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| 00:57 | chris_n2 | g'night |
| 00:57 | chris | night |
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| 02:18 | chris | @quote random |
| 02:18 | munin` | chris: Quote #39: "chris <chris> nope, ive made it my aim in life not to learn js or html" (added by ricardo at 06:00 PM, October 07, 2009) |
| 02:18 | chris | it's all true |
| 02:18 | pianohacker | so true |
| 02:19 | I continue to question your judgment in finding perl measurably better js than js, but it is true :) | |
| 02:19 | chris | heh |
| 02:19 | pianohacker | gah, grammar *sigh* |
| 02:19 | should not be talking this late | |
| 02:20 | how are you? | |
| 02:20 | chris | good, had a long weekend so that was fun |
| 02:20 | and glad the vote is all finished, even if people are making it more complex than it needs to be :) | |
| 02:21 | pianohacker | "this arbitrarily complex math gives the exact same result as a straight reading of the results, but what the heck!" |
| 02:21 | chris | hehe yeah |
| 02:22 | pianohacker | that's right, it was labor day monday |
| 02:23 | chris | yes indeed |
| 02:23 | nice weather for all 3 days too | |
| 02:23 | pianohacker | do anything special, or just relax? |
| 02:23 | (blah, cold and snowy here) | |
| 02:23 | chris | took kahu to the football(soccer) on sunday that was fun |
| 02:24 | pianohacker | cool |
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| 03:03 | brendan | evening |
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| 03:08 | Mehwish | Hello Every one. |
| 03:09 | Can anyone give me answers of a few questions regarding my Koha problems? | |
| 03:09 | brendan | I can try |
| 03:09 | Mehwish | OK Thanks a lot.. |
| 03:10 | I have upgraded my Koha from 3.02 to 3.04 | |
| 03:10 | now errors errors and only errors.. | |
| 03:10 | Problem is that I am sure I forgot to install some perl modules.. | |
| 03:11 | how can I veryfiy which modules are installed?? | |
| 03:12 | another now If I install those missing modules will it start working..?? | |
| 03:13 | I think not..I think I have to run make , make test and make install commands again after I install modules.. | |
| 03:13 | am I right or not? | |
| 03:13 | just guide me where to start from? | |
| 03:14 | brendan | I think you're on the right path |
| 03:14 | chris | nope you dont have to run those commands again |
| 03:14 | brendan | go ahead and install the missing perl modules |
| 03:14 | chris | if it is missing modules |
| 03:14 | Mehwish | I think I forgot to follow this step from my guide.. |
| 03:14 | chris | then the apache error logs will be telling you so |
| 03:14 | Mehwish | sudo aptitude install \ liblingua-stem-perl libxml-sax-machines-perl libmarc-record-perl libcgi-session-perl \ libdate-pcalc-perl libdate-ical-perl libdate-manip-perl liblist-moreutils-perl \ libmarc-charset-perl libmarc-xml-perl libnet-ldap-server-perl libpdf-report-perl \ libpdf-reuse-barcode-perl libxml-csv-perl libtext-csv-perl libtext-iconv-perl \ libxml-dumper-perl libxml-libxml-common-perl libxml-filter |
| 03:15 | now these are a lot of modules and all are important.. | |
| 03:15 | chris | 99% of those were in 3.0.2 |
| 03:15 | basically what you need to do is check the apache error logs, the main one in /var/log/apache2 | |
| 03:15 | and the koha ones | |
| 03:16 | that will tell you the actual error | |
| 03:16 | can you have a look at those now? | |
| 03:16 | eg sudo tail -20 /var/log/apache2/error.log | |
| 03:17 | Mehwish | I think errors are same as of my koha web installer.. |
| 03:18 | wait | |
| 03:18 | chris | if its something like this |
| 03:18 | Mehwish | when i type 127.0.1.1 i get following. |
| 03:18 | chris | Can't locate UNIVERSAL/require.pm in @INC (@INC |
| 03:18 | then its a missing module | |
| 03:18 | Mehwish | Can't locate YAML.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 31. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 31. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Heading.pm line 25. BEGIN |
| 03:18 | chris | thats it, so you are missing the yaml module |
| 03:19 | Mehwish | yes exactly what u are telling.. |
| 03:19 | [Mon Oct 26 00:32:56 2009] [error] [client 192.168.0.25] File does not exist: /var/www/HNAP1 [Mon Oct 26 00:33:00 2009] [error] [client 192.168.0.25] File does not exist: /var/www/TEADevInfo [Mon Oct 26 00:33:03 2009] [error] [client 192.168.0.25] File does not exist: /var/www/HNAP1 [Mon Oct 26 00:47:16 2009] [error] [client 192.168.0.25] File does not exist: /var/www/HNAP1 [Mon Oct 26 00:47:19 2009] [error] [client 192.168.0.25] | |
| 03:19 | chris | sudo apt-get install libyaml-perl |
| 03:19 | Mehwish | and this is my error log |
| 03:20 | chris | yeah those errors dont look related to koha at all, but the missing YAML one is |
| 03:20 | so if you do that apt-get | |
| 03:20 | then try again see what error you get next | |
| 03:21 | Mehwish | OK |
| 03:23 | OK now only one error I see.. | |
| 03:23 | Can't locate IPC/Cmd.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/install.pl line 15. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/install.pl line 15. | |
| 03:24 | chris | cool |
| 03:24 | lemme check if there is a package for that | |
| 03:24 | Mehwish | OK |
| 03:24 | chris | nope |
| 03:24 | so | |
| 03:24 | sudo CPAN IPC::Cmd | |
| 03:26 | Mehwish | OK let me try that |
| 03:42 | plz Chris help me.. Shall I write this in CPAN shell "install CPAN IPC::Cmd"? | |
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| 03:43 | chris | nope |
| 03:43 | Mehwish | or only this "install IPC::Cmd" |
| 03:43 | chris | that one, but you shouldnt be in a CPAN shell, if you typed the command i typed above, |
| 03:43 | but if you are in a cpan shell, then install IPC::Cmd | |
| 03:44 | Mehwish | OK |
| 04:04 | I have got success... | |
| 04:04 | now it is showing ligin screen.. | |
| 04:07 | now I am getting error as Web Installer tried to update database .. | |
| 04:08 | * [Mon Oct 26 21:04:18 2009] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate entry 'AllowRenewalLimitOverride' for key 1 at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase30.pl line 416. * [Mon Oct 26 21:04:19 2009] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate key name 'issn' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase30.pl line 443. * [Mon Oct 26 21:0 | |
| 04:10 | Now What Should I do?? | |
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| 05:45 | brendan | evening |
| 05:46 | pianohacker | good evening |
| 05:46 | fairly typical for me, but later than I usually see you :) | |
| 05:46 | irma | hi all |
| 05:46 | pianohacker | hello |
| 05:49 | irma | I am writing a short article about Koha and find myself stuck ... I wish to include the link to the Koha 3.0.4 download but wish not to explain why it's @ http://koha-fr.org/content/dif[…]-koha-version-304 .... any suggestions? |
| 05:49 | brendan | hey pianohacker |
| 05:49 | hey irma | |
| 05:49 | irma | It's an "Introduction to Koha" type of article... |
| 05:50 | g'day Brendan | |
| 05:50 | g'day pianohacker | |
| 05:51 | pianohacker | even if you don't want to excoriate liblime, you could simply mention that the project has had a few minor difficulties with getting a working download up |
| 05:51 | brendan | maybe something like "due to complications with site permissions - the download link wasn't able to make it's appearance on the correct spot" |
| 05:52 | * pianohacker | is tempted to change nick to mate, if you're going to greet us like that |
| 05:53 | irma | download.koha.org .. currently hijacked??? |
| 05:55 | brendan | currently hijacked I believe is the lastest news |
| 05:55 | irma | what ever I say counteracts all the positives I have said about Koha somewhat... |
| 05:55 | chris | well the file is at download.koha.org |
| 05:55 | now | |
| 05:55 | brendan | cool |
| 05:56 | chris | but neither the RM or release maintainer have access to put them there, they have to wait for someone from liblime to do it |
| 05:56 | irma | phew that is good progress and timing for me |
| 05:56 | chris | well its not really progress at all, but at least the file there the _fixed one |
| 05:56 | is current | |
| 05:57 | it means that you can just not mention the fact that the 2 people who should have access dont | |
| 05:57 | irma | oh.. sorry. Being too positive here. I thought you might be the bearer of goods news that the RM had regainined access !!! |
| 05:58 | chris | no |
| 05:58 | irma | But thanks Chris for your news. I shall just link to download.koha.org in the article |
| 05:59 | chris | there is no sign that they will, as the current story is since liblime has stuff on that box too its too dangerous |
| 05:59 | which means that download.koha.org needs to move somewhere where that isnt the case | |
| 06:00 | but that would mean liblime engaging with the community, which i give a .0001% chance of happening | |
| 06:01 | irma | HLT as 1st choice in the survey is great. New possibilities .... |
| 06:02 | chris | well not really :) |
| 06:02 | * chris | is full of pessimism :) |
| 06:03 | chris | i cant see liblime handing over their community property |
| 06:03 | pianohacker | you're a pessimist? really? |
| 06:03 | chris | but it will be an opportunity for some finality |
| 06:04 | as when they dont, we can finally move on | |
| 06:04 | pianohacker | yeah, definitely resting on Jo and kado's shoulders at this point |
| 06:04 | brendan | anyone ask you for a translation for the message you sent to the mailing list in maori |
| 06:05 | chris | wizzyrea did |
| 06:05 | basically it was | |
| 06:05 | "why would we choose one of those, were you joking?" | |
| 06:05 | pianohacker | what could we do to move on? (I ask, as a bright eyed youngster who is getting thoroughly tired of software politics) |
| 06:06 | brendan | wizzyrea++ |
| 06:06 | chris | pick a domain name, put the site there, and get on with our lives |
| 06:06 | brendan | I choose -- koha"is"awesome.org |
| 06:06 | chris | its not ideal, there are lots of links to the .koha.org domains |
| 06:07 | pianohacker | would ownership of the trademark if not the active domain cause troubles in the future? |
| 06:07 | chris | but it would allow us to be able to go back to being able to actually do things like put up links to the latest release, and put the latest release up etc |
| 06:08 | pianohacker | brendan: quotation marks and everything, like the toys'r'us logo? |
| 06:08 | brendan | the thing with a trademark -- is that it costs a lot of money to inforce a trademark |
| 06:08 | chris | i dont think even liblime are crazy enough to try and enforce the trademark |
| 06:08 | against the community | |
| 06:08 | brendan | I mean a lot of money to get into that battle |
| 06:08 | pianohacker | makes sense |
| 06:08 | chris | if they think they are getting bad press now, think about what would happen if they did that |
| 06:09 | irma | Sorry for interrupting but what is the link to the libraries currently using Koha? Thank you... |
| 06:09 | pianohacker | SCO is a wonderful example of how truly _that_ can blow up in your face, yes |
| 06:09 | brendan | I put the quotes in because "is" isn't strong enough in my mind -- needs an equal sign, probably |
| 06:09 | chris | yeah |
| 06:10 | brendan | koha=awesome.org |
| 06:10 | chris | irma: marshall breedings libwebcat is the best one |
| 06:10 | http://www.librarytechnology.org/libwebcats/ | |
| 06:11 | pianohacker | irma: depends on what you want; libwebcats http://www.librarytechnology.org/libwebcats/ is indeed good, though it has koha under several categories depending on vendor |
| 06:11 | irma | Chris: thanks |
| 06:11 | * chris | has to go play with my son before bed, bbiab |
| 06:11 | pianohacker | http://koha.org/showcase is perhaps a bit prettier, though not as complete |
| 06:11 | see ya, chris | |
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| 06:25 | brendan | oh man -- we lost munin |
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| 06:39 | irma | pianohacker, brendan & chris: thanks for the links and help ... ciao. |
| 06:39 | pianohacker | np, good night |
| 06:39 | brendan | later irma |
| 06:42 | thd | chris: has the moon gone to sleep? |
| 06:50 | pianohacker | good night, all |
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| 06:53 | chris | back |
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| 06:56 | chris | thd: yep all the kids in bed |
| 06:57 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
| 06:58 | thd | good morning Ropuch |
| 06:59 | chris: Why would circulation be using XML? | |
| 07:00 | chris | because the item data is in the marc |
| 07:01 | so it parses the xml, then it needs to update it also | |
| 07:01 | marc_xml on biblioitems | |
| 07:02 | basically its a flawed implementation, the idea always was that the item table was the canonical place for item data | |
| 07:02 | thd | kados had told me that there had been an agreement that the SQL tables would be primary for items data and that storing the data in MARC would be secondary |
| 07:02 | chris | yes there was |
| 07:02 | but that isnt the way it got written | |
| 07:03 | basically cos of zebra | |
| 07:03 | and the rebuild_zebra.pl script | |
| 07:03 | thd | Well I understood that early experiments had found no significant performance problem with using XML for circulation |
| 07:04 | chris | must have been fairly flawed expirements :) |
| 07:04 | some simple profiling shows that parsing the xml is the most time consuming part of the circulation code | |
| 07:04 | thd | I think the expectation had been that it could never work |
| 07:05 | The fact that it was possible in real time led to it being considered a good choice | |
| 07:05 | Later there was a change of view but perhaps then no one rewrote that code | |
| 07:06 | chris | it was never considered a good idea by a lot of people |
| 07:06 | myself and hdl included | |
| 07:06 | i was unaware that the idea that the itemdata be stored in the sql table had been dropped until after the fact | |
| 07:07 | it wasnt until i was getting complaints that it was slow, that i did profiling (as did hdl) to find out where the slowness was | |
| 07:07 | hence fixing it for 3.4 | |
| 07:08 | thd | XML code does not seem to be directly included in C4::Circulation.pm |
| 07:11 | chris | my $biblio = GetBiblioFromItemNumber($item->{itemnumber}); |
| 07:12 | thd | that is calling C4::Items.pm ? |
| 07:14 | chris | C4::Biblio |
| 07:14 | the big one is actually ModItem, in Items.pm | |
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| 07:14 | chris | which does things like |
| 07:14 | my $new_item_marc = _marc_from_item_hash($whole_item, $frameworkcode, $unlinked_item_subfields) or die "FAILED _marc_from_item_hash($whole_item, $frameworkcode)"; | |
| 07:14 | and | |
| 07:15 | _replace_item_field_in_biblio($new_item_marc, $biblionumber, $itemnumber, $frameworkcode); | |
| 07:16 | which in turn does | |
| 07:16 | $completeRecord->append_fields($itemField); | |
| 07:16 | } | |
| 07:16 | ||
| 07:16 | # save the record | |
| 07:16 | ModBiblioMarc($completeRecord, $biblionumber, $frameworkcode); | |
| 07:16 | so a bunch of mucking round with marc objects and parsing them to and from xml | |
| 07:17 | thd | There is still value in having holdings data in MARC, although, it need not be real time circulation information. |
| 07:18 | chris | yep, doing it in real time while issuing and returning is the bad bit, not the storing it in xml |
| 07:19 | thd | Holdings data at least of long term value would be better in separate holdings records than in the bibliographic record. |
| 07:19 | chris | yes, and it should be in a format that is super fast to update |
| 07:20 | thd | It should be possible to give a separate bar code for every issue of a periodical for years without concern about breaking the MARC limits. |
| 07:20 | ...for maximum MARC record size. | |
| 07:21 | chris | basically im more concerned about making circulation fast than i am about MARC, since customers complain loudly when they have to wait in line |
| 07:21 | and complaining customers = less funding = libraries closing | |
| 07:21 | thd | yes exactly |
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| 07:22 | thd | good morning nicomo |
| 07:22 | chris | hi nicomo |
| 07:22 | nicomo | hi thd and chris and #koha |
| 07:22 | brendan | heya nicomo |
| 07:22 | thd | chris: can this statement from C4::Search.pm be true? |
| 07:23 | # 'available' is defined as (items.onloan is NULL) and (items.itemlost = 0) | |
| 07:23 | brendan | thd -- I thought that marcxml limit wasn't any greater than MARC limit |
| 07:23 | IIRC | |
| 07:23 | chris | brendan: yep it is, the iso2709 standard has a size limit .. marcxml doesnt |
| 07:23 | thd | brendan: There should be no MARCXML limit. |
| 07:23 | brendan | right thanks |
| 07:24 | chris | thd: hmmm no that isnt right i dont think, i think there are more conditions than those 2 |
| 07:24 | thd | brendan: the problem is that MARC::File:XML calls MARC::Record to do the real work instead of some XML parser. |
| 07:25 | chris: yes so that comment must be an old one which was never corrected | |
| 07:33 | chris: Does items.withdrawn mean removed from the collection or is it a synonym for items.onloan? | |
| 07:34 | chris | nope it means removed from collection |
| 07:35 | thd | that is what I had thought |
| 07:36 | I do find other uses of the word withdrawn to mean issued as a loan but without referring to items.withdrawn | |
| 07:36 | or at least I hope they were not referring to items.withdrawn | |
| 07:37 | chris | :) |
| 07:38 | thd | Does items.damaged also imply not available instead of merely damage noted? |
| 07:39 | chris | yes |
| 07:40 | thd | Items.damaged implies being repaired or held for safekeeping as too fragile? |
| 07:40 | chris | either of those, shouldnt be able to be circulated though |
| 07:41 | im unsure any of these are used in the current code, i have to do an audit | |
| 07:41 | thd | There are some checks for them |
| 07:42 | The librarian can change the flag by simply editing the item. | |
| 07:42 | chris | cool |
| 07:42 | magnusenger | chris, thd: these are the kinds of questions i was pondering while i did my first migration recently. I think different libraries would interpret these things differently. i definitely felt a need for some definitions and rules, especially since its difficult to know how the code treats these values |
| 07:43 | chris | i used to know exactly how they all worked, but not anymore, i need to read the code to find out |
| 07:44 | thd | magnusenger: I assumed that I knew the answers but I have wondered. |
| 07:44 | chris | in the olden days, if any of those flags were set, they couldnt be issued |
| 07:44 | i hope that is still the case | |
| 07:45 | thd | magnusenger: I had not had time to answer some of your questions about bibliographic frameworks on the koha-devel list |
| 07:45 | magnusenger | thd: made me wonder too! :-) |
| 07:46 | thd: i forgot the questions... ;-) | |
| 07:46 | thd | magnusenger: all those values are mapped to a presumed subfield name corresponding to MARC 21 usage where available in MARC 21 frameworks. Yet I had never looked at some of the corresponding code |
| 07:46 | hdl_laptop | hi chris |
| 07:47 | chris | hi hdl_laptop |
| 07:47 | did you see my proposal for 3.4 hdl_laptop ? | |
| 07:48 | thd | chris ++ for proposal |
| 07:48 | hdl_laptop | irma around ? |
| 07:49 | magnusenger | there is some info about the 952 fields here: http://koha.org/documentation/[…]ds-data-migration |
| 07:49 | chris | she has gone hdl_laptop |
| 07:50 | thd | magnusenger: why is it that Norwegian libraries catalogue DVDs as books in the NORMARC leader? |
| 07:50 | magnusenger | thd: i don't think they are supposed to? |
| 07:51 | thd | magnusenger: yes but my research shows that to be the prevalent case |
| 07:51 | magnusenger | thd: i think some ILSs might "forget" the leader in favour of our "very own" 019$b, which encodes format |
| 07:52 | thd | magnusenger: really, did I miss that in the NORMARC documentation? |
| 07:52 | magnusenger | thd: I have also seen that the largest public library encodes everything as books in the leader |
| 07:52 | hdl_laptop | chris: where is your proposal ? |
| 07:52 | thd | magnusenger: I only test very large catalogues |
| 07:52 | magnusenger | thd: nope, it's not in there. it's an extension made by Biblioteksentralen, the largest seller of catalogue records! |
| 07:53 | chris | hdl_laptop: linked from http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]elopment:roles3.4 |
| 07:53 | magnusenger | thd: They have their very own dialect of MARC, called BSMARC |
| 07:54 | hdl_laptop | chris quite sensible proposals |
| 07:54 | magnusenger | thd: it's defined in a PDF in Norwegian here: http://www.bibsent.no/pdf/bsma[…]gave_3_8_2008.pdf |
| 07:54 | chris | yeah they all are good i thought |
| 07:55 | hdl_laptop | I had already seen them. |
| 07:56 | What is quite hard is QA management. | |
| 07:56 | At the moment, It really is the main problem | |
| 07:56 | chris | yep, colin's proposal sounds good to me, and he is the first volunteer we have had in a while for it |
| 07:56 | hdl_laptop | We need automated webbased tests |
| 07:57 | thd | magnusenger: What is the relation between BSMARC and NORMARC? |
| 07:57 | hdl_laptop | And Colin has not mentioned taht |
| 07:57 | magnusenger | thd: i think BS is a subset of NOR, with at least the addition of 019$b |
| 07:58 | chris | yep, but i dont see that as a reason to reject the proposal, since he is the only one who has volunteered for qa manager in years |
| 07:58 | hdl_laptop | We also need some infrastructure in order to test with manipulating system preferences. |
| 07:58 | thd | magnusenger: Where is BSMARC typically used? |
| 07:58 | hdl_laptop | chris I havenot said I would "reject". |
| 07:59 | But it still is not enough. | |
| 07:59 | magnusenger | thd: public libraries, that buy their records from Biblioteksentralen ("The library central") |
| 08:00 | chris | hdl_laptop: i think its a fine start, and others are welcome to do their own proposals |
| 08:01 | if he actually achieves half of his goals, that is more than any other QA manager n the 10 years of koha has done | |
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| 08:05 | chris | hi francharb |
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| 08:05 | chris | and hi paul_p |
| 08:05 | paul_p | hi chris |
| 08:05 | francharb | hi chris |
| 08:05 | hdl_laptop | chris well, I am gratefull to Collin to throw his hat on that. |
| 08:06 | paul_p | ads about win7 on french TV those days (and a very poor one. Should I say 'ridiculous' ?) |
| 08:06 | hdl_laptop | But I also know it IS tough job. |
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| 08:06 | chris | hdl_laptop: yes, no one has managed to do it yet, so im very happy that he has volunteered |
| 08:07 | hdl_laptop | he'll need assistance (I think) And also has to write guidance on wiki for developers to be able to conform to his goals. |
| 08:08 | chris | yep |
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| 08:31 | kf | good morning |
| 08:32 | chris | hiya kf |
| 08:32 | kf | hi chris :) |
| 08:35 | Ropuch | Hello kf |
| 08:35 | kf | hi Ropuch |
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| 09:16 | paul_p | owen++ |
| 09:16 | (for his wonderful templating stuff) | |
| 09:16 | opac adv search really flexible with css | |
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| 12:09 | chris_n | g'morning |
| 12:10 | paul_p: ridiculous is the correct word (especially with M$) | |
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| 12:45 | chris_n | confusion already over which tar to download |
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| 12:47 | owen | Thanks for fielding that one chris_n |
| 12:47 | What a pain to have to deal with this mess. | |
| 12:48 | chris_n | I think that hdl_laptop had requested the bad one be pulled already |
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| 13:25 | magnusenger | chris_n: so he did: http://www.nabble.com/version-[…]16.html#a26057316 |
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| 13:54 | tajoli | hi |
| 13:55 | Is nahuel.angelinetti on-line ? | |
| 13:55 | nahuel | of course :) |
| 13:55 | tajoli | I have a question about your patch [PATCH] Fix normal opac view 26 Oct 2009 16:59 |
| 13:56 | Is it for 3.0.4 or for 3.2 ? | |
| 13:57 | nahuel | 3.04 |
| 13:57 | 3.0.4 at least | |
| 13:57 | perhaps on 3.2 I didn't tested | |
| 13:58 | tajoli | Ok, I insert it in my 3.04 installation |
| 13:58 | thank you | |
| 13:58 | nahuel | you're walcome |
| 13:59 | welcome | |
| 13:59 | :) | |
| 13:59 | kf | nahuel: I have a question too - you have a moment? need the bug number for my question |
| 13:59 | nahuel | of course :) |
| 13:59 | as hdl say, don't ask to ask, just ask :) | |
| 14:00 | kf | bug 3446 |
| 14:00 | hm munin is still missing :( | |
| 14:01 | nahuel | i'm munin :p |
| 14:01 | http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3446 | |
| 14:01 | kf | we have a general problems with notices, as we want to set fines and send notices on the same day according to calendar |
| 14:01 | and send different notices for 1st 2nd and 3rd notice | |
| 14:01 | do you still plan on adding this notice count? | |
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| 14:04 | kf | I think it would be a great help, not sure how to find out if a user already got a notice otherwise, message_queue is complicated when its not send by email to the patron but to the library |
| 14:04 | wizzyrea | munin was about yesterday |
| 14:04 | gr | |
| 14:05 | kf | nahuel? still there? :) |
| 14:05 | nahuel | still :) |
| 14:05 | 2s | |
| 14:06 | but kf, koha manages 3 levels of overdues | |
| 14:06 | kf | it does, but they are not in time with fines |
| 14:06 | nahuel | ah |
| 14:06 | kf | what we want to do is send notices after x opening days |
| 14:06 | nahuel | ah |
| 14:06 | kf | and set fines after x opening days |
| 14:07 | its not possible to have notices and fines on the same time line right now, and I think fines are just skipped, when there is a holiday, with fine interval of 7 days this is not a nice thing | |
| 14:08 | and my colleague will try to program something in perl to do it like that | |
| 14:08 | nahuel | you should send the patch :p |
| 14:08 | hehe | |
| 14:08 | kf | and we were discussing how and where to find the information needed and I found your bug :) |
| 14:08 | nahuel | As I know, we have no plan to do this |
| 14:08 | kf | when we get it working we will |
| 14:08 | nahuel | no one of our client asked it |
| 14:08 | kf | ah ok |
| 14:09 | nahuel | hmmm else for you patch |
| 14:09 | Yes you can add a column to the issue table | |
| 14:09 | kf | you think this would get added to koha? |
| 14:09 | nahuel | but this kind of modification should be only for 3.2 |
| 14:09 | yes of course! | |
| 14:09 | all great ideas are welcome | |
| 14:09 | 3.2 or 3.4 | |
| 14:09 | because 3.2 will be released soon | |
| 14:10 | kf | I think it will be 3.4, as we are in feature freeze now |
| 14:10 | but we dont want to have local customization in our koha (painful experiences with our old system) | |
| 14:11 | so we will try to get everything into koha that we do :) | |
| 14:11 | nahuel | héhé cool |
| 14:11 | And a really great news for 3.4 | |
| 14:12 | We will migrate to template toolkit ! | |
| 14:12 | kf | its just a plan right now, but we need to get it working somehow |
| 14:12 | nahuel | Html template pro is a big pain |
| 14:12 | kf | I dont know if this is great news - will it mean rewriting all templates? |
| 14:12 | nahuel | Yes it mean rewriting all templates, but it means have more feature |
| 14:12 | kf | I have no experience with template toolkit and did only very small template changes so far |
| 14:12 | nahuel | lesser translation problems |
| 14:12 | etc... | |
| 14:12 | kf | lesser translation problems is a plus .) |
| 14:13 | nahuel | Template::Toolkit is really similar as django templates, or smarty |
| 14:13 | kf | always have a list with typos and things to correct on my desk |
| 14:14 | in fact I know near to nothing about templating - but willing to learn | |
| 14:15 | ok, but about 3446 - you will not add it but think its a good idea - right? :) so I will talk to my colleague if we are able to make a change like that | |
| 14:16 | nahuel | It's a good idea :) |
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| 14:17 | kf | thx for your time nahuel |
| 14:17 | nahuel | like tajoli, you're welcome |
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| 14:58 | owen | Is this correct? "The z3950search will NOT work until your system administrator has activated the z3950 client daemon on your server. The daemon is in KohaDirectory/script/z3950daemon" |
| 14:58 | I don't seem to have a /script/ directory | |
| 15:01 | slef | that's 2.x |
| 15:01 | maybe even only 2.0 and early 2.2 | |
| 15:02 | where did you spot that? | |
| 15:02 | owen | http://koha.org/documentation/[…]rs/z39.50-servers |
| 15:02 | and http://koha.org/documentation/[…]rs/z39.50-servers | |
| 15:02 | slef | hrm, a bug for nengard |
| 15:02 | I think we can't edit that? | |
| 15:02 | would welcome comments on bug 3732 | |
| 15:02 | is the bot not back? | |
| 15:03 | owen | Left again last night I think |
| 15:03 | slef | anyone got its config backed up? I miss it. |
| 15:03 | http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3732 field lengths and multi-line boxes | |
| 15:03 | owen | gmcharlt said he might host it himself if we continued to have problems with it |
| 15:04 | slef | ok, but having the config backed up would be good, so whoever wanted to could step in easily to cover future problems |
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| 15:05 | * owen | wonders why he didn't get an email from the bugzilla list about bug 3732 |
| 15:05 | slef | only just created it |
| 15:05 | owen | Oh, I misread the date |
| 15:07 | slef: What is the correct procedure for getting the z3950 daemon running? | |
| 15:08 | Bar | Has anyone ever seen a problem with Patron searching where a search term, with many hits, only displays the first hit? e.g surname McCarthy has 75 Patrons but the results only show one? |
| 15:11 | wizzyrea | we've had the opposite problem, where say, you type in heather heath and you get all of the heathers and all of the heaths, but heather heath is not on the first 20 results pages |
| 15:12 | Bar | Strange. Just reading through the search.pl file now to see if there is anything worth tweaking in there |
| 15:13 | schuster | I was reading the threads from earlier - and Chris talks about the items NOT coming out of the MARC for 3.2 is that still the case? I was hopefull that it would resolve some of our slow checkouts when a teacher has 50 items and they are checking out another book that every teacher is getting. |
| 15:14 | Sometimes it takes over a minute for that one transaction to checkout that book. | |
| 15:14 | owen | I think that must be fore 3.4? |
| 15:14 | schuster | hmmm... It used to be for 3.2 so that changed someplace drat. |
| 15:14 | owen | I don't know schuster, I could be wrong. |
| 15:15 | No, looking at chris's RM proposal, he mentions getting XML out of circulation code. | |
| 15:15 | kf | I think gmcharlt said he wanted to to this, perhaps a time problem? |
| 15:15 | slef | owen: sorry, what z3950 daemon? |
| 15:15 | schuster | again phewie. |
| 15:15 | wizzyrea | schuster: maybe that's not part of our 3.2? |
| 15:16 | chris | OMG |
| 15:16 | wizzyrea | OMG indeed |
| 15:16 | you're awake? | |
| 15:16 | owen | chris, go back to bed it's not worth it! |
| 15:16 | slef | chris! what's 3.0.x-fixes on gitorious for and can I pollute it? ;-) |
| 15:16 | * wizzyrea | hypnotizes Chris... you are getting very sleepy... |
| 15:17 | wizzyrea | your eyes are getting heavy |
| 15:17 | your pillow is calling your name | |
| 15:17 | chris | heheh |
| 15:17 | wizzyrea | Chrisssssss.... sleeeep... |
| 15:17 | :) | |
| 15:18 | schuster | chris - so the bug wrangler would watch the git and communicate with the release manager or would the release manager contact the bug wrangler when something has been submitted etc??? |
| 15:18 | owen | schuster: Sorry, chris isn't allowed to talk he has to go to bed |
| 15:18 | slef | owen: are you talking about the 2.x era z3950 client daemon or the 3.x era koha-zebra daemon? |
| 15:19 | schuster | ;) |
| 15:19 | owen | slef: I'm just trying to get my z39.50 searches working :) |
| 15:19 | slef | owen: 3.x doesn't need a z3950 daemon for z3950 searching. |
| 15:19 | owen | slef: It's my first try managing my own install |
| 15:19 | slef | owen: do you know if the firewall is OK? |
| 15:20 | owen | slef: No, I'm not sure about that. What should I look for? |
| 15:20 | slef | owen: could try a search with yaz-client from a ssh command-line, but remember to auth before you open. |
| 15:20 | looking for info | |
| 15:21 | nothing obvious on wiki, checking coop | |
| 15:22 | schuster | Make sure your firewall allows the out going and incoming from the appropriate ports. I can't use Z39.50 searching from our server because we only allow traffic on ports 80 and 8080 |
| 15:22 | owen | Heh, second Google result for "yaz client command line" is from kete.net.nz |
| 15:22 | kf | owen: when you get no results with your z39.50 maybe the port is missing in the firewall |
| 15:23 | slef | owen: |
| 15:23 | yaz-client | |
| 15:23 | auth username password (if you have them) | |
| 15:23 | open server.name.domain:port | |
| 15:23 | base databasename | |
| 15:23 | f test | |
| 15:24 | then s to show records, one at a time, and q to quit | |
| 15:26 | owen | Thanks slef. All that worked perfectly: results came up fine. |
| 15:27 | slef | ok, so what doesn't work? |
| 15:29 | owen | Well, now I have to apologize for the false alarm: it seems z39.50 searches from within Koha *are* working... |
| 15:29 | Did I just pick all the wrong things to search for at first? :( | |
| 15:29 | slef | heh, maybe... or maybe it was a heisenbug |
| 15:29 | http://foldoc.org/heisenbug | |
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| 15:39 | chris_n | hehe |
| 15:40 | * chris_n | thinks that the uncertainty principle applies well to some sorts of food.... they alter their composition when you go to taste them |
| 15:46 | wizzyrea | lol |
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| 16:01 | jdavidb | Howdy, folks. |
| 16:02 | wizzyrea | hey jdavidb |
| 16:03 | kf | hi jdavidb |
| 16:05 | jdavidb | :D How's things, Liz? |
| 16:06 | Hi, kf! | |
| 16:06 | wizzyrea | things are good :) how's your trip? |
| 16:07 | jdavidb | owen++ #RT: @oleonard Bring it. |
| 16:07 | chris_n | ehlo jdavidb |
| 16:08 | jdavidb | So far so good. this cgi thing is really laggy. jwagner is teaching INCOLSA about jquery. :) |
| 16:08 | schuster | Ah word is out INCOLSA... I've heard rumors. |
| 16:08 | owen still around? | |
| 16:08 | owen | yes |
| 16:09 | schuster | Did you have a chance to think about my multi-pac setup and those predefined searches we were talking about last week? |
| 16:09 | jdavidb | yes, schuster...they're our customer. Great folks. |
| 16:10 | owen | Sorry schuster no, it got buried. |
| 16:10 | schuster | I figured, just thought I'd ask thanks for the update! |
| 16:10 | no problem owne | |
| 16:10 | owen sorry. | |
| 16:11 | jdavidb | I'm counting the number of time owen's name gets dropped in this whole templates/jquery discussion jwagner is doing. |
| 16:12 | wizzyrea | well he is a wizard |
| 16:12 | owen | Is she handing out my phone # and home address? I'll set an extra place or two at the table. |
| 16:14 | My wife would love that: a dinner party where we only discussed jquery and html ;) | |
| 16:14 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 16:15 | jdavidb | No, she hasn't done that.. yet. |
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| 16:21 | kf | owen is really great, you can change things everywhere really easily. and Im falling in love with jquery |
| 16:22 | I added a screen keyboard for hebrew to our catalog today, using only sysprefs, a famfamfam icon, javascript/jquery, html and css :) | |
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| 16:39 | kf | time to go home - bye #koha |
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| 16:49 | ccurry | Hello, all. |
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| 16:53 | ccurry | I'm looking for a way to use koha to run a global update on a particular MARC field. Is this possible? I see that the MARC records are stored as a blob in the biblioitems table, so I can't use MySQL queries to edit the data. The ILS we're migrating from had an issue with the 008 field being stored in the wrong place in the database and it won't export, so we need to splice this information into |
| 16:53 | the records. I'm trying to determine the best place to do this. The old ILS runs on MSSQL, which I have no experience with, so I was hoping to make the change once the data is in koha. | |
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| 17:07 | slef | ccurry: Is it a Blob or a text field? |
| 17:08 | ccurry | longblob, according to MySQL |
| 17:19 | I must be off; lunch calls me, but if anyone has a tip for me please email it to ccurryamphilsoc.org? Thanks. |
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| 17:23 | jdavidb | Howdy again. |
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| 17:30 | * mdhafen | is looking for someone with more Perl experience than he has. |
| 17:30 | mdhafen | I'm trying to squash a log message cause by 'use warnings' |
| 17:32 | Can anyone spot the uninitialized variable in this bit of code? foreach ( keys %$attribs ) { exists $$attribs{ $_ } && $$attribs{ $_ } =~ s/\s*$//; } | |
| 17:33 | not variable, the log message says uninitialized value. Sorry about that. | |
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| 17:37 | mdhafen | anyone... anyone... |
| 17:38 | chris | it will be $$attribs{ $_ } |
| 17:39 | mdhafen | ok, but doesn't the exists() check take care of that? |
| 17:39 | chris | nope |
| 17:39 | that checks if it exists, not if it has a value | |
| 17:39 | so the key exists | |
| 17:39 | but the value associated with that key in the hash doesnt | |
| 17:39 | mdhafen | ah, now I see the difference. |
| 17:40 | chris | also i hate the implicit variable |
| 17:40 | fwiw :-) | |
| 17:40 | mdhafen | :) You will probably never see this code in production, so don't worry about it ;) |
| 17:40 | chris | :) |
| 17:41 | and even after 2.5 hours more sleep my OMG from before still stands wizzyrea :) | |
| 17:51 | slef: you about? | |
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| 17:55 | slef | chris: intermittently. |
| 17:55 | chris: did you see me ask what is gitorious 3.0.x-fixes for? | |
| 17:55 | chris | the 3.0.x-fixes was the branch hdl and i were using to cherry-pick stuff from master to 3.0.x |
| 17:55 | it then was merged over to 3.0.x | |
| 17:56 | slef | so dormant branch now? Should I use it or branch anew? |
| 17:56 | chris | so yep, you could rebase it, and use it to bring over your fixes |
| 17:56 | slef | rebase or pull? |
| 17:56 | chris | choice is yours |
| 17:57 | slef | ok ta |
| 17:57 | did you want me for something else? | |
| 17:57 | chris | nope that was it |
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| 18:00 | owen | Who could have guessed download.koha.org was only for historical purposes? |
| 18:01 | slef | oh no |
| 18:01 | they didn't write that? | |
| 18:02 | owen | "download.koha.org is a site that LibLime created to provide a historical archive of Koha releases done to date" |
| 18:02 | says Josh | |
| 18:02 | chris | pompous_asses-- |
| 18:02 | PEI_schools++ | |
| 18:04 | slef | PEI? |
| 18:05 | chris | Prince Edward Island |
| 18:05 | slef | Pei may refer to:;Places: Prince Edward Island, a province of Canada, Pei, Tibet, a town in Tibet, Pei County, a county in Xuzhou, Jiangsu, China |
| 18:05 | chris | http://www.theguardian.pe.ca/i[…]?sid=297278&sc=98 |
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| 18:06 | chris | ccurry: re your question earlier |
| 18:07 | slef | chris: http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]oha&nick=kados&q="download.koha.org" returns invalid XML |
| 18:07 | chris | what format does your data come out of your old system as? |
| 18:07 | ccurry | .mrc |
| 18:07 | chris | in that case i would use MarcEdit |
| 18:07 | to do your changes | |
| 18:07 | then import that fixed file to koha | |
| 18:08 | slef: take it up with moritz lenz :) | |
| 18:09 | or i could fix it and send him a patch i guess :) thanks for the heads up | |
| 18:09 | slef | let me know where... oh OK |
| 18:12 | chris | ccurry: marcedit has some great bulk editing features |
| 18:13 | ccurry | chris: Thanks. I've been trying to think of a way to do this with MarcEdit, but I'm not sure it's is sophisticated enough to handle what we need to do. We'd have to add different data in the 008 fields based on some sort of unique id and I haven't yet found a tool in MarcEdit that does this. I've been playing around with the scriptwizard to see if I could use it, but I haven't figured it... |
| 18:13 | ...out yet (and it only works for tab delimited files?). | |
| 18:13 | chris: can you recommend a particular tool/feature that would be suited to this type of operation? | |
| 18:13 | chris | hmmm |
| 18:14 | well one way is to use marcedit to convert your marc to text | |
| 18:14 | (it can roundtrip it) | |
| 18:14 | then use sed, or a perl script to do your changes, and then convert back to marc | |
| 18:15 | * chris | has had to resort to that before |
| 18:15 | chris | but now i have to go feed my son breakfast |
| 18:16 | he is yelling "Get some nuts!!!" which is toddler speak for i want peanut butter toast | |
| 18:16 | bbiab | |
| 18:16 | ccurry | chris: thanks. I'll look into it. |
| 18:16 | good luck with the peanut butter toast. | |
| 18:16 | owen | lol, "Get some nuts!!!" |
| 18:17 | schuster | One word of caution is that when I have exported my MARC database from Koha in the authoritized fields it was putting a number, I suspect the authority number for that heading so they don't export cleanly. I have not tried to reload them to see what it does. |
| 18:17 | Some people gave me a couple of things to try, but it dropped to the bottom of my list of things to do. | |
| 18:22 | chris | owen: i blame snickers adverts |
| 18:22 | toast is in the toaster | |
| 18:33 | slef | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]08-08-23#i_229850 and http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]08-06-24#i_220974 |
| 18:34 | wizzyrea | omg get some nuts |
| 18:36 | chris | slef: wanna post those to the thread? :) |
| 18:37 | wizzyrea | well crap |
| 18:37 | oh, that will go over well | |
| 18:37 | he loves me :P | |
| 18:37 | <sarcasm> | |
| 18:38 | chris | heh |
| 18:38 | peanut butter toast and blues clues, my work here is done | |
| 18:39 | * wizzyrea | envisions chris dusting off his crumby hands |
| 18:39 | chris | heh |
| 18:39 | wizzyrea | hehe sorry |
| 18:39 | slef | chris: I'm pondering http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]nuary/012900.html |
| 18:40 | chris | oh yeah there was an alpha, a beta, an rc1 |
| 18:40 | none of which are on download.koha.org | |
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| 18:41 | chris | it actually was the bullying of HDL that i objected, i expect him to dissemble these days |
| 18:50 | schuster | some times you feel like a nut, sometimes you dont MOUNDS! |
| 18:50 | Almond Joy... | |
| 18:55 | chris | ok off to work, bbl |
| 19:01 | slef | chris: alpha and beta just appeared |
| 19:01 | is a release candidate a release? go ask #philosophy | |
| 19:02 | wizzyrea | ugh... you know what's funny |
| 19:03 | it used to be that his clients got mad at him for spending too much time with the community | |
| 19:03 | now I'm mad because he's spending too much time fighting with the community | |
| 19:04 | owen | At least we're /told/ his clients got mad at him for spending time with the community |
| 19:04 | wizzyrea | I don't have a problem with him spending (his staff's) time helping the community, at all |
| 19:04 | schuster | Well when we had problems that they wouldn't address or logs that people wouldn't look at that did make me a little perturbed. |
| 19:04 | wizzyrea | I do take issue with him fighting and being petty re: the community |
| 19:08 | owen | Welcome, Koha Express customers, to the community your vendor doesn't believe in. :( |
| 19:10 | brendan | afternoon everyone |
| 19:10 | sekjal | afternoon, brendan |
| 19:10 | schuster | was there a new post someplace that I missed? |
| 19:11 | owen | schuster: I'm just reading the "Question about Migration of data" post to the Koha list |
| 19:11 | "We just purchased Koha Express..." | |
| 19:17 | schuster | OK I usually read that in digest the next day... |
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| 19:19 | owen | Not that I don't think they should be coming to the community for help, I just wish we could get some respect from the vendor that's sending them to us. |
| 19:20 | brendan | owen++ |
| 19:23 | slef | erm, remind me: what's "Koha Express"? LibLime's cloud-hosted one? |
| 19:24 | owen | It's their "turnkey" no-frills, no services version. |
| 19:24 | slef | is it a released version? |
| 19:24 | owen | "based on the official Koha Community software releases" |
| 19:25 | Not exactly sure what that means, but I'm assuming it's not LEK. | |
| 19:25 | * slef | browses www.liblime.com |
| 19:25 | sekjal | I think Koha Express is a no-Zebra installation of Koha 3.0.2 |
| 19:25 | slef | "based on" - who's going to ask for the version number? |
| 19:25 | sekjal | http://www.liblime.com/products/koha |
| 19:26 | owen | sekjal: Have you heard something about no-Zebra? I don't see it in the description. |
| 19:27 | slef | $299 per year? If that's no-Zebra, it compares badly with our one-off fee. |
| 19:28 | sekjal | I am interpretting "less than 75,000 records" to mean that, since "Koha Community" is billed at having support for tens of millions of records. |
| 19:28 | I recall that kind of description of Zebra when it was introduced, so I'm connecting dots | |
| 19:28 | perhaps improperly | |
| 19:29 | owen | sekjal: Makes sense though. |
| 19:29 | slef: You have an offering with a one-off fee? | |
| 19:30 | sekjal | sad that "Koha Express" and "Koha Community" are two releases behind; there are lots of good things since 3.0.2 |
| 19:31 | slef | owen: yes, two of them, but we're in a state of flux, so http://www.software.coop/products/koha isn't up to date until at least this week's members meeting. |
| 19:31 | owen: officially, we're still quoting case-by-case. In practice, I'm working from a price list. | |
| 19:32 | owen: I think the members are getting bored of my quote approval requests, so it should get approved as a list price soon ;-) | |
| 19:33 | owen | Interesting, slef--Do you have customers with existing hosting service who ask you to install Koha there for them? |
| 19:34 | slef | owen: usually, yes. |
| 19:35 | owen: owning or renting their own servers is the most common among our customers. | |
| 19:35 | owen | So not your typical mass-market web hosts. |
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| 19:35 | richard | hi |
| 19:36 | owen | I wonder how high-end you have to get before you have the kind of privileges on a commercial web host required to install Koha. |
| 19:36 | slef | virtual server |
| 19:36 | it can be done with ssh but it's not easy | |
| 19:44 | well, that depends... koha with zebra I mean | |
| 19:44 | I think we've installed noZebra with only FTP and a web control panel, but that's really bad (and so more expensive) | |
| 19:46 | chris | back |
| 19:46 | slef: interesting .. revisionist history going on eh | |
| 19:47 | someone reading the irc logs i wonder | |
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| 19:55 | chris | nice reply to laurie slef |
| 19:58 | wizzyrea | I hear it's not all too difficult to do to do it on amazon ec2 |
| 19:58 | if you've done it on a virtualbox, you can do it on ec2 | |
| 19:58 | chris | yeah, its easy peasy |
| 19:58 | you have an image | |
| 19:59 | that is an installed, empty koha, and switch that on | |
| 19:59 | magnusenger | slef: i have been wondering about that recently - is it fair to say that you need root/sudo privileges to install Koha (w/Zebra)? |
| 19:59 | chris | done |
| 19:59 | magnusenger | ec2 behaves as any server that you have root access to |
| 19:59 | no special magic once you have a instance up and running | |
| 20:00 | wizzyrea | I wonder how hard it would be to get a koha image made available to ec3 |
| 20:00 | ec2* | |
| 20:00 | magnusenger | but you have to plan for images going down, they are not regarded as persistent |
| 20:00 | wizzyrea | i know people do that sort of thing |
| 20:00 | chris | not hard at all wizzy |
| 20:00 | liblime will have them for doing their hosting | |
| 20:00 | wizzyrea | I guess I meant listed with amazon as one of their default options |
| 20:00 | magnusenger | wizzyrea: yeah, theres lots of docs on how to create images for ec2 |
| 20:01 | chris | oh yeah, i think thats just fill in a form :) |
| 20:01 | wizzyrea | well crikey |
| 20:01 | magnusenger | but the thing is, you don't want to run your koha on ec2 without thinking a lot about backup and what happens when your instance dies |
| 20:02 | chris | yeah, that goes for any thing in the cloud |
| 20:02 | magnusenger | but for testing etc it would be super-cool to have an image that you could fire up |
| 20:02 | wizzyrea | well, you'd have to think about that anyway |
| 20:02 | magnusenger | it would be like vmware or virtualbox without any installation |
| 20:03 | wizzyrea | right |
| 20:03 | magnusenger | and only cost 10 cents pr hour for testing |
| 20:03 | wizzyrea | obviously people do all kinds of fancy things on ec2 |
| 20:03 | twitter, for example | |
| 20:03 | magnusenger | chris: yeah, but amazon seem very keen to point out that their instances are "brittle" |
| 20:03 | owen | What does that mean in practical terms? |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea | and you could contend that in practical terms, the library catalog is a little less 24/7 than twitter :P |
| 20:04 | magnusenger | owen: not quite sure, i have had an instance running for well over a year, but they say they can go away at any time... |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea | well that makes me nervous about my LL koha install... |
| 20:05 | since it runs on ec2 | |
| 20:05 | 2, actually | |
| 20:05 | magnusenger | but they probably have some kind of backup/failover-system in place |
| 20:05 | owen | magnusenger: Do you use it for something in production or for testing? |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | one would hope so |
| 20:05 | magnusenger | i think ec2 is great if you need a lot of power, several servers, failover etc |
| 20:06 | if you only need one server with ordinary backup-routines i don't think it's that great | |
| 20:07 | owen: well i have an instance with koha that is used for testing/training by an african university: http://koha.collib.info/ | |
| 20:08 | owen | magnusenger: what are the costs like, if I may ask? |
| 20:09 | magnusenger | owen: the smallest instance running linux in the us is 10 cents pr hour: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/#pricing |
| 20:10 | * owen | isn't sure what the per-hour pricing is all about |
| 20:10 | owen | Is that literally how much time someone is interacting with the system? |
| 20:11 | magnusenger | nope, you get an instance running and then you pay for the number hours it runs |
| 20:11 | no matter if its idle all the time or serving pages at full speed | |
| 20:11 | when you shut it down you stop paying | |
| 20:11 | owen | I see, so the idea is you can set something up for as little time as you want |
| 20:12 | magnusenger | so that's great for testing, or if you need to fire up lots of instances to meet spikes in demand |
| 20:12 | yes, if you run an instance for 59 minutes you just pay the $0.10 | |
| 20:13 | auto scaling and load balancing are probably some of ec2 greatest strengths | |
| 20:14 | owen | So that doesn't translate to an inexpensive monthly charge, and would be overkill for something that didn't need scaling |
| 20:14 | chris | also if you are doing somethign like LL |
| 20:15 | where for $299 you run 3 commands | |
| 20:15 | its pretty sweet | |
| 20:15 | wtf | |
| 20:15 | LibLime staff have also held several official positions in the community historically, including:Release Manager, v. 3.0, 3.2; Translation Manager, v. 3.0; Documentation Manager, v. 3.0 and 3.2 | |
| 20:16 | * chris | should stop looking at that site |
| 20:16 | magnusenger | owen: yes, that's pretty much my conclusion! ;-) |
| 20:17 | wizzyrea | you mean CPU hours, right? |
| 20:17 | slef | magnusenger: you don't need root/sudo, but it makes life a lot easier. |
| 20:17 | brendan | rackspace has a really nice small cloud-server -- for 1.5 cents an hour |
| 20:17 | slef | magnusenger: zebra and even mysql don't use privileged (root-requiring) ports by default. |
| 20:18 | brendan | small though 10gb harddrive |
| 20:18 | magnusenger | slef: ok, but wouldnt you need it in order to install zebra and its deps? |
| 20:18 | slef | magnusenger: not if you install to $HOME. |
| 20:19 | magnusenger | brendan: you'd fit quite a lot of koha in 10gb, though? ;-) |
| 20:19 | brendan | :) |
| 20:19 | slef | maybe you need to be as old a sysadmin as me and have experienced really locked-down university systems |
| 20:19 | magnusenger | slef: ah, ok, havn't thought about that |
| 20:19 | slef: ;-) | |
| 20:20 | slef | off-topic, is that windows 7 smb 2 critical flaw still unpatched? |
| 20:20 | I've a blog post going out in the morning using it as an example of why openness is essential. | |
| 20:21 | http://fsfe.org/news/2009/news[…]091019-01.en.html in case you've not seen it yet | |
| 20:22 | I also drive-by flame the BBC, but hey ho | |
| 20:35 | owen | See you in 16 hours, everyone! |
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| 20:59 | chris | dang missed nate |
| 21:01 | brendan | ah he'll be back |
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| 21:01 | chris | cool |
| 21:02 | chris_n2 | be back after a win32 weekly reboot :-P |
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| 21:12 | chris_n2 | back |
| 21:12 | brendan | wb chris_n2 |
| 21:12 | chris_n2 | win32-- |
| 21:13 | chris | yeah, dunno why anyone uses it :-) |
| 21:14 | chris_n2 | video processing software |
| 21:14 | I have not found the equivalent in FOSS yet | |
| 21:15 | chris | ahhh |
| 21:15 | schuster left #koha | |
| 21:15 | chris_n2 | cinelerra is not quite usable for me |
| 21:17 | chris | ARGH!! |
| 21:17 | chris_n2 | sup? |
| 21:18 | rm -fr from root? | |
| 21:18 | chris | joshua having another crack at hdl |
| 21:18 | bullies-- | |
| 21:18 | * chris_n2 | heads to the inbox |
| 21:19 | * chris | hopes someone else responds so i dont have to |
| 21:19 | sekjal | hmmm, LibLime must have finished all the coding for LEK, since he has all this time to respond to emails all of a sudden |
| 21:19 | I know they've been very busy | |
| 21:19 | chris | :) |
| 21:20 | chris_n2 | hehe |
| 21:20 | chris | he has a funny definition of working fine so far |
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| 21:20 | chris | and hdl did have access to the server up until very recently |
| 21:21 | sekjal | chris: well, it's not impacting his customers, so everything must be peachy |
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| 21:21 | chris | sekjal: yeah |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | it's impacting me, I still don't have my sandbox. |
| 21:22 | chris | i suspect there is an element of baiting, to try and get an ill thought out response |
| 21:22 | so the martyr card can come out again | |
| 21:22 | brendan | sekjal -- did you migrate from unicorn? |
| 21:22 | wizzyrea | that's actually a very good point. it may be better to just let it die. |
| 21:22 | sekjal | brendan: Millennium |
| 21:22 | brendan | ok :) |
| 21:23 | chris | wizzyrea: yep ive said my piece, joshua knows he has made the same mistakes with releases in the past that hdl has, he and i know that, that's good enough for me |
| 21:24 | sekjal | alright, all, time for my train. good day/evening/night to you! |
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| 21:33 | hdl_laptop | hi |
| 21:34 | chris | hey hdl_laptop :) |
| 21:35 | hdl_laptop | hi chris. |
| 21:35 | Seems Joshua got out at last. | |
| 21:35 | chris | yep |
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| 21:38 | hdl_laptop | Not really pleased about his wording, and he never commented about new release numbers in the past. |
| 21:38 | But well. | |
| 21:38 | anyway | |
| 21:39 | chris | yeah i think ignore it now |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | or send it off list |
| 21:39 | actually | |
| 21:40 | write an angry email, read it, and then delete it. | |
| 21:40 | :) | |
| 21:40 | that's what I always do | |
| 21:40 | chris | :) |
| 21:40 | hdl_laptop | I am not angry. |
| 21:40 | Just disappointed we have come to such relationships. | |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | yea, it does seem sad |
| 21:41 | (I didn't mean to imply that you were especially angry... it could be a sad/disappointed email too) | |
| 21:41 | :) | |
| 21:41 | hdl_laptop | hehe wizzyrea ;) |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | or this lol: http://rulesformyunbornson.tum[…]critic-in-writing |
| 21:44 | that is a funny site | |
| 21:44 | chris_n2 | off-brand crayons-- |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea: lol | |
| 21:45 | * chris_n2 | goes back to coloring w/his 3 year old |
| 21:46 | chris | :) |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | lucky kid! I want to color! |
| 21:52 | chris | roflmao |
| 21:54 | Ropuch | ;> |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | GET SOME NUTS!! |
| 21:57 | chris | hehe |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | (sorry. it's almost quitting time for me, I get a bit slap happy) |
| 21:58 | chris | the other thing he says that makes me laugh is |
| 21:58 | "what's going on?" | |
| 21:58 | he just walks into a room and opens with that | |
| 22:01 | brendan | from wizzyrea's site that she forwarded |
| 22:01 | Enough already. Learn the laws of cricket. | |
| 22:01 | chris | yep, cricket doesnt have rules, it has laws |
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| 22:06 | thd is now known as thd-away | |
| 22:08 | chris | hiya pianohackr|work |
| 22:08 | pianohackr|work | hi chris |
| 22:08 | chris | hows the hand healing? |
| 22:11 | pianohackr|work | fairly well, actually, I'm taking the splint off halloween |
| 22:12 | chris | excellent |
| 22:12 | http://jenemoore.wordpress.com[…]0/27/rr-koha-doc/ | |
| 22:12 | pianohackr|work | how's your day going? |
| 22:13 | chris | not too bad at all, getting quite a lot done |
| 22:20 | magnusenger | ...and so to bed! |
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| 22:26 | rhcl | Not trying to be self-deprecating here, but I have a question stemming from <apparently> my ignorance... |
| 22:26 | In an OPAC (or the ILS) itself, and after checking a number of library web sites... | |
| 22:26 | it seems that you can't search for, for example... | |
| 22:27 | something with the criteria: | |
| 22:27 | DVD, sci-fi, rated R, release 2003-2007, actor James Bond etc | |
| 22:27 | why not? | |
| 22:28 | pianohackr|work | the first two would likely be handled by collection codes |
| 22:28 | rating could be done through a range, which koha supports but doesn't expose very well | |
| 22:28 | release date, rather | |
| 22:29 | rhcl | are ratings an official "field"? |
| 22:29 | pianohackr|work | rating and actor would be trickier, as the necessary marc fields aren't as structured |
| 22:29 | yes, its one of the 500s | |
| 22:29 | cast too | |
| 22:29 | chris | if you had set up authorised values for ratings |
| 22:29 | rhcl | 521 my TS supervisor says |
| 22:30 | chris | it would be easier |
| 22:32 | chris_n2 | owen++ # for helping individuals see the obvious when they have their eyes closed |
| 22:32 | rhcl | So if the rating is an established field, and the rating was originally entered by the cataloger, then presumably the OPAC search could be customized to pull on it. |
| 22:32 | pianohackr|work | rhcl: yup |
| 22:34 | chris | you may have to tweek your record.abs file to make zebra index it |
| 22:34 | rhcl | So I wonder how the IMDB advanced search works? |
| 22:34 | chris | not using marc :) |
| 22:35 | pianohackr|work | i would certainly hope! |
| 22:35 | rhcl | Apparently our Sirsi Workflows can pull the 521 field, but not the OPAC. |
| 22:50 | Nate | hiya all! |
| 22:50 | chris_n2 | howdy Nate |
| 22:50 | Nate | just got back from the gym and i am stiiinky! |
| 22:50 | chris | heya Nate |
| 22:50 | lucky text doesnt carry smell :) | |
| 22:50 | Nate | hey chris_n2 and chris! |
| 22:51 | got that right | |
| 22:51 | chris_n2 | heh |
| 22:51 | Nate | hey chris is it warm by you now? |
| 22:51 | brendan | wb Nate |
| 22:52 | Nate | hey bren |
| 22:52 | chris | not too bad, about 13 celsius, warming up |
| 22:55 | hdl_laptop | chris do you know any solution to output EOL caracter correctly for Windows and Linux with calling a platform parameter ? |
| 22:56 | chris | so to figure out what platform its running on, and do a \r or a \n depending? |
| 22:57 | hdl_laptop | some scripts are providing reports for user, but if we use server \n then it won't work on Windows, and if we use \r\n all the time, it won't be cool for Linux ;) |
| 22:57 | chris | yeah |
| 22:58 | hdl_laptop | So I wanted to find a package which would cope with that cleanly |
| 22:58 | package or function | |
| 22:58 | chris | scripts are being run as cgi? |
| 22:58 | cos the trick will be finding out the platform of the caller | |
| 22:58 | if so | |
| 22:59 | hdl_laptop | oh you're right, for cronjobs, that would not be efficient. |
| 23:00 | Since there are no way to know for which platform you want to print things, apart from providing a script parameter | |
| 23:01 | chris | exactly |
| 23:03 | hdl_laptop | But how do PERL configure those "magic" variables such as $" $/ |
| 23:03 | chris | pass |
| 23:03 | pianohackr|work | i'd imagine by whatever os it's compiled for, no? |
| 23:05 | hdl_laptop | could be, but it surely has a definition of PLATFORM and variables somewhere then. |
| 23:05 | pianohackr|work | maybe just a config.h sort of thing |
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| 23:06 | hdl_laptop | pianohackr|work: Do you think then that a script designed on a Linux Box cannot output Windows elements ? |
| 23:07 | unless it is executed on a windows box ? | |
| 23:07 | pianohackr|work | well, you could set the necessary special variables |
| 23:07 | hdl_laptop | This would be a funny way to build a "cross-platform" language imho |
| 23:07 | pianohackr|work | I think perl generally assumes the output will be used on the same platform its being run on |
| 23:08 | chilts | you might want this: $OUTPUT_RECORD_SEPARATOR |
| 23:08 | or $\ | |
| 23:08 | pianohackr|work | hello, chilts |
| 23:08 | chilts | it's undefined by default, but if you set it it'll happen each time there is a newline (I think) |
| 23:08 | hi pianohackr|work | |
| 23:08 | but not sure how to check for an OS | |
| 23:08 | maybe this: http://search.cpan.org/~burak/[…]ib/Sys/Info/OS.pm | |
| 23:08 | if $os->is_linux | |
| 23:09 | etc | |
| 23:09 | pianohackr|work | it's going to be nasty however you do it, since the report code is essentially copy-and-paste |
| 23:10 | chilts | usually I'd just let Perl do it's thing ... how are the reports output? HTML or otherwise? |
| 23:11 | pianohackr|work | chilts: generally cgi or on-filesystem reports from cronjobs, yes |
| 23:12 | hdl_laptop | hi chilts |
| 23:12 | chilts | hi hdl_laptop |
| 23:12 | pianohackr|work: ah, so the crons email the reports or just save them somewhere for download? | |
| 23:13 | pianohackr|work | chilts: yup |
| 23:13 | chilts | and what format are they? text? |
| 23:13 | html? | |
| 23:13 | pianohackr|work | varies, but almost always text or csv |
| 23:13 | chilts | ah, ok, hence the problem :( |
| 23:14 | pianohackr|work | exactly |
| 23:14 | enough ^Ms for the whole family | |
| 23:14 | chilts | if they are downloadable, there could be an option "Download as CSV (Windows|Mac|Unix)" ?? |
| 23:14 | each clickable | |
| 23:14 | that makes it easier | |
| 23:15 | pianohackr|work | something along those lines |
| 23:15 | chilts | oh wait, I guess this is for Koha running on Windows? |
| 23:15 | hdl_laptop | No. |
| 23:15 | clients under windows, or Mac but server under Linux | |
| 23:15 | chilts | ah, I think let them choose then :) |
| 23:16 | otherwise you'll have to go 'if the thing doing the download is windows, then do this' ... which is a pain | |
| 23:16 | chris | and error prone |
| 23:17 | my browser pretends to be windows sometimes to get round stupid websites :) | |
| 23:17 | chilts | so yeah, if you have two links, Windows|Linux, run the same script with 'format=(windoze|linux)' which sets the right thing :) |
| 23:17 | or something | |
| 23:18 | chris | you could have a handler which serves the file |
| 23:18 | hdl_laptop | could be better to have a script that does post processing on reports rather than printing them once. |
| 23:18 | same idea | |
| 23:18 | chris | if windows s/\n/\r\n/ |
| 23:18 | yeah | |
| 23:26 | hdl_laptop | mmm can't think of many variables though surely, we would need that to be done quite basically at first and then enriched. |
| 23:27 | pianohackr|work | hdl_laptop: if you manage to refactor some of the reports while you're at it, your name shall be shouted from the rooftops |
| 23:29 | hdl_laptop | will try. |
| 23:29 | ok good night folks | |
| 23:29 | pianohackr|work | good night |
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| 23:32 | chris_n2 | argh! |
| 23:32 | /me spills coke into his keyboard | |
| 23:32 | pianohackr|work | soft_drinks-- :) |
| 23:33 | chris_n2 | at least I saved the pizza ;-) |
| 23:34 | this keyboard is due a bath anyway | |
| 23:34 | pianohackr|work | pizza++ only way our migration succeeded was through the grace of dominos |
| 23:34 | chris_n2 | hehe |
| 23:34 | * chris_n2 | sends another missive to the 'dmake' guru |
| 23:35 | chris_n2 | I'm pounding on win32 installation again |
| 23:35 | pianohackr|work | oh, I'm sorry |
| 23:35 | thanks for doing that, it's nasty grunge work that nobody seems to want to sponsor | |
| 23:36 | chris_n2 | can opac be installed as a true stand-alone? |
| 23:40 | pianohackr|work | how do you mean? |
| 23:59 | chris_n2 | actually I was thinking opac on one machine and staff client on another |
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