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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:24 | pianohacker | ... and actually hit the funny little X |
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| 02:00 | chris_n^2 | cool, PDF::Reuse maintainer says he'll include several enhancements I made in his next release latter next month |
| 02:00 | hopefully in time for our 3.2 release | |
| 02:05 | chris | awesome |
| 02:09 | * chris_n^2 | has been dragged kicking and screaming up the PDF standard learning curve :-P |
| 02:10 | thd | chris: NZ still recognises software patents, does it not? |
| 02:10 | chris | not explicitly, doesnt explicity reject them either |
| 02:11 | there is a bill going through parliament about patents now | |
| 02:11 | so it may all change | |
| 02:11 | thd | There is a case before the US Supreme Court which may change things in the US. |
| 02:12 | chris_n^2 | thd: which? |
| 02:12 | thd | Bilski |
| 02:13 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_re_Bilski | |
| 02:14 | The hope is that the scope of patents over software in the US may be weakened by some possible ruling. | |
| 02:14 | chris_n^2 | interesting |
| 02:15 | chris | or strengthened by another ruling? |
| 02:19 | thd | The long term low but real possibility of a lawsuit over a software patents is the best reason not to have any long term Koha foundation in the US. |
| 02:20 | chris: does NZ have patent trolls? | |
| 02:20 | chris_n^2 | if the Supreme Court upholds that ruling it appears that it could work havoc in the software industry |
| 02:21 | chris | yes, microsoft |
| 02:21 | chris_n^2 | "...ew really expected just how far reaching the decision would be and that it would call into question thousands of software patents granted over the last 10 to 15 years.: |
| 02:21 | s/ew/few/ | |
| 02:21 | chris | they tried patenting story documents as xml here |
| 02:21 | nzoss and others have challenged it | |
| 02:21 | particularly ironic given that m$ just lost a patent case over xml | |
| 02:21 | thd | We need some havoc in that domain but that is why the court will probably not make a broad ruling. |
| 02:22 | chris_n^2 | it never ceases to amaze me how judges seem to know everything about everything |
| 02:23 | thd | chris_n^2: We have special patent courts where 'expert' judges adjudicate patent cases. Of course, such judges have an obvious bias. |
| 02:24 | * chris_n^2 | wonders if those courts are akin to irs courts :-( |
| 02:26 | chris_n^2 | heh: "What my firm has been seeing is that claims can be made allowable by inserting “computer implemented” into claims, sometimes even in the preamble. It does not seem that is what the Federal Circuit intended, but it is what is happening at least in some cases." |
| 02:26 | thd | chris_n^2: The presumption is in favour of the patent holder which is often against the defendant if that is how IRS courts work. |
| 02:38 | The weaker the software business has been in a country historically, the more likely that the country is to have opposition to software patents which are mostly supported by incumbent industries which have managed to use overly broad patents to.protect themselves from new competitors.. | |
| 02:45 | thd is now known as thd-away | |
| 02:46 | chris_n^2 | I was just reading an article on the difference between patent and copyright with regard to software |
| 02:47 | I tend to agree with the thought that a copyright is more appropriate for software | |
| 02:47 | chris | definitely |
| 02:47 | chris_n^2 | I think that the ability to patent a relatively abstract idea is not good |
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| 03:11 | elpiddaketan | hi everyone |
| 03:12 | i have problem in impoerting my data to koha, how will i do that, the records are from Readerware originally, i have the zip file of it | |
| 03:12 | i have problem in importing my data to koha, how will i do that, the records are from Readerware originally, i have the zip file of it | |
| 03:13 | i got some errors regarding encoding,, something | |
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| 06:56 | mason | encoding - something, hmmmm.... |
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| 07:05 | custard | any body vaguely alert (and feeling up to some apache/koha interaction troubleshooting) ? |
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| 07:07 | mason | ive got 5mins custard :) |
| 07:10 | custard | <mason> Just doen a fairly major round of updating. Last night I had a Koha that worked. This morning the apache log tells me that "File does note exist: /htdocs". |
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| 07:10 | mason | right... |
| 07:11 | so that probably means your 'DocumentRoot' line is wrong | |
| 07:11 | in your apache config ( in case you read the irc.log ) | |
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| 07:16 | kf | good morning :) |
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| 07:19 | custard | sorry about that Mason, bit of a drop-out. I was about to say I can't see a reason for it wanting "/htdocs", and that /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs definitely exits and is accessible. |
| 07:23 | mason | i guess you've probably got another apache2 config file, thats overriding your koha one |
| 07:23 | or, as i said before.... | |
| 07:24 | "so that probably means your 'DocumentRoot' line is wrong" | |
| 07:24 | check that line. | |
| 07:25 | DocumentRoot /home/mason/git/kap-k3-3/koha-tmpl | |
| 07:25 | should have your 'internet-tmpl' and 'opac-tmpl' dirs only | |
| 07:26 | and index.html etc... | |
| 07:26 | Ropuch | hm |
| 07:26 | /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha: DocumentRoot /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs | |
| 07:26 | /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha: DocumentRoot /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs | |
| 07:26 | UGh | |
| 07:27 | custard | which currently says (and is what I'm sure I remember it saying) /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs |
| 07:28 | Ropuch | Do you have koha in sites-enabled? |
| 07:28 | custard | Ropouch: yep. |
| 07:28 | mason | and lots of other stuff? |
| 07:28 | custard | nup. even disabled default. |
| 07:29 | index.html? | |
| 07:29 | mason | ok, good... :) |
| 07:29 | yep | |
| 07:29 | custard | this should be in DocumentRoot or one of the language localisations? |
| 07:29 | mason | ls -l /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs |
| 07:29 | wot u get? | |
| 07:30 | custard | opac-tmpl (and that's it) |
| 07:30 | mason | ok, so yr missing the internet-tmpl staff dirs :/ |
| 07:30 | custard | isn't that here: /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/ |
| 07:31 | ? | |
| 07:31 | and they're both not working. | |
| 07:31 | mason | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]76d1604b2;hb=HEAD |
| 07:31 | . | |
| 07:32 | custard | That's 3.2, yes? |
| 07:32 | mason | yep, 3,2 - and yr versions is ? |
| 07:33 | 3 dot something ? | |
| 07:33 | custard | 3.000.02 (just caught up with current stable) |
| 07:33 | mason | ok, great |
| 07:36 | so , i cant confirm your dir layout - i dont have a koha of that install-type to test with | |
| 07:36 | and im too busy now to switch to an install | |
| 07:37 | . | |
| 07:37 | comment out one of your vhost enteries , in yr apche conf | |
| 07:38 | or edit your koha conf down to a simple 5 line hello-world test | |
| 07:38 | test with a index.html file in a dir | |
| 07:38 | start simple, find the config goof | |
| 07:39 | very probably in yr koha's apache.conf file ;) | |
| 07:39 | as its the only live one | |
| 07:40 | . | |
| 07:40 | at least - thats what i do with my apache conf bugs , when i get them :) | |
| 08:00 | chris | evening |
| 08:03 | custard | ok. functionally (but not elegantly) working koha again. And feeling sheepish about it too. |
| 08:04 | Yes, something wrong with koha-conf. The upgrade over wrote it, and it's one of the few files so far that I've acutally changed. So, naturally, things broke once apache realised. | |
| 08:04 | Thanks mason. | |
| 08:13 | I'll head off now and make some notes for next time I try and run an update :| | |
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| 08:57 | hdl_laptop | chris ? |
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| 09:01 | chris | hi hdl_laptop |
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| 09:09 | |Lupin| | hi |
| 09:10 | kf | hi lupin |
| 09:17 | |Lupin| | guten morgen kf |
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| 09:27 | |Lupin| | hmm just in ase there are git experts aroun.. |
| 09:27 | I just did a git format-patch origin | |
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| 09:27 | |Lupin| | and git created 2 files |
| 09:27 | one of them is a patch I'd like to submit so that's fine | |
| 09:28 | but the other is a patch I had already submitted and which was accepted | |
| 09:28 | so I think it shold already bi in master | |
| 09:28 | chris | did you fetch and rebase before you created your patch? |
| 09:28 | |Lupin| | I did a git pull before prepearing the patch.. |
| 09:28 | is there something else I shold do ? | |
| 09:29 | chris: I think I fetched (git pull?) but perhaps the second part is missing ? | |
| 09:30 | chris | a pull is a fetch + merge |
| 09:30 | a little bit different | |
| 09:31 | |Lupin| | chris: ok... so what should I do ? |
| 09:31 | chris | but if the patch had been accepted, then it would have not been made |
| 09:31 | what number is it, both patches arent 0001 are they? | |
| 09:31 | |Lupin| | chris: no, the old one is 001 and the new one is 002 |
| 09:32 | chris: the commit name for the old one is commit 2889603e0eb98980ed74d8ed678069ee823feed5 | |
| 09:34 | chris | hmmm |
| 09:35 | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]d678069ee823feed5 | |
| 09:35 | thats the last commit in the master branch | |
| 09:46 | |Lupin| | chris: yeah this one is displayed in git log |
| 09:47 | chris: ah, maybe the 0001 was un old file that shold have been deleted... after deleting 000* and re-runningdarcs format-patch origin, everything seems to be fine | |
| 09:50 | chris | s/darcs/git/ :) |
| 09:53 | |Lupin| | chris: ooooops ! |
| 09:53 | chris | kf: http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]g2_serialNumber=1 <-- like the book on the right? |
| 10:11 | kf | chris: dont know that one - does kahurangi learn German? :) |
| 10:15 | chris | he has books in german, french, maori and english |
| 10:16 | my father did his degree in russian, with french and german minors, so he reads to him :) (He is a licensed translator and interpreter for Maori too) | |
| 10:20 | kf | cool |
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| 11:51 | |Lupin| | hi Nicole ! |
| 11:51 | nice to see you online ! | |
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| 12:51 | jdavidb | Hiya, owen and Colin. :) |
| 12:51 | owen | Hi |
| 12:51 | Colin | Hi |
| 12:54 | chris_n | g'morning |
| 12:57 | jwagner | Morning, all |
| 12:57 | owen, Kyle Hall just sent a patch to allow superlibrarians to delete messages from any branch. | |
| 12:58 | owen | Awesome. |
| 12:59 | kyle++ | |
| 13:00 | jwagner | Agreed :-) I think you're working on patches for the display suggestions you made, correct? |
| 13:00 | owen | I submitted some on Friday |
| 13:01 | I may not have submitted the one for the OPAC yet, merging the message lists, can't remember. | |
| 13:08 | jwagner | OK, I won't do anything along those lines myself then. |
| 13:19 | kf | is there an easy way to not show marc and expanded marc view in opac? I found sys prefs for staff, but not for opac. |
| 13:23 | owen | kf, you could add "#MARCview { display:none; }" to your stylesheet (or to your OpacUserCSS pref) |
| 13:24 | kf | owen: thx! thats really easy and nothing I thought of! |
| 13:24 | owen | For both: "#MARCview, #MARCviewPop { display: none; }" |
| 13:25 | I think it's worth filing a bug, though. There ought to be an OPAC version of the preferences you saw | |
| 13:26 | kf | will do :) your css worked like a charm - librarian will be happy |
| 13:28 | * owen | did the same to hide ISBD in his catalog |
| 13:29 | kf | librarian likes isbd - but found mistakes in it she wants me to correct. |
| 13:30 | owen | I've forgotten what little I knew about the ISBD formatting syntax. |
| 13:33 | kf | I have a lot of other tickets so that I can procrastinate this for a while ;) |
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| 14:05 | * owen | is happy to hear about Kyle doing work for PTFS. The more [paid] programmers the merrier! |
| 14:09 | jwagner | Yes, he's done several nifty features for us. |
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| 14:11 | owen | Hi valczir_work |
| 14:11 | valczir_work | hey, owen |
| 14:15 | jwagner | owen, just used that display: none trick for something completely different. Thanks -- I can cross that mod off my list :-) |
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| 14:16 | owen | Handy stuff. You just have to worry now about your users who surf the web with stylesheets turned off ;) |
| 14:16 | jwagner | On Their Own Heads Be It! |
| 14:17 | owen | Yeah, that's what I figure too. |
| 14:19 | wizzyrea | ooh, harsh |
| 14:19 | ;)_ | |
| 14:19 | j/k | |
| 14:21 | owen | Hi wizzyrea, how's it going? |
| 14:21 | * jdavidb | has no problem telling users, "Then Don't Do That." |
| 14:24 | kf | jdavidb: the problem is you have to repeat it too often |
| 14:26 | jdavidb | That's just one of the perils of being in the IT business, kf. The most-common problem in most IT is the one that exists between the keyboard and the chair. |
| 14:26 | I try to code around that problem; enforce things with the code, or make so the admin can. But you can't do that for everything. | |
| 14:29 | kf | i think its the most-common problem in every business |
| 14:31 | jdavidb | Seems likely. Computers don't often *make* errors on their own; track back a couple of steps, and you find a programmer who goofed. Human Error. |
| 14:31 | wizzyrea | it's going ok :) |
| 14:32 | I think I had nightmares about vendor specific koha last night | |
| 14:32 | * kf | spent hours yesterday searching bug in my code to find out I forgot to update German templates |
| 14:33 | gives wizzyrea some virtual chocolate | |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | kf: thanks. :) |
| 14:34 | jdavidb | That would be a nightmare! |
| 14:34 | kf | I m an expert in koha nightmares - will be glad when our library is finally live |
| 14:36 | jdavidb | I had one last week where a training trip to a customer site (which, I *do* have upcoming) turned into a permanent change of duty station. They ponied the money to have me full-time on their stuff. |
| 14:39 | jwagner | jdavidb, tired of us already????? |
| 14:40 | jdavidb | Not even, jwagner. You know where that upcoming trip is--can you *imagine* me moving there? |
| 14:40 | jwagner | Probably not..... |
| 14:41 | jdavidb | Sure it's probably a nice place and all, since one of my favorite people is *from* there...but...probably not for me. |
| 14:41 | jwagner | Speaking of bad dreams, many years ago I was managing the migration from an old ILS to Unicorn. That meant I had to learn a _lot_ about MARC and other data in a hurry. By the end of that migration, I was dreaming in MARC record format. That's REALLY traumatic for a non-librarian..... |
| 14:42 | kf | cant top that |
| 14:42 | jwagner | Still trying to forget that experience.... |
| 14:46 | Colin | I think over the years I've learnt more about various MARCs than is compatible with sanity |
| 14:47 | jwagner | Colin, if you REALLY want to go crazy, try working with COSATI format. Non-MARC, used primarily for U.S. govt research documents, and hideous in all regards. |
| 14:47 | * jdavidb | would say that MARC has driven him insane, but that presumes he was sane in the first place. |
| 14:48 | jwagner | jdavidb, I'm not gonna comment. I'm not gonna comment. I'm not gonna comment.... |
| 14:48 | jdavidb | Chicken. |
| 14:48 | jwagner | Awk! |
| 14:48 | Colin | yes formats in the hands of the government, that's really scary |
| 14:49 | jwagner | It's not in the "hands" of the government, but it was government librarians who developed it. Even Worse! |
| 14:49 | wizzyrea | omg. have you guys seen the pics of chris's kid dressed up as a punk? |
| 14:49 | Hil. ar. i. ous. | |
| 14:49 | jwagner | And at some point I may have to do some development for COSATI with Koha. |
| 14:49 | Colin | at which point we all hide |
| 14:50 | jwagner | Including me. |
| 14:56 | valczir_work | jwagner: I have a picture in my head of a mad scientist hiding behind a thick wall, eyes poking over the top, carefully reaching over the wall to drip some substance into another one |
| 14:57 | jdavidb | valczir_work: How'd you get that picture of my office? :P |
| 14:59 | valczir_work | jdavidb: it's all over the 'net |
| 15:03 | jwagner | I used to work with mad scientists.... At a safe distance, of course :-) |
| 15:04 | owen | wizzyrea: I loved the one of yours crashed on the bedroom floor |
| 15:43 | wizzyrea | oh yea that was hilarious |
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| 15:56 | kf | photoshop-- |
| 15:57 | made a typo in logo, now photoshop tells me .psd-file is broken *wants to cry* | |
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| 16:38 | kf | bye #koha :) |
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| 17:02 | jwagner | Does anyone know where to put a customized favicon.ico image? I tried putting it in koha-tmpl (where there was an existing one), but it's not showing up. I've cleared my browser cache and refreshed the page with no luck. Do you have to do anything else to get it to work? |
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| 17:04 | sekjal | jwagner: I think koha-tmpl only occurs in the code as it's bundled, not as it's installed. |
| 17:05 | * chris_n | actually gets a response to a question about unicode, diacriticals, and pdf from a pdf platform architect at Adobe.... wow! |
| 17:05 | jwagner | sekjal, not sure what you mean there. |
| 17:06 | sekjal | I think you need to put the favicon in /opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/includes |
| 17:06 | or run 'make upgrade' | |
| 17:06 | chris_n | adobe++ #for being helpful on a FOSS project |
| 17:07 | sekjal | the code has two different directory structures: one for how it's distributed, and another when its installed |
| 17:08 | I don't think that the koha-tmpl directory exists anywhere in the installed tree | |
| 17:08 | jwagner | It's there in the git install, which is what I'm working from -- kohaclone/koha-tmpl/etc. |
| 17:09 | (Sorry -- etc. in the sense of et cetera, not a directory named etc) | |
| 17:09 | sekjal | right |
| 17:10 | but i think the 'live' version that the server recognizes is at /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/...../en/includes | |
| 17:10 | at least, that's where it winds up when I installed it | |
| 17:11 | its confusing | |
| 17:11 | to me, at least | |
| 17:12 | I've been trying to get my institutional development plan drafted up, and I think that this whole thing implies we'll have to reinstall/upgrade every time we want to test a newly coded feature | |
| 17:13 | jwagner | Are you a git install or a tarball install? |
| 17:13 | sekjal | originally tarball, but I upgraded from git |
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| 17:21 | jwagner | Hmmm. Following up on the favicon, for our git install, the image seems to need to go into koha-tmpl, koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes, and koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/includes. We have multiple instances on this machine, and the Koha install doesn't look at /usr/share at all. |
| 17:22 | sekjal | jwagner: ok |
| 17:23 | jwagner | I'm the lowliest novice on git, but for testing new features, shouldn't you be able to create a new branch for them? |
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| 17:25 | sekjal | yes, indeed. but if the code is in one arrangement on git, and another when installed, then to get my server to recognize code, I'd have to install/upgrade each time |
| 17:25 | saying that, it really seems like I'm missing something | |
| 17:28 | jwagner | I'm going to have to let one of the pros answer that. I would think that different branches should work except perhaps where it modifies the database, but I'm pretty fuzzy on specifics. |
| 17:31 | sekjal | its just the two different directories that are throwing me. should my server be looking at the directory I pulled from Git? |
| 17:31 | what about the Makefile? | |
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| 17:34 | cait_laptop | sekjal: you want to make a dev install? |
| 17:34 | chris | sekjal: the difference is, doing a dev install |
| 17:34 | chris_n | sekjal: from the root of your git clone run a dev install |
| 17:34 | chris | *snap* |
| 17:35 | * chris_n | thinks not even *paid* support responds faster ;-) |
| 17:35 | chris_n | g'morning chris |
| 17:35 | chris | morning |
| 17:35 | sekjal | wow |
| 17:35 | thank you all | |
| 17:35 | that clears things up immensely | |
| 17:35 | jdavidb | Howdy, chris! :) |
| 17:36 | brendan | morning #koha |
| 17:36 | cait_laptop | morning chris |
| 17:36 | chris_n | heya brendan |
| 17:36 | brendan | :) |
| 17:36 | paul_p | morning to everyone that is at morning time (for me, it's 7:35PM ;-) ) |
| 17:37 | brendan | well then -- good evening paul_p |
| 17:37 | sekjal | good <localtime> to everyone |
| 17:37 | jdavidb | Good evening, paul_p, and cait_laptop. :) |
| 17:37 | owen | jwagner: Did you get your favicon sorted out? |
| 17:37 | cait_laptop | good evening jdavidb |
| 17:37 | * owen | has always found favicons difficult to test because of caching issues |
| 17:38 | chris | paul_p: thanks for the linkedin recommendation :) |
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| 17:45 | cait_laptop | chris: wrote to German translation mailing list that I will edit po-files locally till saturday. beda says its ok and I think he is the only other who can approve suggestions. |
| 17:46 | chris | excellent |
| 17:46 | jwagner | owen, yes favicon is now working (after severe Firefox armtwisting). |
| 17:47 | owen, another question for you, though. Trying to use jquery to rename Add to Your Cart to Add to Your Bookbag. I've done it before & it worked, but this time (latest Koha if that matters) it's replacing it one place but not on the box at upper right of an OPAC record display (Print, Add to Your Cart, More Searches). The label looks the same. | |
| 17:48 | Here's what I'm using -- can you see the problem? $(document).ready(function(){ | |
| 17:48 | $("a.addtocart").html("Add to Your Bookbag"); | |
| 17:48 | }); | |
| 17:48 | owen | Changing Cart to Bookbag is a huge can of worms. Cart of worms? |
| 17:49 | jwagner | Bookworms? |
| 17:49 | owen | There are too many places where the word "Cart" is used to be able to do this cleanly. |
| 17:49 | pianohacker | *rimshot* |
| 17:49 | chris | the best way to do it |
| 17:49 | joetho | owen changes nickname to cartman |
| 17:49 | chris | is to use the translation tools |
| 17:49 | owen | joetho: Oh great, thanks :| |
| 17:49 | * jdavidb | groans. Gettin' deep in here. |
| 17:49 | chris | eg, i have en_NZ |
| 17:50 | for both opac and intranet | |
| 17:50 | changes catalog to catalogue, check out to issue etc | |
| 17:50 | jwagner | But it puzzles me why this same code works on another site & does replace that particular label. |
| 17:50 | * owen | agrees with chris that this seems the logical way to do it |
| 17:50 | jdavidb | chris: That's where you have all your extra U and S characters, right? ;-) |
| 17:50 | chris | you only have to translate the words you want different |
| 17:50 | joetho | I wonder about stuff like this (cart vs bookbag) and all the translations. |
| 17:51 | jwagner | Both of the places I'm trying to change start with <a class=addtocart and one works/other doesn't. |
| 17:52 | For this particular site, since I have a lot of other customizations, I may just do it as a template change. Not the best solution, but if I can't make the jquery work I might go for the easy solution :-) | |
| 17:53 | owen | jwagner: the "add to cart" link on the detail page is very different from the "add to cart" button in the search bar |
| 17:53 | Is that the other place you're referring to? | |
| 17:53 | chris | jwagner: the translation way is the most portable way |
| 17:54 | jwagner | No, there's an add to cart link in the results list -- that one changed OK. |
| 17:54 | chris | http://translate.koha.org/en_USACADEMIC/ something like that |
| 17:54 | jwagner | I'll have to look into translations at some point, but right now I'm trying for "quick and out of my hair".... |
| 17:54 | cait_laptop | speaking of translation... |
| 17:54 | how to make this show up in po-file? <optgroup label="Dates"> | |
| 17:55 | chris | quick and out of my hair now = omg what is stuck in my hair in 3 months time |
| 17:55 | :) | |
| 17:55 | jwagner | And I just started letting my hair grow out, too. Maybe I should get it cut again.... |
| 17:55 | chris | cait_laptop: we will fix that for 3.2.0 |
| 17:55 | owen | jwagner: an add to cart link in the results list? That's a drop-down menu. |
| 17:57 | cait_laptop | chris: so its more complicated? I hoped I could do it |
| 17:57 | jwagner | Under each title in the results list, where it says Actions, there's an Add to Your Cart link, and the jquery changed that to Bookbag OK. It just won't do it on the detail page in that box to the right-hand side. |
| 17:58 | owen | Oh right, sorry |
| 17:58 | jwagner | Gotta run to a meeting -- back in a bit. |
| 17:59 | chris | cait_laptop: yeah i think its a little tricky to do |
| 17:59 | owen | $("a.addtocart").html("Add to Book Bag"); |
| 17:59 | That works for me in both places | |
| 18:02 | cait_laptop | chris: ok :) I will wait. |
| 18:03 | seeing owen using jquery for renaming things - would this work for optgroups in sort by pull down too? | |
| 18:04 | owen | As an interim solution while you're waiting for proper translation? I think so--at least for your javascript-enabled users |
| 18:05 | cait_laptop | our librarian is a little unhappy about it |
| 18:06 | so an interim solution would be nice | |
| 18:06 | owen | give me a moment and I'll give it a try |
| 18:07 | paul_p | chris: M. Bastareaud just sentenced to do 18 "general interest works for the amatteur rugby", before june 2010 |
| 18:07 | cait_laptop | owen: thx a lot! |
| 18:07 | chris | paul_p: so he wont be playing with NZ play France in Marseille ? |
| 18:08 | owen | cait_laptop: An example: |
| 18:08 | $("optgroup[label='EnglishLabel']").attr("label","Translation"); | |
| 18:08 | chris | s/with/when/ |
| 18:08 | paul_p | chris: dunno, he can continue doing his job and to the GIW on spare time. |
| 18:09 | owen | cait_laptop: Do you know where to plug that in? |
| 18:09 | chris | paul_p: ahhh ok |
| 18:09 | cait_laptop | I have used some of your tricks to kill some fields in memberentry before |
| 18:09 | give me 2 minutes to try :) | |
| 18:09 | paul_p | I think he could be selected, but, seeing the buzz in NZ, I wouldn't be surprised if the french federations decided not to call him... |
| 18:10 | chris | yes, i think it would be a hard game for him if he played |
| 18:13 | cait_laptop | owen: works great (as always :) ) |
| 18:14 | thx! | |
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| 18:15 | jdavidb | Two Colins? Wow. Maybe PTFS Europe has solved the degredation problem in cloning--bet both of them are wizards with the code! |
| 18:17 | owen | Sure, that's how chris_n got the labels system upgraded |
| 18:18 | jdavidb | I'm pleased as punch, if there are two. The one we had already is a top-shelf colleague. Writes good code, great to work with, and (apparently) never sleeps. |
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| 18:20 | pianohacker | hmm, I need to talk to him; I need one me for school, and one to work on the poor, neglected sysprefs editor |
| 18:21 | chris_n | $alter_ego = $self->clone($number_needed) |
| 18:22 | on second thought: $alter_ego = $self->clone(number => $number_needed, improvements => @a_whole_array_of_them) | |
| 18:23 | owen | I'll take a clone if there's a way to sync our brains after we've been apart. |
| 18:23 | Maybe through iTunes? | |
| 18:23 | * jdavidb | shudders |
| 18:24 | jdavidb | Need to make sure the protocol is not too lossy. |
| 18:25 | I'd just let my clones each become subject-matter experts, and we could do trainings in relays. :P | |
| 18:25 | ColinC is now known as Colin | |
| 18:25 | chris_n | lol |
| 18:25 | Colin | The cloning failed it was just my evil twin |
| 18:25 | jdavidb | Ah. Rats. |
| 18:27 | * jdavidb | is the evil twin. |
| 18:27 | jwagner | But we Knew That! |
| 18:27 | pianohacker | jdavidb: I think you're missing the necessary goatee |
| 18:27 | * cait_laptop | found another untranslatable string |
| 18:27 | cait_laptop | $(".hold").text_("Place Hold"); ? |
| 18:27 | jwagner | owen, out of my meeting. I tried the $("a.addtocart").html("Add to Book Bag"); but it's still refusing to change the wording on that one spot. Sigh. |
| 18:28 | cait_laptop | ok _ does not work |
| 18:28 | jdavidb | I am missing it *now*, pianohacker; just recently shaved my face, after wearing a goatee for 20 years. The whole-beard thing you saw in April was less than a year old. |
| 18:28 | owen | cait_laptop: Where is that? |
| 18:28 | pianohacker | ahh |
| 18:28 | cait_laptop | opac-basket |
| 18:28 | in javascript part | |
| 18:28 | pianohacker | cait_laptop: embedded js or external file? |
| 18:29 | cait_laptop | embedded |
| 18:29 | owen | Yeah, it's a bug |
| 18:29 | cait_laptop | yeah, I know ;) |
| 18:29 | owen | There are a few untranslatable strings in there I see |
| 18:29 | cait_laptop | Tag is also not translatable |
| 18:30 | owen | Line 81 should more correctly read $(".hold").text(_("Place Hold")); |
| 18:30 | Line 87 should be $("#tagsel_tag").text(_("Tag")); | |
| 18:30 | These look familiar though, like there was a patch recently for it. It may already be in line for 3.2 | |
| 18:31 | cait_laptop | I did a patch for this text on list interface |
| 18:32 | owen | Maybe that's what I'm thinking of |
| 18:32 | cait_laptop | you helped me with it, so maybe :) |
| 18:32 | I will add a bug report later and correct it | |
| 18:32 | have to catch my bus now - quiz night at local irish pub with colleagues | |
| 18:33 | owen | Hmmm... Why is there no delete button on addbiblio.pl? Maybe because the page doesn't know whether there are items attached? |
| 18:33 | cait_laptop | thx for your help and bye :) |
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| 18:34 | pianohacker | Probably. also, it doesn't seem like a very typical workflow |
| 18:34 | owen | Hey man you got a problem with my workflow? |
| 18:34 | * owen | blusters |
| 18:36 | wizzyrea | ooh, I love it when Owen gets all uppity. |
| 18:36 | pianohacker | hehe |
| 18:37 | * jdavidb | hands owen and pianohacker boxing gloves. Just one, for pianohacker. |
| 18:37 | pianohacker | Yeah I got a problem with your workflow bub |
| 18:38 | * jdavidb | opens up the betting windows. |
| 18:41 | pianohacker | The last time I got into a fight, it was far more ridiculous than threatening |
| 18:41 | So keep your money :) | |
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| 18:41 | * jdavidb | put a horseshoe into *one* of the three boxing gloves. Y'all figure out which. |
| 18:43 | joetho | you? pianohacker, in a fight? I would pay money to have witnessed that. I hope you didn't actually get punched, though... |
| 18:43 | pianohacker | Anyway. owen: it seems to me like you'd normally want to delete after looking at the normal or marc views, but I could be wrong |
| 18:44 | owen | What I really want is the ability to delete a biblio with items attached from the normal view. |
| 18:44 | pianohacker | joetho: hah, not at all, just some other geek that got angry at me and flailed at me for a bit |
| 18:45 | owen: yes, that would be nice. The current restriction seems a bit much | |
| 18:45 | joetho | Geek Wars! a new reality show idea. |
| 18:45 | pianohacker | hahaha |
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| 18:52 | chris | hi nicomo_laptop |
| 18:52 | nicomo_laptop | hi chris |
| 18:53 | up already? | |
| 18:53 | What time is it? | |
| 18:53 | 9pm here | |
| 18:53 | chris | nearly 8am |
| 18:53 | nicomo_laptop | ok |
| 18:53 | chris | daylight savings started on sunday |
| 18:53 | nicomo_laptop | ah, yes |
| 18:53 | * nicomo_laptop | never quite understood those |
| 18:54 | nicomo_laptop | I have to say I had a wretched day |
| 18:54 | let's hope tomorrow's better | |
| 18:54 | chris | hehe, yeah just makes it harder to get the kid to go to bed "but the sun is shining" |
| 18:54 | * chris | hopes so too |
| 18:54 | chris | what went wrong? |
| 18:54 | nicomo_laptop | anything that could did |
| 18:54 | basically :-) | |
| 18:54 | * owen | hates the DST bedtime issue as well |
| 18:55 | nicomo_laptop | my daughter likes to sleep so much she doesn't care one way or the other |
| 18:55 | boy do I love her | |
| 18:56 | sunday morning I had to wake her up at 9:30am because we were going to meet friends | |
| 18:56 | chris | heh that rules :) |
| 18:57 | of course once she is a teenager, it wont be fun anymore "GO TO SCHOOL!!!!" | |
| 18:57 | :) | |
| 18:57 | nicomo_laptop | yeah |
| 18:57 | but at 5, taht rules | |
| 18:57 | chris | yup :) |
| 18:57 | nicomo_laptop | I have time before she's a teenager |
| 18:59 | * chris | goes to catch his bus |
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| 19:02 | wizzyrea | nerd fight, fighting nerds, they don't use fists, they use words! |
| 19:09 | * nicomo_laptop | goes to bed, have a good day all |
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| 19:10 | owen | I thought nerds fought with flashlights while making light saber noises. |
| 19:11 | * jdavidb | pulls out his blue plastic light saber, and duels like the President. |
| 19:12 | pianohacker | whoom |
| 19:13 | * jdavidb | was about to say, "When did we last see a President doing something silly like that," then remembers Dubya holding the flag up *backwards* during the Beijing Olympics, and decides to say nothing... |
| 19:14 | owen | To this nerd, there's a good silly and a not-so-good silly |
| 19:15 | * jdavidb | nods. |
| 19:15 | pianohacker | man should have a sense of humor; only thing that'll keep him from going insane |
| 19:15 | jdavidb | There is silly, and there is clueless. |
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| 19:20 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: around ? |
| 19:20 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: yep |
| 19:22 | hdl_laptop | I have pushed some more things on CodeRunBase you can see that on koha-biblibre.git |
| 19:22 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 19:23 | hdl_laptop | I wondered if you had any schedule for integration of this branch ? |
| 19:23 | gmcharlt | at this point, before the Koha meeting next week |
| 19:23 | hdl_laptop | I have pushed some more things on CodeRunBase you can see that on koha-biblibre.git (branch master |
| 19:23 | ) | |
| 19:25 | This branch is based on current master. So it should not be too much of a burden to take it. | |
| 19:26 | "atomic updates" should get into updatedatabase.pl in order to have all the database updates for this branch | |
| 19:32 | chris | back |
| 19:33 | hdl_laptop | hi chris |
| 19:39 | chris | heya hdl_laptop, working late? |
| 19:40 | hdl_laptop | yes. |
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| 19:43 | richard | hi |
| 19:44 | pianohacker | hello |
| 19:44 | richard | hiya pianohacker |
| 19:44 | chris | morning richard |
| 19:44 | richard | hey chris |
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| 21:38 | owen | Anyone have any numbers for highest-circ library using Koha? |
| 21:39 | chris | not me |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | not it |
| 21:39 | chris | im guessing NEU is still near the top |
| 21:40 | owen | NPL's peak was almost 650K in '04 |
| 21:41 | chris | (im thinking NEU cos academic libraries do stupidly high amounts of circ) |
| 21:41 | owen | I had someone ask me about performance, so I was curious. |
| 21:41 | chris | but there might be a bigger academic now |
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| 21:45 | hdl_laptop | owen there is a serious perf issue because items are inside the marcxml |
| 21:46 | Either we part item and biblios Or we throw marcxml away in order to use YAML. | |
| 21:46 | chris | yes circ is slower now than it was, we can fix that (and we will fix that) |
| 21:46 | hdl_laptop | I prefer the first solution. |
| 21:46 | chris | we should be just using the items table |
| 21:46 | thats what it is for | |
| 21:47 | hdl_laptop | yes But search can search for branch and onloan and all that stuff. |
| 21:47 | (and those are items values.) | |
| 21:47 | chris | we are talking about circulation |
| 21:47 | not searching | |
| 21:48 | there should be a process to update the xml, outside of the circ process, like updating zebra | |
| 21:48 | waiting to parse the xml everytime you issue something is inefficient | |
| 21:48 | hdl_laptop | If you allow ppl to search for only onshelves items, then both are related. |
| 21:49 | chris | yes, but they shouldnt be |
| 21:49 | hdl_laptop | i agree. |
| 21:49 | But in my opinion, we should definetely have a 'holding' database | |
| 21:50 | And not rely only on biblio | |
| 21:51 | then both would be really separated, and we would not have the problem of xml parsing and then regenerating. | |
| 21:51 | chris | *nod* |
| 21:52 | hdl_laptop | Moreover, generating xml record for items would be much faster than a biblio which has 100 items |
| 21:52 | And marcxml for biblios would be lighter | |
| 21:52 | It is also related to searching in authorities before searching biblios | |
| 21:53 | chris | yep |
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| 22:09 | Jo | spot quizz: who are the big Koha consortias of public libraries throughout the world? |
| 22:10 | chris | NEKLS |
| 22:10 | Masscat ?? | |
| 22:10 | SEKLS? | |
| 22:10 | nengard probably knows more than me | |
| 22:11 | nengard | those sound about right |
| 22:11 | chris | CKLS .. how big are they? |
| 22:11 | and incolsa? | |
| 22:11 | nengard | not sure |
| 22:11 | Jo | ASCC |
| 22:11 | chris | ASCC arent live afaik |
| 22:12 | Jo | working on the outline of the prsebntation chris and i are doing at conference soon... |
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| 22:12 | Jo | (may not get a formalpaper written ... but should be able to wing it aye Chris!) |
| 22:13 | chris | ive never written a full presentation yet |
| 22:13 | Jo | goodo |
| 22:13 | nengard | one of my old slide shows had a list of consortia in it |
| 22:13 | hang on | |
| 22:13 | Jo | Nicole - go baby! |
| 22:13 | have you got a list of the cool features 3.0 has over more usual LMS | |
| 22:14 | Chris: thinking is the ideal stage to promote Koha for the nz wide lynsync | |
| 22:15 | chris | yep |
| 22:16 | nengard | Crawford County Federated Library System |
| 22:16 | 9 member libraries; 246,616 items; 518,382 annual circulation | |
| 22:16 | Independently Cooperating Ashtabula Network (ICAN) | |
| 22:16 | 6 member libraries; 166,597 bibs | |
| 22:16 | Central Kansas Library System | |
| 22:16 | 31 member libraries | |
| 22:16 | Indiana Cooperative Library Services Authority (INCOLSA) | |
| 22:16 | 30 member libraries | |
| 22:16 | MassCat | |
| 22:16 | 100+ member libraries | |
| 22:16 | Northeast Kansas Library System | |
| 22:16 | 116 member libraries | |
| 22:17 | chris | NEKLS is the size of NZ :) |
| 22:17 | nengard | that data is out of date |
| 22:17 | Jo | fantastic |
| 22:17 | nengard | from an old presentation i did |
| 22:17 | Jo | too out of date to use? |
| 22:17 | in a presentation in NZ? | |
| 22:17 | or is it 'c2008" | |
| 22:17 | chris | well, they wont have gotten any smaller :) |
| 22:18 | Jo | thanks Nicole |
| 22:18 | thoise are all in the states | |
| 22:18 | are there others in Europe? India? Africa? | |
| 22:18 | nengard | it was dated 3/3/2009 |
| 22:18 | Jo | south america? |
| 22:19 | ok cool - thats current enough to use. | |
| 22:19 | nengard | no clue about those |
| 22:19 | Jo | Chris: we should've just got Nicole to do this for us you know .. |
| 22:20 | chris | heh |
| 22:20 | Jo | (she does these presentations in her sleep :) |
| 22:21 | nengard | all my presentations are online |
| 22:21 | on slideshare and on my website | |
| 22:21 | feel free to steal | |
| 22:22 | http://www.web2learning.net/pu[…]ons-presentations | |
| 22:22 | Jo | oh cool - thanks Nicole. thats really generous. |
| 22:22 | nengard | http://www.slideshare.net/nengard |
| 22:22 | no prob at all | |
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| 22:27 | nengard | list list found on lib-web-cats: |
| 22:27 | Automation System Consortia Colorado. ( United States) Display all the libraries participating in: Automation System Consortia Colorado [web site ] [Koha -- LibLime] + | |
| 22:27 | Big Country Library System. ( Abilene, TX United States) Display all the libraries participating in: Big Country Library System [web site ] [Koha -- LibLime] + | |
| 22:27 | Central Kansas Library System. ( Great Bend, KS United States) Display all the libraries participating in: Central Kansas Library System [web site ] [Koha -- LibLime] + | |
| 22:27 | Crawford County Federated Library System. ( Meadville, PA United States) Display all the libraries participating in: Crawford County Federated Library System [web site ] [online catalog] [Koha -- LibLime] + | |
| 22:27 | INCOLSA, Inc.. ( Indianapolis, IN United States) Display all the libraries participating in: Shared Catalog of Indiana Online [web site ] [Koha -- LibLime] + | |
| 22:27 | Independently Cooperating Ashtabula Network. ( Jefferson, OH United States) Display all the libraries participating in: Independently Cooperating Ashtabula Network [web site ] [Koha -- LibLime] | |
| 22:27 | MassCat. ( South Deerfield, MA United States) Display all the libraries participating in: MassCat [web site ] [Koha -- LibLime] | |
| 22:27 | Metrowest Massachusetts Regional Library System. ( Waltham, MA United States) Display all the libraries participating in: MassCat [Koha -- LibLime] | |
| 22:27 | Northeast Kansas Library System. ( Lawrence, KS United States) Display all the libraries participating in: Northeast Kansas Library System [web site ] [online catalog] [Koha -- LibLime] + | |
| 22:28 | Northeast Massachusetts Regional Library System. ( Danvers, MA United States) Display all the libraries participating in: MassCat [Koha -- LibLime] | |
| 22:28 | Saugeen Library Consortium. ( Hanover, ON Canada) Display all the libraries participating in: Saugeen Library Consortium [web site ] [Koha -- Independent] + | |
| 22:28 | South Central Library System. ( Madison, WI United States) Display all the libraries participating in: South Central Library System [web site ] [online catalog] [Koha -- LibLime] + | |
| 22:28 | Southeast Kansas Library System (SEKLS). ( Iola, KS United States) Display all the libraries participating in: Southeast Kansas Regional Library System [web site ] [Koha -- LibLime] | |
| 22:28 | Southwest School Corporation . ( Sullivan, IN United States) Display all the libraries participating in: Shared Catalog of Indiana Online [web site ] [Koha -- LibLime] | |
| 22:28 | Walla Walla Area Library Network. ( Walla Walla, WA United States) Display all the libraries participating in: Walla Walla Area Library Network [web site ] [Koha -- LibLime] + | |
| 22:28 | West Texas Library System. ( Lubbock, TX United States) Display all the libraries participating in: West Texas Library System [web site ] [Koha -- LibLime] + | |
| 22:28 | still mostly US .... | |
| 22:28 | pianohacker | Ahghhh pasteflood |
| 22:28 | nengard | search here: http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]earch-advanced.pl |
| 22:28 | sorry | |
| 22:29 | pianohacker | Interesting info, though :) didn't know there were that many |
| 22:29 | nengard | i'm sure there's more - not everyone puts their info on lib-web-cats |
| 22:30 | hdl_laptop | SAN Ouest -Provence is sbout 300000 items |
| 22:30 | in France | |
| 22:35 | * chris | shows nengard http://koha.pastebin.com :-) |
| 22:35 | Jo | thanks |
| 22:35 | (can you teach me how to copy from irc too) | |
| 22:36 | chris | its all in the log jo |
| 22:36 | Jo | cool :) |
| 22:37 | there are gajillions in France | |
| 22:37 | chris | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]09-09-28#i_311981 |
| 22:38 | Jo | ok its all toomuch - koha is just too prevalent around the world to talk about .. its like a virus :) |
| 22:39 | chris | yeah we should just say. "Who is using koha? ... who isnt using koha" |
| 22:39 | Jo | lol - ok |
| 22:39 | WE've got USA, France, South America and India pretty much sewn up | |
| 22:39 | Africa coming onboard prettu quick and Europe next | |
| 22:40 | pianohacker | Time to log off for day, cya koha |
| 22:40 | Jo | cya |
| 22:40 | chris | cya pianohacker |
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| 22:40 | Jo | Chris:i need that visualization tool / map og koha installs |
| 22:41 | chris | yeah, ill do something |
| 22:58 | chris_n^2 | chris: can you configure the channel so that when someone pastes to koha.pastebin.com a notice is posted to the channel? |
| 22:58 | * chris_n^2 | saw something like this on #perl |
| 22:58 | chris | probably some bot does it |
| 22:58 | but yeah, i probably could | |
| 22:59 | rhcl is now known as rhcl_away | |
| 22:59 | chris | make either munin or the log bot do it |
| 22:59 | pastebot | |
| 22:59 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/pastebot/ | |
| 23:01 | and its perl, sweet | |
| 23:01 | chris_n^2 | yeah, it would be a nice addition |
| 23:01 | chris | ill give it a go |
| 23:01 | chris_n^2 | http://p3m.org/pfn/perl |
| 23:01 | for example | |
| 23:03 | chris | yep thats it |
| 23:08 | chris_n^2 | I actually got a positive response from an insider at Adobe concerning some of the unicode difficulties we've been having with the labels pdf code |
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| 23:08 | * chris_n^2 | greats pastebot |
| 23:09 | chris | i have to set up the web side of it |
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| 23:10 | chris_n^2 | greets even |
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| 23:13 | chris | which ill need to do at home when i can poke my firewall |
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| 23:13 | chris | but yep, shouldnt be hard to do |
| 23:19 | chris_n^2 | does anyone have a few unicode bibs with lots of diacriticals they could send my way? |
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| 23:27 | pianohacker | chris_n++ # for working on labels unicode problems, tough and touchy problem |
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