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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | pianohackr|work | mysql database on one of the two? |
| 00:01 | wherever you put it, it would actually be pretty easy; just do two koha installs, point them to the same db and just remove the correct virtualhost on each one | |
| 00:41 | chris | back |
| 00:42 | same db, same zebra (or different zebras actually that would be better) | |
| 00:42 | search locally, talk back to the central db for other stuff | |
| 00:42 | pianohackr|work | is there a Perl or koha coding standard regarding bareword hash keys? they seem to be out of favor |
| 00:43 | chris_n2 | best practices says no barewords as hash keys |
| 00:43 | chris | i just like not using them, because my syntax highlighter makes it easier to read |
| 00:43 | chris_n2 | readability++ |
| 00:43 | pianohackr|work | diff zebras are good, though one will have to run on infrequent total index rebuilds due to the the shared zebraqueue afaik |
| 00:44 | chris | you could update the rebuild_zebra job on one of them |
| 00:44 | so that one sets them to done=1 and the that means the other does them and sets them to done=2 | |
| 00:44 | pianohackr|work | never would have guessed before I started programming how truly important a good syntax highlighter is |
| 00:45 | chris | (or something like that) |
| 00:45 | pianohackr|work | that's actually not a bad idea. maybe that should be a command line param |
| 00:45 | chris | pianohackr|work: definitely |
| 00:45 | wrt syntax highlighter | |
| 00:46 | pianohackr|work | zebraqueue.done is a full int for no apparent reason, may as well make use of it |
| 00:46 | chris | *nod* |
| 00:49 | pianohackr|work | bbl, headed home |
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| 01:42 | chris | @quote random |
| 01:42 | damn, thats right no munin | |
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| 02:08 | chris_n2 | this is insane |
| 02:08 | chris | ? |
| 02:09 | chris_n2 | CGI::Session makefile is nearly exactly like Koha makefile syntactically |
| 02:09 | chris | ahh the make issues |
| 02:09 | chris_n2 | C::S makefile dmakes fine, Koha's borks |
| 02:09 | chris | yeah, that is insane |
| 02:10 | chris_n2 | diff -u shows only expected differences |
| 02:10 | ARGHHH! | |
| 02:10 | :-P | |
| 02:11 | maybe we should be using Build.PL | |
| 02:12 | I believe Module::Build is a pure perl solution for installing perl stuff | |
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| 02:55 | chris_n2 | awesome... |
| 02:56 | using the latest version of dmake works... :-) | |
| 02:56 | * chris_n2 | wonders why he did not figure that out earlier |
| 02:57 | chris_n2 | must be the Heisenbug principle slef mentioned earlier |
| 03:16 | heh | |
| 03:16 | A schroedinbug is a bug that manifests only after someone reading source code or using the program in an unusual way notices that it never should have worked in the first place, at which point the program promptly stops working for everybody until fixed. | |
| 03:16 | chris | :) |
| 03:16 | so using the latest version, you can get it installed on windows? | |
| 03:21 | chris_n2 | ahh... not quite |
| 03:22 | dmake makes the all: target now, but there needs to be some syntactical changes to the install: target methinks | |
| 03:22 | chris | ahhh |
| 03:22 | well it's definitely progress | |
| 03:22 | richard is now known as rich | |
| 03:22 | chris_n2 | gmcharlt and I had this worked out nearly two years ago, but several things have changed in the Makefile.PL since them |
| 03:22 | rich is now known as richard | |
| 03:22 | chris_n2 | then even |
| 03:23 | but this is a big step forward | |
| 03:23 | chris | *nod* |
| 03:23 | chris_n2 | I have this sort of ethereal hope that there might be an INSTALL.win32 file in the 3.2 release |
| 03:23 | chris | that would be pretty sweet |
| 03:37 | chris_n2 | now it installs |
| 03:37 | chris | oh wow, sweet |
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| 04:41 | chris_n2 | oh well, stuck on apache config now |
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| 05:12 | mason | w00t, ive *just* managed to get a koha3_HEAD running on my osx 10.4 lappy |
| 05:13 | it took many hours of mistakes and dead-ends :/ | |
| 05:13 | macports versus fink, etc... | |
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| 05:24 | chris_n2 | mason++ |
| 05:25 | * chris_n2 | wonders how it suddenly got to be 1:20am |
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| 05:54 | * richard | backs |
| 05:55 | * chris_n2 | heads off to sleep |
| 06:03 | brendan | night |
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| 06:20 | zico | hi |
| 06:21 | i hv just installed a new koha 3.0.1 server... just took datas from my another server as sql format | |
| 06:21 | imported those sql data into my new server...but... i cannot search data there | |
| 06:21 | i mean... though i hv data in my new server...but... i cannot find those by searching | |
| 06:45 | chris | have you built the indexes |
| 06:45 | (either zebra or no-zebra) | |
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| 06:50 | chris | hiya nicomo |
| 06:51 | nicomo | hello chris |
| 06:51 | hello all | |
| 06:53 | chris | hows france today? |
| 07:01 | Ropuch | Hello chris, nicomo |
| 07:01 | nicomo | hi Ropuch |
| 07:02 | chris | hi Ropuch |
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| 07:03 | chris | hi magnusenger |
| 07:04 | magnusenger | hi chris and the rest of #koha |
| 07:05 | Ropuch | chain-greetings reminds me of some word-memorization game |
| 07:05 | Hello magnusenger | |
| 07:05 | magnusenger | hi Ropuch |
| 07:31 | frederic1 | good morning everybody |
| 07:31 | chris | hi frederic1 |
| 07:32 | frederic1 | chris: France is depressed and suicidal this morning, as usual (in response to your above question)... |
| 07:32 | chris | heh |
| 07:33 | drinking coffee and smoking a cigarette? :) | |
| 07:37 | frederic1 | I don't say that for myself... Just google 'france telecom suicides' to get an idea of what I'm talking about |
| 07:38 | zico | chris: |
| 07:38 | i didn`t install zebra here.... so...there is no zebra | |
| 07:38 | chris | right, did you run rebuild_nozebra.pl ? |
| 07:38 | zico | but.. i ran ./rebuild_nozebra -b -w |
| 07:39 | Ropuch | frederic1: it is pesemistic, actually - I was nearly sure Poland is more depressed than France ;> |
| 07:39 | zico | yep...this problem occured |
| 07:39 | Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./rebuild_nozebra.pl line 3. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./rebuild_nozebra.pl line 3. | |
| 07:39 | chris | frederic1: wow .. that is a lot |
| 07:39 | zico before you run it you need to do | |
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| 07:39 | chris | export PERL5LIB=/path/to/C4 |
| 07:40 | eg export PERL5LIB=/home/chris/git/koha | |
| 07:40 | for me | |
| 07:40 | and export KOHA_CONF=/home/chris/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml | |
| 07:40 | (but change for your setup) | |
| 07:40 | and then try running it | |
| 07:41 | Ropuch | It's export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib && export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml in debian/ubuntu install by default |
| 07:41 | chris | thanks Ropuch |
| 07:44 | zico | thanks chris |
| 07:53 | imp: chris | |
| 07:53 | when i go 2 upload marc | |
| 07:54 | then... i get this error | |
| 07:54 | Can't locate Algorithm/CheckDigits.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Labels.pm line 25. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Labels.pm line 25. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bi | |
| 07:54 | :( | |
| 07:54 | chris | you have missed installing a module |
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| 07:55 | chris | sudo cpan Algorithm::CheckDigits |
| 07:55 | kf | morning #koha |
| 07:56 | morning chris | |
| 07:56 | chris | hiya kf |
| 08:06 | Ropuch | zico: what distro are you using? |
| 08:06 | Morning kf | |
| 08:06 | zico | imp: chris, which module? |
| 08:06 | Ropuch | libalgorithm-checkdigits-perl |
| 08:06 | (in debian/ubuntu) | |
| 08:07 | I'm not sure it's in stable though | |
| 08:07 | zico | Ropuch, i am using Debian 5.0 |
| 08:09 | Ropuch | zico: tru apt-get install libalgorithm-checkdigits-perl |
| 08:09 | try | |
| 08:09 | If it's not working: sudo perl -MCPAN -e 'install Algorithm::Checkdigits' | |
| 08:10 | chris | or the less typing way |
| 08:10 | sudo cpan Algorithm::CheckDigits | |
| 08:11 | :) | |
| 08:11 | Ropuch | Oh, didn't know that |
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| 08:12 | Ropuch | Guess i missed cpan chapter in my "Becoming perl hacker in less than 10 minutes" ;> |
| 08:13 | chris | :) |
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| 08:34 | * chris | reads frederic1 's proposal |
| 08:35 | chris | looks good |
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| 08:52 | kf | chris: 2 proposals for tanslation manager :) |
| 08:54 | chris | yep im hoping we get a few for each, give people some choice :) |
| 08:56 | kf | but 3.4 has a nice start I think |
| 08:57 | chris | yep |
| 09:03 | zico | Ropuch: thanks a lot |
| 09:03 | but... the problem is | |
| 09:03 | when i edit BIBLIO record... i repeat... when i EDIT ANY BIBLIO RECORD... it becomes two items | |
| 09:03 | that means... if i search with the ISBN.... it shows two same items | |
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| 09:58 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 09:58 | munin | gmcharlt: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 12:04 PM, June 03, 2009) |
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| 09:59 | gmcharlt | @wunder 32605 |
| 09:59 | munin | gmcharlt: The current temperature in FoxFire Woods, Gainesville, Florida is 21.3�C (5:58 AM EDT on October 28, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Rising). |
| 10:04 | kf | @wunder konstanz |
| 10:04 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0�C (11:00 AM CET on October 28, 2009). Conditions: Heavy Fog. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising). |
| 10:04 | kf | yay, munin is back :) |
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| 10:22 | nicomo | @wunder lyon france |
| 10:22 | munin | nicomo: The current temperature in Lyon, France is 12.0�C (11:00 AM CET on October 28, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:24 | magnusenger | @wunder bodoe, norway |
| 10:24 | munin | magnusenger: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 10:24 | magnusenger | @wunder bodo, norway |
| 10:24 | munin | magnusenger: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0�C (10:50 AM CET on October 28, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:24 | magnusenger | anyone colder? ;-) |
| 10:27 | nicomo | magnusenger: any snow yet? |
| 10:28 | magnusenger | nicomo: we had some a couple weeks back, but it's gone now, just a bit on the highest mountain peaks |
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| 10:29 | nicomo | as for Lyon, munin's answer doesn't give a good feeling of what it's like. Really sunny. It feels warmer than 12°C |
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| 10:29 | CGI646 | hi |
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| 10:30 | CGI646 | can any one help me |
| 10:31 | kf | CGI646: ask your question, if we can help we will |
| 10:32 | magnusenger: cold and foggy enough for me here :) | |
| 10:33 | magnusenger | kf: yeah, 7 isn't too warm either... I can see patches of blue sky - yay! ;-) |
| 10:33 | kf | magnusenger: all grey here, normal autumn weather for Konstanz |
| 10:34 | magnusenger | kf: constant grey? Hihi... |
| 10:36 | CGI646 | hello |
| 10:36 | kf | kf: I think its because of the lake we have so much fog here, can get a little depressing in winter, but in the summer its really nice here |
| 10:36 | magnusenger:... my typing fingers will never learn | |
| 10:37 | CGI646 | [Wed Oct 28 16:05:42 2009] Makefile.PL: Warning: prerequisite XML::LibXSLT 1.59 not found.Writing Makefile for koha |
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| 10:37 | magnusenger | kf: talking to youself, eh? ;-) |
| 10:38 | kf | magnusenger: who does not? :) |
| 10:38 | magnusenger | kf: ;-) |
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| 11:12 | slef | so, Koha Express is v3.00.02-final with Zebra |
| 11:12 | on ec2 | |
| 11:12 | Anyone got comments on that? | |
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| 11:38 | kf | general question: is it common to have one koha staff user for all staff or individual koha users for each staff person? |
| 11:39 | discussion started with public lists, because only the owner can edit them | |
| 11:40 | slef: sorry, no comments - I just wonder what they get access to and how often they will get updated etc. | |
| 11:42 | slef | individual koha users for each staff person I think |
| 11:43 | I think you can have legal problems in England with unauthorised modifications to patrons if you can't tell who changed what. Koha's modification log won't allow you to discover the modification source without individual staff users. | |
| 11:44 | kf | slef: thx |
| 11:44 | slef: I fear we are not allowed to keep the information who changed what and when... because of privacy law | |
| 11:45 | slef | kf: where are you? |
| 11:45 | kf | slef: Germany |
| 11:46 | slef: I sill have to look into it, but we will need to write documents and we cant keep some information or only keep it for a specified amount of time | |
| 11:46 | slef | kf: your law should be similar to ours. If you don't keep track of which member of staff changed a patron's personal information, I think you can't show that you have processed it fairly. |
| 11:47 | kf | slef: its on my todo list ... we need a kind of treaty with our customer, describing everything first. |
| 11:47 | slef | kf: yes, one has to do some work on purging old information which you have no need to keep. |
| 11:47 | kf: I think there are some history-anonymising tools but I'd have to look up exactly what/where they are. | |
| 11:48 | kf | slef: so for the time being I think its better to keep individual users and perhaps add a user just for editing lists |
| 11:48 | slef: I got the impression that some of them are not secure to use or need extensive testing before using them | |
| 11:49 | slef | for info, http://www.ico.gov.uk/what_we_[…]n/the_basics.aspx is a guide to our law, but I think much of it comes from or went to EU directives. |
| 11:49 | kf | slef: I d like to go with anonymizing data as much as possible, so the information is still usable for statistics |
| 11:50 | slef | kf: they've worked for us. Or at least, only one librarian has reported a grave bug with them and that was partly because they didn't follow our advice on staff users. |
| 11:51 | kf | slef: what was your advice? |
| 11:53 | slef | kf: to use individual staff users as much as possible. |
| 11:53 | kf: instead, I think several were still logging in as the koha-conf user. | |
| 11:56 | kf | slef: ok, this wont happen here, because they cant log in as root - only I can |
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| 11:58 | headbang | hi |
| 11:59 | kf | slef: I just talked to my colleague, who is responsible for privacy / data protection. he does not know if our laws are similar. perhaps I can tell you when Im finished with the paperwork |
| 12:00 | lunch time - bbl | |
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| 12:28 | owen | good morning schuster |
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| 12:29 | chris_n | g'morning owen, everyone |
| 12:29 | Nate too | |
| 12:29 | wb munin | |
| 12:29 | @wunder 29334 | |
| 12:29 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Rogers Bridge Rd Area, Duncan, South Carolina is 13.2�C (8:16 AM EDT on October 28, 2009). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Rising). Dense fog advisory in effect until 9 am EDT this morning... |
| 12:29 | Nate | morning chris_n, everyone |
| 12:30 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 12:30 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 23.0�C (7:59 AM EDT on October 28, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:37 | chris_n | slef: well crafted response |
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| 12:42 | owen | Really we're all arguing about points that are tangential to the real problem. I think Josh will keep inventing objections as long as we're asking for control over "his" territory. |
| 12:42 | slef | @wunder Weston-super-Mare, SOMERSET |
| 12:42 | munin | slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 16.3�C (12:41 PM GMT on October 28, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:48 | indradg | @wunder kolkata |
| 12:48 | munin | indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 28.0�C (5:50 PM IST on October 28, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:50 | indradg | good evening all |
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| 13:01 | slef | owen: I tried to get it back to koha.org community management. Dunno if I succeeded. Didn't want to ignore the historical and release-quality points, though. |
| 13:02 | owen | I just don't know that we're going to make any headway |
| 13:02 | I guess we have to try (I certainly feel compelled to) | |
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| 13:04 | schuster | owen - that was why I thought going through the original creator as the starting foundation might give some credibility to the community for control. |
| 13:05 | slef | yes, that's one plus |
| 13:05 | schuster | Question - I searched my sysprefs for opacsuppression and found a setting but it tells me to check with the system admin before changing the settings. |
| 13:05 | Well here I am and can't find any information on it. Is that something LibLime threw in and will be in the next release or does everyone have that syspref? | |
| 13:05 | I can't find it documented anywhere. | |
| 13:05 | gmcharlt | schuster: agreed; although I think ultimately it's going to boil down to who wears out first |
| 13:05 | slef | schuster: I think I have that syspref. Checking. |
| 13:06 | gmcharlt | schuster: OPAC suppression may not currently documented but has existed in the public version of Koha since at least 3.0 |
| 13:06 | schuster | gmcharlt - in the long term the community will persist. |
| 13:06 | slef | "requires further setup" |
| 13:06 | schuster | slef - yep - so I was wondering what and how it worked... |
| 13:07 | or what that means? suppress items, the whole opac what is it? | |
| 13:07 | gmcharlt | basic it simply boils down to checking whether the 942$n (for MARC21) of a bib records contains a 1 |
| 13:07 | if it does, that bib (and the items attached to it) won't be displayed in OPAC searches | |
| 13:07 | schuster | to hide the bib from pac? |
| 13:07 | owen | schuster: We use this feature to hide interlibrary loan items in the OPAC |
| 13:07 | schuster | WOW! but they will display in staff pac? |
| 13:07 | slef | oh I think this relates to a bug I have |
| 13:08 | owen | We were getting holds on ILL stuff that could only circulate once. |
| 13:08 | gmcharlt | schuster: yes, they'll display in staff |
| 13:08 | schuster | VERY interesting... So if you do a most circulated type report in pac those won't display? |
| 13:09 | May have to play with it... So all I need is a 942$n with a 1 and that syspref turned on. | |
| 13:09 | gmcharlt | it's not that deep; numbers from suppressed bibs would currently display in that report |
| 13:09 | slef | bug 3006 |
| 13:09 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3006 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, ability to hide a collection / location from OPAC users |
| 13:10 | schuster | Do others know about this feature? seems someone was looking for this functionality to hide items from the public. |
| 13:10 | gmcharlt | schuster: correct - the base index config already knows what to look for re 952$n |
| 13:10 | slef | gmcharlt: 952$n or 942$n ? |
| 13:10 | gmcharlt | sorry, 942$n |
| 13:10 | schuster | slef types faster than me! |
| 13:10 | owen | gmcharlt: So there is no further setup required? |
| 13:10 | schuster | OK thanks for the clarification. |
| 13:10 | gmcharlt | owen: no |
| 13:11 | owen | So the syspref description should be revised to remove the comment about checking with system admin |
| 13:11 | slef | So how does this differ from http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]ug.cgi?id=3006#c1 ? |
| 13:11 | munin | 04Bug 3006: enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, ability to hide a collection / location from OPAC users |
| 13:11 | schuster | Way cool... I'll write this up as a 3.00x and send it to nicole. |
| 13:11 | gmcharlt | schuster: note that there currently isn't a way to hide individual items |
| 13:11 | schuster | That is a great question slef |
| 13:11 | OK yes HIDES WHOLE BIB... | |
| 13:11 | gmcharlt | slef: current suppression is per bib; to suppress an entire collection, you'd have to suppress its bibs individually |
| 13:12 | slef | gmcharlt: sure, for the general ticket. But that's not what NELKS say they're paying for. |
| 13:12 | schuster | Ah yes they wanted to do it by collection thanks for the clarification. gmcharlt needs to hang out for at least 2 more years as he knows the system soooo well. |
| 13:13 | gmcharlt | slef: bug 3006 is also talking about a per-item suppression flag AFAICT |
| 13:13 | owen | We should set up gmcharlt as an Amazon ec2 instance that we can fire up at will. |
| 13:14 | slef | owen: fnarr |
| 13:14 | * gmcharlt | doesn't like that idea - means you all can turn me off at will too ;) |
| 13:14 | owen | gmcharlt: You'll be like our holographic doctor. |
| 13:15 | gmcharlt | Please state the nature of your ILS emergency |
| 13:15 | chris_n | hehe |
| 13:15 | @gmcharlt: it's broken; how do I fix it? | |
| 13:15 | munin | chris_n: Error: "gmcharlt:" is not a valid command. |
| 13:15 | chris_n | opps ;-) |
| 13:16 | slef | @quote add <chris_n> @gmcharlt: it's broken; how do I fix it? <munin> chris_n: Error: "gmcharlt:" is not a valid command. |
| 13:16 | munin | slef: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
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| 13:16 | slef | munin: go boil yourself. |
| 13:16 | munin | slef: Error: "go" is not a valid command. |
| 13:17 | slef | bbl |
| 13:17 | chris_n | gmcharlt: do we need to re-register with munin now |
| 13:18 | nm | |
| 13:18 | gmcharlt | chris_n: no, it shouldn't be necessary to reregister, just identify yourself to munin again |
| 13:18 | chris_n | @quote 42 |
| 13:18 | munin | chris_n: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "42" in it. Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin. |
| 13:18 | chris_n | slef: ^^ |
| 13:18 | opps | |
| 13:19 | @quote help | |
| 13:19 | munin | chris_n: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "help" in it. Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin. |
| 13:19 | chris_n | @help quote |
| 13:19 | munin | chris_n: Error: There is no command "quote". |
| 13:19 | chris_n | grrrr |
| 13:19 | @quote | |
| 13:19 | munin | chris_n: Error: "quote" is not a valid command. |
| 13:19 | chris_n | @quote random |
| 13:19 | munin | chris_n: Quote #9: "pianohacker ponders drumstick->ear as a method of food acquisition...We haven't gone to this good mexican restaurant in a while..." (added by wizzyrea at 04:23 PM, June 19, 2009) |
| 13:20 | gmcharlt | @quote get 42 |
| 13:20 | munin | gmcharlt: Quote #42: "<chris_n> @gmcharlt: it's broken; how do I fix it? <munin> chris_n: Error: gmcharlt: is not a valid command." (added by chris_n at 09:17 AM, October 28, 2009) |
| 13:20 | gmcharlt | @help Quote |
| 13:20 | munin | gmcharlt: Error: There is no command "quote". |
| 13:20 | gmcharlt | @help quote |
| 13:20 | munin | gmcharlt: Error: There is no command "quote". |
| 13:20 | gmcharlt | @list Quote |
| 13:20 | munin | gmcharlt: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats |
| 13:20 | chris_n | ahhh |
| 13:27 | schuster | New question - I'm sure this is documented... I don't often catalog in Koha - so I have this record and I want to add the 942$n - but the record displays a 942$c only - and the only option I see is the "-" to delete the tag. |
| 13:28 | gmcharlt | schuster: click on the tag's label, and that should expand the other subfields |
| 13:29 | schuster | AH! see - ask and you shall be answered by gmcharlt! - thank you doctor - Please state the nature of your ILS emergency |
| 13:30 | Before I put this bug in I want to ask about it here. When you create a bib or edit one in exitance - it asks for the 003, 003 - CONTROL NUMBER IDENTIFIER − to be filled in when you click on it it defaults in my situation to TxPlISD | |
| 13:31 | Which is our LC org code. Then it asks for the 040 c transcribing agency to be filled in, but DOESN'T automatically fill that in. | |
| 13:32 | Is there an easy way to get it to default to that or auto fill it in? | |
| 13:32 | gmcharlt | check your MARC frameworks and verify that the same cataloging plugin is set for the 003@ and the 040$c |
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| 14:44 | schuster | Yikes - MARC frameworks... I have not played with those so this could be dangerous... Off to my test server to play. |
| 14:46 | When I look at it - 003 authorized values are blank and I don't see anything there withTxPlISD. | |
| 14:47 | owen | schuster: Did you click "display more contraints" ? |
| 14:47 | That's where the plugin is set | |
| 14:48 | schuster | I know the only place I have put TxPlISD - is in the syspref/cataloging section where it says "org code" so how did it get to the 003 - is there a problem with the coding? |
| 14:48 | where is this display more contraints I don't see that anywhere in the MARC Framework setup | |
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| 14:49 | schuster | I am going to MARC Bibliographic framework - and click "Marc Structure" - on the default |
| 14:49 | then I see this 003 CONTROL NUMBER IDENTIFIER No No Subfields Edit Delete | |
| 14:50 | When I click on either subfields or Edit I don't see anything about display more contraints...??? | |
| 14:50 | owen | That's correct. When you click "Subfields" you should see one line in the table, Subfield "@" |
| 14:51 | kf | perhaps instead of using a plugin to set a default value you can set the default value directly via marc framework |
| 14:51 | schuster | ok I do see this - @ control field Tab:0, Not repeatable, Mandatory, | Plugin:marc21_field_003.pl, Delete |
| 14:52 | owen | schuster: Click the "edit subfields" button |
| 14:52 | schuster | I like kf's solution. |
| 14:52 | So I want to do that on the 040 subfield c | |
| 14:52 | kf | click edit subfields first, owen is right |
| 14:53 | you get tabs with all subfields after that and can see what is configured for each | |
| 14:54 | I see there is a new log option: letter log - but I dont find any entries in statistics table or in by browsing system logs in the browser - does someone now how this works? | |
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| 15:10 | ccurry | Does anyone have experience with MarcEdit's Script Wizard? I'm using MarcEdit 5.1.3401.12539. I can get it to add fields, but I can't get the conditional option to work. I haven't tried using RegEx; I can't even get "HAS" to work. I can't find documentation that describes the syntax that this field is expecting. |
| 15:11 | schuster | whew - way cool !!! 2 new things learned today - my work is done can I go home now? |
| 15:12 | ccurry - I have used it limited as it creates vbs script and I don't know that. Terry is usually very good about answering questions. I had asked him at one point if he would post some examples/samples but he hasn't done that yet. | |
| 15:13 | Generally I use the full MarcEdit to edit and the F11 where you have options for replacing etc.. rather than the scripts . I use find/replace a lot as well. | |
| 15:14 | ccurry | schuster: thanks. I'll contact him. Maybe I'll try xslt first, since that's the only scripting language I know well. |
| 15:15 | Yeah, MarcEditor has been sufficient for every need I've come upon so far, but now I need to insert individual 008 fields into records based on a unique id, a much more complex operation. | |
| 15:15 | schuster | hmmm I did as owen and kf suggested and put some "default" text in the 040 c - but it isn't coming in when I click on that field. |
| 15:18 | kf | I only used default for 952 subfields so far, its works nice there. used it for classification scheme and branches (only one branch in our system) |
| 15:18 | perhaps its there after you save? | |
| 15:19 | schuster | well it wiped it out after I saved it... |
| 15:20 | owen | schuster: I would expect the default text to appear automatically, not on click. But that's just a guess. |
| 15:20 | schuster | I added the plugin for 003.pl and it worked - even put the data in rather than calling an error. hmmm wonder how it will handle items that we edit locally but don't transcribe? |
| 15:22 | whew as long as there was data in the 040c it left it alone!! Way cool! | |
| 15:39 | jwagner | wizzyrea, online? |
| 15:39 | wizzyrea | yo jwagner, how's it going? |
| 15:39 | jwagner | Fair to middlin', you? |
| 15:40 | wizzyrea | about the same :) what's on your mind? |
| 15:40 | jwagner | We were talking a while back about how you handled placing holds on on order items, & you sent me your dummy item setup. Question on that -- if your dummy item is marked not for loan, you can place a title-level hold on the title? |
| 15:40 | And do you allow on-shelf holds? | |
| 15:41 | wizzyrea | we do allow on-shelf holds |
| 15:42 | yes, I believe we can place title holds on the item, the procedure we outlined for you is what one of our libraries actually does | |
| 15:42 | and afaik it works and allows hold | |
| 15:42 | jwagner | Hmmm. Need to do some experimenting. With that setup on dummy items, and onshelf holds not being allowed, not sure how it will work. |
| 15:42 | wizzyrea | but it doesn't show on pick list (because there are no items availalble) |
| 15:42 | ooh, yea | |
| 15:43 | that is a wrench in the clockwork for sure | |
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| 15:44 | jwagner | Got to do some testing.... |
| 15:44 | wizzyrea | let me know what you find out (I'm curious)) |
| 15:45 | jwagner | will do. |
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| 17:07 | kf | leaving work - bye #koha :) |
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| 17:21 | chris_n | the more I learn the more I know the less I know.... :-P |
| 17:22 | jwagner | chris_n, reminds me of something I realized somewhere in my 20s -- the older I got, the smarter my parents got :-) |
| 17:23 | chris_n | hehe |
| 17:24 | * chris_n | realized that about the time he also found out that hind-sight is nearly worthless |
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| 17:36 | chris | morning |
| 17:37 | sekjal | morning, chris |
| 17:39 | joetho | Has anyone here had any experiences with the Koha inventory tool? |
| 17:41 | chris | not in a few years |
| 17:41 | hdl_laptop | joetho: ? |
| 17:42 | joetho | yes, hdl_laptop? |
| 17:42 | hdl_laptop | your question ? |
| 17:43 | joetho | Just wondering how it would work with a barcode file. One of these days I hope to have time to experiment with it. |
| 17:43 | Very few of the libraries we have migrated into our koha consortium had inventoried recently. | |
| 17:44 | Most had NEVER inventoried. | |
| 17:44 | hdl_laptop | in 3.2 there has been some improvements on it. |
| 17:45 | with a barcode file, you just ingest your data. | |
| 17:45 | joetho | Perfect! "Let's just wait on this, until after the 3.2 rollout..." |
| 17:46 | I say that a lot anyway. | |
| 17:46 | chris | :) |
| 17:46 | what version are you running ? it might be live on yours already | |
| 17:46 | hdl_laptop | chris : I had to reintroduce the submit button translation |
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| 17:47 | hdl_laptop | because most of submits need to be translated. |
| 17:47 | joetho | version 3.01.00.032 |
| 17:48 | although I was messing about on our test installation, which is older | |
| 17:48 | chris | yeah i think you have it, last change was in june joetho |
| 17:48 | hdl_laptop: ok | |
| 17:48 | joetho | Speaking of which, I wonder what we will have for version numbers in the future, on our hosted system. |
| 17:49 | For some reason I keep thinking about the term "Stockholm Syndrome" | |
| 17:49 | chris | 3.i.cant.tell.you.or.i.have.to.kill.you.1 |
| 17:50 | joetho | well don't tell me then. |
| 17:50 | chris | heh |
| 17:50 | joetho | Whew, another bullet DODGED |
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| 17:50 | chris | ok bbiab |
| 17:51 | joetho | I will look at the inventory changes to see what to look for. Thanks! |
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| 18:13 | thd-away is now known as thd | |
| 18:14 | thd | When is tomorrow's #IRC meeting? |
| 18:15 | s/IRC/koha IRC/ | |
| 18:16 | owen-away is now known as owen | |
| 18:16 | thd | hello owen |
| 18:16 | Ropuch | Hi thd, owen |
| 18:17 | thd | hello Ropuch |
| 18:17 | Ropuch | I was sure the meeting is today |
| 18:20 | slef | Koha: foundation-association forming - 19:00 UTC, Reference: http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]09-10-07#i_316191 |
| 18:21 | says the co-op shared calendar | |
| 18:21 | HTH. BBL. | |
| 18:21 | chris | someone really should send out an email then, because i dont think many people remembered |
| 18:22 | Ropuch | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes09oct07 Agree times of next meetings: Foundation-forming 19 UTC 28 October 2009 |
| 18:22 | Yep | |
| 18:22 | slef | I've got to go discuss the road company. Can someone else send it, please? |
| 18:22 | Ropuch: postponed a day so that nengard could be here. | |
| 18:23 | Ropuch: see the summary link to the wiki pages that need creating | |
| 18:23 | thd | chris: I suggested sending an email and tentative agenda posted in the wiki to nengard but I only had an autoreply |
| 18:23 | chris | she is at a conference that is why |
| 18:23 | and yes it was postponed was my recollection | |
| 18:23 | thd | chris: was it postponed until after tomorrow? |
| 18:24 | chris | ok, 10/29 for the foundation IRC meeting |
| 18:24 | and 4 Novmeber for the next general meeting | |
| 18:24 | both 19:00 UTC | |
| 18:24 | Ropuch | Nice |
| 18:24 | chris | so thats in about 24 hours |
| 18:24 | * paul_p | did 6 patches for 3.2 today (acquisitions). Very happy to have had some time for some coding those days :D |
| 18:24 | chris | -25 mins |
| 18:24 | paul_p | 'morning chris |
| 18:24 | chris | paul_p++ |
| 18:24 | gmcharlt | hi chris, paul_p |
| 18:24 | Ropuch | paul_p: ++ |
| 18:24 | paul_p | hi gmcharlt |
| 18:25 | chris | thd: if you have time to send out an email that would be good, otherwise i will send one when i get to work |
| 18:25 | hiya gmcharlt | |
| 18:25 | paul_p | still some to do... (there are some dirty bugs -merge problems, as it used to work at SAN-OP- that we must fix before you can merge our branch, gmcharlt |
| 18:26 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 18:26 | chris | paul_p: HLT are very excited to test, when you give the word :) |
| 18:26 | thd | chris: my time is very short at the moment but I will look at the previous format and try. I will at least start a blank agenda page first. |
| 18:26 | paul_p | + jean andré is working on - select the delivery place and - better pdf printing (more flexible) |
| 18:29 | chris | thd: thank you |
| 18:31 | * paul_p | hungry. It's 7:30PM here, so, I go back home (tomorrow, my family come back after a few days vacations) |
| 18:31 | paul_p | see you tomorrow #koha ! |
| 18:33 | chris | cya paul_p |
| 18:42 | chris_n | paul_p: is jean working on pdf generation in koha? |
| 18:42 | if so, I'd love to collaborate | |
| 18:43 | @later tell paul_p if jean is working on pdf generation in koha, I'd love to collaborate | |
| 18:43 | munin | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:45 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 18:45 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.2�C (11:40 AM PDT on October 28, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Steady). |
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| 18:50 | chris | ok off to work now |
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| 19:24 | |Lupin| | hello there :) |
| 19:25 | chris_n | hi |Lupin| |
| 19:26 | |Lupin| | is it possible in Koha to search all records which have one item of a given ccode and no item with another given ccode, please ? |
| 19:26 | hello chris_n | |
| 19:30 | sekjal | |Lupin|: I think you could write some SQL that would give you all those records, but I'm not sure if the regular search interface would do that |
| 19:31 | |Lupin| | sekjal: hmm, not ure it would be doable inpure sql, cause you have to extract the item fields and test their subfields... |
| 19:32 | schuster | Question about record matching rules - search index - how do I found out what my options are? Is there an index for 001 tag? |
| 19:32 | sekjal | do you have your ccode mapped from MARC to a Koha database field? |
| 19:34 | |Lupin| | sekjal: no |
| 19:34 | sekjal: hmm let me check... | |
| 19:36 | sekjal: actually yes ! ccode is an fields of the items table, so the ccodes are mapped to that | |
| 19:36 | but I'm not powerful enough with mysql to find out how to express it | |
| 19:37 | it's something like | |
| 19:37 | list all the biblionumbers | |
| 19:37 | sekjal | |Lupin|: great! give me minute or two, and I'll see if I can whip up an SQL statement |
| 19:37 | |Lupin| | such that there is a row (biblionumber,ccode1) in items and such that there is no row (biblionumber, code2) in items |
| 19:38 | with ccode1 and code2 fixed | |
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| 19:38 | |Lupin| | sekjal: sure, thanks ! I'd be vry interested in learning how you'd soleve such a prolem, cause my sql is so rudimnetary... |
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| 19:43 | sekjal | |Lupin|: I think it would be something like this: |
| 19:44 | select distinct biblioitems.biblionumber from biblioitems, items where biblioitems.biblionumber = items.biblionumber AND items.ccode = $code1 AND items.ccode != $code2 | |
| 19:44 | chris | schuster: you need to check the zebra files |
| 19:46 | specifically zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs | |
| 19:46 | sekjal | |Lupin|: the data set on my machine isn't really conducive to testing this, though. |
| 19:46 | |Lupin| | sekjal: hmm the two tests should be on different column |
| 19:47 | sekjal: there are to conditions. (1) there is a row associating biblionumber and ccode1. (2) there is no columns associating biblionumber and ccode2 | |
| 19:48 | sekjal | |Lupin|: yes, you're right, my SQL doesn't do it right |
| 19:48 | dang | |
| 19:48 | schuster | chris - you know another question is coming after that response to a librarian... where are those and what am I looking for or where can I go to find the information I need to find out? |
| 19:49 | chris | you are gonna have to learn a lot about zebra before those files make sense, short answer is no, there isnt an index on 001 |
| 19:49 | schuster | shucks |
| 19:49 | chris | heres 245a |
| 19:50 | melm 245$a Title-cover:w,Title-cover:p,Title-cover:s,Title:w,Title:p,Title:s | |
| 19:50 | that says it has a bunch of indexes | |
| 19:50 | Title:w,Title:p,Title:s | |
| 19:50 | a word one :w, a phrase one :p and its sortable :s | |
| 19:50 | now 001 is this | |
| 19:51 | melm 001 Control-number | |
| 19:51 | no indexes | |
| 19:52 | schuster | do you have to have an index to match on it? |
| 19:52 | gmcharlt | that does signal that it's indexed - just not specific qualified as a word or phrase index |
| 19:52 | and yes, a tag has to be indexed in order to find records in the database that are matches | |
| 19:53 | schuster | It is indexed, I know that but can I use that as a match point? |
| 19:53 | gmcharlt | yes, assuming that the index is also mapped to a CCL index name (in ccl.properties) |
| 19:55 | schuster | where would I find ccl.properties to determine if it is mapped? |
| 19:56 | dig and yea shall find... :) | |
| 19:56 | found it. | |
| 19:58 | so I see #control number-local then I see | |
| 19:58 | local-number 1=12 (notice no # in front) | |
| 19:59 | then sn Local-number | |
| 20:00 | gmcharlt | ah, right I skipped a step |
| 20:00 | is Control-number listed in bib1.att | |
| 20:00 | ? | |
| 20:02 | schuster | where would I found that information? |
| 20:03 | gmcharlt | bib1.att is yet another Zebra config file |
| 20:05 | sekjal | |Lupin| well, one inefficient way to do it is to do a couple nested statements; get a list of all the biblionumbers that match the first criteria, and another that match all the second criteria, and then select only biblionumbers that are IN both those sets |
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| 20:06 | |Lupin| | sekjal: wouldyou use create view to build both sets, or which construct ? |
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| 20:08 | chris | @later tell thd thanks for sending the email |
| 20:08 | munin | chris: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:08 | sekjal | |Lupin| not sure the more efficient way; I experimented with 'IN' |
| 20:09 | schuster | gmcharlt - ok bib1.att looks like att 12 is local-number based on the above? local-number 1=12? |
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| 20:10 | sekjal | select biblionumber from biblio where biblionumber IN (select distinct biblionumber from items where ccode = $code1) AND biblionumber IN (select distinct biblionumber from items where ccode != $code2) |
| 20:10 | gmcharlt | ah is your 001 mapped to Local-number in record.abs? |
| 20:12 | schuster | melm 001 Control number? |
| 20:12 | |Lupin| | sekjal: ah I didn't know the IN bit, many thanks ! This one will definitely be _very_ helpful, thanks a lot ! |
| 20:13 | schuster | WOW this has been a very educational Koha IRC day for me ;O |
| 20:14 | sekjal | |Lupin| I ran a query with just 1 IN clause, and it took a VERY long time. it seems to me there has to be a more efficient way to do it, but if you only need the report once, this'll do |
| 20:16 | |Lupin| | sekjal: yeah, it's one shot.. thanks :) |
| 20:16 | sekjal | |Lupin| happy to help! |
| 20:19 | schuster | unfortunately when I type what is in the 001 as sn = 277250 it doesn't find anything, but if I search sn = 171127 which is in the 999 $c it does find it. |
| 20:19 | chris | sekjal, if you wanna know why it took a while |
| 20:20 | run it with explain | |
| 20:21 | schuster | I already have a match point for the 999 reloading. Unfortunately the MARC records that I have don't have the KOHA biblio number in them drat. |
| 20:24 | sekjal | chris: I think I was searching on field that wasn't indexed. the statement I gave |Lupin| ran MUCH faster, since biblio.biblionumber is indexed |
| 20:24 | chris | yep, explain will confirm that for ya :) |
| 20:24 | sekjal | thanks, chris! |
| 20:28 | chris | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 20:28 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on October 29, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). |
| 20:28 | chris | i thought it was cold |
| 20:30 | schuster | @wunder plano, TX |
| 20:30 | munin | schuster: The current temperature in Crooked Lane, Plano, Texas is 19.9�C (3:29 PM CDT on October 28, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.64 in 1003.6 hPa (Falling). Flash Flood Watch in effect from late tonight through Thursday evening... |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | @wunder lawrence ks |
| 20:30 | munin | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 18.6�C (3:29 PM CDT on October 28, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1004.6 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:30 | brendan | @wunder 93103 |
| 20:30 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Upper Riviera - Camino Alto, Santa Barbara, California is 16.9�C (1:29 PM PDT on October 28, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 19%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:31 | chris_n2 | @wunder 28334 |
| 20:31 | munin | chris_n2: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 25.0�C (3:59 PM EDT on October 28, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:31 | sekjal | @wunder 10016 |
| 20:31 | munin | sekjal: The current temperature in Peter Cooper Village, New York, New York is 12.9�C (4:30 PM EDT on October 28, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.55 in 1000.6 hPa (Rising). |
| 20:31 | owen | munin: Is it time for me to go home? |
| 20:31 | munin | owen: Error: "Is" is not a valid command. |
| 20:31 | chris_n2 | @clockout |
| 20:31 | schuster | munin time to go home? |
| 20:31 | munin | chris_n2: Error: "clockout" is not a valid command. |
| 20:31 | schuster: Error: "time" is not a valid command. | |
| 20:31 | chris | southerly front come in from antartica .. there was actually a snow warning |
| 20:32 | * owen | thinks it's time |
| 20:32 | owen | Bye all |
| 20:32 | owen left #koha | |
| 20:33 | chris_n2 | meanwhile, we had an easterly that brought tropical air for an eye popping 26.6 C |
| 20:33 | chris | the weather is mental |
| 20:33 | normally we are in the high teens by now | |
| 20:35 | richard is now known as rich-away | |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | chris: from Internet Librarian http://www.ustream.tv/channel/illive |
| 20:37 | chris | looking now |
| 20:37 | sekjal | is there a reason why Cataloging doesn't have a 'home' screen? its the only area that doesn't. it just goes straight to addbooks.pl |
| 20:37 | chris | there was talk on twitter about a kitty and fork or something and koha yesterday, i was wondering what that was about |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea: who was talking? | |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | I'm not sure of his name >.< |
| 20:39 | oh yea, I didn't think it was all that funny but meh | |
| 20:39 | |Lupin| | k, till soon guys, have a nice continuation of day, nomatter what time it is in your TZ |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | there was I guess a graphic of a cat with a lime skin hat |
| 20:39 | and a giant fork | |
| 20:39 | chris | yeah, seemed they had it bass ackwards |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | they were like HAHA THIS IS FUNNY |
| 20:39 | sekjal | http://twitter.com/JanieH |
| 20:39 | |Lupin| left #koha | |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | and I was like, I don't get it |
| 20:40 | chris | yeah |
| 20:40 | yeah i tried asking who was talking | |
| 20:41 | sekjal | the tweets surrounding seem to reference this event: http://www.infotoday.com/il200[…]dayEveningSession |
| 20:42 | chris | wizzyrea: oh yeah thats an nz accent but someone who has lived overseas for a while |
| 20:43 | sekjal: http://twitter.com/JanieH/status/5220300494 | |
| 20:43 | and i replied | |
| 20:43 | http://twitter.com/ranginui/status/5224497555 | |
| 20:44 | seriously, what is wrong with ben ide? | |
| 20:44 | he has like email tourettes | |
| 20:45 | from what i hear he is fine in person, but geez, what a troll on the lists | |
| 20:45 | * chris | isnt gonna feed the troll |
| 20:46 | sekjal | yeah, he's a good guy in person, but some of the stuff he posts is... I dunno... ill-conceived? |
| 20:46 | chris | im leaning to purposefully inflamatory |
| 20:46 | sekjal | I finally looked up the two alternate domains he proposed |
| 20:46 | wtf? | |
| 20:46 | chris | happens to regularly to be anything eles |
| 20:46 | yeah, thats why i replied, "why would we want them? are you joking?" (in maori) | |
| 20:47 | the latest one is a purposefully trollish one too | |
| 20:49 | sekjal | yeah, can't help but agree |
| 20:50 | chris_n2 | Ben just does not get it |
| 20:52 | sekjal | he's perfectly civil in person. his presentation last Friday at UH was great |
| 20:53 | chris | some people do weird things with email |
| 20:53 | its like they have different personas | |
| 20:53 | sekjal | I've known folks like that |
| 20:54 | chris | "people arent close enough to hit me, ill act like a jerk" |
| 20:57 | sekjal | ok, let's NOT use ustream.tv for KohaCon '10.... |
| 20:57 | chris | heh |
| 20:58 | wizzyrea | that was actually the camera I think |
| 20:58 | the sound being so bad | |
| 20:58 | chris | yeah, i closed mine |
| 20:58 | sekjal | wizzyrea: I'm having problems loading |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | :/ not so cool |
| 20:59 | it's a good idea though | |
| 20:59 | sekjal | indeed |
| 20:59 | chris | yep, i think real time is gonna be hard to pull off |
| 20:59 | sekjal | perhaps my frustrations are context dependent. |
| 20:59 | chris | for kohacon10 |
| 21:00 | sekjal | chris: yeah. I did realtime streaming for my cataloging class one semester... absolute nightmare |
| 21:00 | gmcharlt | I think the best we could likely manage for real-time stream would be slides and audio - full video would be expensive |
| 21:00 | chris | *nod* |
| 21:01 | i think if we had digital camera's we could get them up within an hour or 2 of the session finishing though | |
| 21:01 | gmcharlt | and of course, there's that rather big ocean in the way (from a parochial non-ANZAC POV) ;) |
| 21:01 | chris | yep |
| 21:01 | the lag would be a mare | |
| 21:02 | realtime audio and slides would be doable i think | |
| 21:03 | nicomo left #koha | |
| 21:03 | chris | and then the video on a US site within an hour or 2 |
| 21:03 | the other thing to remember is | |
| 21:03 | the time diff | |
| 21:03 | sekjal | yup |
| 21:04 | chris | realtime if you have to stay up to 3am to watch it .. not so good |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | right, i'm guessing that the US'ers would probably not watch it real time |
| 21:04 | we'll watch it yesterday | |
| 21:04 | wow, that's weird. | |
| 21:04 | lol | |
| 21:04 | chris | BUT |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 21:04 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea++ |
| 21:04 | chris | i would like to have a moderator for each session |
| 21:04 | who watches irc/twitter | |
| 21:04 | chris_n2 | wizzyrea: if you want to know what tomorrow will be like ask chris :-) |
| 21:05 | chris | so we can take questions from there also |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea | hehehehe |
| 21:05 | I do, almost every day | |
| 21:05 | CHRIS... TELL ME ABOUT THE FUTURE!!! | |
| 21:05 | schuster | Chris et al - depending on what you want to do and when... I might have a couple of solutions we could use. Chris played with one yesterday. |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea | mua hahahahaha |
| 21:05 | chris | so that people who cant make it, can still participate if they want |
| 21:05 | yeah that worked pretty well | |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea | he's really good at staying on target |
| 21:05 | chris | i have kids wizzyrea |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea | oh snap, too true |
| 21:06 | schuster | gone... another night of american football unless it is raining too hard or lightening |
| 21:07 | schuster left #koha | |
| 21:09 | chris | Rutherford house is the leading contender for the conference so far |
| 21:10 | its part of victoria universtity | |
| 21:12 | http://www.zoomin.co.nz/map/nz[…]rutherford+house/ | |
| 21:15 | and is right by the bus terminal, and railway station | |
| 21:17 | sekjal | sounds like a winner. I REALLY hope I can make it |
| 21:17 | chris | me too :) |
| 21:19 | sekjal | stupid travel sites won't let me search for tickets over a year in advance |
| 21:24 | alright, time to travel on home. cheers, #koha | |
| 21:24 | sekjal left #koha | |
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| 21:57 | chris | ahh thd took the bait |
| 21:59 | brendan | that would be an interesting conversation to sit in on |
| 22:00 | if that was an in-person meeting | |
| 22:00 | assets? | |
| 22:00 | chris | i think ben is saying we should have to buy koha.org |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | from LibLime |
| 22:01 | chris | yeah |
| 22:01 | brendan | I enjoyed the response in Maori |
| 22:01 | you up for writing any more | |
| 22:01 | chris | sure :-) |
| 22:01 | brendan | like why would we want to do that? (again) |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | ok ttyl |
| 22:01 | chris | cya wizzyrea |
| 22:01 | brendan | later wizzyres |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | |
| 22:02 | so nengard will be stopping in SB in a little over an hour from now | |
| 22:02 | chris | ill think ill let it play out, thd's response was good |
| 22:02 | ohh cool | |
| 22:04 | Ropuch | Is "I'm hoping for new tutorials soon" a correct sentence? |
| 22:04 | chris | yep |
| 22:04 | Ropuch | Thanks :) |
| 22:24 | * chris_n2 | wonders if Ares I-X had any perl running in it's "veins" |
| 22:30 | hdl_laptop | hi |
| 22:32 | chris | hiya hdl_laptop |
| 22:32 | working late | |
| 22:32 | hdl_laptop | just passing by. ;) |
| 22:34 | chris | :) |
| 22:38 | brendan | hi hdl_laptop |
| 22:39 | cya in a bit | |
| 22:39 | hdl_laptop | hi brendan |
| 22:43 | ok folks good night | |
| 22:44 | chris | sleep well |
| 22:49 | brendan left #koha | |
| 22:53 | Nate | ok time to signoff |
| 22:53 | have a good evening everyone! | |
| 22:53 | brendan joined #koha | |
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