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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:56 | chris | well i feel a lot better now, its amazing how therauputic playng trains with your son can be |
| 01:52 | chris_n2 | hehe |
| 02:19 | pianohacker joined #koha | |
| 02:20 | chris | hiya pianohacker |
| 02:20 | pianohacker | Hey, chris |
| 02:23 | chris | hows the weekend going? |
| 02:30 | * chris_n2 | heads off to saw logs |
| 02:30 | chris_n2 is now known as chris_n2-away | |
| 02:30 | pianohacker | chris: Pretty crushed with school, but otherwise good |
| 02:31 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: you're supposed to run away before they drop the school building on you |
| 02:31 | have you learned nothing? ;) | |
| 02:31 | pianohacker | Heh. In this case the school building would be my house, so double the trouble :) |
| 02:32 | chris | hehe |
| 02:32 | gmcharlt | are you getting any academic credit for your Koha work? |
| 02:35 | pianohacker | No, unfortunately |
| 02:35 | It's history and english, so it'd be pretty extra curricular | |
| 02:46 | chris | :) |
| 03:13 | speaking of history, http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/timeline/13/9 | |
| 03:13 | pianohacker | cool |
| 03:14 | chris | the today in history part of this site is really fun |
| 03:14 | pianohacker | Koha is conspicuously missing from Sep 6 |
| 03:15 | chris | http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/cu[…]k/100-maori-words |
| 03:15 | but this page tells you how to pronounce it | |
| 03:16 | http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/cu[…]maori-words#marae | |
| 03:16 | or at least has an mp3 of it | |
| 03:30 | pianohacker | Hmm. The Maori K sound is rather rough |
| 03:47 | chris | kinda close to a C in spanish i think |
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| 07:18 | nicomo | hello sunday morning and all |
| 07:18 | pianohacker | Blergh |
| 07:18 | Good morning | |
| 07:19 | nicomo | hi pianohacker |
| 07:23 | phasefx_ | hi folks |
| 07:24 | pianohacker | Hello |
| 07:24 | You're up even later than I am, if whois is accurate | |
| 07:25 | phasefx_ | yeah, slept all day. Sleep patterns out of whack :) |
| 07:25 | pianohacker | Heh |
| 07:33 | Good night, #koha | |
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| 07:50 | chris | hi phasefx_ and nicomo |
| 07:50 | nicomo | hi chris |
| 07:50 | back from your trip south? | |
| 07:50 | chris | yeah, got back late last night |
| 07:51 | to be greeted by someone from waldo criticising the community on my blog in the morning | |
| 07:51 | that was pleasant | |
| 07:51 | nicomo | yeah, I saw the comment |
| 07:54 | phasefx_ | where's WALDO? *ducks* |
| 07:54 | chris | i wonder if i should ask if he is speaking as a waldo rep |
| 07:54 | hehe | |
| 07:54 | phasefx_: well ben ide is from univ of hartford | |
| 07:54 | (i know you were joking) | |
| 08:05 | phasefx_: is there any reason you are awake late, WOW, everquest, children? | |
| 08:06 | phasefx_ | chris: just sick :) slept all day, and can't sleep now. Hmmm.. WOW.. I'm paying for that; should play it :D |
| 08:09 | one of the books I read, New Zealand was the only place that survived after aliens attacked | |
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| 08:14 | phasefx_ | but maybe not their internet |
| 08:14 | chris2 | hmm weirdness on my vpn, what was the title of the book? |
| 08:14 | phasefx_ | I tried to find it just now, but couldn't. I could have swore Margaret Weis co-wrote it |
| 08:15 | chris2 | interesting, ill have to look it up |
| 08:16 | there was a movie i remember | |
| 08:16 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T[…]uiet_Earth_(film) | |
| 08:20 | phasefx_ | that seems nutty/fun :) |
| 08:21 | chris2 | its been years since i saw it, i should find it on dvd |
| 08:21 | * phasefx_ | thought this was funny, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A[…]g_%281946_film%29 |
| 08:24 | chris2 | hmm that one, or the 1975 madmax like one? |
| 08:25 | phasefx_ | gosh, it was in color, so probably the latter |
| 08:25 | * chris2 | puts it on his fatso.co.nz list |
| 08:26 | phasefx_ | fair warning, my wife was less amused with the movie :) |
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| 08:26 | chris2 | yeah we have separate lists ;) fatso lets you have queues |
| 08:26 | we have one each, and one for the kids | |
| 08:26 | phasefx_ | coool |
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| 08:27 | |Lupin| | hi there |
| 08:27 | chris2 | hi |Lupin| |
| 08:27 | heya jransom | |
| 08:27 | |Lupin| | hi chris, how are you ? |
| 08:27 | chris2 | hanging in there |Lupin|, hows your weekend going? |
| 08:28 | |Lupin| | chris: seems to be a working one !! :) it's ok, just installed Koha on my laptop to play with it at home... |
| 08:28 | jransom | hi all |
| 08:28 | |Lupin| | chris: may aI bug you a few minutes with item-related questions ? |
| 08:28 | hi jransom | |
| 08:28 | chris2 | sure :) |
| 08:29 | |Lupin| | chris2: thanks :) |
| 08:29 | chris2: so in you digital library, I think we will have one item for each format we have for a given book | |
| 08:30 | chris2: in the old system, we kept for each format (so for each item) the date of first upload, date of last modification, user who did the first upload and user who did the last modification | |
| 08:31 | chris2: I'm wondering how these information could be imported in KOha, where to put them... | |
| 08:31 | chris2: actually for the dates it's ather easy, because items have two associated with them, so I can re-use the fields. The problem is more with users... | |
| 08:35 | chris2 | i guess you would just have to use some local use MARC fields |
| 08:36 | and then edit the XSLT files to show them | |
| 08:38 | |Lupin| | chris2: ok. But where would the data come from ? Would I have to use a plugin to fill-in the fields ? or modify he Perl scripts themselves ? |
| 08:39 | chris2 | a plugin, you would create a framework (or modify one) and the set up plugins for the fields you have set up |
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| 08:39 | chris2 | hey there cait |
| 08:39 | |Lupin| | hi cait |
| 08:40 | chris2: and the plugin would fil in the user info ? Would that need some js or could that be done without, according to you ? | |
| 08:40 | cait | hi chris and lupin |
| 08:44 | chris2 | hmm i think all the plugins currently depend on js im afraid |
| 08:44 | |Lupin| | chris2: ok |
| 08:44 | chris2 | to do it without, you would have to edit templates and scripts |
| 08:45 | |Lupin| | chris2: still, somehow I have the insight it should be possible to do things in a non-js-dependent way. After all it's just putting a user in a MARC field, the user is already known... |
| 08:46 | chris2: right... | |
| 08:46 | chris2: If I'm able to specify precisely what we'd need, do you think someone in the community could help with the plugin ? who ould you recommend me to ask ? | |
| 08:47 | chris2 | there are plenty who could, i think nahuel and hdl are practised at doing it now, but I could take a look if no one else has time |
| 08:48 | |Lupin| | chris2: ok, thanks a lot |
| 08:49 | chris2: also, you were mentionning modifying xslt files to have things displayed correctly. Is that true only for OPAC, or is the display in staff client also controled by XSLT files ? | |
| 08:49 | chris2 | you might have to modify code and templates for staff side |
| 08:50 | |Lupin| | chris2: ahah. ok. |
| 08:50 | chris2: regarding the OPAC, how do I know whether it's XSLT files or templates I have to modify ? | |
| 08:52 | chris2 | for the opac, it depends if you have the sysprefs set to use XSLT or not |
| 08:53 | |Lupin| | chris2: ok. I ssume one starts with not using XSLT and modifying templates, and if one notices that it's not flexible enough, then it means it's time to turn on XSLT and do the modifications there. correct ? |
| 08:53 | chris2 | id use XSLT |
| 08:54 | just because you wont have to mess with the scripts | |
| 08:54 | |Lupin| | chris2: ok |
| 08:54 | chris2 | but you would want to translate them :) |
| 08:55 | |Lupin| | chris2: while we are talking bout this... I was wondering whether the syntax to use in the isbd syspref is documened somewhere ? I'm not familiar enough to understand it just by reading the content of the syspref... |
| 08:55 | chris2: who was your "them" referring to ? | |
| 08:59 | chris2 | them xslt files :) |
| 09:00 | |Lupin| | chris2: ok |
| 09:01 | chris2 | |Lupin|: i think its some library standard thing :) |
| 09:01 | i just cut and paste :) | |
| 09:04 | |Lupin| | oh yes ? |
| 09:05 | one f these situations where I feel sorry for not being a librarian myself | |
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| 09:43 | |Lupin| | cait: any int about the syntax used in the isbd system preference ? |
| 09:44 | cait | lupin: sorry, tried to change it once and did not work :) |
| 09:44 | lupin: so not really a help | |
| 09:46 | |Lupin| | cait: ok, that's encouraging :-)) thanks ! |
| 09:48 | chris2: if I can send a patch making the opacBaseURL and staffBaseURL work before 3.2, do you think it'll be included ? or is it already too late ? | |
| 09:49 | cait | I think opacbaseurl is used for a feature nicole did - links from staff title to opac |
| 09:50 | |Lupin| | cait: ah yeah that was mentionned to m perhaps by chris |
| 09:51 | cait: but the feature does not work in other places... the syspref is not taken into account to generate the links | |
| 09:51 | chris2 | |Lupin|: thats a bugfix, so it would be included i would expect |
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| 09:52 | chris2 | you could not send it and make |Lupin| Enterprise Koha instead :-) |
| 09:52 | doctormo | Question: I'd like to enable book cover images, but the amazon and google enhanced settings don't seem to work. Any advice on what I should try? |
| 09:53 | chris2 | what verson of koha are you using doctormo ? |
| 09:53 | |Lupin| | chris2: will think about it ! :-) |
| 09:53 | chris2 | amazon recently changed their TOS, and we had to change the code |
| 09:54 | doctormo | oh, interesting, I'm using stable of course |
| 09:54 | chris | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]bebf3e05a08830235 |
| 09:54 | (which version of stable 3.0.3?) | |
| 09:55 | doctormo | koha-3.00.02 |
| 09:55 | chris | hdl and I are just finishing backporting bugfixes from master, in preparation for 3.0.4 |
| 09:55 | one of which is the change for amazon | |
| 09:56 | so if you can wait a couple of weeks, we should have something out | |
| 09:56 | or, 3.2.0 (with that change and a lot of new features) wont be far behind it | |
| 09:57 | it seems my internet is back | |
| 09:57 | |Lupin| | 3.2++ !! |
| 09:57 | doctormo | heh, I feel like I've picked an inopertune time |
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| 09:58 | doctormo | OK, so what about the google book covers, surely they work? |
| 09:58 | chris | i have actually tried them lately, but yes i would expect they would |
| 09:58 | |Lupin| | bye all |
| 09:59 | have a nice sunday | |
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| 09:59 | chris | you have the googlejackets syspref set to yes? |
| 09:59 | doctormo | Then it mustn't be working, this Python in a nutshell book should have a cover on google, unless I should disable amazon |
| 09:59 | I do | |
| 09:59 | Ropuch | Morning |
| 10:00 | chris | try disabling amazon |
| 10:01 | and see if that makes it work | |
| 10:01 | hi Ropuch | |
| 10:02 | doctormo | Negative, although the browser is making a request to books.google.com, so perhaps it's trying |
| 10:03 | chris | the book has an isbn in the catalogue eh? |
| 10:04 | doctormo | Oh for sure, I added via the isbn |
| 10:04 | chris | cool |
| 10:04 | if you view source you should be able to see the link it is trying to call, could you paste thta in? | |
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| 10:06 | doctormo | var NO_GOOGLE_JACKET = _("No cover image available"); <- well that pretty much clears that up |
| 10:06 | ISBN:9780596100469 | |
| 10:07 | chris | :) |
| 10:09 | doctormo | Is there a way you can do a manual check? |
| 10:09 | http://books.google.com/books?[…]nepage&q=&f=false | |
| 10:09 | Because it does exist, with images and everything on that API | |
| 10:10 | chris | http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]-search.pl?q=test |
| 10:11 | 2nd book on the list, is getting one from google | |
| 10:11 | doctormo | I take it that that is running 3.0.0? |
| 10:12 | chris | its what is soon to be 3.0.4 |
| 10:12 | but afaik google hasnt changed only amazon | |
| 10:12 | http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]google-jackets.js | |
| 10:12 | is the js that actually does the stuff | |
| 10:12 | doctormo | hmm, anyway I'm also trying to add a holding but all the drop downs are empty. Seems I need to add status types. |
| 10:13 | chris | yep |
| 10:13 | you have found the manual eh? | |
| 10:14 | http://koha.org/documentation/[…]meters/item-types | |
| 10:15 | doctormo | Oh well there was a slight difference in those js, but updating that one file didn't seem to help just now. |
| 10:16 | I am going through the manual, but it's very bookish. Not that I shouldn't be surprised, but as a structural thinking it's hard reading. | |
| 10:17 | chris | we are always open to suggestions how to make the documentation easier to use |
| 10:19 | doctormo | chris: Well the first 4 sections I managed to do because the website it's self suggested that these be added in order. the Z39.50 Client targets were important and yet it seems like they aren't |
| 10:19 | chris | they are and they aren't :) |
| 10:19 | doctormo | The enhanced features seem hidden, and that you have to press save on each setting per change seems tedious. |
| 10:19 | chris | oh i was meaning the documentation |
| 10:20 | but the sysprefs have been totally overhauled | |
| 10:20 | doctormo | Your interface is always your first documentator. |
| 10:20 | :-) good to hear | |
| 10:21 | So I did add item types already, it's all those other drop downs, "Withdrawn status", "Lost Status" etc | |
| 10:22 | chris | authorised values |
| 10:23 | doctormo | Can't call method "append_fields" on an undefined value at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/MARC/File/SAX.pm line 92. <- or right, that's what went wrong last time, sorry |
| 10:23 | chris | http://koha.org/documentation/[…]authorized-values |
| 10:24 | http://www.nabble.com/Error-wh[…]o-td25076037.html | |
| 10:26 | doctormo | sounds like I should upgrade tot he latest version, your thoughts? |
| 10:26 | chris | yep, go to 3.0.3 or wait for 3.0.4 |
| 10:27 | doctormo | Not to 3.2.0? Keep up with git version? |
| 10:27 | Or is it very unstable? | |
| 10:27 | chris | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]18715b5126a11b12c |
| 10:27 | well 3.2.0 when its been released | |
| 10:28 | or if you arent in production yet, you could run from master | |
| 10:28 | doctormo | how easy is it to upgrade these systems? |
| 10:28 | Ropuch | Easy |
| 10:30 | Between 3.0.x and 3.0.y it's no problem at all | |
| 10:31 | chris | and it will be easy 3.0.x to the 3.2.0 when its released, hasnt been tested yet (it might work fine, wouldn't bet on it yet) |
| 10:33 | doctormo | So i'd be going from 3.0.2 to 3.0.3, although I'd rather go to 3.0.4 right now, is it ready to use considering I don't have it in production? |
| 10:33 | chris | nope |
| 10:34 | doctormo | ok |
| 10:34 | chris | its right in the middle of having a pile of things cherry-picked to it |
| 10:34 | Ropuch | I've had a problem with unicode in z3950 seatch in 3.0.3 |
| 10:34 | s/seatch/search | |
| 10:35 | But switching the C4/Charset.pm to one from 3.0.2 seems to be working | |
| 10:39 | doctormo | So I've downloaded the new version |
| 10:39 | Should I just run the make and make install again? | |
| 10:39 | chris | nope |
| 10:40 | perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log | |
| 10:40 | make | |
| 10:40 | make test | |
| 10:40 | sudo make upgrade | |
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| 10:45 | doctormo | thanks chris, you've been ahuge help |
| 10:49 | chris | no problem, hope it all works out for you |
| 10:49 | im guessing you are in europe somewhere? | |
| 10:50 | doctormo | Actually in boston, but I'm british |
| 10:51 | chris | ahh, so just waking up :) |
| 10:52 | Ropuch | ;> |
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| 12:02 | doctormo | Now that it's updated, the MARC/File/SAX.pm error is still present, advice please |
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| 13:05 | doctormo | hmm, I could do with some good Authorized values, does anyone have a good scheme for them? |
| 13:06 | At the moment I can't check anything out because my items have no withrawn status. | |
| 13:06 | cait | you dont need a withdrawn status for checkout |
| 13:06 | you can leave them empty when importing items | |
| 13:07 | doctormo | huh, I wonder what's wrong then |
| 13:07 | cait | itemtype and barcode set? |
| 13:08 | doctormo | "Sorry, This item cannot be issued at this station." |
| 13:08 | cait | library for staff set? whats the message you get? |
| 13:08 | uh | |
| 13:08 | sounds a little like web self checkout. are you in staff? | |
| 13:09 | doctormo | yep |
| 13:09 | cait | is a library set? (is shown in the top right corner of the screen) |
| 13:10 | doctormo | It doesn't show on the self checkout page, |
| 13:11 | cait | so you are in the self checkout? |
| 13:11 | doctormo | Yes, got it, it wants the "barcode" not the ISBN |
| 13:11 | cait | yes |
| 13:12 | isbn is no help when you have more than one item, the barcode identifies every item | |
| 13:12 | does it work with the barcode? | |
| 13:12 | doctormo | Aye, type_id vs item_id, |
| 13:13 | Yes it does work with the barcode | |
| 13:13 | cait | :) |
| 13:13 | doctormo | So have you seen any good looking self checkout themes? possibly using ajax? |
| 14:19 | cait | doctormo: sorry, havent seen your question |
| 14:19 | there are currently no other themes for koha that I know of | |
| 14:20 | you know self check out is thought to be used by patrons at a station, staff will prefer intranet checkout | |
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| 17:53 | chris | @later tell hdl_laptop i did some work on the tests for virtualshelves, it is passing most of them now, will finish it today |
| 17:53 | munin` | chris: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:53 | pianohacker | Good morning, chris |
| 17:55 | cait | good morning chris and pianohacker |
| 17:55 | pianohacker | Good morning, Katrin |
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| 18:41 | chris | wow garry collum is the bug fix king |
| 18:42 | pianohacker | Yup |
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| 18:59 | chris | hi brendan |
| 18:59 | brendan | hi chris |
| 18:59 | pianohacker | Hi brendan |
| 18:59 | brendan | heya pianohacker |
| 19:01 | * chris | grabs some breakfast |
| 19:01 | * brendan | time for a nap |
| 19:02 | brendan | was holding a sleeping baby for awhile and now that's made me tired :) |
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| 19:17 | chris | right and now time to catch a bus, bbiab |
| 19:18 | pianohacker | cya |
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| 20:02 | chris | back |
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| 20:37 | richard | hi |
| 20:37 | pianohacker | Hi |
| 20:37 | chris | hiya richard |
| 20:38 | richard | hi pianohacker,. chris |
| 20:42 | brendan | hi richard |
| 20:42 | richard | hi brendan |
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| 21:26 | pianohacker | @marc 111 |
| 21:26 | munin` | pianohacker: A meeting name used as a main entry in a bibliographic record. [a,c,d,e,f,g,j,k,l,n,p,q,t,u,4,6,8] |
| 21:28 | chris | that is actually really handy :) |
| 21:29 | pianohacker | Yup |
| 21:43 | cait_laptop | good night #koha |
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| 21:48 | hdl_laptop | chris : thanks a lot |
| 21:49 | chris | i hope its helpful :) now get some sleep :) |
| 21:49 | * hdl_laptop | prepared coderun for tomorrow |
| 21:49 | chris | excellent |
| 21:49 | hdl_laptop | It is. |
| 21:49 | had no time on that | |
| 21:53 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop++ # and make sure you post a note to Koha ML afterwards about it |
| 21:53 | hdl_laptop | yes. |
| 21:53 | chris | speaking of which i need to do a post about the public git repos i know of |
| 21:54 | maybe ill do a wiki page and post a link to that | |
| 22:01 | hdl_laptop | we shall publish that branch as soon as it has been well tested |
| 22:02 | I had some conflicts between biblibre-integration and new-Acq... | |
| 22:02 | chris | cool |
| 22:03 | hdl_laptop | But so many deep changes occurred that I reckon going smoothly would really had been a miracle |
| 22:03 | chris | *nod* this is true |
| 22:04 | * gmcharlt | wanders off to dig through AACR2 for an assignment |
| 22:04 | chris | have fun ;) |
| 22:31 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: Dare I ask what your assignment is? |
| 22:31 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: it's basically designed to force one to crack open the rather largish binder that is AACR2 in paper form |
| 22:32 | pianohacker | Heh. I dug through that out of curiosity a while back; it's rather scary that it's the basis of 21st century MARC cataloging as opposed to card-cataloging |
| 22:49 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: close, but it's actually more correct to say that card cataloging is the basis of 21st century MARC cataloging |
| 22:50 | pianohacker | bleh, true |
| 22:50 | gmcharlt | while this can be problematic is left as an exercise for the reader |
| 22:50 | pianohacker | an exercise often attended by weeping and lamentations |
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