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| 00:55 | ricardo | @later tell chris Hi chris. I'm finishing doing the last changes to the Portuguese translation, but I will only finish it on Monday morning (it will be Monday evening for you). I'll send it by e-mail to you |
| 00:55 | munin | ricardo: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:13 | ricardo | Bye ppl. Time to go to bed! :) |
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| 03:08 | mason | heh, on slashdot today..... |
| 03:08 | http://teddziuba.com/2009/10/i[…]my-free-time.html | |
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| 03:47 | Amit | hi chris |
| 03:49 | thd | Ropuch: are you still there? |
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| 05:50 | Ropuch | thd: I'am now ;> |
| 05:50 | Morning #koha | |
| 05:51 | thd | Ropuch: you asked about the license for the Koha manuals? |
| 05:52 | Ropuch | thd: yes, but I've already contacted Nicole |
| 05:53 | thd | Ropuch: How did she respond? |
| 05:53 | or what was her response? | |
| 05:54 | Ropuch | She said that's ok for me to translate it and advised med to hold off as manual is being changed into Docbook/XML |
| 05:55 | thd | Ropuch: What did she say about the license? |
| 05:55 | Ropuch | "You are free to translate and republish the manual whenever" |
| 05:56 | thd | OK |
| 05:57 | Ropuch: There is a line at the base of the Koha website stating that the content is distributed under GNU GPL which links to GPL 2. | |
| 05:59 | Ropuch: I had asked Nicole to make that GPL 2 or later when she republishes the manuals so that we can upgrade the license terms if we need to. | |
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| 05:59 | Ropuch | thd: yes, I'm aware of that, I just wanted be sure, as it follows "Koha® and the Koha logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of LibLime and BibLibre in the United States, France and other countries" |
| 05:59 | Hi nicomo | |
| 05:59 | nicomo | hi all |
| 06:00 | thd | Ropuch: no one will be using those trademarks against any community effort such as translating manuals |
| 06:00 | nicomo | Ropuch: what's the beginning of the discussion here regarding TM? |
| 06:00 | if i can bring some clarity... | |
| 06:00 | thd | nicomo: permission to translate the manual |
| 06:00 | nicomo: trademarks scare people | |
| 06:00 | nicomo | indeed they do |
| 06:01 | we (biblibre) stand there on this issue: | |
| 06:01 | thd | nicomo: I was just explaining to Ropuch that he had no need for concern about trademarks |
| 06:01 | Ropuch | I would much more encouraging if the manual itslef has some some license link and statement |
| 06:02 | nicomo | we registered the TM in France in 2005 when a company (Ineo) that didn't seem intent on playing nice with the community starting circling around koha |
| 06:02 | we did the same with a European Union wide TM when some tension emerged with PTFS at the end of 2008 | |
| 06:02 | we always said we were doing this to protect the TM for the community | |
| 06:03 | and indeed we never used the TM | |
| 06:03 | Ropuch | Good move :) |
| 06:03 | nicomo | we'd be very happy to actually transfer those to another entity |
| 06:04 | a foundation if it's set up | |
| 06:04 | another entity such as HLT is the foundation takes too long | |
| 06:04 | thd | Unfortunately, the US trademark could be a small obstacle to the community. |
| 06:05 | nicomo | yes, but hey, I'm not the culprit on this one :-) |
| 06:05 | thd | nicomo: yes of course, you are now the victim |
| 06:06 | Amit | hi ropuch, nicomo, thd |
| 06:06 | nicomo | but then, biblibre transferring the European TM to the community *at no charge* will put, hopefully, some pressure on LibLime to act in the same way |
| 06:06 | hi Amit | |
| 06:06 | thd | hello Amit |
| 06:07 | nicomo: if you think that HLT is the best solution for the interim period you should be advocating that on the mailing lists | |
| 06:07 | nicomo | I did |
| 06:07 | and in the poll | |
| 06:07 | I'm just waiting for the results of the poll on this | |
| 06:07 | thd | nicomo: don't stop advocating with all the reasons which you can find |
| 06:08 | nicomo | got to take my daughter to school : brb |
| 06:09 | Ropuch | ho Amit |
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| 07:05 | Ropuch | What does "copy available for reference" stand for? |
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| 07:09 | hdl_laptop | Ropuch : Copies you can consult only on site |
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| 07:46 | Ropuch | hdl_laptop: thanks |
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| 07:50 | toins | hello world |
| 07:51 | hdl_laptop | hello toins it's been a hell of a time. |
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| 07:51 | hdl_laptop | Would you please vote for relicensing ? |
| 07:51 | toins | hello hdl_laptop |
| 08:02 | Ropuch | Hi toins |
| 08:02 | toins | hi Ropuch |
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| 09:15 | ricardo | Hi everyone! |
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| 09:31 | Ropuch | Hello ricardo |
| 09:32 | ricardo | Hi Ropuch |
| 09:49 | kmkale | @weather thane |
| 09:49 | munin | kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (2:40 PM IST on October 12, 2009). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). |
| 10:12 | Amit | hi kmkale |
| 10:19 | @wunder Bangalore | |
| 10:19 | munin | Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 27.0�C (2:30 PM IST on October 12, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. |
| 10:27 | hdl_laptop | chris around ? |
| 10:35 | ricardo | hdl_laptop: Hi Henri! :) I guess chris isn't here (or he's quieter than usual). I'm doing some finishing touches in the Portuguese translation. What's the deadline for submitting it? |
| 10:36 | (for 3.0.4, I mean) | |
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| 10:49 | hdl_laptop | asap. |
| 10:50 | I have to release by wednesday | |
| 10:51 | ricardo | hdl_laptop: OK, thanks... I'll try to send it tomorrow night to chris |
| 11:12 | Amit | hi indradg, ricardo |
| 11:15 | ricardo | Hi Amit! |
| 11:21 | Lunch time... BBL | |
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| 12:52 | chris_n | g'morning #koha |
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| 13:32 | Ropuch | Hi chris_n |
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| 14:07 | CGI870 | Hello, is there anyone around that might help with a strange LDAP problem? |
| 14:21 | slef | Hi. Anyone know if koha has item records only visible by logged-in users yet? |
| 14:21 | CGI870: if you explain it, maybe you'll find out. | |
| 14:41 | CGI870 | The problem we are having is that the default entry in the koha-conf.xml file keeps updating the borrwers tables in koha even though the update parameter is set to 0 |
| 14:44 | hdl_laptop | slef I donot think so |
| 14:45 | slef | CGI870: update on every login? Which koha version? |
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| 14:50 | nengard | howdy joetho |
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| 15:09 | CGI870 | Slef> It's version 3.00.00.107 |
| 15:10 | slef | CGI870: does it update on every login? |
| 15:12 | CGI870 | Yep....every login. Which is annoying cause if a staff users change an attribute it will change back when the user nexts logs in |
| 15:12 | BTW, it's only the branch code that changes back,.....others attributes don't | |
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| 15:18 | chris_n | hi brendan |
| 15:24 | nengard | hi brendan |
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| 15:28 | chris_n | hi nengard |
| 15:30 | slef | CGI870: that's odd - you have replicate as 1 and update as 0? |
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| 15:33 | nengard | this makes me sad : http://www.facebook.com/griffe[…]0854104366&ref=nf I want to help him :( |
| 15:33 | Ropuch | Hi nengard |
| 15:34 | slef | nengard: what does it say besides "Registriĝi Facebook por konekti kun Jason Griffey"? |
| 15:34 | nengard | slef ... hmm - link works for me ... |
| 15:34 | slef | nengard: presumably you're logged into facebook? |
| 15:34 | nengard | he says "Looks like the images in the Koha documentation are actually broken...and I don't see any contact info on who to alert. Fail!" |
| 15:35 | slef | oh wow, ow |
| 15:35 | nengard | I told him i'm doc manager but not web manager ;( |
| 15:35 | and can't help him | |
| 15:35 | my answer "I'm the Doc Manager - and the one to contact, but I don't manage the website - hence the reason I'm moving the docs. I wish I could help you - and this whole Plone site thing was supposed to be the answer you were looking for, but still has some bugs that aren't being addressed - I am working as fast I can on moving the manual and wish I could help you more than that :(" | |
| 15:35 | slef | time to bring back kohadocs.org? |
| 15:36 | nengard | i'm working on moving the documentation to docbook xml - and then we can put it anywhere we want |
| 15:36 | whether that's kohadocs.org or elsewhere | |
| 15:36 | slef | less than 1h left to work today - I guess I should open my list mailbox :scared: |
| 15:39 | chris_n | hehe |
| 15:40 | * chris_n | hands slef a fire extinguisher ;-) |
| 15:40 | Ropuch | nengard: if I can be of any help - just tell me what to do [; |
| 15:40 | nengard | thanks a bunch Ropuch |
| 15:41 | CGI870 | yep....repliacte 1 update 0,. I know, very strange |
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| 15:57 | slef | CGI870: what's branch in your LDAP source? |
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| 16:29 | slef | Anyone else been invite-spammed by Nouman Soomro? |
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| 17:27 | * owen | grumbles |
| 17:28 | slef | owen? |
| 17:29 | owen | I'm tired of Ben Ide being LibLime's mouthpiece. |
| 17:29 | Now it seems he's ready to justify their refusal of a public git repo by saying "Git is hard." | |
| 17:29 | Nate | AMEN |
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| 17:31 | slef | no, peoplehours is hard... git is not generally hard |
| 17:32 | although I did break a repo of our wordpress last week :-/ | |
| 17:32 | take care with git gc | |
| 17:32 | ricardo_away | owen: gee... OK. In that case, would it be possible to convince him / LibLiblime to use Subversion... or even CVS? |
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| 17:45 | * chris_n | wonders about the validity of the statement Ben Ide makes regarding others withholding code |
| 17:45 | owen | Those are accusations Joshua has made before, so I'm assuming Ben is getting them directly from him. |
| 17:46 | chris_n | it would be good to have those entities to categorically deny them publicly to take the wind out of those sails |
| 17:47 | owen | Actually I think it's best to ignore it. It's a distraction from the real issue of whether or not it is appropriate for koha.org to link to LEK demos. |
| 17:48 | LibLime knows what real community participation is, and they've argued this identical case in the past with reference to *other* entities. | |
| 17:48 | * chris_n | thinks that every issue is real atm :-) |
| 17:48 | ricardo | owen: *nod* |
| 17:48 | chris_n: *nod* | |
| 17:48 | owen | What is Ben saying, that LibLime is justified because others have done it? |
| 17:48 | ricardo | (stop make me nodding, or else I'll get a neck problem! ;-) |
| 17:49 | chris_n | but I think that I may should not have hijacked the thread |
| 17:49 | owen: correct | |
| 17:49 | owen | Don't worry chris_n: Joshua isn't likely to respond no matter where the thread goes :) |
| 17:49 | chris_n | I'm sure that there are some modifications, etc. which would truly be of no interest to the community |
| 17:50 | owen: too true | |
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| 18:03 | chris_n | paul_p: congrats on the dev contract |
| 18:16 | paul_p | chris_n: what are u speaking of ? |
| 18:16 | (OK, understood ;-) ) | |
| 18:16 | RFCs for koha 3.4 | |
| 18:22 | collum | I think my eye is twitching from reading the Listserv. |
| 18:24 | owen | I'm glad Ben has finally cleared his schedule to the point where he can look at the koha.org home page and find out what they hell we're talking about. |
| 18:26 | ricardo | collum: Eyelid twitch: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia |
| 18:26 | http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medline[…]rticle/000756.htm | |
| 18:26 | (always happy to help! ;-) | |
| 18:28 | collum | They need to add Guiness to the treatment. |
| 18:28 | chris_n | lol |
| 18:29 | ricardo | collum: LOL! |
| 18:30 | collum: I'm guessing that you mean the Beer and NOT the Book... although I guess that getting hit by the Book may also solve the eye twitching problem... ;-) | |
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| 18:31 | collum | ricardo: Yes, definitely the beer. Actually spelled "guinness" |
| 18:32 | ricardo | collum: *nod* |
| 18:32 | * chris_n | thinks Ben must not be *too* busy... today at lease ;-) |
| 18:33 | chris_n | least even |
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| 18:33 | * paul_p | think all of this will finish with a "community koha" moving to an new url, and that's a real shame... |
| 18:34 | ricardo | paul_p: *nod* :( |
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| 18:43 | paul_p | :( can't answer mails from my hotel (smtp closed :( ) |
| 18:48 | ricardo | paul_p: No Webmail available? |
| 18:48 | * nengard | laughing at owen's PDF comment |
| 18:53 | * chris_n | apologizes to nengard for hijacking her thread :-P |
| 18:53 | chris_n | or who'sever it was |
| 18:54 | owen: lol | |
| 18:55 | git create-pdf | |
| 18:56 | chris | oh ffs |
| 18:56 | ricardo | nengard / owen_ : Sending a PDF it's actually not that far-fetched: |
| 18:56 | chris | this is the low point in my 10+ years of koha |
| 18:56 | ricardo | The PGPi scanning project |
| 18:56 | http://www.pgpi.org/pgpi/project/scanning/ | |
| 18:57 | nengard | chris_n never ever apologize for chiming in |
| 18:57 | chris | i have to now go defend HLT from someone who has no idea wtf they are talking about |
| 18:57 | ricardo | chris: Hi! :) |
| 18:57 | chris | 2 hours before i have to talk with someone from HLT about Koha |
| 18:57 | i hope she doesnt read the thread | |
| 18:57 | nengard | sorry you're sad/mad/upset chris |
| 18:57 | don't let the minority upset you | |
| 18:57 | owen_ | I don't think it's worth it, chris |
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| 18:57 | joetho | <--agrees |
| 18:57 | brendan | *nods* |
| 18:58 | joetho | patience. |
| 18:58 | ricardo | chris: I'm furiously editing the PO files. Would it possible for me to send it to you by e-mail in say 3 hours or so? (or do you prefer that I send it in a different way, e.g: git patch) |
| 18:58 | joetho | Virtue shall prevail. |
| 18:59 | * chris | just read owen's reply, ill let that one do it |
| 18:59 | chris | ricardo: no hurry im at conference for one more day |
| 18:59 | * chris | went to bed all happy |
| 19:00 | Ropuch | ;> |
| 19:00 | chris | had dinner last night with RMS, Jo from HLT and brenda chawner |
| 19:00 | ricardo | chris: Cool... And do you have e-mail access at the conference (or when you return back home)? |
| 19:00 | chris: What conference, BTW? | |
| 19:01 | chris | LIANZA (library association of NZ) |
| 19:01 | spent 3 hours chatting while eating bangladeshi food | |
| 19:01 | talked about Koha, Software as a Service, DRM .. then the use of passive tense in maori :) | |
| 19:01 | ricardo | ("while eating bangladeshi food" => famous last words ;-) |
| 19:02 | chris | hehe, it was really really good, ive never tried it before, but im a fan now |
| 19:02 | ricardo: i do, but it is patchy access | |
| 19:02 | ricardo | chris: cool :) |
| 19:02 | chris | but once i am back in wellington, i will tidy everything up, and push everything up ready for HDL |
| 19:03 | ricardo | chris: Understood... I'll also be in a training course tomorrow. It'll take place here at work, but my Internet access will be very limited most of the time |
| 19:03 | paul_p | owen: lol for PDF... |
| 19:03 | chris | yeah, its just getting the time to use it is the trick |
| 19:03 | ricardo | chris: right |
| 19:03 | paul_p | owen++ for his humour |
| 19:03 | ricardo | paul_p: *nod* |
| 19:03 | owen++ | |
| 19:04 | owen | Looks like the Liblime koha.org blocks crawls by the wayback machine: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.koha.org |
| 19:05 | chris | yeah its got a robots.txt fikle |
| 19:06 | or nofollow links or something the spider honours | |
| 19:06 | ricardo | Well, I think there was one progress in this process (strange sentence...): someone from LibLime (Ben Ide) got in the conversation, started talking about making the source code available (as a tarball) and now seems to be considering using git... That's progress comparing to the previous state (no communication from LibLime) |
| 19:07 | chris | he isnt from Liblime |
| 19:07 | he is from one of the libraries that is part of WALDO | |
| 19:07 | he has no more knowledge of what liblime plan than you or I do | |
| 19:09 | works in a library that use Koha, and takes cheap shots at the Library that made that possible ... | |
| 19:09 | Ropuch | Looks like it |
| 19:09 | ricardo | chris: OK, I stand corrected then |
| 19:09 | paul_p | (well, he may have 'access' to josh, maybe) |
| 19:09 | chris | tis what made me angry |
| 19:12 | owen | Things like the dig at "HTL" must come directly from Josh. |
| 19:14 | chris | oh yeah, he must be parroting |
| 19:14 | josh needs to be careful | |
| 19:15 | there are people in NZ not under confidentiality agreements who know exactly what happened when liblime pulled out of NZ | |
| 19:15 | first hand knowledge .. and i suspect that places like kapiti are having to bite their tongues very hard | |
| 19:15 | ricardo | ( All this "saga" strangely reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S[…]venge_of_the_Sith ) |
| 19:16 | chris | hehe |
| 19:18 | ricardo | Is it too late to persuade LibLime to not give in to the "Dark side of the Force"? I hope not... (cheesy, I know... but all of this seems a bit surreal to me) |
| 19:19 | chris | the thing to remember is this hasnt just happened 2 months ago |
| 19:19 | this has been slowly happening for years | |
| 19:20 | LEK is just the last straw | |
| 19:20 | but like you, everyone hoped liblime could be persuaded otherwise, so were silent publicly | |
| 19:21 | ricardo | chris: understood |
| 19:21 | chris | also there was a real sense of not wanting to damage the reputation of Koha |
| 19:21 | ricardo | chris: right |
| 19:22 | OK. I have to go home now. Take care everyone! :) | |
| 19:22 | chris | cya later ricardo |
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| 19:22 | chris | hdl_laptop: are you about? |
| 19:23 | hdl_laptop | yse |
| 19:23 | yes even | |
| 19:23 | paul_p | chris is 100% right: this was slowly happening for years now. I've probably been josh last contact, could not think things would end like this, but I was wrong |
| 19:25 | chris: a mail for you (trans manager) on koha-dev | |
| 19:26 | chris | ahh i just replied to one |
| 19:26 | oh i have replied to him twice | |
| 19:26 | * chris | will reply again |
| 19:27 | chris | hdl_laptop: is pushing up the .po files tomorrow night NZ time ok? |
| 19:27 | hdl_laptop | Yes. |
| 19:27 | Could you check that the french po file is ok for 3.0.x ? | |
| 19:28 | I could not merge on Pootle site, so I directly uploaded the file. | |
| 19:28 | But can't be sure of the translation | |
| 19:29 | anyway, it is the translation we use at biblibre_3.0.x.git.biblibre.com | |
| 19:29 | chris | righto |
| 19:29 | i will test it before I push it up | |
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| 19:33 | owen | Hi CGI901 |
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| 19:40 | hdl_laptop | nengard: I think that creating a new kohadocs project on gitorious could be a sound thing. |
| 19:40 | chris: don't you think ? | |
| 19:41 | nicomo | hdl_laptop: I'm conflicted about this |
| 19:41 | hdl_laptop | why ? |
| 19:42 | nicomo | nengard pointed out, rightly, that have our doc on git will limit the potential contributors to the doc project quite radically |
| 19:42 | chris | not at all |
| 19:42 | just because we store it in git | |
| 19:42 | doesnt mean people have to use git to edit it | |
| 19:43 | nicomo | ah, that's a different proposition then |
| 19:43 | chris | dont fall into the having to catalogue in marc because we store stuff in marc trapped :) |
| 19:43 | nicomo | but it's not a complete answer |
| 19:43 | if we have an editing tool | |
| 19:43 | which one should it be | |
| 19:43 | chris | it needs to be one that can save in xml |
| 19:44 | hdl_laptop | XXE could be the choice |
| 19:44 | nicomo | and how can we synchronize nicely between it and git |
| 19:44 | bleh | |
| 19:44 | chris | an html only manual is crap |
| 19:44 | nicomo | agreed |
| 19:44 | hdl_laptop | and synching could be done with git commit; git push |
| 19:45 | nicomo | hdl_laptop: you've got to be kidding |
| 19:45 | chris | i dont mind what editor we choose, the history of the documentation is that lots of people say they want to edit/write but very little do |
| 19:45 | nicomo: that doesnt seem like an onerous task for the docmanager to do | |
| 19:46 | and the benefits of having version control far outweigh any downside | |
| 19:46 | nicomo | chris: and hdl_laptop you're talking to a librarian here |
| 19:46 | hdl_laptop | or use git gui if you prefer user interface. |
| 19:46 | chris | yes but nicole is doc manager |
| 19:46 | i would expect her to collate and mange the repository | |
| 19:46 | hdl_laptop | manage |
| 19:46 | chris | and she has more than enough git skill to do that |
| 19:46 | * gmcharlt | pokes head in - version control of doc, if not a sine qua non, IMO is very important |
| 19:46 | nicomo | gmcharlt: it is |
| 19:47 | gmcharlt | and the same ease of branching that applies to code applies to doc |
| 19:47 | nicomo | what I'm trying to have a feel for here is how we can have this *and* something easy to use |
| 19:47 | hdl_laptop | and version control has to do with cvs, subversion, etc.... like it or not ;) |
| 19:48 | chris | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=14303 <-- guess you guys all know about this already hehe |
| 19:48 | hdl_laptop | maybe we could use Alfresco to manage revisions, but would be a little bit overkill nicomo ;) |
| 19:48 | chris | oh god no |
| 19:48 | nicomo | hdl_laptop: if I have to translate the manual in .po files you hear from me |
| 19:48 | chris | we use that at work, its a nightmare pile of java madness |
| 19:49 | translating doc with po files is a crazy idea | |
| 19:49 | nicomo | come on chris i was kidding |
| 19:49 | chris | and has nothing to do with xml or storing it in git |
| 19:50 | sorry, low on humour today | |
| 19:50 | :( | |
| 19:50 | * chris | promises to lighten up |
| 19:50 | nicomo | well, it's not friday, I'll give you that |
| 19:50 | hdl_laptop | well... Docbook makes po generation quite easy. |
| 19:50 | ->[] | |
| 19:51 | nicomo | how can one push a docbook file into a nice looking cms, anyone know? |
| 19:52 | gmcharlt | nicomo: I think I don't mind so much if the DocM has to learn a version control tool (and after all, nengard does know git), as long as the DocM is willing to check doc into the repository that's contributed from outside |
| 19:53 | nicomo | indeed |
| 19:53 | that makes sense | |
| 19:53 | chris_n | gmcharlt: sorry to bug you again, but could you push the patch for bug 3706 when you get a chance? its a nasty and is causing trouble for some |
| 19:53 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3706 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswongerfoundations.edu, ASSIGNED, Label templates/layouts do not save properly |
| 19:53 | chris | http://drupal.org/project/export_docbook |
| 19:53 | nicomo | yes drupal has some stuff about docbook |
| 19:53 | chris | maybe we could use drupal, then export to docbook to store |
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| 19:53 | cait_laptop | hi #koha |
| 19:54 | chris_n | howdy cait_laptop |
| 19:54 | nicomo | hi cait_laptop |
| 19:54 | import/export docbook in drupal is not a very polished module iirc | |
| 19:56 | cait_laptop | nicomo: reading your rfc's now - I wondered myself how the circ matric can manage more options, |
| 19:57 | nicomo | cait_laptop: yep, I don't have a clue about the way forward yet for that, |
| 19:58 | but something has to be done | |
| 19:58 | it's messy | |
| 19:58 | chris | speaking of 3.4 |
| 19:58 | we need to start collecting proposals for RM | |
| 19:58 | nicomo | and adding options it's going to be messier still |
| 19:58 | cait_laptop | nicomo: and painful to change ... I have 180 rules in this matrix now |
| 19:58 | nicomo | cait_laptop: ++ |
| 19:58 | hdl_laptop | hi cait_laptop |
| 19:58 | nicomo | ergonomics of it all will be important |
| 19:58 | cait_laptop | hi hdl_laptop |
| 19:58 | nicomo | if you have ideas, please write them down in the wiki |
| 19:59 | brendan | chris -- any ideas for who wants to be RM for 3.4 |
| 19:59 | cait_laptop | in horizon we have circ parameters with a matrix for each parameter... but this is not really better |
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| 19:59 | chris | brendan: i dont think anyone sane wants to be RM |
| 19:59 | :) | |
| 19:59 | nicomo | and my memories from Aleph, which I used to manage, are not much better |
| 20:00 | chris | but I would throw my name in the hat if the community thought that was a good idea |
| 20:00 | gmcharlt | which makes me inane, eh? ;) |
| 20:00 | cait_laptop | so we need something new and innovative - not easy :) |
| 20:00 | chris_n | RM == Routinely Mangled |
| 20:00 | nicomo | lol |
| 20:00 | gmcharlt | in any event, /me is decidedly *not* putting my hat into that particular ring |
| 20:00 | cait_laptop | lol |
| 20:01 | chris | id like 3.4 to be a short cycle release, predominantly clean up and speed, with some new features |
| 20:01 | cait_laptop | hm when chris is release manager - who will answer my translation questions? ;) |
| 20:01 | chris | thats what my proposal would look like in a nutshell |
| 20:01 | cait_laptop: you, you can be TM :) | |
| 20:02 | cait_laptop | oh |
| 20:02 | chris | but yes, that would mean we would need a new TM |
| 20:02 | cait_laptop | not sure if I am able to do that - I would need help on the technical part I think |
| 20:03 | nicomo | cait_laptop: we could get inspiration from the UIs in CMSs like wordpress or drupal |
| 20:03 | chris | well i better go mingle, have good days//evenings |
| 20:04 | cait_laptop | nicomo: I installed drupal for a project in library school, but dont remember much of it, but looking at non-libary-software is a good idea |
| 20:04 | bye chris :) | |
| 20:04 | * nicomo | loves drupal, even though I have to admit the learning curve is (too) steep |
| 20:04 | nicomo | seeya chris |
| 20:05 | cait_laptop | nicomo: we had joomla and typo3 too, we did a short comparison and drupal made a really good impression |
| 20:06 | nicomo | the back office of complex web site management systems can be an inspiration, I think |
| 20:07 | here the amount of data to be pulled in the page is not very important | |
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| 20:07 | nicomo | it's just that it's complex to organize in the page |
| 20:08 | so I guess we could load most of it from the start | |
| 20:08 | and work from here, limiting the need to refresh the page? | |
| 20:08 | cait_laptop | not sure if I can follow your thoughts :) |
| 20:09 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: not insane, but a hero ;) |
| 20:10 | cait_laptop | it should be easier to edit rules or single parameters |
| 20:11 | perhaps options to select combinations and change them, something like btype student, all item types, change fine to xx? | |
| 20:11 | but this might still be too complicated and causing too much errors | |
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| 20:18 | nicomo | ah ah cait_laptop you don't follow my thoughts because they're unclear |
| 20:19 | cait_laptop | or its just too late, just came back from heidelberg, tired |
| 20:19 | nicomo | yeah I'm tired too: 10;20pm and I've been here since 8:30am, more or less |
| 20:20 | so I'll let chris go mingle and I'll get to bed | |
| 20:20 | cait_laptop | sounds like a good plan |
| 20:20 | nicomo | :-) yeah, see you all tomorrow |
| 20:20 | cait_laptop | i will think about the UI - perhaps owen has some ideas? |
| 20:20 | good night nicomo | |
| 20:21 | nicomo left #koha | |
| 20:50 | paul_p | tone up'ing btw owen & ben... |
| 20:50 | time to go to bed (& battery low) | |
| 20:50 | bye world | |
| 20:52 | owen | "LibLime has done a fix of sorts" ? |
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| 21:15 | cait_laptop | good night #koha |
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| 21:59 | brendan | afternoon |
| 22:33 | chris_n2 | howdy brendan |
| 22:33 | brendan | hi chris_n2 |
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| 22:53 | Topic for #koha is now discussion channel for the Koha ILS | |
| 22:54 | brendan | heya pianohacker |
| 22:54 | pianohacker | hi brendan |
| 22:54 | how's your monday | |
| 22:55 | brendan | been a slow day |
| 22:55 | well besides reading many koha mail-list fodder | |
| 22:58 | pianohacker | ahh |
| 22:58 | * pianohacker | hands brendan a flame-retardant suit |
| 22:58 | brendan | hehe |
| 22:58 | accepted :) | |
| 23:01 | chris_n2 | hey pianohacker |
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| 23:14 | pianohacker | hi, chris_n2 |
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| 23:57 | joetho | pianohacker |
| 23:57 | pianohacker | joetho |
| 23:57 | how are you doing? | |
| 23:58 | joetho | pm |
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