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01:35 | chris_n^2 | g'night |
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03:39 | brendan | heya amit |
03:39 | Amit | hi chris, richard, brendan |
03:39 | good morning #koha | |
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05:52 | kf | morning |
05:55 | Amit | hi kf |
05:57 | kf | hi Amit |
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06:30 | Ropuch | Good morning #koha |
06:35 | kf | morning Ropuch |
06:50 | chris here? | |
06:57 | hdl_laptop | hi |
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07:30 | chris | am now kf, but it was a farewell for one of the people at work, so i have drunk a bt of beer |
07:31 | kf | no problem :) I wonderes about the IMG comments in translation - but it seems to be used for alt-tags |
07:32 | chris | yep |
07:32 | kf | so translation should be no problem |
07:33 | chris | cool |
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08:54 | kf | has someone tested messaging in 3.2? I can not change messaging preferences for a patron in opac or staff |
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09:11 | hdl_laptop | staff => patron |
09:13 | kf | hdl? |
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12:08 | * chris_n | wonders if anyone is awake.... |
12:09 | chris_n | @quote random |
12:09 | munin` | chris_n: Quote #27: "<jdavidb> ("A helicopter does not fly; it is a collection of quasi-unrelated parts moving in close formation, beating the sky into submission.")" (added by gmcharlt at 09:21 PM, August 22, 2009) |
12:09 | chris_n | heh |
12:15 | hdl_laptop | chris_n I am |
12:16 | kf sorry. Are you there ? | |
12:18 | kf | hdl_laptop: here |
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12:21 | hdl_laptop | kf: you wanted to ask me a question ? |
12:22 | ebegin | good morning koha! |
12:22 | hdl_laptop | hi ebegin |
12:23 | ebegin | Hi Henri-Damien. |
12:26 | slef | chris_n: no, I'm asleep. |
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12:34 | chris_n | slef:lol ;-) |
12:36 | hdl_laptop | oh... This was about my message staff=>patron |
12:37 | kf : If you go to Patron edition, then you are able to choose what messaging preference should be applied. | |
12:37 | Kf it seems curious to me that the table values cannot be edited. | |
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13:06 | kf | hdl_laptop: sorry, lost internet connection |
13:10 | chris_n | kf: |
13:10 | <hdl_laptop> oh... This was about my message staff=>patron | |
13:10 | <hdl_laptop> kf : If you go to Patron edition, then you are able to choose what messaging preference should be applied. | |
13:10 | <hdl_laptop> Kf it seems curious to me that the table values cannot be edited. | |
13:10 | hdl_laptop | thx chris_n |
13:11 | chris_n | bbiab |
13:13 | kf | chris_n: I think I have a translation problem here - I can change but not save. values got translated |
13:13 | value="E-Mail" instead of email - I just discovered that it works with English templates, so this could be a reason | |
13:13 | slef | chris_n: I think I work better when asleep |
13:14 | kf | chris_n: thx for repeating :) |
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13:22 | hdl_laptop | kf : I have fixed translator on 3.0.4 for that issue |
13:23 | are you working with latest 3.0.x ? | |
13:23 | kf | hdl: so it will get to 3.2 too? |
13:23 | hdl_laptop | It has been sent on patches iirc. |
13:23 | kf | hdl_laptop: because of sip2 and some other things we will use 3.1 for the library |
13:24 | hdl_laptop: and update to 3.2 later - but those things will probably get lost when not starting from 3.0.4? | |
13:25 | hdl_laptop | hopefully no. |
13:27 | Bug fixing : translation process on submit and checkbox | |
13:27 | patch sent on 22/09 | |
13:27 | kf | thx a lot - will search for that and try to change po file so that it will work until we get it |
13:28 | hdl_laptop | no need to change po file. |
13:29 | kf | hm? |
13:31 | how would you fix it? I think German template is not working because there are German terms where there should be the original values | |
13:35 | hdl_laptop | kf : tmpl_process3.pl is used twice for translations : |
13:36 | 1- generates po file (create) or merge po file with diffs (update) | |
13:36 | 2- generate translations. | |
13:36 | my bug fix fixes both of those usage. | |
13:36 | But you only need to fix translation generation and it is ok for you. | |
13:36 | kf | ah, so changing tmpl_process3 and regenerate templates would be enough? |
13:37 | hdl_laptop | yes. |
13:37 | vertanden | |
13:37 | verstanden | |
13:37 | kf | hdl_laptop: yes and thx a lot |
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14:11 | * owen | going through the IRC log looking at the lists of Koha-using consortia |
14:11 | notices LibLime's site says NPL migrated to Koha in 2007 | |
14:12 | owen | I guess the time we were using Koha before we contracted with LibLime doesn't count. |
14:12 | brendan | :) |
14:12 | morning owen | |
14:12 | owen | Hi brendan |
14:13 | Are you up early or not back on the west coast yet? | |
14:13 | brendan | yup early |
14:13 | wife work me up | |
14:13 | s/work/woke | |
14:13 | you can tell it's early | |
14:39 | owen | Hmmm... Why am I seeing a "Publisher description" link in my search results? |
14:39 | "Availability: Publisher description Checked out (1)" | |
14:39 | That seems to be out of place. | |
14:44 | wizzyrea | mornin folks |
14:44 | owen | Hi wizzyrea |
14:53 | chris_n | atz ++ #for taking time to participate in Koha |
14:54 | * chris_n | greets wizzyrea, owen, brendan, everyone else |
14:54 | wizzyrea | hi chris_n :) |
14:54 | brendan | hello chris_n |
14:55 | morning wizzyrea | |
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16:21 | kf1 | gmcharlt: around? |
16:21 | gmcharlt | kf1: what's up? |
16:23 | kf1 | gmcharlt: I rewrote my patch for serial enumeration and wanted to ask if you can push it |
16:23 | * gmcharlt | looks at it - yep, it's fine, and I'll push it |
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16:25 | kf1 | gmcharlt: I know many other patches are waiting to be pushed and I normally would not ask, but can you tell when? *ducks* |
16:26 | CGI140 | 01dsadsasda |
16:26 | gmcharlt | kf1: no need to duck, it's a fair question. I'll be working on them this week |
16:26 | CGI140 | 04sdadsa |
16:27 | hey | |
16:28 | just testing the webchat panel | |
16:28 | ccurry | Can anyone tell me why Koha stores call numbers and cutter numbers in the same field? Our current catalog has this information in 852$h & $i; in order to import the data into Koha, I have to merge these subfields into 952$o. Is this compliant with AACR2? Doesn't this remove the ability to sort these two fields in separate ways? |
16:28 | kf1 | gmcharlt: thx :) |
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16:29 | gmcharlt | ccurry: history, basically, although I must say that I've never heard of a use case that call numbers and Cutters be sorted separately from one another |
16:29 | ccurry | Also, does anyone know of a better tool to manipulate MARC data than MARCedit? It seems to work, but it's a bit unwieldy. |
16:30 | kf1 | gmcharlt: new building of our library will be finished tomorrow and library starts working on 12th... time runs too fast :( |
16:30 | gmcharlt | call number browses generally are done based on the whole call number, including Cutter, though I agree that sometimes it is helpful to know exactly where the division point it is to sort them correctly |
16:31 | kf1 | isnt there a field for sorting in items.table? I think its filled according to the chosen classification |
16:31 | filing rules or something | |
16:33 | gmcharlt | kf1: items.cn_sort |
16:34 | ccurry | gmcharlt: I'm not a MARC expert, but since the first part of the call number is supposed to be sorted like an integer (with alphabetization for LC) and the last part is supposed to be sorted like a decimal, it seems that it's necessary to define where the decimal exists in order to facilitate the different sorting behavior. I could be wrong about this; I'm being questioned for merging this... |
16:34 | ...data, though. | |
16:36 | gmcharlt | ccurry: there is almost invariably a literal decimal point in the call number string, though, and one can generally figure out where the Cutter starts based on the structure of the call number |
16:37 | I'm not saying that it wouldn't be better for Koha to store the classification part and the Cutter separately, but in practice, it usually isn't absolutely necessary that an ILS do so in order to sort call numbers correctly | |
16:38 | ccurry | gmcharlt: good to know; I wasn't worried about it, it seemed like the koha virtual shelf browser works correctly; I was running on faith in Koha by believing this, though (being ignorant of the programming behind the feature). |
16:49 | kf1 | ok, time to leave work - bye #koha :) |
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18:10 | cait_laptop | hi :) |
18:37 | chris | morning |
18:37 | cait_laptop | good morning chris |
18:43 | chris | http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/s[…]e-tsunami-warning |
18:44 | brendan | morning chris |
18:49 | chris | yikes |
18:49 | Two villages in Samoa have just been hit by a tsunami, unconfirmed reports from Samoa radio say. | |
18:49 | Polynesia Radio in Apia told Stuff that they were receiving reports from Siumu and another village that a tsunami had come ashore. | |
18:50 | i hope thats not true | |
18:51 | chris_n | howdy chris |
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18:52 | pianohacker | Hello |
18:52 | chris_n | hi pianohacker |
18:52 | hows the hand? | |
18:52 | pianohacker | hey, chris_n |
18:53 | alright, healing slowly but surely | |
18:53 | how are you? | |
18:53 | chris_n | if it gets any better, I won't be able to stand it :-) |
18:54 | pianohacker | oh really? |
18:54 | * chris_n | wonders if chris is overloading stuff.co.nz 's website |
18:55 | pianohacker | 'tis a bit slow |
18:55 | chris | yeah, its my job to keep it up |
18:55 | chris_n | tsunami must be big news... the page times out |
18:56 | chris | i thnk the ad servers have crashed |
18:56 | pianohacker | What's making your life so great, chris_n? |
18:56 | also, hi chris | |
18:56 | chris_n | I'm above ground |
18:57 | and the weather is cooling down | |
18:57 | chris | servers are fine, so all my bits are working ok ... that makes it SEP |
18:58 | now i just have to decide wether to catch a bus into work, given i have to go down the hill to the coast to catch it | |
18:58 | hmm 2 hours until the wave would get here, if there is a wave, right, off i go | |
18:58 | * chris_n | resorts to google news |
19:00 | chris_n | here's a cool site: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/ |
19:00 | pianohacker | hmm, definitely some danger there |
19:01 | chris_n | http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqc[…]es/us2009mdbi.php |
19:01 | pianohacker | chris, other_south_pacificers: good luck |
19:04 | http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/[…]hquake/index.html | |
19:04 | chris_n | 2685km NNE of Auckland.... take care chris |
19:06 | brendan | yup -- take care chris |
19:08 | chris_n | http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/m[…].09.29.185743.txt |
19:10 | or more broadly: http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/m[…].09.29.185430.txt | |
19:24 | pianohacker | hmm. if it was going to hit samoa, it would have done so by now |
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19:36 | richard | hi |
19:36 | pianohacker | hello richard |
19:36 | chris | right in at work now |
19:37 | pianohacker | wb nzers |
19:37 | richard | hiya chris and pianohacker |
19:37 | pianohacker | how are things |
19:37 | brendan | hehe -- yup wb nzers |
19:37 | Ropuch | Evening |
19:37 | pianohacker | good evening Ropuch |
19:37 | richard | wet morning here - maybe a tsunami on the way from the earthquake off samoa earlier this morning |
19:38 | pianohacker | we've been talking about that |
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19:40 | wizzyrea | :( tsunamis-- |
19:40 | chris | http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/s[…]after-Samoa-quake |
19:40 | its gonna be a busy day for the stuff team | |
19:40 | wizzyrea | soo... what does a new zealander do, head inland? |
19:41 | chris | its unlikely to be any danger to nz |
19:41 | but if i lived on the solomons, id head to the hills | |
19:41 | richard | yeah, it will be pretty small by teh time it gets here |
19:41 | pianohacker | yay, that's good |
19:41 | wizzyrea | whew, happy to hear that |
19:41 | something to see though? | |
19:42 | even a lil tsunami is still kind of a big deal | |
19:42 | ? | |
19:42 | chris | 160Mbit/sec ... |
19:43 | pianohacker | outgoing? |
19:43 | chris | yep |
19:43 | wizzyrea | hehe, it's veeery slow from here. still waiting. That's nuts traffic :) |
19:43 | pianohacker | I'll try not to add to it then :) |
19:44 | chris | luckily its still nice and fast in nz |
19:44 | wizzyrea | good! |
19:44 | chris | i suspect we have maxed out our overseas connections tho |
19:44 | wizzyrea | prolly |
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20:20 | chris | ohh that sux :( |
20:21 | pianohacker | what happened? |
20:22 | chris | A massive 8.3 earthquake and tsunami in the Pacific has resulted in a number of deaths in American Samoa, it has been reported. |
20:22 | pianohacker | ouch |
20:23 | chris | i think the earthquake did most of the damage |
20:23 | 8.3 ... with 1 to 5 mins of shaking | |
20:24 | wizzyrea | :( |
20:24 | are you guys "due" for a big one? | |
20:26 | chris | Coromandel residents told to shift to higher ground immediately because of tsunami threat |
20:26 | ok, they are starting to tell nzers to move | |
20:27 | i hope that is just an overreaction | |
20:31 | wizzyrea | :( definitely |
20:31 | your house isn't too far from the coast? but there's a biggish cliff there right? | |
20:32 | chris | yeah, it will only be ppl on the beach, or in small boats near the coast that will be in trouble |
20:32 | wizzyrea | you're on the south anyway, suppose it wouldn't matter as much, since the wave would be perpendicular to your location |
20:32 | chris | *nod* |
20:33 | * wizzyrea | envisions dropping stones into puddles... |
20:33 | wizzyrea | wave theory was always one of my favorite parts of physics |
20:34 | * pianohacker | is studying physics this year; high-school or college level? |
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20:36 | pastebot | "rangi" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "testing pastebot" (1 line) at http://paste.workbuffer.org:8888/1 |
20:37 | chris | hmm thats not quite right |
20:37 | pianohacker | oh, still cool though- |
20:37 | chris | 2 secs ill fix |
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20:38 | pastebot | "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Does this work?" (1 line) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/3 |
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20:39 | pastebot | "pianohacker" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Testing testing testing" (1 line) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/4 |
20:39 | chris | heh, cool |
20:39 | ill leave it running then | |
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20:40 | pianohacker | does it have an option to turn off ip display? it looks like it's just displaying your gateway |
20:41 | chris | yeah its being proxypassed so it will display that, ill turn it off |
20:41 | pianohacker | cool |
20:43 | Topic for #koha is now It's not open source until you release it | koha foundation polling begins 29 September 2009 http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]sep15#action_item | http://paste.workbuffer.org/ for long copy-pastes | |
20:43 | pianohacker | what do you think? |
20:43 | chris | cool :) |
20:45 | pastebot | "hdl" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "test" (2 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/5 |
20:45 | chris | hehe its gonna fill up with tests :-) |
20:45 | pianohacker | heh |
20:45 | hdl_laptop | cool |
20:45 | pianohacker | does it have auto expiration? |
20:45 | hdl_laptop | just passing round. |
20:45 | chris | yep |
20:45 | hdl_laptop | Good night. |
20:45 | chris | night |
20:46 | pianohacker | good night |
20:46 | hdl_laptop | Thx chris for setting that up |
20:46 | chris | chris_n asked for it |
20:46 | so thank him :) | |
20:46 | pianohacker | chris++ regardless, for hosting it |
20:51 | pastebot | "chris_n" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "What obvious thing am I missing here?" (1 line) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/6 |
20:52 | chris_n | heh... cool |
20:52 | tnx chris | |
20:52 | 'night hdl_laptop | |
20:53 | pastebot | "wizzyrea" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Do you like stuff and things?" (1 line) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/7 |
20:53 | wizzyrea | ohh neat |
20:53 | eye sea wut u did thar | |
20:53 | pianohacker | I'm all about the whatchamacallits myself |
20:55 | chris: do you run many webservices through proxy? I've been thinking of doing, but startup management for every piddly little thing seemed a hassle | |
20:56 | chris | i do on my own box, cos i cant be bothered punching holes in the firewall |
20:57 | pianohacker | ahh. managed through the daemon(8) program? |
20:57 | chris | naw, just mod_proxy in apache |
20:57 | pianohacker | does it take care of starting the external servers? |
20:59 | chris | naw, i just make init.d scripts for those |
20:59 | pianohacker | ah |
21:01 | chris_n | bbl |
21:32 | wizzyrea | that's a cool site... a catalyst deal? |
21:32 | chris | the paste one? |
21:33 | wizzyrea | nah, the givealittle |
21:33 | and why in gods name aren't we doing that for koha developments? | |
21:34 | chris | ahh don't think its a catalyst one |
21:34 | wizzyrea | or procuring foundation funding |
21:35 | chris | wizzyrea: cos there is no one to give it too ... well really KUDOS could do something like that right now |
21:35 | id like to see local groups like kudos, kohala etc | |
21:35 | being the channel for fundraising | |
21:36 | wizzyrea | I'm wondering though |
21:36 | given the format of that site (anybody can ask for funding for anything, it looks like) | |
21:36 | chris | and then funding stuff they want |
21:36 | yep | |
21:36 | wizzyrea | what would stop NEKLS from making a cause "improve X about koha" |
21:36 | chris | absolutely nothing |
21:37 | wizzyrea | "we are going to contract Y to do the work, give us your bucks" |
21:37 | chris | yep |
21:37 | wizzyrea | I just hadn't seen anything like that before, where the givers are (sorta) public |
21:38 | chris | *nod* its a good idea |
21:38 | wizzyrea | I mean, there's paypal (nah, to closed) |
21:38 | too* | |
21:38 | I shall have to think about it | |
21:38 | chris | :) |
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22:08 | Jo | Good motning |
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22:34 | chris_n^2 | hi Jo |
22:36 | hmmm... aftershocks | |
22:37 | chris | yeah samoa is a mess |
22:38 | chris_n^2 | some fairly big aftershocks too |
22:38 | 5.0 to 5.6 | |
22:39 | * brendan | hasn't been near an earthquake in my life -- hoping to keep it that way |
22:40 | brendan | I feel sorry for all those involved |
22:40 | pianohackr|work | wow, living in california? |
22:40 | Jo | reports are the tsunami is about 1m high and has been extended to the taranki bight now |
22:41 | brendan | well I just moved here about 10 months ago |
22:41 | been quiet so far * | |
22:41 | chris | jo: theyve downgraded them now |
22:41 | but there are 14 confirmed dead in samoa and lots missing and injured ;( | |
22:42 | brendan | :( |
22:42 | chris | http://www.givealittle.co.nz/cause/pacifictsunami |
22:42 | Jo | ok good (having a beachfront property with 4 chiuldren at home by themselves - thats good to know!) |
22:45 | chris | some fairly horrible stories coming out of samoa, i might stop reading the news |
22:47 | Jo | just rang the children and hauled them off the beach and back to the house ... just in case :)... and just until 2pm |
22:47 | chris | better safe than sorry |
22:48 | pianohackr|work | definitely |
22:49 | * chris_n^2 | remembers spending time on Guam and watching the couch walk back and forth during tremors |
22:49 | Jo | Connor is very angry though - practically spitting down the phone at me! |
22:49 | pianohackr|work | chris: givealittle is reputable? if so, definitely might donate a little |
22:49 | chris | yep, its actually all going to the redcross |
22:49 | Jo: Lyall Preston and a group of holidaymakers from Dargaville in Northland watched from higher ground as the tsunami hit their Sinalei resort located on Samoa's southern coastline. | |
22:49 | The group then witnessed the bodies of three young children wash towards them. | |
22:49 | pianohackr|work | jesus |
22:50 | brendan | oh man |
22:50 | Jo | oh lordie |
22:50 | thats hideous | |
22:50 | chris | im not suggesting you traumatise connor by telling him that |
22:50 | Jo | lol |
22:50 | no - I won't | |
22:50 | he's angry enough already | |
22:50 | no point having him angry and scared! | |
22:51 | where are you getting your news from | |
22:51 | chris | my job :) |
22:51 | stuff.co.nz | |
22:51 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/s[…]tsunami-hit-Samoa | |
22:52 | that story has been viewed 400,000+ times since 7.40am | |
22:52 | pianohackr|work | wow |
22:54 | Jo | gosh |
22:54 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/s[…]-swallowed-resort | |
22:54 | thats a huge wave! | |
22:54 | chris | yep, ive certainly learnt tons about doing a dynamic site with high traffic, tips i can use on koha |
22:55 | yeah, its down to 40cms now for nz | |
22:55 | but the thing with a tsunami is that its a surge, not a wave | |
22:55 | Jo | which is less thana normal wave on the coast |
22:55 | yep - just thinking that. | |
22:55 | chris_n^2 | stuff.co.nz still times out from the east coast us |
22:55 | Jo | its a kg of weight per litre aye - imagine that smacking down on you! |
22:55 | chris | thats annoying :( |
22:56 | chris_n^2 | surge = much more inertia |
22:56 | Jo | the stuff site is your work Chris? |
22:56 | chris | yep, most of the time, when im not doing koha |
22:56 | im on the fairfax team | |
22:57 | Jo | oh cool :) |
22:57 | chris | not the content obviously, but the code behind it |
22:57 | pie on here works on stuff too | |
22:57 | pie | yup, that's me |
22:58 | it's quite a sad morning | |
23:03 | Jo | yep - it must be quite hard, esp given how many Samoans are in NZ and so many of us will know people affected; my sister in laws family are in coastal samoa |
23:03 | chris_n^2 | chris: you guys run trademe.co.nz ? |
23:04 | chris | nope, but its part of the fairfax empire |
23:04 | pianohackr|work | I was going to ask if any of you knew people from samoa |
23:04 | chris_n^2 | traffic going my direction appears to be hung up at one of their routers |
23:04 | chris | yep, nz has a big samoan population |
23:04 | ahh yeah the stuff gear sits in the same rack as the trademe gear | |
23:05 | pianohackr|work | possibly qos prioritization for local ips |
23:06 | chris_n^2 | maybe an edge router handling their backbone link |
23:06 | chris | woot, gmcharlt is pushing patches :) |
23:07 | brendan | ahh -- stuff loads on the west coast :) |
23:07 | chris | in totally unrelated, but good news |
23:07 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/c[…]Caps-beat-England | |
23:08 | brendan | good addition chris |
23:08 | chris_n^2 | brendan: the latency is terrible between here and west coast as well just now |
23:08 | and really bad on the links to asia | |
23:09 | gmcharlt | hi chris |
23:09 | chris | heya gmcharlt :) |
23:09 | gmcharlt | random question for you - have you and dbs ever chatted about translation? |
23:09 | chris_n^2 | gmcharlt: howdy |
23:09 | chris | briefly |
23:09 | gmcharlt | I know he set up a test Pootle for EG at one point |
23:09 | chris | i explained to him how koha does it |
23:09 | but not in depth | |
23:10 | pianohackr|work | hi, gmcharlt |
23:13 | gmcharlt | hi chris_n^2 pianohacker|work |
23:13 | richard is now known as rich-away | |
23:19 | chris | kgs is leaving equinox? |
23:19 | oh yes | |
23:20 | http://blog.esilibrary.com/200[…]munity-librarian/ | |
23:36 | brendan left #koha | |
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