trees |
| 22:39 | ricardo | chris:LOL! |
| 22:41 | wizzyrea | PH, see, chris is more of an enemy to the trees than I am |
| 22:41 | pbbbbrt | |
| 22:41 | ricardo | wizzyrea: ROTFL! True |
| 22:42 | chris: You just became pianohackr|work #1 Enemy! ;-) | |
| 22:43 | moodaepo left #koha | |
| 22:43 | pianohackr|work | hahahaha |
| 22:44 | chris | hehe |
| 22:44 | he can come prune my trees then | |
| 22:44 | :) | |
| 22:44 | ricardo | chris: LOL |
| 22:49 | brendan | purchase me a ticket and I'll be more than glad to prune trees |
| 22:49 | * brendan | can shape them into artwork too |
| 22:49 | wizzyrea | ooh fancy |
| 22:49 | treehugger!! | |
| 22:50 | chris | heh |
| 22:50 | wizzyrea | j/k, I like treehuggers |
| 22:50 | it may not compel me to switch to zebra, though | |
| 22:50 | >.> | |
| 22:50 | chris | seriously tho |
| 22:51 | nozebra doesnt actually work very well | |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | they're not complaining |
| 22:51 | ricardo | chris: Thou shalt not speak less of NoZebra! ;-) |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | well maybe I will switch them |
| 22:51 | I just dread configuring zebra >.< | |
| 22:52 | pianohackr|work | chris: what is the official enumerated list for the nozebra riot act? |
| 22:52 | wizzyrea | might as well get the practice in though |
| 22:52 | sigh | |
| 22:52 | pianohackr|work | I know it pollutes the logs and is slow, but... |
| 22:52 | chris | heh |
| 22:52 | its unmaintained is the main issue | |
| 22:52 | pianohackr|work | zebra is one of the least friendly professional software packages I've had to deal with |
| 22:52 | ricardo | wizzyrea: *nod* I gave up trying to set up Zebra in SUSE (openSUSE / SLES) |
| 22:52 | brendan | wizzyrea --> you've got us all here now to help |
| 22:53 | chris | nahuel and i were talking about that |
| 22:53 | wizzyrea | well I'm not trying anything like that, Ubuntu is all the more exotic as I'll go these days |
| 22:53 | or debian | |
| 22:53 | this particular one is on ubuntu | |
| 22:54 | brendan: and boy do I appreciate that | |
| 22:54 | I can't even count the number of times I'd have been up poo creek without you all | |
| 22:54 | since it's close to thanksgiving, I'll just go ahead and tell you: I'm thankful for every one of you. | |
| 22:54 | brendan | don't want to even get near poo creek |
| 22:55 | wizzyrea | it's stinky |
| 22:57 | ricardo | brendan: "poo creek"? |
| 22:57 | wizzyrea | poo as in... poop |
| 22:57 | brendan | @define poop |
| 22:57 | munin | brendan: Error: "define" is not a valid command. |
| 22:58 | brendan | bummer |
| 22:58 | wizzyrea | @google poop |
| 22:58 | munin | wizzyrea: Error: You must have a free Google web services license key in order to use this command. You can get one at <http://code.google.com/apis/soapsearch/>. Once you have one, you can set it with the command "config supybot.plugins.Google.licenseKey <key>". |
| 22:58 | wizzyrea | awwww |
| 22:58 | hm, if you had the key you could probably @google define: poop | |
| 22:58 | ricardo | Yeah, I know what "poo" is... and also "creek". But what is "poo creek"? :) |
| 22:58 | wizzyrea | it's a stinky place no one wants to be |
| 22:58 | pianohackr|work | ricardo: as in up <poo> creek without a paddle |
| 22:58 | ricardo | pianohackr|work: OK. |
| 22:59 | Figurative expression | |
| 22:59 | Got it | |
| 22:59 | pianohackr|work | yup |
| 22:59 | ricardo | :) |
| 22:59 | brendan | :) |
| 23:06 | ricardo | brendan: Like I would be "up the creek without a paddle" if I didn't have this book in my hand for translating the UNIMARC english sections to portuguese (the online references miss some things that are in the book): |
| 23:06 | http://www.bnportugal.pt/index[…]dicoes&Itemid=380 | |
| 23:06 | brendan | Yup |
| 23:06 | chris | ok back to gardening i go |
| 23:07 | pianohackr|work | good luck |
| 23:07 | tell those trees they're going to have to deal with wizzyrea if they give you any more trouble | |
| 23:08 | ricardo | chris: I think I'll send you the updated file tomorrow or Sunday (I'm doing a 2nd revision/correction pass) |
| 23:57 | It's midnight people. Time to go home! :) | |
| 23:58 | pianohackr|work | Good night, I'm headed home too |
| 23:58 | pianohackr|work left #koha | |
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