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| 00:51 | chris | ahh it made it to linux weekly news, he's picked as far bigger fight than he meant to |
| 02:01 | Nate joined #koha | |
| 02:25 | chris | heya Nate |
| 02:25 | Nate | hey chris |
| 02:25 | chris | i see you were quoted in library journal |
| 02:25 | Nate | do you have a link to that article |
| 02:25 | how did it turn out | |
| 02:26 | i tried to sound neutral but he called me right after i woke up | |
| 02:26 | im sitting in a room full of my girlfriends friends right now | |
| 02:27 | my only defense mechanism is to bury my head in work in the corner and hope they ignore me | |
| 02:28 | ii found it | |
| 02:30 | chris | sorry got distracted by a toddler |
| 02:30 | i think you sounded fine | |
| 02:32 | Nate | good to hear |
| 02:33 | chris | have you seen http://wiki.code4lib.org/index[…]Source#Commentary |
| 02:33 | its a good place to try to pull together all the stuff | |
| 02:37 | * chris | just commented on stephen abrams blog |
| 02:37 | chris | http://stephenslighthouse.sirs[…]_about_a_res.html |
| 02:37 | dunno when it will show up | |
| 02:37 | but if you read that last comment, and stephen's reply to it | |
| 02:37 | i just couldnt resist saying | |
| 02:38 | Stephen If you read back, you will notice that David says he is using your software. So he is reserving his criticism for a proprietary ILS that restricts his freedoms. Your company's proprietary ILS. | |
| 02:38 | Nate | Nice! |
| 02:40 | yeah its not posted yet but ill look for it tommorow | |
| 02:41 | chris | yeah it usually takes a while to come through, i think he has to take time to formulate his response and post that at the same time :-) |
| 02:43 | chris_n2 | gmcharlt: nice observation about bugs and bashing, I agree 100% |
| 02:44 | chris | same goes for publicly attacking release maintainers, not constructive at all |
| 02:45 | Nate | Ive been discovered! until monday folks.... |
| 02:45 | chris | hehe have fun |
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| 02:45 | * chris | goes to play stickers |
| 02:49 | chris_n2 | :-) |
| 04:02 | g'night | |
| 05:20 | brendan | goodnight all |
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| 07:31 | Ropuch | Morning |
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| 09:00 | Ropuch | Hi nicomo |
| 09:00 | nicomo | hi Ropuch |
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| 16:03 | pianohackr|work | hola, #koha |
| 16:03 | chris: around? | |
| 16:10 | Ropuch | Hi pianohackr|work |
| 16:10 | pianohackr|work | hi, Ropuch |
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| 18:49 | |Lupin| | good day all |
| 18:51 | pianohackr|work | Hi, sébastien |
| 18:52 | |Lupin| | hello Jesse :) |
| 18:53 | pianohackr|work: how are your fingers today ? | |
| 18:53 | pianohackr|work | very good, the splint comes off at midnight |
| 18:53 | Ropuch | Hello |Lupin| |
| 18:55 | |Lupin| | good evening Ropuch |
| 18:57 | pianohackr|work: I'm sorry, I don't understand the word splint and my dictionnary is not very helpful... | |
| 18:57 | pianohackr|work | hmm |
| 18:57 | http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attelle | |
| 18:58 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: aaaaaaah ! |
| 18:58 | pianohackr|work: thanks | |
| 18:59 | pianohackr|work | np. basically just for keeping the bones immobile while they mend |
| 18:59 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: so wht does it mean that it comes off ? that you are allowed to get rid of it at midnight ? |
| 18:59 | pianohackr|work: yep, got it now, thanks. | |
| 19:00 | pianohackr|work | I've been taking it off to shower. Technically, it's six weeks of healing, midnight on halloween just sounded like a fun time to take it off for good |
| 19:00 | (comes out roughly to six weeks) | |
| 19:02 | how are you? | |
| 19:02 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: I see :) |
| 19:02 | pianohackr|work: I am sure you are going to be really happy in the coming days to take advantage of all the functionalities of your body... | |
| 19:02 | pianohackr|work | |Lupin|: very much! |
| 19:03 | my mother is a physical therapist, is cautioning me to not work it too hard and hurt myself again | |
| 19:05 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: yeah looks wise... |
| 19:05 | pianohackr|work: I was just thinking to a storry I find funny. | |
| 19:05 | pianohackr|work | do tell |
| 19:06 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: basically it's a man who is not happy and an old wise man suggests that the man adopts a goat. HIs life becomes worse, then the wise man suggests he adopts a chicken. HIs life becomes even worse. |
| 19:07 | pianohackr|work: then the wise man tells him to get rid of the chicken, so the man finds his life really great, and then to get rid of the goat, and then the man finds his life even greater. | |
| 19:08 | pianohackr|work: so basically the message is that how we appreciate things depends more on transitions than on states... | |
| 19:08 | pianohackr|work | okay, yeah |
| 19:09 | very similar to waiting for a package in the mail | |
| 19:11 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: how similar ? |
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| 19:11 | pianohackr|work | anticipating and receiving something is better than having it |
| 19:12 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: ok :) |
| 19:13 | pianohackr|work: although sometimes there are big expectations regarding the received thing, followed by a cetain disappointment... | |
| 19:13 | pianohackr|work | yep :) |
| 19:14 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: becoming more technical... |
| 19:15 | pianohackr|work: our library will use a home-made cataloguing/additem.pl (+ associated templae). | |
| 19:15 | pianohackr|work | k |
| 19:16 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: the scrip is called three times. First it's clled with just a biblionumber. The user chooses a file format to add, says how many files are to be uploaded, and gives a few other informations. Second time the script is called with all this info and the user is asked to give the file names plus a few metadata for each file. Third time the files specified by the user are uploaded to a file server and the metadata saved. |
| 19:17 | pianohackr|work | okay, makes sense so fa |
| 19:17 | *far | |
| 19:17 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: for the moment, to store the daa that have to be persistent from step 1 to step 3, I use hidden controls in the form, which I find not very clean |
| 19:18 | pianohackr|work: I'm wondering how you would store this persistent data... | |
| 19:18 | pianohackr|work | |Lupin|: that approach isn't exceptionally clean, but a lot of koha uses it |
| 19:18 | esp. wizards, like the guided reports module | |
| 19:20 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: yeah actually I find it rather ugly, e.g. because a malicious user could modify the data in the hidden fields... they are not checked again and again at each step. |
| 19:20 | pianohackr|work | very true, but is it sensitive data? |
| 19:20 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: bu actually, what are the other possible ways to deal with this problem ? |
| 19:21 | pianohackr|work | |Lupin|: you can store additional information in Koha's session store, but that's usually not necessary |
| 19:21 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: hmm.. I don't know how sensitive it is... not much but it could perhaps be used to spoil the DB or I don't know what. The good thing is that it's in the staf client, so accessible to only a few users... |
| 19:22 | pianohackr|work | right |
| 19:22 | other, easier ways for those with access to cause you pain | |
| 19:22 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: ah yes I was thinking to something like that. Why are you saying it's usually not necessary ? |
| 19:23 | pianohackr|work | Because the data stored there will stay there as long as the user is logged in |
| 19:24 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: is that a problem ? |
| 19:25 | pianohackr|work | not usually; it's just overkill for most situations |
| 19:25 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: or isn't there a way to explicitly remove it form the session once it has been used ? |
| 19:25 | pianohackr|work: I understand. | |
| 19:25 | pianohackr|work | there is; it's a CGI::Session |
| 19:25 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: right... I think I may have a look to that and perhaps follow this road... |
| 19:26 | pianohackr|work | If you want to make dealing with the hidden variables easier, you can store them inside a hash inside your script, then expose them to the template inside a loop |
| 19:27 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: ah that would indeed be an improvement |
| 19:28 | pianohackr|work | In the template: <!-- TMPL_LOOP NAME="vars" --><input type="hidden" name="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="name" -->" value="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="value -->"><!-- /TMPL_LOOP --> |
| 19:28 | the code to support that's pretty trivial | |
| 19:28 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: yeah that's okay, I think I see what you mean, it's really elegant, thanks a lot |
| 19:29 | pianohackr|work | np, minor hack that's helped me |
| 19:30 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: actually, I'd be happy to get some feedback on the code I wrote, since it's my first piece of code in Koha and almost my first one in Prl. would you accept to have a look to it ? The script is 376 lines long... |
| 19:31 | pianohackr|work: yeah minor but seems really helpful indeed :) things don't need to be very elaborated to be helpful | |
| 19:31 | pianohackr|work | I can definitely review it, tomorrow if not today |
| 19:31 | yup | |
| 19:31 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: np, do it when you have time |
| 19:31 | pianohackr|work: can you please /msg me an e-mail address where I could send the code ? | |
| 19:32 | pianohackr|work: hmm actually... | |
| 19:32 | pianohackr|work: I could perhaps make my gi repo accessible to you somehow... | |
| 19:32 | pianohackr|work | even better |
| 19:33 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: any suggestion about how that could be done ? |
| 19:33 | pianohackr|work | |Lupin|: would probably be easiest to upload it to a site like github.com or gitorious.org |
| 19:34 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: k... |
| 19:34 | pianohackr|work | although that would make it public, not sure if that's okay |
| 19:34 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: I think ist's okay |
| 19:34 | pianohackr|work | cool |
| 19:34 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: I'm just wondering whether it's the quickest and easiest way to proceed... |
| 19:35 | pianohackr|work | depends; if you want to, you could set up a git server on one of your web-accessible servers |
| 19:35 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: actually our production system is visible on the web and KOha runs from git there, so perhaps I could install some git-web tool there ? would that be a good idea ? |
| 19:36 | pianohackr|work | you could do that; you don't even need git-web, just a git server |
| 19:36 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: yeah if that's not too much work, I think I'd like to do it like this... |
| 19:37 | pianohackr|work: does this mean to install a specific debian package ? | |
| 19:37 | pianohackr|work: and can that work over http ? cause I'm not sure the git port (if there is one at all) is already open on the machine I'm thinking about... | |
| 19:39 | pianohackr|work | |Lupin|: git-daemon is easy to set up and comes by default on ubuntu, but needs its own port |
| 19:42 | |Lupin|: there's http://www.kernel.org/pub/soft[…]ver-over-http.txt, but might be more than you need | |
| 19:43 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: do you know which port is traditionnally used ? |
| 19:43 | pianohackr|work | 9418 |
| 19:43 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: ah thanks ! |
| 19:43 | pianohackr|work: ok | |
| 19:44 | pianohackr|work: the thing is, I'm not sre how well it would work to have both a git server and Koha working simultaneously... | |
| 19:44 | pianohackr|work | shouldn't cause any conflict, as the git server will only access the .git directory |
| 19:46 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: but if there is already apache listening... or would apache all the git server for some well-defined URLs ? |
| 19:46 | pianohackr|work | git-daemon is an entirely separate program |
| 19:47 | |Lupin|: it looks, though, like you can just make the .git directory available over http, and git can pull from it | |
| 19:47 | see http://git.debian.org/git/sane/sane-backends.git/ for an example | |
| 19:48 | |Lupin| | thanks |
| 19:48 | I'm exploring... first seeing if the git port is firewalled or not... | |
| 19:50 | pianohackr|work | |Lupin|: also, re your drupal question: you could easily have koha and drupal in the same virtual host, though you'd want drupal to have its own area (if your staff side was at http://staff/cgi-bin/..., then drupal would have to be at something like http://staff/pages/) |
| 19:52 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: right... but KOha really has to be at cgi-bin/something, it's not possible to change that easily, is it ? |
| 19:52 | pianohackr|work | |Lupin|: no, that's very very hardcoded |
| 19:52 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: cf. Bug 3717 I think... |
| 19:52 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3717 minor, P5, ---, paul.poulainbiblibre.com, NEW, staffClientBaseURL and OPACBaseURL should be used |
| 19:53 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: so I hope drupal is easier to re-locate... |
| 19:53 | pianohackr|work | |Lupin|: probably easier to move drupal at the moment, yes |
| 19:54 | And I'm not sure a working implementation of staffClientBaseURL would fix your problem | |
| 19:54 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: why ? |
| 19:55 | pianohackr|work: here it's rather OPACBaseURL which is concerned... | |
| 19:55 | pianohackr|work | ah, nvm, it could |
| 19:55 | you could set it to http://opac/koha/, for example | |
| 19:57 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: yeah, if it was implemented I could do that... |
| 19:57 | pianohackr|work | right |
| 19:57 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: actually I think it represents a certain deal of work to implement it... |
| 19:58 | pianohackr|work | |Lupin|: under the current templating system, it would be basically impossible |
| 19:59 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: impossible !? I didn't realise the situation was sobad ! I just thought it was hard to do... why impossible ? |
| 20:00 | pianohackr|work | perhaps not impossible, but every link would have to be prepended with a TMPL_VAR; it would make reading and writing templates much more difficult |
| 20:02 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: indeed. You said "the current templating system" because there are some plans to change that ? |
| 20:02 | pianohackr|work | |Lupin|: in the future, we want to use Template::Toolkit |
| 20:03 | (no firm decision, just the general feeling of the developers) | |
| 20:03 | anyway, headed home, talk to you later | |
| 20:03 | good luck with koha, drupal and git | |
| 20:03 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: thanks |
| 20:03 | pianohackr|work: just one thing... | |
| 20:03 | pianohackr|work: warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout. | |
| 20:04 | pianohackr|work: any idea what I should do ? | |
| 20:04 | pianohackr|work | |Lupin|: possibly git-update-server-info |
| 20:04 | see ya | |
| 20:07 | |Lupin| | pianohackr|work: sokay, till soon |
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| 21:34 | |Lupin| | hi again pianohacker :) |
| 21:35 | pianohacker: still trying to make the git repo visible... | |
| 21:35 | pianohacker | hallo |
| 21:35 | any luck? | |
| 21:35 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: it's funny, I had to modify koha-httpd.conf so that the URL or the git directory is mapped to the right plae |
| 21:36 | pianohacker: I think the problem is almost solved | |
| 21:36 | pianohacker | cool |
| 21:37 | little mozilla dev quip for the translators: http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/4798 | |
| 21:37 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: it's just I don't understand why http://194.199.19.26/git/objects/ is rewritten correctly, whereas http://194.199.19.26/git/objects/34/ brings up a Koha page... |
| 21:37 | pianohacker: I suspect the Alias directive and the Rewrite one do not go together well... | |
| 21:42 | pianohacker | |Lupin|: does the Rewrite directive end in $ ? If so, it would only match /git/objects/, not /git/objects/34/ |
| 21:42 | actually, if you put your koha-httpd.conf on pastebin, I might be able to help | |
| 21:42 | http://paste.workbuffer.org/ | |
| 21:45 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: well so far I didn't use rewrite rules for the git part, I used Alias... |
| 21:45 | pianohacker: http://pastebin.com/f3e37bc93 | |
| 21:46 | pianohacker: it's almost the original koha-httpd.conf, I think the only modificiation is the addition of the Aliasline | |
| 21:47 | pianohacker | hmm |
| 21:47 | that should be working | |
| 21:48 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: well, it does not... :) |
| 21:48 | pianohacker: try for instance | |
| 21:48 | lynx http://194.199.19.26/git/objects/ | |
| 21:48 | and then | |
| 21:48 | lynx http://194.199.19.26/git/objects/34/ | |
| 21:49 | pianohacker | hmm |
| 21:49 | there isn't a 34 directory in git/objects/ | |
| 21:49 | |Lupin| | you'll see the second takes you to the opac... |
| 21:49 | pianohacker | those folders that exist seem to work fine |
| 21:50 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: well |
| 21:51 | pianohacker: I did a git clone and I think I got the URL from there | |
| 21:51 | pianohacker: however the repo is sane: I did a git fsck --full and this reported no problem... | |
| 21:53 | pianohacker | ahh, http://194.199.19.26/git/objec[…]70cc6b2a57eaa1d0c , from a git clone error, gives a 404 |
| 21:54 | interestingly, the fetch is trying to reach nonexistent objects | |
| 21:54 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: yeah I have similar syndroms with other files |
| 21:54 | pianohacker: it's just that I don't know how to proceed with that... | |
| 21:54 | pianohacker: interestingly, yeah... | |
| 21:54 | pianohacker: perhaps I should do a git gc ? | |
| 21:55 | pianohacker | worth a shot |
| 21:56 | |Lupin| | Total 129145 (delta 90512), reused 129078 (delta 90447) |
| 21:56 | not sure how that can be interpreted... | |
| 21:56 | pianohacker | no useful info |
| 21:56 | |Lupin|: some of the objects are stored as compressed packs under objects/packs | |
| 21:57 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: hmm... and so ? |
| 21:57 | pianohacker: what is strange is that I tried to fetch the debian repository you mentionned earlier, and that worked... | |
| 21:59 | pianohacker: the file that was not found corresponds actually to an existing commit... | |
| 22:00 | pianohacker | so it probably exists, but is in the packs |
| 22:00 | here's my theory | |
| 22:01 | git fetch over http first looks for the plain object, then looks for the pack if it encounters a 404 | |
| 22:01 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: yeah... |
| 22:01 | pianohacker | but Koha's 404 page might not be setting the 404 response header correctly |
| 22:02 | so it just interprets if it had actually found the object | |
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| 22:04 | pianohacker | yup, and that's correct |
| 22:04 | here's what you can do | |
| 22:05 | just remove the ErrorDocument 404 line from the OPAC section of koha-httpd.conf | |
| 22:06 | it'll be a little less user-friendly for those that get broken urls, but those aren't very common | |
| 22:07 | If you want to keep Koha's error page, you could save the html to a file and point ErrorDocument 404 at that instead of 404.pl | |
| 22:09 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: and git would know what to do with the 404 ? t would know that the object is packed and would consequently require the right thing ? |
| 22:09 | pianohacker | I believe so |
| 22:09 | only theory | |
| 22:09 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: ok. just reading the doc from the kernelyou suggested |
| 22:10 | pianohacker: and why would the trick you explained about 404.html rather than 404.pl work ? | |
| 22:10 | pianohacker | because if Apache's serving a static file, it can set the 404 Not Found response code |
| 22:11 | 404.pl doesn't seem to do that, though it can and should | |
| 22:12 | |Lupin| | aaaaaaaah |
| 22:12 | pianohacker: that would be done in the headers, right ? | |
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| 22:12 | |Lupin| | s/headers/HTTP headers/ |
| 22:12 | pianohacker | kind of; it's the first line of the response, before the headers |
| 22:13 | |Lupin| | ok |
| 22:13 | pianohacker | it's normally HTTP/1.1 200 OK |
| 22:13 | |Lupin| | a status line... |
| 22:13 | pianohacker | that's the term, couldn't remember it |
| 22:14 | I'm off to do house chores, but will be back later; please let me know if you get it working :) | |
| 22:14 | pianohacker is now known as pianohackr-away | |
| 23:10 | pianohackr-away is now known as pianohacker | |
| 23:30 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: stil here. |
| 23:30 | pianohacker: I have fixed the 404.pl script, will send a patch | |
| 23:30 | pianohacker: so that it efines the status correctly, I mean | |
| 23:30 | pianohacker | ah, cool |
| 23:31 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: I think the other error scripts have the same problem. |
| 23:31 | pianohacker | most likely |
| 23:32 | off again, be back later | |
| 23:32 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: any idea where the status and the corresponding messages can be found ? that would avoid me to have to reproduce each error to see how apache handles it |
| 23:32 | pianohacker: ok | |
| 23:33 | pianohacker | |Lupin|: http rfc |
| 23:37 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: yep, thanks... |
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