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| 03:16 | Amit joined #koha | |
| 03:16 | Amit | hi chris |
| 03:16 | good morning #koha | |
| 03:17 | pianohacker | Good evening |
| 03:17 | chris | hi amit, and hi again pianohacker ... nearly time for sleep eh? |
| 03:18 | Amit | hi pianohacker |
| 03:18 | pianohacker | chris: Yes, as soon as I get this last bit of school in (and savor fantasies of revenge upon my teachers) |
| 03:18 | It's been a long weekend | |
| 03:18 | chris | hehe |
| 03:23 | phasefx_ | sleep is for the ukraine |
| 03:24 | Amit | heya phasefx_ |
| 03:24 | chris | still sick phasefx_ ? |
| 03:24 | pianohacker | I can sleep when I'm dead |
| 03:24 | phasefx_ | bleh, I'm functioning :) |
| 03:24 | Amit | chris: India no 1 team for only 24 hrs |
| 03:26 | chris | yeah sri lanka played well |
| 03:27 | Amit | yes |
| 03:27 | pianohacker | (disclaimer for log readers; in the above, I'm kidding! mostly.) |
| 03:27 | Amit | today is final |
| 03:28 | chris | yep |
| 03:28 | Amit | in champion trophy first match india vs pakistan |
| 03:28 | on 26 sep | |
| 03:28 | chris | hmm that will be an interesting game, i think india will win though |
| 03:28 | Amit | hmm |
| 03:29 | who is your favorite team | |
| 03:30 | chris | of course i will be hoping nz can win .. but i think it will be between australia, south africa, india and sri lanka |
| 03:31 | Amit | hmm australia i m not in favour i don't like australian team |
| 03:31 | chris | me either, but they still win a lot |
| 03:31 | Amit | yes ur right |
| 03:32 | pianohacker | Good night, #koha |
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| 05:49 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 05:57 | chris | hi kf |
| 05:59 | kf | hi chris |
| 06:01 | Ropuch | Good morning |
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| 06:31 | Amit | hi Ropuch |
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| 06:47 | Amit | hi kf frederic |
| 06:47 | kf | hi Amit |
| 06:48 | chris | bon jour frederic |
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| 06:57 | Susan | Hi Everyone, I have a question, hope someone can help. |
| 06:57 | I have a dev machine (Koha) fully operational with Zebra and everything. The administrator created an exact vmware clone of the machine | |
| 06:57 | and now we have a Test machine with a different static IP. However I did zebra reindexing, reimporting, made sure all the services are started | |
| 06:58 | Yet when I create a record into Koha-Test, and after all the indexing happens, I still can't search for it. IT says it is not found, eventhough it is in the DB | |
| 06:58 | Is there an issue with Zebra+IP address changes? Because the DEV machine was setup with a different static IP | |
| 06:58 | Thanks :) | |
| 06:59 | chris | hmm check your koha-conf.xml |
| 07:00 | Susan | I have already. I changed it to the correct static ip and restarted apache |
| 07:00 | I am really unsure of how to proceed with this. It would be too much to re-install koha/everything on this Test machine.. | |
| 07:01 | chris | not the apache config |
| 07:01 | you koha-conf.xml | |
| 07:01 | Susan | the /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml |
| 07:01 | Yes I have done that.. | |
| 07:01 | chris | cool, and is zebra listening on a unix socket, or on an port? |
| 07:02 | Susan | This I have no clue..sorry..I don't remember how I setup zebra |
| 07:02 | I just followed a tutorial document of how to set it up, how do I know? | |
| 07:03 | chris | look for this line |
| 07:03 | <listen id="biblioserver" >unix:/home/chris/koha-dev/var/run/zebradb/bibliosocket</listen> | |
| 07:03 | Susan | in the koha-config.xml file?? |
| 07:03 | chris | (it wont be that exactly, but something similair) |
| 07:03 | yes | |
| 07:04 | Susan | ok let me see |
| 07:04 | chris | sorry one handed typing whle i hold a baby |
| 07:04 | Susan | hehe its alright, Thanks though :) |
| 07:04 | it says unix: | |
| 07:05 | unix:/var/run/koha/zebradb/bibliosocket | |
| 07:06 | chris | ok cool that looks good |
| 07:06 | now at the commandline | |
| 07:06 | type | |
| 07:06 | yaz-client | |
| 07:06 | Susan | ok |
| 07:06 | chris | then |
| 07:06 | when you are in yaz | |
| 07:07 | open unix:/var/run/koha/zebradb/bibliosocket | |
| 07:07 | Susan | I have to install yaz..I dont seem to have it |
| 07:07 | the yaz client anyways | |
| 07:08 | chris | ahh |
| 07:08 | one thing we can check is /var/log/koha/ | |
| 07:08 | is there anything in there? | |
| 07:09 | we are looking for the zebra log file | |
| 07:09 | Susan | The client it is searching on is different IP |
| 07:10 | [error][client 172.21.255.13] search.pl stuff....XXX | |
| 07:10 | But the machine static IP ends with 25 | |
| 07:10 | meaning thats the issue right? | |
| 07:10 | But I don't know what it means by "Client", is that the Yaz client? | |
| 07:11 | chris | well no thats the apache log |
| 07:11 | Susan | This is the koha-error_log |
| 07:11 | chris | yeah, thats apache |
| 07:11 | Susan | so, how do you recommend I proceed? STill install yaz client and look into the port? |
| 07:11 | chris | is there a somethingsomething-zebra log |
| 07:11 | Susan | Yes I will open it now |
| 07:11 | chris | cool |
| 07:12 | you can do | |
| 07:12 | tail -f thatfile | |
| 07:12 | then do a search on the website, and see what happens | |
| 07:13 | Susan | I am looking at the koha-zebradaemon-output.log |
| 07:13 | is that the right file? | |
| 07:13 | chris | should be |
| 07:14 | when you search does anything happen in there/ | |
| 07:14 | Susan | There are many issues I see. |
| 07:14 | There is zebra_lock_create fail on the file biblios/norm and biblios/shadow.. | |
| 07:14 | But I don't understand why that is, since everything I run is sudo | |
| 07:15 | chris | ahhhh |
| 07:15 | Susan | I like seeing Ahh |
| 07:15 | hehe | |
| 07:15 | what do I do now? :) | |
| 07:15 | chris | you might run as sudo |
| 07:16 | but the script to start it is trying to run as the koha user | |
| 07:16 | gotta go change a nappy be back in a minute | |
| 07:16 | Susan | I see..so should I then startup Zebra and zebra daemon as Koha user? |
| 07:16 | ok | |
| 07:16 | chris | well it will be trying to start as them |
| 07:16 | if yo uare using the scripts in in /etc/init.d | |
| 07:17 | but when you indexed it might have made the files to be owned by root | |
| 07:17 | brb | |
| 07:17 | Susan | ok |
| 07:23 | Thank you Chris. I got it fixed. Your a genius :)3 | |
| 07:23 | Good luck with the baby | |
| 07:25 | chris | cool, nappy changed, and the 3 year old is now ready for bed .. the 4 month old is falling asleep too .. in 20 more minutes i will have some peace hehe |
| 07:25 | glad it works now | |
| 07:26 | Susan | Thanks alot :) |
| 07:26 | appreciate it | |
| 07:26 | chris | just out of curiousity where in the world are you? europe? |
| 07:33 | Susan | sorry for the dleay |
| 07:33 | I am in the Middle east | |
| 07:33 | Abu Dhabi actually :) | |
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| 07:35 | Amit | hi paul |
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| 07:43 | chris | ahh cool Susan :) sorry i was putting my son to bed |
| 07:46 | Susan | no worries |
| 07:46 | I am at work, and I am using the web client not the MIRC..so i don't really know when there is a new message | |
| 07:46 | so I will be delayed also hehe | |
| 07:49 | chris | hi biblibre :) |
| 07:51 | Susan | Thx for the help, I will go now. Bye |
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| 07:51 | chris | nahuel: all ready for the code run? |
| 07:51 | nahuel | yap |
| 07:51 | it's time to begin | |
| 07:52 | chris | have fun :) |
| 07:52 | nahuel | you're going to bed ? |
| 07:52 | chris | not for a few more hours |
| 07:53 | nahuel | ok |
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| 07:59 | chris | hi Colin |
| 07:59 | Colin | Morning (or is it evening?) Chris |
| 08:00 | chris | evening for me |
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| 08:04 | chris | hi hdl_laptop |
| 08:04 | hdl_laptop | hi |
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| 08:18 | chris | hdl_laptop1: i just committed some more fixes to the virtualshelves test |
| 08:19 | hdl_laptop1 | are you asking me to test ? |
| 08:20 | chris | nope, just letting you know that you might wnat to pull from my branch at some point :) |
| 08:21 | hdl_laptop1 | ok. Will do |
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| 08:46 | chris | hi nicomo_laptop |
| 08:47 | nicomo_laptop | hi chris |
| 08:50 | kf | good morning nicomo |
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| 08:58 | nicomo_laptop | hi kf, hi all |
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| 10:09 | kf | back :) |
| 10:09 | chris | :) |
| 10:10 | kf | dont know what happened, was not able to reconnect for some time |
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| 10:11 | chris | hmm my norwegian isnt good enough to read this, hopefully google can help :) |
| 10:15 | i love google translate | |
| 10:20 | magnusenger: very good blog post | |
| 10:21 | magnusenger | thanks! I just read the google translated version, and it looks sort of ok, actually |
| 10:21 | not perfect, but probably understandable | |
| 10:21 | the post is intended as a "review" of what is going on, aimed at noregian librarians and others interested in koha | |
| 10:21 | chris | yep, few words that are not right, but enough that you can understand it |
| 10:22 | *nod* | |
| 10:24 | kf | German is cruel |
| 10:26 | magnusenger | kf: how so? |
| 10:26 | kf | cruel is perhaps not the right word, its not understandable in German with google translate |
| 10:26 | English is much better | |
| 10:27 | magnusenger | ah |
| 10:34 | by the way: i tried to learn German for 4 years in school so i'll agree that it's cruel in general... ;-) | |
| 10:39 | kf | Im glad I did not have to 'learn' it. I think it must be really difficult |
| 10:39 | Ropuch | Nah, all my friends that actually speak german are saying that it has quite simple grammar |
| 10:39 | They're complaining more about learning french | |
| 10:45 | kf | cant tell, tried to learn Russian and Japanese |
| 10:48 | but not very successful ;) | |
| 10:51 | chris | i only know maori and english |
| 10:51 | and little bits of other languages from travelling | |
| 10:54 | Ropuch | I'm to be sent to some DAAD german course this year, so then i can tell you how hard is to learn german ;> |
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| 11:07 | chris | i suspect polish is hard to learn too ;) |
| 11:11 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 11:12 | Ropuch | Hello |
| 11:12 | chris | hey there gmcharlt |
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| 11:36 | Amit | chris: one more century from Sachin Tendulkar |
| 11:36 | chris | yes 197-1 |
| 11:37 | could be 310+ | |
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| 11:47 | chris | hi jwagner |
| 11:51 | jwagner | Good morning (or evening) chris! |
| 11:52 | kf | hi jawagner |
| 11:53 | jwagner | hi kf |
| 11:53 | Looks like I missed all the fun on Friday :-( (blarsted site visites....) | |
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| 11:54 | chris | im sure the 'fun' will continue |
| 11:54 | a public git repo would end it all, and i would be ecstatic ... dreams are free huh | |
| 11:54 | jwagner | Well, tomorrow's meeting should be interesting anyway. |
| 11:55 | chris | yep |
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| 11:58 | hdl_laptop1 | hi gmcharlt |
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| 11:58 | gmcharlt | hi hdl_laptop1 |
| 11:58 | chris | hiya hedgesst |
| 11:58 | hedgesst | hi chris! |
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| 11:59 | chris | how are things going hedgesst |
| 11:59 | ? | |
| 11:59 | hedgesst | ok, another week begins... |
| 11:59 | chris | heh yep, already one day down for me |
| 12:00 | hedgesst | today's task is to get dimdim setup for a webinar on Friday |
| 12:02 | chris | ahh good luck |
| 12:02 | hedgesst | I like your shirt: http://www.cafepress.com/justobey.407428972 |
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| 12:03 | kf | does someone know a trick to get pootle to search for copy cataloging? (result contains copy and cataloging or better "copy cataloging"?) |
| 12:03 | chris | :) gotta get your laughs where you can |
| 12:05 | * jdavidb | must get one of those shirts... |
| 12:05 | chris | hedgesst: ive heard good things about dimdim but have never tried it |
| 12:05 | kf: i dont sorry | |
| 12:07 | kf | chris: no problem, just finished translation, but I found a better translation for copy cataloging and cant find them now :( |
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| 12:10 | Amit | hi galen |
| 12:10 | gmcharlt | hi Amit |
| 12:11 | chris | right it must be bed time, have a good day all and Illegitimi non carborundum |
| 12:11 | hdl_laptop1 | gmcharlt: I made up a CodeRunBase Branch |
| 12:12 | good night to you chris | |
| 12:12 | gmcharlt | g'night chris |
| 12:12 | hdl_laptop1: cool - let me know whenever you want me to pull from it | |
| 12:12 | hdl_laptop1 | not until Thursday. |
| 12:13 | gmcharlt | k |
| 12:13 | hdl_laptop1 | Will try and announce that on koha-devel |
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| 12:21 | chris_n | gmcharlt: did you see my patch correcting the labels css location we spoke of? |
| 12:22 | gmcharlt | chris_n: yep, looks fine |
| 12:22 | chris_n | great |
| 12:23 | I'm hoping to get some work in on the patron card code this week | |
| 12:23 | Mark__T | Hi, I'm thinking about some 'distributed' library thing and wonder if koha can be used for that. |
| 12:24 | hdl_laptop1 | can you detail ? |
| 12:24 | Mark__T | The idea is that there is no physical library, but patrons hold the book until someone else wants them |
| 12:25 | so patrons will be owners and location of books | |
| 12:27 | I need to figure out the details, but that's the rough idea | |
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| 12:28 | Mark__T | so if someone wnat's a book he can 'order' it, and it get's send to him by the guy who has it or he just picks it up at the other guys location |
| 12:35 | gmcharlt | Mark__T: how many patrons would be involved? I can see extending Koha's hold request system to do this |
| 12:36 | Mark__T | gmcharlt: I think not too many, that is way less than 1000 |
| 12:37 | but you never know what happens if you start such thing, you can end up with only 10 or with 10000 of people | |
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| 12:49 | jdavidb | Howdy, Owen. :) |
| 12:49 | owen | Hi |
| 12:49 | Mark__T | oh, btw, koha exclusivly works with mysql? |
| 12:49 | owen | I'm back for more. |
| 12:50 | jdavidb | Hm. I have a little enhancement one of our customers wants, and I'm thinking of making it a general Koha bugzilla, and tossing it over the wall. |
| 12:51 | owen | Mark__T: At the moment koha is exclusively mysql, but work is being done to make it more database-independent (by some postgres fans) |
| 12:52 | gmcharlt | jdavidb: go for it - what is the enh? |
| 12:52 | jdavidb | The syspref AutoEmailPrimaryAddress seems to be where you set what email address to use as "primary," but C4::Letters::_send_message_by_email does not obey it. Our customer fills in emailpro, but not email. |
| 12:53 | So, all their email notices get failed for want of address. | |
| 12:53 | gmcharlt | so enh would be to allow specifying a hierarchy of patron email addy fields to try? |
| 12:54 | jdavidb | My thinking is to make it obey the syspref. If the field selected in the syspref is not an email, it'll still fail. Long-term, it'd be nice to have a user-definable hierarchy. |
| 12:56 | owen | it's kind of a mystery to me why we have multiple email fields. |
| 12:57 | jdavidb | A couple of lines of code right before the second unless clause in _send_message_by_email, and a change to the unless, would be all that's needed to make it obey the preference. Not a perfect fix, but it'd work for the time being. |
| 12:58 | jwagner | Question on statistics -- does anyone know if checkouts etc. done through the web self-check are logged differently? Is it possible to collect stats on how much use the web self-check gets? |
| 12:59 | jdavidb | (and the customer seemed to think it *should* work that way, when they set up the preference.) |
| 13:00 | gmcharlt | jdavidb: making it obey the syspref is reasonable for a first step |
| 13:01 | jwagner: they're not currently logged any differently IIRC | |
| 13:01 | jdavidb | Okay. I'll bugzilla that, then, and get a patch thrown this morning for it. |
| 13:01 | jwagner | gmcharlt, I was afraid of that. Thanks. |
| 13:03 | owen | Is it still the case that renewals made from the OPAC are recorded in statistics without a branch? |
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| 13:07 | owen | Hi biglego |
| 13:08 | biglego | morning owen |
| 13:09 | owen | What brings you to #koha this morning? |
| 13:09 | biglego | drama |
| 13:09 | owen | Well, we'd love to get your opinion |
| 13:12 | biglego | I'm aghast that we have a company that has made valuable additions to koha that does not seem to understand their actions are against most peoples arguments for an oss library system |
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| 13:22 | owen | nahuel: Thanks for your "highlight" patch. That bothered me as well :) |
| 13:23 | nahuel | hehe, but it still have some problems |
| 13:23 | but it's better | |
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| 13:23 | nahuel | Like for item's summary... we cannot exclude fields "titles" |
| 13:24 | or we have to include data result in span class="dataresult" | |
| 13:24 | or something like | |
| 13:24 | (don't know if you see what I mean) | |
| 13:24 | owen | yes I do |
| 13:26 | gmcharlt | nahuel++ # I agree a new span and CSS class would make it easier |
| 13:26 | paul_p | (nahuel away for some cigarette :( ) |
| 13:27 | gmcharlt | cigarettes-- |
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| 13:28 | paul_p | gmcharlt: this week, jeanandre is working on an Offline circulation Firefox module |
| 13:28 | (I mean Kivutar) | |
| 13:28 | gmcharlt | cool |
| 13:29 | paul_p | hdl & matts are working on BibLibre integration branch, nahuel & me on new_acq branch, Laurence on finding bugs & translating, and nicolas on many various things (including boring us about ergonomy ;-) ) |
| 13:33 | kf | sounds like you have a lot of fun ;) |
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| 13:35 | jdavidb | welcome back, biglego. Again. :) |
| 13:36 | biglego | sorry trying to edit too big a marc file in my vm, made it kinda choppy |
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| 13:41 | kf | would it be very difficult to make messaging follog the calendar? (notices are sent on holidays atm) |
| 13:43 | jdavidb | kf: you know, just at first glance, I don't think it would be that hard. Something in process_message_queue that would just cause the program to end on a calendar holiday... |
| 13:43 | kf | just thinking if I can do that... but perhaps its too complicated. but there must be already code for holiday in other parts of koha |
| 13:43 | jdavidb | C4::Calendar::isHoliday, maybe. |
| 13:45 | Feed it the system date, and if today is a holiday, don't send notices. That might work. But the logic of doing that is unclear--if, for some reason, the system generates a notice on a holiday, why *not* send it out ASAP? | |
| 13:45 | 'specially if you're sending out advance or predue notices. | |
| 13:46 | kf | we want to set the notice when the fine is set |
| 13:46 | and fines should never be set on holidays | |
| 13:46 | I think notices are handled differently in Germany than anywhere else - at least I got this impression | |
| 13:47 | jdavidb | It may be a non-issue, then...if no fine is set, and notices are predicated on that, then no notices will be dropped in message_queue. |
| 13:47 | kf | you can use FinesCalendar with noFinesWhenClosed, but there is no option for the notices |
| 13:47 | jdavidb | A new syspref, maybe noNoticesWhenClosed? |
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| 13:47 | kf | I think notices and fines are not related to each other now |
| 13:48 | jdavidb | Correct; they are not. |
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| 13:48 | jdavidb | There are several processes that can toss a notice into the message_queue; the fines cron is not one of those, unless I'm missing something. |
| 13:49 | kf | perhaps I need to investigate it a bit more |
| 13:50 | jdavidb | We've got an enhancement here to send out billing notices--when a user owes more than ($<foo>), then send a letter to them. Still being refined. (we're also using that as a trigger to debt-collection processing) |
| 13:50 | kf | I thought fines cron does set fines and overdue_notices.pl creates the messages |
| 13:50 | jdavidb | It may be, kf, that the billing-notice enhancement is something that will be useful to you. |
| 13:51 | kf | jdavidb: yes, it sounds like it could be used for notices |
| 13:51 | jdavidb | overdue_notices.pl doesn't talk about the fines; it just lets the user know that items are overdue, IIRC. |
| 13:52 | kf | ok, perhaps some more testing will help, but notices testing needs some patience. |
| 13:52 | jdavidb | Yes, it does. It can get a little tiresome. |
| 13:53 | Keep an eye on the patches list for the billing-notice enhancement. I am hoping to finally get a few more of these enhancements we've got over the wall in the next couple of weeks. | |
| 13:53 | kf | I only now, that it sent out notices on sunday, which was not what I expected or wanted it to do ;) |
| 13:54 | ok, will watch out for it, thx jdavidb | |
| 13:54 | jdavidb | sure thing. :) |
| 13:54 | global_community++ | |
| 13:56 | Colin | kf: Isnt it just a matter of not running overdue_notices on a Sunday, or am I missing something? |
| 13:58 | kf | no, I think we will end up with that |
| 13:58 | but what about holidays? | |
| 13:59 | the weekends are not the problem, but other holidays | |
| 13:59 | we will use Koha for a Hebrew library and they have a lot of holidays | |
| 13:59 | hdl_laptop1 | kf you can parametrize that in crojob |
| 14:00 | kf | ah, I didnt know that |
| 14:00 | hdl_laptop1 | you can tell on which days you send overdues |
| 14:00 | kf | week days I knew, but can I tell him exceptions for special dates? |
| 14:01 | him = it | |
| 14:01 | hdl_laptop1 | mmm no. |
| 14:02 | Colin | It gets messy. You need to reflect the library calendar not the one on the wall |
| 14:02 | kf | yes, would be the best solution |
| 14:03 | will try to write a bug for it, but dont know exactly how its supposed to work now | |
| 14:07 | jdavidb | Some things, you'd *want* to go out on a holiday, like an advance notice for something due the day after the holiday. |
| 14:08 | Colin | possibly a wrapper script that checks the holidays before running the overdues...thinking aloud |
| 14:09 | jdavidb | See, that's what I was thinking, Colin...just pump the system date into C4::Calendar::isHoliday, and if it comes back true, don't do anything. But that might not be the whole right answer. |
| 14:12 | If you set up a syspref noNoticesOnHolidays, then if that is on, do the holiday check, and check on the letter_code in the message queue against a list of what you do or don't want to send in another syspref... That's a little bit of tinkering to C4::Letters::SendQueuedMessages, but not much. | |
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| 14:56 | rhcl | Perrier w/ Lime - It's what's for breakfast. |
| 14:58 | chris_n | regexp gurus: why does: [-a-zA-Z]? not match CD-ROM while [-a-zA-Z] does? |
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| 15:01 | gmcharlt | chris_n: first form works for me: perl -e 'print "matched\n" if "CD-ROM" =~ /[-a-zA-Z]?/'; |
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| 15:14 | kf | chris_n: wher is the difference? |
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| 15:17 | kf | Colin, jdavidb: thx, just came back from an unexpected meeting. sounds too complicated for doing it myself, so I will start with a bug report / enhancement request first. thx for the hints! |
| 15:18 | chris_n | kf: ? matches 0 or 1 time any chars of the preceding group |
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| 15:19 | kf | ah, thx |
| 15:21 | chris_n | which was the problem btw... it needs to be * |
| 15:21 | tnx gmcharlt, kf | |
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| 15:47 | schuster | nicole around? |
| 15:47 | Anyone have a current email for her? | |
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| 15:48 | schuster | I know how I can find it thanks... |
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| 16:01 | chris_n | gmcharlt: please ignore my erroneous re-submission of the css patch along with my bug 2500 patch |
| 16:01 | munin` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswongerfoundations.edu, ASSIGNED, Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/Labels.pm |
| 16:01 | gmcharlt | chris_n: ok |
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| 16:25 | * chris_n | 's stomach drives him away from the keyboard |
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| 16:34 | wizzyrea | ohhh is the foundation meeting today US time? |
| 16:34 | or properly tomorrow? | |
| 16:35 | jdavidb | tomorrow. :) |
| 16:35 | owen | http://www.wolframalpha.com/in[…]5%2019:00%20UTC+0 |
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| 16:39 | wizzyrea | thanks, owen :) owen++ |
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| 16:47 | kf | time to go home - bye #koha |
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| 16:50 | Ropuch | By |
| 16:50 | e | |
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| 16:56 | pianohacker | Bye |
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| 18:35 | wizzyrea | very quiet. |
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| 18:37 | jwagner | wizzyrea, shhhhh -- don't wake sleeping grumbles.... |
| 18:37 | Ropuch | ;> |
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| 18:43 | wizzyrea | ORITE. Sorry. |
| 18:43 | * wizzyrea | tiptoes away |
| 18:44 | jwagner | But since you ask....Is anyone making a link from Koha to SFX or another OpenURL resolver? I have a couple of ideas about how to do it, but wanted to see if someone else has already solved the problem. |
| 18:46 | gmcharlt | jwagner: there's partial support already via COinS |
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| 18:47 | jwagner | gmcharlt, yes they're using COinS, but if I understand it correctly, that requires having the browser plugin loaded. They want a link available for anyone regardless. |
| 18:47 | I was thinking about wrapping the SFX URL and search syntax around the ISSN/ISBN fields in the XSLT files. | |
| 18:48 | gmcharlt | well, in principle the really quick hackish way to do it would be to generalize the COinS support to allow specifying a base URL for your resolver |
| 18:49 | jwagner | I'm lost already :-( |
| 18:51 | gmcharlt | don't worry, you can also do it via the XSLT stylesheet as you suggested |
| 18:51 | chris | morning |
| 18:51 | chris_n | hi chris |
| 18:52 | * chris_n | wonders what the correct scale factor for M$ time is |
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| 18:52 | chris_n | "26 seconds left" has been showing for the past 5 minutes now |
| 18:53 | owen | Your process keeps discovering new things it has to do which will take exactly one second. |
| 18:53 | chris_n | oh good... now its only 23 seconds |
| 18:53 | lol :-) | |
| 18:55 | ColinC | Knew a lib onve that used to start saying you have minus 5 minutes left |
| 18:56 | onve/once it did time not spelling | |
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| 18:58 | Ropuch | lc |
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| 19:10 | chris | heya sekjal, migration sorted? |
| 19:11 | sekjal | it seems to be doing okay |
| 19:11 | did a data reload this last weekend | |
| 19:12 | got my old system's record numbers injected into the MARC, as well as fixed a dumb error on my XSLT's part that put our bound journals VOL/NO info in the wrong field | |
| 19:13 | have to do another load of patron attribute data, though; some unique identifiers were getting repeated (bad incoming data) | |
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| 19:13 | sekjal | chris: how was your weekend? |
| 19:13 | chris | ahh sounds familair |
| 19:14 | sekjal: hmmm interesting :) .. you know the curse "may you live in interesting times" :) | |
| 19:14 | some fun bits though | |
| 19:14 | sekjal | oh, good |
| 19:15 | I kept up with the news on Twitter and the listserv... interesting indeed | |
| 19:15 | chris_n | chris: when pushing to a public repo should one push master or the current working branch? |
| 19:15 | Ropuch | "May you teach someone else children" ;> |
| 19:16 | chris | chris_n: thats up to you really |
| 19:16 | sekjal | is there a good place for me to go to learn how to set up a public git repo for my institution? |
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| 19:17 | sekjal | once we get on 3.2, we want to start developing |
| 19:17 | chris_n | chris: so no "best practice" to avoid offending |
| 19:17 | chris | chris_n: i do a bit of both |
| 19:17 | master mostly has 'completed' code | |
| 19:17 | and branches for WIP | |
| 19:18 | which i push, then merge into master and push master too | |
| 19:18 | (when they are done) | |
| 19:18 | sekjal: you have a few options | |
| 19:18 | chris_n | tnx |
| 19:19 | chris | sekjal: you can do like gmcharlt and I have and set it up on a server under our control |
| 19:19 | or you could do what chris_n and pianohacker et al have done and use github | |
| 19:21 | either way is actually pretty simple | |
| 19:21 | sekjal | chris: thanks, I'll start there. we don't currently use git, so I've got a little institutional inertia to overcome either way |
| 19:21 | chris | http://www.kernel.org/pub/soft[…]public-repository |
| 19:21 | if you want to do it on your own server | |
| 19:21 | but yeah, starting with github is a good option | |
| 19:22 | offsite back up right there | |
| 19:22 | sekjal | an attractive selling point |
| 19:23 | chris | there is also http://gitorious.org/ |
| 19:25 | sekjal | great. I'm very eager to get working on all the stuff my staff wants, and I think a large amount of it could be valuable to the community at large |
| 19:25 | chris | awesome :-) |
| 19:26 | sekjal | we need an electronic resources management system |
| 19:26 | that should make for a fun challenge | |
| 19:27 | chris | oh yeah, there is a killer app there ... if someone can write one that doesn't suck |
| 19:28 | sekjal | yeah. we had on in our old ILS, but we never really got it working 100% |
| 19:28 | we coverage loaded our electronic journals holdings every month, but the quantity of new biblio records that that created overwhelmed cataloging | |
| 19:29 | chris | i can imagine |
| 19:29 | sekjal | so we had a lot of stub records that just wound up suppressed |
| 19:29 | we had this idea to do bulk Z39.50 record pulling as part of the load, but never quite got it going | |
| 19:30 | chris | im sure its something almost all libraries would love |
| 19:30 | wizzyrea | you mean something to manage digitization projects? |
| 19:31 | ERMS? | |
| 19:31 | chris | managing electronic serials (and other electronic resources) |
| 19:31 | wizzyrea | or like, electronic course reserves |
| 19:31 | Ah right | |
| 19:31 | yes, no one has gotten that quite right yet | |
| 19:32 | sekjal | my coworkers and I are researching the current state of things, and keeping a list of our own needs. |
| 19:32 | chris | excellent |
| 19:32 | sekjal | I want to be sure to get Koha community feedback, too, because I know other libraries manage their e-resources differently |
| 19:33 | chris | you might want to write up an RFC on the wiki |
| 19:33 | and send a message to the list, hopefully that will stir some suggestions loose | |
| 19:34 | sekjal | I think I registered for the wiki already.... gotten check my email archive... |
| 19:36 | chris | cool |
| 19:40 | sekjal | we've got another idea for an 'analyzer' tool that would allow you to link biblio records together... might be a part of an ERM, might not |
| 19:41 | chris | oh, i would love that ... so these 4 are representations of the same work? |
| 19:42 | sekjal | it could be used for that, as well |
| 19:42 | we need it for providing monographic biblio records to individual issues of a serial | |
| 19:42 | chris | sweet |
| 19:43 | sekjal | in our old system, we were allowed to link the item to two different bibs. this created no end of headache for me in the migration |
| 19:43 | chris | id like to use it for linking the largeprint, talking book, hardcover and paper back of some harry potter book together (when they are different biblio records) |
| 19:44 | but yes definitely need it for monographic biblio records too | |
| 19:45 | sekjal | yeah, I'm a big FRBR fan. I'd like to see that, too |
| 19:46 | chris | yep |
| 19:46 | it would make search results much nicer | |
| 19:49 | sekjal | It may also be useful for showing which journal titles are available full-text in a specific database |
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| 19:52 | sekjal | there! our library is now accounted for on the wiki |
| 19:52 | chris | yay! |
| 19:53 | ok, been a good chat sekjal, but i have to go catch my bus now ... enjoy the rest of your day in case you are gone when i get back to a keyboard | |
| 19:53 | * chris | wanders off |
| 19:53 | sekjal | cheers, chris! |
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| 20:06 | cait_laptop | hm testing lists in opac - seems that some strings are not translatable :( |
| 20:06 | <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="RequestOnOpac" -->$("#placehold").html("<a href=\"#\" class=\"hold tag_hides\">Place Hold<\/a>"); | |
| 20:07 | owen | That should be: <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="RequestOnOpac" -->$("#placehold").html("<a href=\"#\" class=\"hold tag_hides\">"+_("Place Hold")+"<\/a>"); |
| 20:07 | cait_laptop | hm, is there an easy way to make it translatable? |
| 20:07 | ah thx owen | |
| 20:08 | owen | ...if I'm not mistaken |
| 20:08 | cait_laptop | i can try it out |
| 20:08 | thx :) | |
| 20:09 | Ropuch | Hm |
| 20:10 | I can't find authorities while cataloguing | |
| 20:10 | But searching in opac seems to be working | |
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| 20:13 | hdl_laptop | yes owen |
| 20:17 | cait_laptop | updating po-file now to see if it gets in there :) |
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| 20:26 | cait_laptop | owen: its listed in po-file now, but broken in opac :( |
| 20:27 | owen | Is this on the search results page? |
| 20:30 | cait_laptop | open a saved list in opac account - the file is opac-shelves |
| 20:31 | I got place hold working with: <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="RequestOnOpac" -->$("#placehold").html("<a href=\"#\" class=\"hold tag_hides\">"+_('Place Hold')+"<\/a>"); | |
| 20:32 | but select all and clear all are still not translated | |
| 20:33 | chris | back |
| 20:34 | owen | The same change must be made to those lines in the template. Would you like me to submit a patch for it? |
| 20:34 | cait_laptop | hm let me try to do it |
| 20:34 | I think I found my mistake now | |
| 20:34 | should I add a bug for that or just send a patch? | |
| 20:35 | owen | The formal procedure would be to add a bug report, attach the patch file to the bug report, submit the patch, and mark the bug as "patch-sent" |
| 20:35 | cait_laptop | ok, just thought because its just a small bug, but will do once I get everything working |
| 20:36 | chris | if its small you can get away with just sending a patch, as long as the patch has enough detail in the commit message |
| 20:36 | (that's not gospel though, just my rule of thumb) | |
| 20:37 | owen | cait_laptop: Also check line 119 |
| 20:37 | cait_laptop | sigh, perhaps its just too late, whats wrong with that: |
| 20:38 | $("span.clearall").html("<a id=\"CheckNone\" href=\"#\">"+_('Clear All')+"<\/a>"); | |
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| 20:39 | owen | Looks right to me cait_laptop |
| 20:39 | cait_laptop | it is, the mistake was in another line - sorry |
| 20:40 | but everything seems to be working now, will add bug and send patch now - thx for your help owen, I think I will find more things that need to be added to translation, so I want to learn how to do it | |
| 20:40 | chris | yay for sending patches |
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| 20:41 | cait_laptop | chris: I promised you I would some day :) |
| 20:41 | chris | :) |
| 20:44 | cait_laptop | and its much more fun than learning for my distance study... |
| 20:45 | chris | hehe i can imagine |
| 20:50 | awesome little exchange on the koha-patches mailing list | |
| 20:50 | * chris | tweets about it |
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| 20:51 | richard | hi |
| 20:51 | chris | good morning richard |
| 20:52 | richard | hi chris |
| 20:52 | pianohacker | Hi, richard |
| 20:52 | richard | hiya |
| 20:54 | chris | how's things in katipo land? |
| 20:54 | richard | busy doijg quotes - not the most enjoyable thing but hopefully keeps the bread on the table |
| 20:54 | doing quotes evern | |
| 20:54 | chris | :) |
| 21:03 | michael_hafen++ | |
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| 21:12 | cait_laptop | patch sent, good night #koha :) |
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| 21:13 | Ropuch | Hm, i've got some authorities' search problem with 3.00.03 |
| 21:13 | 22:47:56-14/09 zebrasrv(14) [request] Search authorities ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @attr "1=Heading" @attr 7=1 0 @and @attr 5=100 @attr "1=authtype" GEOGR_NAME @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 @attr "1=Heading-Main" Germany | |
| 21:14 | I've copied the C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm from 3.00.02 and problem disappeared | |
| 21:14 | chris | ohh interesting |
| 21:15 | can you do me a favour Ropuch? | |
| 21:15 | Ropuch | Shhot |
| 21:15 | chris | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]nce.git;a=summary |
| 21:15 | can you grab the AuthoritiesMarc.pm | |
| 21:15 | from there, and see if the problem comes back? | |
| 21:15 | (that is what will be 3.0.4) | |
| 21:16 | Ropuch | sure |
| 21:16 | chris | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]172633e862d59d2c4 |
| 21:16 | should get it | |
| 21:16 | if it does, we will need to make sure we fix it | |
| 21:16 | Ropuch | w8 |
| 21:19 | hdl_laptop | Ropuch are you MARC21 or UNIMARC ? |
| 21:19 | Ropuch | Marc21 |
| 21:19 | And the one from 3.04 is not working | |
| 21:19 | chris | right thank you |
| 21:20 | Ropuch | HM, i have 3.00.02.012 |
| 21:20 | But I;m sure i've just installed 3.00.03 | |
| 21:20 | hdl_laptop | it is right. |
| 21:21 | Are you using grs or dom indexing ? | |
| 21:21 | rhcl | chris: how can I follow your tweets (tweet ID)? |
| 21:21 | Ropuch | grs |
| 21:22 | chris | rhcl: http://twitter.com/ranginui |
| 21:22 | or on identica | |
| 21:22 | hdl_laptop | you should have Heading-Main in your record.abs for all $a subfields of headings |
| 21:22 | chris | http://identi.ca/ranginui/ |
| 21:22 | which is free software, and breaks way way less than twitter :) | |
| 21:22 | hdl_laptop | chris can you update taht ? |
| 21:22 | chris | will do |
| 21:23 | im not sure what i need to update tho? | |
| 21:25 | Ropuch | Hm |
| 21:25 | chris | etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/authorities/record.abs ? |
| 21:25 | change this line | |
| 21:25 | melm 100 Personal-name:w,Personal-name:p,Personal-name:s,Heading:w,Heading:p,Heading:s | |
| 21:26 | from Heading to Heading-Main ... is that right hdl_laptop ? | |
| 21:26 | hdl_laptop | not exactly |
| 21:27 | add melm 100$a Personal-name:w,Personal-name:p,Personal-name:s,Heading:w,Heading:p,Heading:s,Heading-Main:w,Heading-Main:p,Heading-Main:s | |
| 21:27 | if doesnot exist | |
| 21:27 | chris | ahhh right and for all the $a ones? |
| 21:29 | hdl_laptop | yes if you can |
| 21:29 | mmm.. for all the headings $a. | |
| 21:30 | Maybe it doesnot quite make sense for MARC21, but for Unimarc it is really important | |
| 21:30 | chris | ok doing that now |
| 21:30 | Ropuch | Can I switch from grs to dom? |
| 21:30 | hdl_laptop | and anyway, if users want to specify some $a they will be able to do so |
| 21:31 | chris | Ropuch: when i have finished i will show you where you can get the record.abs file from, and that will hopefully fix it for you |
| 21:31 | hdl_laptop | Ropuch: I would not advise you to do so |
| 21:31 | Ropuch: But you will have to reindex your ahtorities | |
| 21:32 | Ropuch | Funny thing is test install on my laptop is working just fine |
| 21:33 | chris | http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]c0b3737a38b715e93 |
| 21:33 | hdl_laptop: committed now | |
| 21:36 | hdl_laptop | thanks |
| 21:37 | pushed on koha-maintenance | |
| 21:37 | chris have you tried to update 3.0 ? | |
| 21:37 | (translation i mean) | |
| 21:39 | chris | nope, i will do that tonight, i think we are not going to be making any big template changes now |
| 21:44 | hdl_laptop | So do I. |
| 21:45 | Thanks a lot for your help. | |
| 21:45 | chris | no problem |
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| 21:53 | Ropuch | Is there a way to serach by rejected form of authorities? |
| 21:54 | chris | not sure i understand you |
| 21:54 | hi Nate | |
| 21:54 | Ropuch | I'd like an user to be able to find books on United States after typing USA for example |
| 21:54 | chris | ahhh |
| 21:54 | in that case, i dont know ;) | |
| 21:54 | Nate | hey chris! |
| 21:54 | Ropuch | [; |
| 21:54 | I think somebody has asked about this on the list | |
| 21:55 | hdl_laptop | Ropuch: Yes : search Everywhere on the authority |
| 21:55 | There is a patch for that in 3.0.4 | |
| 21:55 | Ropuch | Can't wait [; |
| 21:56 | I mean: can't wait to see 3.0.4 | |
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| 22:08 | hdl_laptop | Ropuch: you can then take koha-maintenance/master branch if you canno wait |
| 22:13 | Ropuch | I will wait |
| 22:14 | hdl_laptop | Sorry I took that 1st degree ;) |
| 22:14 | Ropuch | I need koha up and running in 2 weeks - i don't have time and skills (almost read perl tutorial ;-) to mess around with code |
| 22:15 | And our IT pretty busy with other things right now | |
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| 22:24 | Ropuch | Good night |
| 22:24 | chris | night Ropuch |
| 22:25 | Do widzenia | |
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| 22:44 | brendan | see you in a bit #koha |
| 22:45 | chris | cya brendan |
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| 23:08 | brendan | ah nice -- made it back home - ready for some MNF |
| 23:08 | american MNF that is | |
| 23:09 | chris | :) |
| 23:09 | who is playing? | |
| 23:12 | brendan | Patriots (m team) and the Bills |
| 23:13 | chris | ahhh |
| 23:13 | brendan | wearing throwbacks jerseys looks excellent in HD |
| 23:32 | richard | weird - http://libwww.freelibrary.org/closing/ |
| 23:34 | chris | yeah thats mental |
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