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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:04 | Amit | hi jwagner, nengard, nahuel |
| 12:09 | jwagner | Hi Amit |
| 13:07 | owen | Hi collum |
| 13:07 | collum | hi |
| 13:08 | gmcharlt | hi folks |
| 13:15 | kf | hi galen, collum and owen |
| 13:18 | rhcl_away | @seen wizzyrea |
| 13:18 | munin | rhcl_away: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 17 hours, 2 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> owen++ # for jokes and the admonition to tip your waitresses |
| 13:18 | rhcl_away | @seen chris |
| 13:18 | munin | rhcl_away: chris was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 38 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <chris> hi Amit |
| 13:18 | ebegin | good morning all! |
| 13:18 | rhcl_away | morning |
| 13:18 | owen | rhcl_away: chris ought to be sleeping now. If he's not he should be! |
| 13:19 | rhcl_away | Yea, I just wanted to pass on some brief scuttlebutt from the SMUG conference. It can wait. |
| 13:20 | Yea! I knew I'd wake somebody up! | |
| 13:21 | kf | who does not :) |
| 13:22 | rhcl_away | OK, well, wizzyrea is in Kansas, and one library in Hays bought Sirsi Enterprise (I'm not familiar with that) from them (Sirsi). It seems that Sirsi demo'd v3.0, but then sold them 2.0. Appears they are unhappy and disappointed. |
| 13:22 | I don't think that Hays is part of wizz's group. | |
| 13:22 | kf | enterprise can do fuzzy search - was not impressed by that ;) |
| 13:22 | owen | Wow, they certainly have a right to be more than disappointed |
| 13:24 | rhcl | Apparently my director is talking Koha w/ Hays. |
| 13:26 | Josh F. did a presentation for the KS group in Lawrence, what, over a year ago now. Seems there is considerable interest in having a Koha rep do a follow-up performance. | |
| 13:26 | Somebody is tweeting this, I'd like to know the stream. I'm getting second hand info. | |
| 13:27 | owen | When you say the KS group is that not NEKLS? |
| 13:28 | rhcl | Yea, it was. |
| 13:28 | Our library was at that meeting (including me). | |
| 13:29 | owen | I guess I'm confused because NEKLS is using Koha now |
| 13:30 | gmcharlt | owen: right, but IIRC the talk in question was also hosted by NEKLS but libraries throughout KS were invited |
| 13:30 | rhcl | OK, over a year ago NEKLS had Josh come in for a presentation on Koha (there was also a videoconference with someone from Evergreen. |
| 13:30 | Subsequently NEKLS went to Koha, but Hays isn't part of that group. | |
| 13:31 | yes, galen is correct. We are actually from Missouri, but NEKLS graciously invited us to attend too. | |
| 13:32 | owen | Liblime is probably afraid if they sign any more libraries in Kansas they'll have the government's anti-trust lawyers after them ;) |
| 13:34 | rhcl | Yea, well, the lawyers will probably be using Koha to do their anti-trust research at the library. |
| 13:34 | gmcharlt | rhcl++ |
| 13:48 | rhcl | @seen Snow_Fox |
| 13:48 | munin | rhcl: Snow_Fox was last seen in #koha 18 hours, 46 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <Snow_Fox> lol |
| 13:54 | Snow_Fox | BOO! |
| 13:56 | rhcl | AWYSANW! You scared me! |
| 13:57 | So what do you know about the library at Hays? | |
| 13:57 | Snow_Fox | the public library or the library at the college |
| 13:58 | nut much about there pub lib | |
| 13:58 | but i know the college has some pretty nifty tech toys for there IT dept | |
| 13:58 | rhcl | humm, not sure which. |
| 13:58 | probably the public library | |
| 13:59 | Snow_Fox | sorry rhcl but that would be diddly and whatever google could tell me |
| 13:59 | rhcl | ok, tnx |
| 14:10 | wizzyrea | there are several koha consortia in kansas |
| 14:10 | and good morning | |
| 14:11 | NEKLS is one, SEKLS has one (sek n find) and SCKLS has one (pathfinder central) | |
| 14:11 | NEKLS migrated from a Sirsi consortia, SEKLS is migrating from follett/winnebago/alexandria | |
| 14:11 | sckls is same as sekls | |
| 14:11 | and then there are a couple of libraries that struck out on their own with koha, Salina/KWU and Derby are the two I know of | |
| 14:12 | Snow_Fox | NEKLS, SEKLS,SCKLS, NCKLS |
| 14:12 | say that 5 times fast | |
| 14:12 | :-D | |
| 14:12 | wizzyrea | NEKLS, SEKLS, SCKLS, CKLS, NWKLS, NCKLS, SWKLS |
| 14:13 | kf | :D |
| 14:13 | wizzyrea | that's the 7 regional systems in kansas |
| 14:13 | Snow_Fox | ah cool |
| 14:13 | i had mild curiosity about that | |
| 14:16 | wizzyrea | That's Northeast, Southeast, South Central, Central, Northwest, North Central, Southwest, in order |
| 14:16 | rhcl | So who does Hays belong to? |
| 14:16 | wizzyrea | 1s, let me look |
| 14:16 | http://systems.mykansaslibrary.org/about/ | |
| 14:17 | I think CKLS | |
| 14:17 | rhcl | Snow, which group are you? |
| 14:17 | Snow_Fox | i think NCKLS |
| 14:18 | and a shiney nickle it is | |
| 14:18 | ill call him phillip | |
| 14:18 | bonus points for where that is referenced | |
| 14:21 | rhcl | "The Mask of the Red Death"??? "The Deep" (Jacquelin Bisset)??? "Beginning Perl"???? |
| 14:21 | Snow_Fox | Fairly Odd Parents |
| 14:21 | rhcl | I was close. |
| 14:22 | owen | I get that and "The Deep" mixed up all the time. |
| 14:22 | Makes for some interesting morning TV for the kids. | |
| 14:22 | rhcl | hehe |
| 14:22 | Snow_Fox | heh |
| 14:23 | rhcl | Well, I'm off to a LUG meeting somewhere in KS, I'm taking a map, but if I don't return in 10 hours call the sheriff. |
| 14:24 | Snow_Fox | i would think SAR would be a better response |
| 14:24 | just remember | |
| 14:24 | if you hear a banjo, your not in kansas anymore | |
| 14:24 | rhcl_away | Snow, you ought to go too. It's in Overland Park. |
| 14:24 | Snow_Fox | blehg |
| 14:24 | thats a nice 4 hour drive | |
| 14:25 | be careful in larence | |
| 14:25 | rhcl_away | Well, you get compensated for mileage, right? |
| 14:25 | Snow_Fox | ya but convencing my staff to let me go instead of figuring out HOW stuff is gonna work |
| 14:25 | thats the sticky part | |
| 14:26 | rhcl_away | Well, you need to be in charge so that you don't have to get permission. |
| 14:26 | Snow_Fox | prob not gonna happen im the low man on the totem pole |
| 14:31 | nahuel | gmcharlt, is it great for koha-commits ? |
| 14:31 | gmcharlt | nahuel: ? |
| 14:31 | nahuel: is what great? | |
| 14:31 | nahuel | gmcharlt, all that you ask me |
| 14:31 | gmcharlt, by mail | |
| 14:32 | gmcharlt | nahuel: ah, I understand - yes, it's fine |
| 14:32 | nahuel | cool :) |
| 14:32 | gmcharlt | just one more glitch - now that the list.koha.org homepage is generated dynamically, need to fill in descriptions for all of the lists |
| 14:32 | nahuel | héhé |
| 14:32 | this is not made in mailman ? | |
| 14:32 | in the web admin ? | |
| 14:33 | gmcharlt | yes, but it's the one line descriptoin per list |
| 14:33 | nahuel | ah |
| 14:33 | gmcharlt | and has to be changed in web admin per list |
| 14:33 | nahuel | by the admin |
| 14:33 | and you're not the admin of all lists :) | |
| 14:33 | i suppose | |
| 14:33 | gmcharlt | no, I'm not TM |
| 14:33 | *ATM | |
| 14:33 | nahuel | ok |
| 14:35 | gmcharlt, can you email me a description for each list ? | |
| 14:36 | gmcharlt | nahuel: sure |
| 14:36 | nahuel | thx |
| 14:45 | wizzyrea | oh mailman. How I love and loathe thee |
| 14:52 | Snow_Fox | there is a farside that pops into my head |
| 14:52 | though rain shine hail or sleet will not deter a mailman, they never counted on Dogbo | |
| 15:03 | ok i gots a question, one of a million ive prob shoveled out to you poor chaps over the course of the last couple months :-P | |
| 15:03 | owen | We don't come to #koha for the cookies. |
| 15:03 | Snow_Fox | how do you print lables in koha |
| 15:03 | really theres cookies in here? | |
| 15:04 | wizzyrea | yea, some of us come for the trout slaps |
| 15:05 | OH lables | |
| 15:05 | schuster | Labels? Which type? patron or item? |
| 15:05 | wizzyrea | labels |
| 15:05 | Snow_Fox | item |
| 15:05 | schuster | Trout... I want Northern! |
| 15:05 | wizzyrea | oh no, schuster is undeserving of trout slaps lol |
| 15:06 | schuster | You have to build a template in the label design and tell it how it should lay out. From what I have read you have to think of it as if you are going to print a full sheet which we don't do here. |
| 15:06 | Just stick the trout back in the water...;) | |
| 15:06 | Snow_Fox | they told our aquisition dept that you can do it one lable at a time |
| 15:06 | schuster | I'm just back from California with my new tan...;) |
| 15:06 | Snow_Fox | schuster: would a brick be better? |
| 15:07 | label | |
| 15:07 | man i just cant spell that word today | |
| 15:07 | schuster | Oh you can - but depending on your printer and label stock. I can do one label at a time but you have to go into the label printing area to print them. |
| 15:07 | As long as the brick is made of styrofoam. the trout is better it is bio degradable. | |
| 15:07 | Snow_Fox | i meant for you |
| 15:07 | i mean i gots lets see | |
| 15:07 | crowbars | |
| 15:08 | flamethrowers always fun | |
| 15:08 | baseball bats | |
| 15:08 | rubber chickens | |
| 15:08 | pretty much anything i can slap ya around with | |
| 15:08 | schuster | Ah the joys of being a sysadmin...;) |
| 15:08 | is an IRC newbie. | |
| 15:08 | Snow_Fox | oo i gotta suggest the pit filled with system boards |
| 15:12 | well printer wise were using a microline 320 turbo 9 pin printer | |
| 15:12 | i know its amazing they still work | |
| 15:12 | what would be a good replacement | |
| 15:13 | wizzyrea | you know, honestly, it seems that it would work better to use the label export function and merge it with a word doc |
| 15:13 | then print that | |
| 15:13 | you get a lot more control | |
| 15:13 | Snow_Fox | ya but peeps want to print one label at a time |
| 15:13 | wizzyrea | yes, that's what I mean |
| 15:14 | Snow_Fox | because they want to affix the labels as they go |
| 15:14 | owen | Snow_Fox: I recommend a standalone label printer if you're trying to print one at a time |
| 15:14 | Snow_Fox | well im not entirly of the setup that had to be done but it was rather extensive from the sounds of it |
| 15:14 | wizzyrea | i'm with owen |
| 15:14 | Snow_Fox | suggestions on make and model |
| 15:16 | its ok wizzy | |
| 15:19 | Sharon | Snow_Fox some of our libraries have successfully used the labels as they are - both for spine and book plates |
| 15:20 | I think a lot of them do stockpile so they have a full sheet, more because labels gum up printers otherwise | |
| 15:23 | owen | Snow_Fox: We use this: http://www.zebra.com/id/zebra/[…]ktop/tlp2844.html |
| 15:24 | jdavidb | Zebra makes *good* thermal printers. We used a bunch of them when I was at Honeywell. Sturdy, reliable, and easy to maintain. |
| 15:26 | Snow_Fox | how easy were they to integrate with Koha? |
| 15:27 | jdavidb | The Honeywell application was a warehousing system, so I can't speak to that. owen? |
| 15:28 | owen | I'm trying to remember the workflow... It's not a direct, print-from-Koha kind of thing. |
| 15:28 | The catalogers generate label batches, export them, and print them using the Bartender software. | |
| 15:30 | Sharon | Teaching mail merge skills to our librarians is high on our to-do list, and not just for the catalogers and their labels |
| 15:30 | owen | The nice thing about our print-software combination is you can easily print your own sequence of barcodes by sending it a CSV file |
| 15:30 | We used to buy our book barcodes from a supplier and now we can print them in-house. | |
| 15:30 | Snow_Fox | hrm |
| 15:31 | were currently buying our barcodes from a supplier as well | |
| 15:31 | Oh my | |
| 15:31 | apparently those printers we have | |
| 15:31 | are still for sale | |
| 15:31 | wizzyrea | jwagner++ for abbreviated slip patch |
| 15:31 | Snow_Fox | at almost 400dollars |
| 15:31 | :| | |
| 15:32 | wizzyrea | owen: I've contended for a while that the export function is probably a much more flexible solution to label printing. |
| 15:35 | so I"m glad you're doing it that way | |
| 15:40 | jdavidb | @karma jwagner |
| 15:40 | munin | jdavidb: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
| 15:40 | Snow_Fox | @karma snow_fox |
| 15:40 | munin | Snow_Fox: snow_fox has neutral karma. |
| 15:40 | Snow_Fox | sweet im chaotic neutral |
| 15:41 | jdavidb | Snow_Fox++ for a laugh when I really needed one just now... |
| 15:42 | Snow_Fox | heh |
| 15:42 | your welcome man | |
| 15:42 | heh, i like being chaotic neutral myself, lets me do whatever i want | |
| 15:43 | add in a compulsion of some sort | |
| 15:43 | and you can have lots of laughs | |
| 15:43 | jdavidb | Well, yeah. LN tends to be rather regimented and structured, but it suits me; my life tends to be kinda like that. |
| 15:43 | Snow_Fox | i had a theif, who had to unlock challenging locks just for the challenge |
| 15:46 | jdavidb | Compulsions and similar quirks are fun to play with. I had a CG fighter with a compulsion to leave the mark of his faith carved in things everywhere he went. Kinda like a Gideon, with a sword... |
| 15:47 | wizzyrea | wow, this channel just ascended 4-5 levels of nerd. |
| 15:47 | as if that were possible | |
| 15:47 | jdavidb | :D |
| 15:47 | owen | :D |
| 15:48 | jdavidb | Nerd check: wizzyrea, did you understand it? |
| 15:48 | owen | wizzyrea is going to start handing out wedgies soon |
| 15:48 | wizzyrea | yep, I did |
| 15:48 | jdavidb | Ah...so...pot, meet kettle. |
| 15:48 | wizzyrea | pft, I have an intense soft spot for all things geek |
| 15:48 | you will see no wedgie-ing from me | |
| 15:50 | jdavidb | @quote add <wizzyrea>you will see no wedgie-ing from me |
| 15:50 | munin | jdavidb: The operation succeeded. Quote #20 added. |
| 15:50 | jdavidb | That's one for the books. |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 15:52 | jdavidb | @quote random |
| 15:52 | munin | jdavidb: Quote #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to be a librarian? perhaps MARC was invented to answer it ;)" (added by chris at 12:50 PM, June 12, 2009) |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 15:54 | munin | wizzyrea: Quote #9: "pianohacker ponders drumstick->ear as a method of food acquisition...We haven't gone to this good mexican restaurant in a while..." (added by wizzyrea at 08:23 PM, June 19, 2009) |
| 15:54 | jdavidb | lol |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | that was a funny day |
| 16:11 | kf | lol |
| 16:13 | jwagner | wizzyrea, a belated You're Welcome on the patch. |
| 16:26 | wizzyrea | jwagner: you have a screenshot of how that looks? |
| 16:26 | I have a curiosity | |
| 16:26 | :) | |
| 16:26 | (as an aside, it sure would be cool if when people did interface changes they posted screenshots of how it looks on bugzilla for comment) | |
| 16:27 | (it's extra work though) | |
| 16:27 | (please don't beat me) | |
| 16:29 | jdavidb | We better be careful, kf; she'll neg-karma us both. |
| 16:29 | kf | there is not so much to neg with my karma |
| 16:30 | but I think its a good idea, I am always curious about new things to koha :) | |
| 16:30 | jdavidb | Me either; I think I only have one, and she gave it to me. What wizzyrea granteth, wizzyrea can taketh away... |
| 16:30 | kf | we use SnagIt |
| 16:32 | wizzyrea | I like jing, it's so fast and you can upload to screencast.com in 30seconds |
| 16:32 | and have a URL ready for pasting justlikethat | |
| 16:33 | kf | bookmarked that long time ago... have to look at it soon |
| 16:34 | MARC21-- | |
| 16:34 | jwagner | wizzyrea, I just added a screenshot to Bug #2652 |
| 16:34 | wizzyrea | jwagner++ for screenshot :D |
| 16:34 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2652 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Add a hot key to print slip from circulation |
| 16:34 | kf | jwagner++ positive motivation for screenshots g |
| 16:34 | jwagner | I'm just getting karma all of the place today :-) |
| 16:34 | wizzyrea | hee |
| 16:34 | so is the message editable? | |
| 16:35 | lol | |
| 16:35 | SnagIt is good too | |
| 16:35 | jwagner | Apologies for the generic library name etc. -- it's my devel server. |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | oh, that's fine |
| 16:36 | so what does that look like from the circ screen? | |
| 16:36 | (sorry, more work...) | |
| 16:36 | jwagner | Message is editable if you edit the template (separate one from the full slip). I saw your pointer to Bug #2349 and would REALLY like to go that route. |
| 16:36 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2349 normal, P2, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Allow CSS customization of circulation receipts |
| 16:37 | jwagner | The Today's Checkouts is available in the Print button on both the Checkout & Details tab of the patron record. wizzyrea, is that what you were asking? |
| 16:37 | kf | I think every slip, notice and email etc. should be editable (wanted to say edible first ;) ) and translatable |
| 16:38 | perhaps I should go home and cook dinner... | |
| 16:39 | jwagner | kf, I agree -- the notices are now handled that way, no reason other messages like slips, suggestions, etc. should be. |
| 16:39 | Speaking of edible, I think it's my lunchtime. | |
| 16:39 | wizzyrea | yep, that's what I'm asking thanks |
| 16:40 | kf | jwagner: you would get many karma points from me for a patch like that... :) |
| 16:40 | wizzyrea | bug 2349 |
| 16:40 | is the one to request editable slips | |
| 16:40 | kf | where is teh one for edible scripts? g |
| 16:40 | wizzyrea | doh you beat me |
| 16:40 | jwagner | kf, I Are Not A Real Programmer :-) I just nibble around the edges (to continue the edible theme). |
| 16:41 | kf | not a real programmer too... but I dream of getting a patch into Koha one day |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | yea, I think owen would agree that having to edit the templates directly is not a particularly good solution :/ |
| 16:41 | kf | perhaps we can talk about the tutorials nicole suggested on next IRC meeting |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | it's not very sustainable (I've tried to do it... the pain, the agony) |
| 16:41 | owen | Isn't this usually the time when someone brings up Template Toolkit? |
| 16:41 | kf | it gets worse, when you support more than one library |
| 16:42 | wizzyrea | hehe yea |
| 16:42 | kf | didn't remember the name :) |
| 16:43 | owen | Why does the the label for tags in opac-detail read "Tags from this library:" ? |
| 16:44 | Is the "from this library" significant? | |
| 16:44 | As opposed to tags from this MARC record? | |
| 16:44 | As opposed to tags from...another library? | |
| 16:44 | kf | tags from the user I think |
| 16:44 | wizzyrea | does it select tags added only from patrons of the library of the logged in user/ |
| 16:44 | ? | |
| 16:44 | wow that sentence made no sense | |
| 16:45 | is there some logic that shows only tags created by patrons of the logged in user's library? | |
| 16:46 | owen | wizzyrea: that seems complicated enough to sound implausible. |
| 16:46 | wizzyrea | (if so that would explain the label) |
| 16:46 | yea, I don't *think* that's the case | |
| 16:46 | owen | And besides, it says that whether or not you're logged in |
| 16:46 | wizzyrea | well there you go |
| 16:47 | kf | I guess it just means all tags opposed to the user's tags |
| 16:48 | Sharon | what time is the koha irc meeting next week? |
| 16:48 | owen | Git blame blames Christopher Hyde |
| 16:49 | Ah, I see. | |
| 16:49 | Tags from this library as opposed to tags from LibraryThing. | |
| 16:49 | It changed when he integrated LTFL stuff. | |
| 16:49 | (which I'd still like to test, but I guess you need an account) | |
| 16:49 | kf | git++ ;) |
| 16:50 | wizzyrea | oh, HA somebody's already done that |
| 16:50 | kf | yes, you need one :( would like to test that too |
| 16:50 | and it would be great for a koha opac presentation | |
| 16:50 | wizzyrea | jdavidb: pbbbbbt |
| 16:51 | owen | However, I would expect to see the analogous label "Tags from Librarything" and I don't... |
| 16:51 | kf | hmm owen... |
| 16:52 | gmcharlt | Sharon: 06:00 a.m. EDT, 05:00 a.m. CDT |
| 16:52 | Sharon | not 4 am? |
| 16:53 | my converters are confusing me. | |
| 16:53 | it's the daylight time deal... | |
| 16:53 | kf | do you think its possible to add buttons for next and back to opac detail to go to the next title from result list? |
| 16:53 | Sharon | we may have to have diana, our early morning person, sit in on it |
| 16:53 | kf | ask wolfram alpha |
| 16:53 | gmcharlt | Sharon: yeah, pretty sure it's 5 am. for you, not 4 |
| 16:53 | wizzyrea | wolfram_alpha++ |
| 16:53 | kf | it did know where I live and gave me the right time :) |
| 16:55 | Sharon | omg, that is the coolest site ever |
| 16:55 | owen | kf++ for the tip. I'd tried Google before for that and it failed. |
| 16:55 | kf | yeah, I tried several converters first |
| 16:56 | Im always confused about am and pm, wolfran alpha also tells how many hours to midnight g | |
| 16:56 | @karma kf | |
| 16:56 | munin | kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3. |
| 16:56 | owen | Always nice to not wake up at 5AM and discover you're an hour early! |
| 16:57 | Sharon | I want to share that at tech day in the lightning round. reference librarians will squee |
| 16:57 | wizzyrea | WA is great for anything that has "an answer" |
| 16:58 | I just did $10 in euro | |
| 16:58 | $7.06, by the way | |
| 16:58 | kf | :) |
| 16:59 | wizzyrea | but $15 in NZ, so.. |
| 16:59 | :_ | |
| 16:59 | :) | |
| 17:00 | owen | Wow it was really touchy about the Czech crown. Had to say "czech koruny" or "KÄ?" |
| 17:09 | Well, here's an example from Christopher Hyde's library: http://librarycatalog.ebpl.org[…]iblionumber=71921 | |
| 17:09 | Under the "Tag Browser" tab is where the "tags from LibraryThing.com" appears. | |
| 17:11 | Hm, LibraryThing and Syndetics. They go all out. | |
| 17:14 | wizzyrea | aha! |
| 17:15 | owen | Colonel Mustard in the library? |
| 17:16 | jdavidb | With the pipe! |
| 17:27 | wizzyrea | | |
| 17:29 | kf | ok, time to go home - bye #koha! |
| 17:30 | owen | gmcharlt around? |
| 17:30 | gmcharlt | hi owen |
| 17:30 | owen | Hi, I notice you mentioned using Total Validator |
| 17:30 | gmcharlt | that's right |
| 17:30 | owen | I hadn't tried that, so I installed the Firefox extension. |
| 17:31 | When I use it to validate opac-detail.pl, I get errors about URLs not being escaped properly | |
| 17:31 | These are urls which contain TMPL_VARs which have ESCAPE=URL | |
| 17:33 | gmcharlt | can you give me an example page? |
| 17:33 | owen | http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrar[…]?biblionumber=427 |
| 17:34 | I notice the docs for HTML::Template say "It will do URL escaping, like replacing ' ' with '+' and '/' with '%2F'." | |
| 17:35 | And the source for that page certainly doesn't say "opac-search.pl?q=au:Uchida,+Yoshiko." | |
| 17:35 | gmcharlt | hmm - what is the specific error message - 'Bad character(s) found in link in attribute 'href': |
| 17:35 | '? | |
| 17:35 | owen | Yes |
| 17:36 | gmcharlt | hmm - you may have found a HTP bug |
| 17:36 | should be easy enough to make a tiny test case | |
| 17:37 | also, try fiddingly with where the 'ESCAPE="URL"' is placed int he TMPL_VAR wrt to NAME= | |
| 17:43 | owen | The position doesn't seem to matter |
| 18:42 | pianohacker | brb |
| 18:48 | schuster | question I'm still a newbie... I need to put a link on the login page for the intranet.html or index.html(I can't remember) what the name of that page so I can put a link on it. |
| 18:48 | owen | schuster: The login page for the staff client? |
| 18:49 | schuster | Yes |
| 18:49 | owen | I think it's auth.tmpl |
| 18:50 | Yeah. | |
| 18:50 | schuster | Well that would explain why I can't find it! I kept seeing Auth thinking Authority... doob... |
| 18:52 | owen | So you're editing templates eh schuster? How are you managing that along with Koha updates? |
| 18:52 | schuster | I'm not editing actually just exploring right now. I am going to DOCUMENT any changes I make very carefully in case I need to "reinsert" them. |
| 18:53 | owen | I can help you with the custom javascript method if you're interested. |
| 18:55 | schuster | You already have to some extent. I'm trying to figure out a good place to put a link to selfcheck so they don't have to type the URL |
| 18:57 | wizzyrea | opac nav? |
| 18:57 | opac footer? | |
| 18:57 | owen | Hmmm... If the facets sidebar doesn't show up, does that mean they're not using Zebra? http://koha.dpp.pt/cgi-bin/koh[…]ch.pl?q=ALIMENTOS |
| 18:59 | schuster | I wanted to do it from the login of the Staff for the circ desk... |
| 18:59 | wizzyrea | ohh, I see I misunderstood |
| 19:00 | you know, you could just create a separate page entirely that has the form elements to submit the login and put whatever you want on it | |
| 19:00 | i.e. not use the "official" log in screen at all | |
| 19:01 | use your own custom one stored somewhere else | |
| 19:01 | similar to re-creating the koha search box on another web page, I think owen did a post on that. | |
| 19:02 | schuster | We have firefox deployed with the login page to automatically come up at our 67 schools so that is why i wanted it on the login page. |
| 19:03 | owen | $(document).ready(function(){ $("#login").append("<p><a href=\"/path/to/self/checkout.pl\">Self-Checkout</a></p>"); }); |
| 19:03 | You could put that in intranetuserjs | |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea | that works too |
| 19:04 | schuster: how long until school starts? | |
| 19:05 | schuster | Teachers back August 17, kids 24th I think are the dates. |
| 19:07 | OWEN! you are TOOO SMART! That is way cool. Can we force it to open a new tab? I know I'm not asking for much but doesn't hurt to ask! | |
| 19:08 | owen | $(document).ready(function(){ $("#login").append("<p><a href=\"/path/to/self/checkout.pl\" target=\"_blank\">Self-Checkout</a></p>"); }); |
| 19:08 | wizzyrea | owen is too fast lol |
| 19:08 | owen | That would open it in a new window, or a new tab if you had configured Firefox to handle new windows that way |
| 19:09 | Well, I just fell back on the old target=_blank trick. Not very XHTMLish of me. | |
| 19:13 | schuster | hmmm the Self-Checkout is now showing up though on every page under the location |
| 19:14 | I also should have known about the target ="blank"... | |
| 19:17 | owen | schuster: Where is it showing up? |
| 19:17 | schuster | upper right hand corner under the location by where your login name is and logout. |
| 19:19 | owen | Oh, so back to the drawing board. |
| 19:19 | The login form doesn't have a unique ID | |
| 19:20 | How about... | |
| 19:20 | $(document).ready(function(){ $("#login #submit").after("<p><a href=\"/path/to/self/checkout.pl\" target=\"_blank\">Self-Checkout</a></p>"); }); | |
| 19:22 | schuster | very nice... Beautiful thank you... |
| 19:30 | rhcl_away | SMUG Update: "There are about half as many users here as last year. Sirsi has 4 people here compared to 1 last year." |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea | HA |
| 19:33 | owen | schuster: One more tweak: $(document).ready(function(){ $("#login #submit").parent().after("<p><a href=\"/path/to/self/checkout.pl\" target=\"_blank\">Self-Checkout</a></p>"); }); |
| 19:38 | pianohacker | What an odd concept. Treat your customers horribly, then lose them |
| 19:39 | owen | I remember around the time we were switching to Koha our spurned ILS vendor came for a meeting and let it slip that there had been something like 14 upgrades to that ILS since they last offered us one. |
| 19:41 | schuster | Oh very nice... I will give you credit for that anytime! My boss really likes it. |
| 19:43 | rhcl | Well, the way I see it is Sirsi really mishandled (or got mishandled) with the switch in ownership to Microsoft Vista. IMHO that process was so badly done that that caused them to alienate their own staff and customers. |
| 19:43 | And now they are trying to finally clean up some of the mess, but a lot of the harm has already been done. | |
| 19:44 | pianohacker | rhcl: They switched their workstations/servers to Vista, is what you're saying? |
| 19:44 | hatori | hi! sorry just a quick question: does anyone use koha for ILL? I didn't found a dedicated module for it.. |
| 19:44 | rhcl | No, poor sarcasm. |
| 19:44 | owen | hatori: No, there's no integrated ILL module |
| 19:45 | hatori | i see, so you would just add a new patron (the library where you request the book) and handle it that way? |
| 19:45 | rhcl | The holding company for Sirsi switched several years ago from 'somebody' to Vista partners. I sometimes refer to Vista Partners as Microsoft Vista,. |
| 19:45 | hatori | or rahter the other way round when you loan.. |
| 19:45 | pianohacker | hatori: We just have a single ILL card and mark the borrowing library in the item notes, but you could do it either way |
| 19:45 | rhcl | One of the principals in Vista Partners is an ex-MS executive. |
| 19:45 | pianohacker | Ahh |
| 19:46 | owen | hatori: At my library we manage ILL through a separate system, and add records to Koha for the items we receive. |
| 19:46 | ...so that they can be circulated. | |
| 19:46 | hatori | thanks pianohacker, that seems doable.. |
| 19:46 | pianohacker | It works well enough for us. |
| 19:46 | hatori | thanks owen! what system do you use for ill? |
| 19:47 | rhcl | http://www.vistaequitypartners.com/ |
| 19:48 | owen | My library is in Ohio, and we're part of statewide resource sharing system: http://www.library.ohio.gov/IT/MORE |
| 19:49 | hatori | I see.. well I'm just writing a quick evaluation of koha for my studies in Germany and wanted to do a quick fact check.. thanks for your help and greetings from Cologne! |
| 19:49 | pianohacker | Hallo, Cologne |
| 19:53 | owen | I could totally tell he was from Cologne from his username. |
| 19:55 | rhcl | :) |
| 20:04 | Snow_Fox | yawn |
| 20:08 | chrishome | morning, my vpn to work is busted, i blame sysadmin appreciation day |
| 20:09 | owen | Not the electric fences? |
| 20:09 | pianohacker | Oh, no, not the electric fences! |
| 20:10 | chrishome: PPTP VPN? | |
| 20:10 | Snow_Fox | i tried steping over a electric fence one day |
| 20:10 | chrishome | openvpn |
| 20:10 | Snow_Fox | lightning startled me |
| 20:10 | and failed | |
| 20:11 | chrishome | (its not just my vpn, its everyones vpn .. so im sure it will be fixed shortly) |
| 20:11 | pianohacker | Yah |
| 20:11 | Snow_Fox | today is sysadmin appreciation day? |
| 20:11 | chrishome | yesterday was for me, so today for you |
| 20:13 | Snow_Fox | hrm |
| 20:22 | chrishome | owen: do you remember the richard scarry books? |
| 20:22 | owen | Yeah, though not that well |
| 20:23 | chrishome | i found a dvd of them for 4$ the other day, its kahu's new favourite .. richard scarry's nursery rhymes |
| 20:24 | he's sitting at his table eating his toast and honey singing along at the moment | |
| 20:24 | owen | :) |
| 20:24 | Thatcher's favorite for many months has been Monsters Inc. | |
| 20:25 | It's all he wants to watch. | |
| 20:27 | chrishome | ohhh |
| 20:27 | i havent actually seen that one myself | |
| 20:30 | pianohacker | I recommend it |
| 20:31 | At least you're raising a kid in the DVD era. My parents actually bought a dedicated VHS rewinder so I could watch Alladin again with minimal delay | |
| 20:33 | chrishome | lol, that's awesome |
| 20:33 | or vhs player is broken | |
| 20:33 | kahu shoved a book in it cos he wanted to watch the book, and dad took it apart to get it out, and didnt put it back together right | |
| 20:33 | pianohacker | Hahahaha |
| 20:38 | Snow_Fox | nice |
| 20:38 | at least it wasnt a | |
| 20:38 | the VCR was hungry | |
| 20:38 | and in went a sandwich | |
| 20:38 | chrishome | hehe |
| 20:39 | yes that would have been worse | |
| 20:40 | pianohacker | "But daddy it made some bad noises so I added the pepto bizmol like mommy uses" |
| 20:40 | chrishome | hehe |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea | deep breathing exercises needed..... I just tried to deal with the government. |
| 20:42 | pianohacker | Tell us alll about it |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | lol suffice to say it involves a car, an incomplete title, small windows of time for vehicle inspection, a name change, money, new tags, and new schedules |
| 20:45 | chrishome | hehe |
| 20:45 | Snow_Fox | wizzy |
| 20:45 | your in kansas | |
| 20:45 | there are no cliffs | |
| 20:46 | pianohacker | she'll have to find the nearest curb |
| 20:46 | Snow_Fox | or river bank |
| 20:46 | wizzyrea | oh, good point. |
| 20:46 | Snow_Fox | if its any consolation |
| 20:46 | i just got a look at the new obamacare plan hr3200 | |
| 20:46 | its friggin scary | |
| 20:46 | say good bye to some freedoms | |
| 20:47 | after reading some of the synopses | |
| 20:47 | im tempted to just start speaking soviet | |
| 20:47 | chrishome | pianohacker: hmm i dont think agnes read your email before she replied :) |
| 20:47 | pianohacker | Snow_Fox: Please, we have enough drama without bringing in the outside world |
| 20:48 | Besides, I think you mean Russian :) | |
| 20:48 | Snow_Fox | russia is now a democracy |
| 20:48 | chrishome | alos they are more capitalist than you guys |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | so, changing the subject, I guess librarything tags are already included? |
| 20:49 | pianohacker | chrishome: Heh, yeah, it's a lot like the 1900s era US with all of the oligarchs |
| 20:49 | chrishome | with librarything for libraries i think so wizzyrea |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | sweet, will have to check that out |
| 20:50 | pianohacker | I can confirm that, wrote the syspref description not too long ago |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | ooh |
| 20:53 | pianohacker | chrishome: Maybe. My editor is technically a replacement rather than an addition to the current editor, though |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | owen was talking about it earlier. |
| 20:54 | chrishome | pianohacker: true, but no reason you cant have both eh? |
| 20:54 | pianohacker | Maybe |
| 20:54 | I've been trying to figure out how to have text paste-in, easy editing, and authorities and hidden subfields | |
| 20:54 | chrishome | 2 links, 1 to the big old one, and 1 to the new one |
| 20:54 | pianohacker | Edit as Text or summat like that |
| 20:55 | chrishome | *nod* |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | I wonder if that might make it more confusing instead of less |
| 20:55 | pianohacker | It's possible that I might be able to get a textual editor with these features using some horrifying designMode hack |
| 20:55 | Possibly | |
| 21:02 | Snow_Fox | hey quick question |
| 21:02 | if i wanted to print a single lable | |
| 21:02 | i would still have to create a batch? | |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | yepper |
| 21:05 | Snow_Fox | ok and when a new book is entered into the system |
| 21:05 | the call nubers are pluged in therea | |
| 21:05 | and when the batch is created it does all the work placing them? | |
| 21:05 | according to the template | |
| 21:05 | ? | |
| 21:05 | :-P | |
| 21:10 | wizzyrea | i believe so it's been a while since I looked at it. I can ask our librarians if you like |
| 21:14 | Snow_Fox | that would be awesome |
| 21:19 | schuster | Have a good weekend and chat with you all next week... |
| 21:20 | gmcharlt | have a good weekend, schuster |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | later schuster |
| 21:29 | chrishome | ok off to gymnastics i go |
| 21:29 | pianohacker | bye |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | ook I have a totally half baked idea |
| 21:35 | what if... | |
| 21:35 | Snow_Fox | put it back for another 10 mins |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | but |
| 21:35 | but | |
| 21:35 | but | |
| 21:36 | Snow_Fox | :-p |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | instead of cataloging and label creation being totally separate operations, what if they were integrated a little so that at the bottom of "add item" there was a "add this item to label batch" function |
| 21:36 | of course you'd have to create the label batch each day | |
| 21:37 | and it might be predicated on library specific label settings | |
| 21:37 | (for consortia, annyway) | |
| 21:37 | (like I said, half baked) | |
| 21:47 | Jo | help reqd: i need to list the features in koha 3.0not normally found in a LMS ... what are the biggies? |
| 21:49 | Snow_Fox | as to the exact features im not sure man |
| 21:49 | im new to this as well | |
| 21:49 | :-P | |
| 21:54 | wizzyrea | Tagging |
| 21:54 | is a big one | |
| 21:55 | Jo | yep - mentioned that |
| 21:55 | i think machine generated text notifications | |
| 21:56 | the budget control in acquisitions | |
| 21:56 | is serials management special in koha? | |
| 21:56 | gmcharlt | Jo: not as such |
| 21:56 | Jo | i find that i take koha features for granted and imagine every system has them |
| 21:56 | gmcharlt | i.e., most LMSs have it in one form another |
| 21:57 | Jo | this is for a survey fopr a group investigating a nationwide public library management system for NZ |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | AHH |
| 21:57 | Jo | so i really REALLY want to sell them Koha |
| 21:57 | naturally .. | |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 21:57 | naturally | |
| 21:57 | gmcharlt | it's a little low-level, but one thing that Koha has that many don't (by virtue of Zebra) is more more control over how Z39.50 and other search interface can be configured and exposed to the world |
| 21:57 | Jo | but i have never worked with another system so have no comparison |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | an enthusiastic and involved and (most importantly) helpful users group :P |
| 21:58 | gmcharlt | Koha's flexibility of customizing the OPAC *and* the staff interface is a pretty good distinguisher |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | yea, definitely |
| 21:59 | rapid pace of change/improvement | |
| 21:59 | Jo | free online help 24/07 |
| 21:59 | :) | |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | well there is that |
| 21:59 | Jo | than k you all for helping me here |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | sure |
| 21:59 | Jo | good stuff here |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | user editable help files |
| 22:00 | gmcharlt | relatively easy to have Koha interface with other software |
| 22:00 | wizzyrea | site specific in client help would probably be more accurate |
| 22:01 | ok, off to pick up the spud :) | |
| 22:01 | Jo | many translations available |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | yes, definitely |
| 22:01 | and a NZ english specific one, at that | |
| 22:01 | Jo | we are doing tagalog now but willaunch with 6 translations avauilable for our public ( |
| 22:01 | refelcting out popultaion cultural profile) | |
| 22:04 | Snow_Fox | people running screaming off a cliff |
| 22:04 | in kansas | |
| 22:04 | :P | |
| 22:19 | pianohacker | Jo: A crazy teenage developer might be a unique feature |
| 22:52 | Jo | pianohacker :) |
| 22:53 | pianohacker | bye |
| 06:07 | greenmang0 | @wunder mumbai |
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