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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:33 | |Lupin| | hello |
| 13:07 | gmcharlt | hi |Lupin| |
| 13:08 | cait | hi galen |
| 13:08 | gmcharlt | hi cait |
| 13:09 | cait: I'm curious, I understand that German catalogers don't typically enter cataloging records in a form that looks much like a MARC21 or MAB record | |
| 13:09 | is that correct? | |
| 13:11 | cait | let me think about it |
| 13:12 | I m not sure if I can give you a qualified answer to that | |
| 13:12 | perhaps explain it for our union catalog | |
| 13:12 | wich is pica | |
| 13:12 | they enter records in pica format, they get records for their local systems in mab or in marc21, wich is new and I m still testing it | |
| 13:13 | most academic libraries catalog to union catalogs, but I think some of them are mab inside | |
| 13:13 | for public libraries it might depend on their ils, I know most of them can import mab and they can buy mab records from their vendors | |
| 13:14 | hm there is also RAK | |
| 13:14 | alphabetic rules for cataloging | |
| 13:15 | I learned to catalog with RAK when in library school | |
| 13:17 | Im not a cataloger :( | |
| 13:18 | gmcharlt | looks RAK (as cataloging code) fills same niche as AACR2 |
| 13:19 | cait | yes, I think thats true |
| 13:19 | its goes back to card catalogs | |
| 13:20 | gmcharlt | could you point me to an example of what a Pica format record looks like? |
| 13:20 | cait | I think you wont need that outside of cataloging in union catalog - its not for data exchange |
| 13:21 | gmcharlt | right, but I'm curious how it compares as a data entry format |
| 13:21 | cait | its similar to marc21, four numbes, no indicators but subfields |
| 13:22 | but im not an expert | |
| 13:22 | gmcharlt | ah, OK - still has catalogers thinking in terms of tag numbers and subfields |
| 13:22 | cait | yes |
| 13:22 | sorry, I cant log into union catalog cataloging interface from here | |
| 13:23 | to copy you a record | |
| 13:23 | gmcharlt | no worries |
| 13:24 | cait | why are you interested in cataloging formats? |
| 13:24 | gmcharlt | general professional interest of mine, actually |
| 13:25 | after having spent years work to migrate good (and crappy!) records | |
| 13:25 | interested in ways of doing it better | |
| 13:25 | cait | I think there are some special things about German cataloging |
| 13:25 | gmcharlt | also having observed how USMARC/MARC21 tends to *not* take up good ideas from the other MARC formats it absorbs |
| 13:26 | cait | we got some changes into MARC21 by MARBI |
| 13:26 | gmcharlt | what ends up happening as German cataloging starts using MARC21 is of particular interest |
| 13:26 | yeah, UKMARC did less well in that respect | |
| 13:26 | cait | I think linking authority records by identity numbers is one of them |
| 13:26 | gmcharlt | it is indeed, although I wish they had done a better job with the subfield $0 proposal |
| 13:27 | cait | fighting with it atm |
| 13:27 | gmcharlt | as it doesn't handle case where multiple authorities (main heading + subdivision) are linked to one bib heading |
| 13:27 | cait | we copy them to $9 for import to koha |
| 13:27 | I link the linking feature a lot | |
| 13:27 | what gives me headaches is linking between titles $w | |
| 13:27 | dont even started with that yet :( | |
| 13:27 | gmcharlt | yeah |
| 13:27 | cait | and we will need to change xslt display |
| 13:27 | gmcharlt | hopefully the Linked Data folks will help save us there |
| 13:28 | cait | also for displaying 880 fields |
| 13:28 | linked data folks? | |
| 13:28 | |Lupin| | nope, sorry :) |
| 13:28 | gmcharlt | semantic web, RDF, and assigning URIs to everything |
| 13:29 | cait | I dont see that we can adapt that easily |
| 13:31 | (15:27:13) gmcharlt: as it doesn't handle case where multiple authorities (main heading + subdivision) are linked to one bib heading - do you have an example for that? | |
| 13:31 | gmcharlt | cait: it goes something like this |
| 13:31 | cait | $0 is repeatable for different sources of authorities |
| 13:31 | gmcharlt | if a bib heading is like this |
| 13:32 | $a Castles $x $tone $z Germany | |
| 13:33 | suppose $a an authorized main heading | |
| 13:33 | and Stone and Gemany | |
| 13:33 | are each authorized free floating subdivions (e.g., in MARC21 would be represented as aut record with 18x) | |
| 13:33 | although $0 can be repeated | |
| 13:34 | it's not clear to me how you make sure unambiguously which part of the bib heading | |
| 13:34 | is authorized by which authority record | |
| 13:34 | cait | huh |
| 13:35 | I dont think I really understand that - not a cataloger ;) but I have some authority records here, let me look at them for a minute | |
| 13:36 | |Lupin| | bye everybody |
| 13:38 | cait | $a Castles $x $tone $z Germany is from title record? |
| 13:40 | gmcharlt | yes, in context of my example |
| 13:43 | cait | ok, I will have to ask our format expert about that |
| 15:46 | |Lupin| | hi again, folks |
| 15:52 | has someone an idea how to link books to users ? | |
| 15:53 | to represent who has created a record, say, is it possible to store something in a MARC field that would cause Koha to dispaly a link to the user ? | |
| 15:55 | cait: any idea ? :) | |
| 16:06 | bbl | |
| 16:07 | cait | hi |
| 16:07 | |Lupin| | oh, was about to leave :) |
| 16:07 | cait | was afk, watching tv |
| 16:07 | |Lupin| | cait: np !! |
| 16:07 | cait | thinking about your question |
| 16:08 | |Lupin| | cait: k, nice from you to think about these things on a sunday |
| 16:08 | cait | not sure if I have an answer |
| 16:09 | dont know if MARC21 has fields for cataloger, but perhaps it has | |
| 16:09 | |Lupin| | cait: on possibilit is to alter the template slightly so that for one field it knows it has to look for that in the borrowers table, print borrower's name and make it a link to the details page for that borrower |
| 16:10 | cait: here we use Unimarc but the problem is roughly the same, probably. | |
| 16:10 | cait | the link is only for staff side? |
| 16:10 | |Lupin| | cait: thatwould be the minimumu, I'd say |
| 16:11 | cait | you could have an authority for the creator |
| 16:11 | |Lupin| | cait: in the current system the links appears at OPAC, too, if this deserves the name of OPAC |
| 16:11 | cait | but this would lead to an uathority record, not to the borrower record |
| 16:11 | |Lupin| | ahah ! |
| 16:11 | cait: this sounds much clenaer than the modification of the template !! | |
| 16:12 | cait | yes |
| 16:12 | |Lupin| | cait: perhaps creating an authorised value for that and keeping it synchronised with borowers table would work ? |
| 16:12 | cait | ok, link would lead to other record created by that author |
| 16:13 | |Lupin| | which may also be an interesting functionalty |
| 16:14 | cait | authorities dont looks really user friendly atm |
| 16:14 | very marc21-ish | |
| 16:14 | |Lupin| | perhaps koha should be modified so that, in the KOha => Marc mappings, possibility is offered to pickup a field from the users table and not onl from the biblio, biblioitem and item tables |
| 16:14 | cait: k | |
| 16:16 | hmm last idea does not work cause koha won't know which row to pick up in borrowers table | |
| 16:16 | it works for the other tables because the biblionumber can be used to figure out which row to use | |
| 16:16 | cait | ah |
| 16:17 | sorry - no idea | |
| 16:18 | didnt you plan to ask questions about data import? :) | |
| 16:18 | |Lupin| | cait: that was the one :) |
| 16:18 | cait: because in the system used currently these links are present | |
| 16:18 | but actually I may fave found a solution | |
| 16:19 | just checking in the db whether it could work or not... | |
| 16:21 | yep ! | |
| 16:22 | cait: see the marc_subfield_structure table | |
| 16:22 | each subfield can be a URL | |
| 16:22 | and each subfield can have a plugin associated to it, it's the value_builder field in the db | |
| 16:23 | so the only thig to do is to assign to a field a plugin that will fill it with the URL of the page or the user that is just creating the record | |
| 16:23 | and say the field is a URL in the DB, and that shoudl work | |
| 16:24 | shouldn't it ? | |
| 16:24 | cait | yes it should |
| 16:24 | the plugin is a great idea | |
| 16:24 | and when its in a marc21 field you can display it in opac | |
| 16:25 | and one xslt for staff is available you can also display it there | |
| 16:25 | |Lupin| | yeah the designers had a great idea when they designed it, I agree |
| 16:25 | cait: wouldn-t that work without xslt ? | |
| 16:26 | cait: (I thought the url ould be displayed both in OPAC and staff...?) | |
| 16:27 | cait | in MARC display |
| 16:27 | probably not in normal view | |
| 16:27 | you cant configure outside of xslt what gets displayed in normal view | |
| 16:29 | |Lupin| | ah |
| 16:30 | well... | |
| 16:30 | perhaps not a problem | |
| 16:30 | and as you said | |
| 16:30 | it it's a problem then there is XSLT, thanks for having mentionned it, I was not aware of this possibility at the staff elvel | |
| 16:31 | cait | its not there yet :( |
| 16:31 | but its marked as sponsored in bugzilla | |
| 16:31 | perhaps just try it - but dont know whats in the template there yet | |
| 16:34 | |Lupin| | cait: oh, not very important... those who really want to see i can look at te marc view |
| 16:36 | cait | ok |
| 16:38 | |Lupin| | cait: thanks a lot for having helped to find this solution ! |
| 16:38 | cait: this quesiton was in me for some days already | |
| 16:39 | cait | sometimes it helps just to speak someone |
| 16:44 | |Lupin| | cait: yeah ! if the person you are speaking to is great it helps even more :-) |
| 16:44 | cait | plugin was your idea! |
| 16:49 | |Lupin| | cait: never played with them, though |
| 16:50 | cait | I thought about adaption barcode plugin for generating inventory numbers |
| 16:51 | but our library dont want it g | |
| 16:51 | |Lupin| | why ? |
| 16:55 | cait | ok, perhaps dont need it and they use different inv# prefixes |
| 16:56 | we talked about it and they said they wont need an automatic solution | |
| 16:58 | |Lupin| | cait: is it true that librarians are sometimes reluctant regarding automation of tasks ? |
| 17:01 | cait | some of them may be |
| 17:01 | but I dont think its general | |
| 17:02 | for this library its their first ILS, perhaps they will want it next year | |
| 17:06 | |Lupin| | like they need some time o get used to and realize what automaion can do for them ? |
| 17:07 | cait: in your opion, does it also depend on how old the librarians are ? e.g. the younger may be more used to computers, something like that ? | |
| 17:10 | cait | perhaps |
| 17:11 | but this is not librarian specific I think | |
| 17:11 | |Lupin| | right |
| 17:11 | cait | I think younger people experiment more with programs |
| 17:12 | |Lupin| | yep, maybe |
| 17:12 | our librarian is almost 60 | |
| 17:12 | and she is really reluctant to automate things | |
| 17:12 | like search and replace, she sometimes prefers to do them manually | |
| 17:13 | cait | :) |
| 17:13 | but I think there are always exceptions | |
| 17:15 | |Lupin| | phone call |
| 17:26 | hello pianohacker | |
| 17:26 | pianohacker | Hello there, newly minted developer |
| 17:29 | |Lupin| | :) |
| 17:32 | cait | bye #koha, have a nice rest sunday! |
| 17:33 | |Lupin| | bye #koyha, too ! see you in three weeks if can't make t for the general IRC meeting ! |
| 20:35 | richard | hi |
| 20:44 | chris | hi richard |
| 20:45 | richard | hey chris |
| 20:45 | gmcharlt | hi chris, richard |
| 20:56 | chris | heya galen |
| 20:57 | richard | hi galen |
| 20:57 | chris | good weekend? |
| 20:58 | richard | spent a happy afternoon starting on a translation of joomla into maori |
| 20:58 | chris | awesome |
| 20:58 | richard | trying to get maori language commission and waikato uni interested |
| 20:58 | chris | the koha opac is now totally translated for koha |
| 20:58 | if you get stuck, probably can get my dad interested, he did the opac | |
| 20:59 | richard | way cool., the stuff i did was from a spreadsheet on the waikato uni site - translations for ms office, ms windows, moodle and google |
| 21:00 | so i was mainly doing whole phrases and words | |
| 21:00 | chris | *nod* |
| 21:37 | hiya cait | |
| 21:37 | cait | hiya chris |
| 21:51 | chris | hows the new car drive gmcharlt ? |
| 21:51 | gmcharlt | chris: pretty nice |
| 21:52 | chris | how long is the drive to atlanta? |
| 21:52 | gmcharlt | about 5 hours |
| 21:53 | chris | so you will drive up stay for the week, and drive back? |
| 21:53 | gmcharlt | no, flying up for my first trip |
| 21:53 | will probably drive at least some of the subsequent trips | |
| 21:54 | chris | sounds like a plan |
| 21:55 | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ticle.pl?RC=14133 | |
| 21:55 | has Koha gotten a unicorn library before now? | |
| 21:56 | gmcharlt | chris: several |
| 21:56 | chris | cool |
| 21:56 | i knew we got lots of ex Horizon | |
| 21:57 | didnt know it was eating both sides of sirsi/dynix's sandwich at once | |
| 21:57 | gmcharlt | multiple sides, if you also count Dynix Classic and DRA classic |
| 21:58 | chris | true |
| 21:58 | rangitikei and opus were dynix classic | |
| 22:06 | cait | there was a survey and many horizon/unicorn libraries considered evergreen or koha - free text entries where very interesting |
| 22:06 | where = were | |
| 22:06 | should be in bed by now | |
| 22:07 | chris | :) |
| 22:08 | cait | going to bed now - good night :) |
| 00:26 | brendan | good evening #koha |
| 03:20 | 9 minutes and counting | |
| 03:20 | chris | heh |
| 03:24 | Amit | hi brendan, chris |
| 03:24 | good morning #koha | |
| 03:24 | brendan | heya Amit |
| 03:24 | chris | hi Amit |
| 03:24 | brendan | I hope all is well with you |
| 03:24 | Amit | yes |
| 03:24 | how is your weekend chris | |
| 03:25 | chris | it was good, nice and relaxing |
| 03:26 | Amit | chris, brendan happy frndship day |
| 03:26 | brendan | same to you :) |
| 03:38 | mason | bonjour peoples |
| 03:38 | hi amit, long time - no chat :) | |
| 03:39 | Amit | hi mason good morning & and happy frndship day |
| 04:13 | chris | @gcalc 3000 INR as NZD |
| 04:13 | munin | chris: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. |
| 04:13 | chris | @gcalc 3000 INR in NZD |
| 04:13 | munin | chris: 3000 Indian rupees = 94.1715576 New Zealand dollars |
| 04:14 | chris | cool |
| 04:23 | Amit | @wunder New Delhi India |
| 04:23 | munin | Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 32.0°C (9:30 AM IST on August 03, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Falling). |
| 06:45 | chris | good morning europe |
| 07:20 | paul_p | hello world ! |
| 07:23 | chris | hello paul_p :) |
| 07:23 | vacation finished | |
| 07:24 | paul_p | hi chris. |
| 07:25 | the 1st week is finished. But next week, i'll leave again, for 2 weeks (and I leave my home, so => true vacation ;-) ) | |
| 07:26 | chris | ahhh cool :) |
| 07:30 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:32 | paul_p | interesting link (in french, but the inside links are in english) : http://www.08000linux.com/blog[…]les-performances/ it's about mySQL 5.4 performances |
| 07:34 | Sab | hi |
| 07:34 | i am facing a weired problem today | |
| 07:35 | i hv created two kohas in my one system | |
| 07:35 | i hv differentiate both of them by port numbers | |
| 07:35 | say... one is in 192.168.1.2:80 & another one is in 192.168.1.2:81 | |
| 07:35 | & i hv also created two databases 4 two of them | |
| 07:36 | for first one... "koha1" database & for second one... means.. 81... "koha2" database | |
| 07:36 | i hv also created two users for two database & as well as for trwo koha | |
| 07:36 | but.. the problem is | |
| 07:36 | i cannot log in as "koha2" now | |
| 07:36 | but.. only i can log in there ( in both of them ) as "koha1" | |
| 07:37 | can nyone help me? i really need it badly | |
| 07:45 | SelfishMan | Do you have different config files too? |
| 07:45 | You need to have more than different databases and different apache configs. Your koha config files must be diferent as well. | |
| 07:47 | Amit | hi selfishman |
| 07:48 | SelfishMan | hi Amit |
| 08:24 | Amit | hi indradg_ |
| 10:02 | indradg_ | hi all |
| 10:38 | chris | hi indradg_ |
| 10:42 | indradg_ | chris, hi |
| 10:47 | chris, did you see the post on the koha m/l - offer of Koha installation @ US $ 75 + travelling expense from Vimal | |
| 10:51 | chris | yep, very good deal :) |
| 10:53 | indradg_ | yep, commoditizing koha |
| 10:53 | :) | |
| 11:25 | sab | hey there anyone can help me for one problem? |
| 11:27 | gmcharlt | sab: what's up? |
| 11:29 | sab | hey..wazzup? |
| 11:29 | i am facing a weired problem now | |
| 11:29 | the thing is | |
| 11:29 | i hv been trying 2 establish 2 koha here in my one system | |
| 11:29 | one is koha1 & koha2 | |
| 11:29 | it worked fine whole day long | |
| 11:29 | those all were done in virtual host | |
| 11:30 | the thing is... suddenly | |
| 11:30 | when i go 2 restart the apache server | |
| 11:30 | it shows fails | |
| 11:30 | the error is something like this | |
| 11:30 | Restarting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName failed! | |
| 11:33 | gmcharlt | do you have ServerName directives in your virtual host sections? |
| 11:35 | sab | yep |
| 11:35 | itz there | |
| 11:36 | tumi ekta chater bal | |
| 11:51 | chris | heh |
| 11:55 | Amit | hi galen |
| 11:56 | gmcharlt | hi Amit - I should have a reworking of your patch for you to look at later (my) tonight |
| 11:56 | Amit | thanks galen\ |
| 11:56 | and happy frndship day | |
| 11:58 | gmcharlt | to you as well |
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