| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:56 |
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop++ # 3.0.2 |
| 12:57 |
|
nahuel: about? |
| 12:57 |
nahuel |
gmcharlt, yap |
| 12:57 |
|
what's up ? |
| 12:57 |
gmcharlt |
just a small request - there are a lot of bugs you opened where the patch has been accepted |
| 12:58 |
|
could you go through them and close them? |
| 12:58 |
nahuel |
yes I can :) |
| 12:58 |
gmcharlt |
would you? :) |
| 12:58 |
nahuel |
yes I will :) |
| 12:59 |
gmcharlt |
thanks |
| 14:53 |
atz |
how does our translator handle input buttons |
| 14:53 |
|
like: <input type="submit" value="Submit" /> |
| 14:54 |
|
would it be better for us to use something like <button type="submit">Submit</button> ? |
| 14:54 |
|
seems like the translator would have a better chance at that |
| 14:57 |
hdl_laptop |
atz: I think input button are well managed. |
| 14:57 |
|
What is more a problem is optgroup |
| 15:07 |
slef |
hi all - can someone twitfilter this for me: tools/import_borrowers.pl accepts username but doesn't use it anywhere and neither does AddMember? |
| 15:09 |
|
wb Sharon |
| 15:10 |
schuster |
slef - username for us put the username into the opac login along with password, but I am using it through the web when loading borrowers. |
| 15:12 |
slef |
from the Tools screen? 3.0? If so, I'll just look closer to see how it works |
| 15:13 |
schuster |
slef - I have a comma delimited file that I use with all the headers and it loads very nicely. I have loaded over 53,000 borrowers this way. |
| 15:14 |
slef |
ok, looking closer |
| 15:15 |
jwagner |
schuster -- that works fine for us too, until something changes the structure of the patron table :-) Then it's just a matter of pulling the new table format (download new sample .csv from the patron import page) and revising our import scripting. |
| 15:16 |
slef |
jwagner: we've recently sent changes that lets old CSVs keep working as long as you have a new headerrow and the new field can be blank. |
| 15:16 |
|
sorry, headerrow, not new headerrrow |
| 15:18 |
jwagner |
Yes, that would work. Just wanted to point out that people need to keep an eye out for table structure changes. |
| 17:04 |
wizzyrea |
I just got the strangest report from one of my librarians... they claim that they got "kicked out" of koha when we updated the news... is this even a possible scenario?! |
| 17:05 |
|
(i'm with occam, it was probably something else, and a coincidence) |
| 17:06 |
atz |
wizzyrea: not likely |
| 17:07 |
Sharon |
Unrelated question from the same librarian - before the updates, using a * before a number (say a barcode) would pull that exact search string |
| 17:07 |
|
after the updates, that behavior disappeared. |
| 17:07 |
atz |
that seems odd, usually * is a wildcard |
| 17:07 |
Sharon |
I train that % is the wildcard |
| 17:08 |
|
are they both? |
| 17:08 |
atz |
Sharon: not sure, there are many different "searches" |
| 17:08 |
|
% is truncation/wildcard operator in mysql |
| 17:08 |
Sharon |
keyword search via the staff client |
| 17:09 |
atz |
keyword search on catalog? patron? aqcuistions? sysprefs? etc... |
| 17:09 |
Sharon |
patron and/or catalog |
| 17:10 |
|
scenario: librarian wants to find the status of a book with a specific barcode. Used to be they could type in *BARCODE and find the specific item with that barcode. Without the *, Koha would find ANY item that contained the same digits/integers as that barcode. |
| 17:11 |
|
the * 'seemed' to make koha search for that specific series of numbers, if that makes sense |
| 17:11 |
atz |
Sharon: right, so that's no good if the barcode is something common like "12" |
| 17:11 |
|
the real answer is to use adv. search and search just the field that you want |
| 17:12 |
wizzyrea |
the star usually pulled the exact item |
| 17:12 |
atz |
keyword searching is still just keyword searching |
| 17:12 |
Sharon |
not practical answer for a busy public library |
| 17:12 |
|
the * made the keyword search function as an exact search |
| 17:12 |
|
we are forever finding shortcuts to make the keyword search function like an exact search. |
| 17:13 |
atz |
it may have, but i've no understanding of that implemenation or syntax |
| 17:13 |
wizzyrea |
that's fair ;) |
| 17:13 |
atz |
it's still not exact, right? it doesn't know you want a barcode and not say... an ISBN |
| 17:14 |
Sharon |
right - it's just searching an exact string of 'something' |
| 17:15 |
pianohacker |
Does searching for barcode:BARCODE work? It should in theory |
| 17:15 |
wizzyrea |
it's much faster than fiddling through the adv search, even if you get more results. The one with the exact barcode is usually the top of the list |
| 17:16 |
|
pianohacker++ that works |
| 17:16 |
atz |
that syntax makes a lot more sense to me, too |
| 17:16 |
|
pianohacker++ |
| 17:16 |
Sharon |
it works, it's not as fast as typing * but I'll share this with my librarians. |
| 17:17 |
wizzyrea |
harder to remember though |
| 17:17 |
atz |
wizzyrea: not really, if * is still a wildcard elsewhere, it's harder to remember when it is and when it isn't |
| 17:17 |
pianohacker |
There's a file buried inside zebra's configuration directory (called record.abs, I think) that details all of the indexes, all of which can be used by searching for index:SEARCH_STRING |
| 17:18 |
atz |
pianohacker: with the unfortunate side effect of blocking searching containing ":" |
| 17:18 |
Sharon |
considering ": |
| 17:18 |
pianohacker |
@query : |
| 17:18 |
wizzyrea |
(imagine you have a lady with 6 kids, and has her receipt with barcode number and wants to know if she's turned it in, and you have another lady behind her with a screaming 6mo old... I might have trouble, in that moment of fluster, to type barcode: but that's just me) |
| 17:18 |
Sharon |
is used to separate titles from subtitles |
| 17:18 |
munin |
pianohacker: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2785 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, Andrew.moore liblime.com, NEW, dbdependant tests fail |
| 17:18 |
|
pianohacker: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=988 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chrisbigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, issuing rules message when issuingrules=0 |
| 17:18 |
|
pianohacker: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2726 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chrisbigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, in Auth_with_ldap.pm instead of doing a comparison try binding. |
| 17:18 |
|
pianohacker: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2635 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswongerfoundations.edu, NEW, Adding non-digit chars to cost fields in items causes data corruption |
| 17:18 |
|
pianohacker: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3197 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbellptfs-europe.com, NEW, Problem editing Authority MARC Subfield Structure: no "subfield code" box |
| 17:18 |
pianohacker |
Hmm, that didn't work |
| 17:19 |
|
I know there's a bug for it |
| 17:19 |
wizzyrea |
yea, it's an early one if I remember |
| 17:19 |
atz |
wizzyrea: need a keyboard macro |
| 17:20 |
Sharon |
Joe, dude....we're talking about librarians. I am one, was one, work with them...they don't know what a macro is |
| 17:20 |
|
;-) |
| 17:20 |
atz |
yeah, but if you just say "ctrl-b" inserts "barcode:" and put it on a post-it, they should get it |
| 17:20 |
Sharon |
lol |
| 17:20 |
atz |
especially if they ever used the old terminal driven ILS's |
| 17:21 |
wizzyrea |
well they'll remember anything that's on a post-it, that's true |
| 17:21 |
|
nah, most of em didn't |
| 17:21 |
|
until you swap out their monitor, lol |
| 17:21 |
|
kidding, kidding. I tease b/c I love |
| 17:21 |
atz |
i'm still like shift-control-gold-9 |
| 17:21 |
wizzyrea |
rofl |
| 17:21 |
pianohacker |
Or, if they're like the librarians at my library, they'll take your accurate handwritten post-it and turn it into an incorrect typed-out label |
| 17:22 |
wizzyrea |
ooh, yes, this I am familiar with |
| 17:22 |
atz |
ahh.... multiLIS on VMS... those were the days... |
| 17:22 |
Sharon |
I had macros that sailed through 3-4 screens when I cataloged in Horizon |
| 17:22 |
wizzyrea |
most of our librarians grew up on follett with a mouse |
| 17:22 |
Sharon |
but Liz is right - our librarians are mouse-addicts |
| 17:23 |
atz |
Sharon: yeah, terminals were blazing fast once you got up the learning curve |
| 17:24 |
Sharon |
As long as I could tab and hard return through the data, the macro was golden |
| 17:24 |
wizzyrea |
ty for the tip on the barcode: search, that's actually really helpful b/c it gives a better result than the old way anyway |
| 17:25 |
|
harder to remember, but better result, so they'll learn it |
| 17:25 |
pianohacker |
Cool |
| 17:26 |
Sharon |
I think we should JING creating the macro |
| 17:27 |
wizzyrea |
with what were you thinking we would create said macro with, atz? |
| 17:28 |
atz |
i think there are a ton of different apps for it... |
| 17:28 |
|
FF-addons, or OS widgets |
| 17:28 |
|
"witch" on OSX |
| 17:29 |
Sharon |
I just want my * back...if I whine, will I get my way? |
| 17:29 |
gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: check your email settings - patch for 3289 doesn't seem to have hit the patches list |
| 17:29 |
wizzyrea |
hrm, okies |
| 17:29 |
atz |
Sharon: dunno... it probably should be something else anyway |
| 17:30 |
|
maybe ^ |
| 17:30 |
Sharon |
that's what I was thinking - what symbol isn't used |
| 17:31 |
pianohacker |
Actually, you could probably emulate it with an intranetuserjs hack |
| 17:31 |
atz |
pianohacker: good point |
| 17:32 |
wizzyrea |
emulate the *? |
| 17:32 |
atz |
yeah, just add an onsubmit for the form, check if the value starts w/ *, expand to barcode:, return |
| 17:33 |
wizzyrea |
hm. icwutudidthar |
| 17:36 |
joetho |
what's the difference between a search with and without whatever wildcard symbol works? I just checked and I seem to get the same results with and without a % |
| 17:36 |
Sharon |
the % works great if you don't know how to spell - ex, "king, ste%" |
| 17:37 |
|
or you know all but the last 2 digits of a patron barcode 10030060026% |
| 17:39 |
joetho |
Hmmm. I still get the same results with or without the %. |
| 17:40 |
|
btw: new list of patches at https://sites.google.com/a/lib[…]cket/Home/updates |
| 17:40 |
|
Ours is scheduled for June 15 |
| 17:43 |
wizzyrea |
Yep |
| 17:45 |
pianohacker |
wizzyrea: for the emulation, you could also check, in javascript, if the field was composed entirely of numbers. That way, if * becomes useful for something else, you could use it for that and still keep your hack |
| 17:47 |
Sharon |
that sounds promising, since patron barcodes are unique, item barcodes are unique and isbns are (or should be) unique |
| 17:49 |
gmcharlt |
"should be" being the operative term for ISBNs |
| 17:50 |
pianohacker |
wizzyrea: Is that your first code-level patch? |
| 17:51 |
Sharon |
she's afk |
| 18:07 |
ShunDi |
hi everyone :) |
| 18:09 |
pianohacker |
Hello |
| 18:09 |
joetho |
Hi SHunDi |
| 18:10 |
ShunDi |
does anybody have an idea why the keyword search doesn't return any results unless you add kw= to the search term (latest koha git on lenny with zebra and icu.xml chain) |
| 18:10 |
|
all the other searches (author, title etc) seem to work fine |
| 18:25 |
pianohacker |
Have you checked your zebra error log? |
| 18:25 |
|
If it's not saving it anywhere, you can test by running it from the console |
| 18:31 |
ShunDi |
error logs are clean so far ... |
| 18:34 |
|
ok in verbose mode it says error 120 |
| 18:44 |
wizzyrea |
pianohacker: yessir |
| 19:00 |
|
hehe http://www.facebook.com/photo.[…]71b&id=1078323327 |
| 19:49 |
chris |
morning |
| 19:49 |
|
nice mug wizzyrea |
| 19:50 |
rhcl |
Hi Chris |
| 19:50 |
brendan |
hi chris |
| 19:51 |
rhcl |
Liz: is what way is there a relationship, if any, between the xtra strength Tylenol and the Koha cup? |
| 19:53 |
wizzyrea |
:D |
| 19:53 |
|
come on, it never gives you a headache? ;) |
| 19:54 |
|
chris: ty!! just got it today |
| 19:54 |
jwagner |
Some of us bypass the Tylenol and head for the booze.... (At least in our dreams) |
| 19:54 |
wizzyrea |
well I like my liver, so I avoid doing both at the same time... |
| 19:54 |
|
but yes, sometimes booze is required |
| 19:57 |
chris |
ohh that is pretty cool |
| 19:58 |
|
User has to enter a word in english and press space or return to transliterate the word. The destination language can be selected from a drop down list. User can |
| 19:58 |
|
+temporarily turn on/off the feature by using "ctrl +g". |
| 19:58 |
|
A system preference - GoogleIndicTransliteration can be used to turn on this feature. |
| 19:58 |
gmcharlt |
chris: yep |
| 19:59 |
|
the google API also supports transliterating Arabic as well as the Indic languages |
| 19:59 |
chris |
patches_from_india++ |
| 20:00 |
|
sweet |
| 20:00 |
gmcharlt |
there is a downside, though - means that all your OPAC searches pass through Google's servers |
| 20:00 |
|
or rather, all of the ones that you have transliterated |
| 20:00 |
chris |
true |
| 20:02 |
|
probably need to add that to the help |
| 20:02 |
|
so people are at least aware thats happening |
| 20:13 |
|
still getting used to this new routine, im on 4 weeks paid leave from work, and laurel is on 14 weeks parental leave (paid for by the govt) its been 2 years (since i worked at home) since I have spent this many consecutive days at home hehe |
| 20:13 |
wizzyrea |
<3 NZ, so, so very much |
| 20:14 |
chris |
http://www.visionofhumanity.or[…]ults/rankings.php |
| 20:14 |
|
wizzyrea: its parental too, so you can split it, i could take 7 she take 7, or i could take 14, or 10-4 etc |
| 20:22 |
|
http://www.oss.asia/ <--interesting |
| 20:27 |
pianohacker |
bye, all |
| 20:28 |
chris |
@karma |
| 20:28 |
munin |
chris: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (3), "koha" (2), and "patches_from_india" (1). Lowest karma: "patches_from_india" (1), "pianohacker" (1), and "git" (1). |
| 20:28 |
atz |
sirsi-- |
| 20:29 |
chris |
heh |
| 20:29 |
|
did you see the ptfs-europe announcement |
| 20:29 |
atz |
git++ # git's not allowed to be lowest karma |
| 20:29 |
|
chris: the evergreen one? |
| 20:29 |
chris |
library shifting from unicorn to koha .. i think that might be the first unicorn to koha? |
| 20:29 |
|
http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ticle.pl?RC=13764 |
| 20:30 |
atz |
that doesn't seem likely to be the first |
| 20:30 |
|
i'm pretty sure we've migrated ppl, but maybe I'm just thinking staff... since david was a unicorn admin like me before |
| 20:32 |
chris |
you are probably right, its always nice to get a sirsi/dynix one that isnt moving because horizon has been killed :) |
| 20:32 |
atz |
yeah, true |
| 20:37 |
richard |
hi |
| 20:39 |
chris |
hi richard, another nice day today eh? |
| 20:40 |
richard |
sure is. actually any day when it's not blowing a screaming southerly at this time of the year is nice :) |
| 20:41 |
wizzyrea |
nekls came from unicorn |
| 20:42 |
chris |
ohh cool, i knew you were cool |
| 20:42 |
wizzyrea |
you know, the more I look at the word unicorn, the weirder it looks |
| 20:42 |
chris |
:) |
| 20:42 |
wizzyrea |
HA |
| 20:43 |
|
I honestly didn't have a lot to do with automation when we were on unicorn... much more for me to do with koha, and I like it. |
| 20:44 |
|
someone's gotta muck about with the nerdcore aspect of it :P |
| 20:44 |
chris |
heh |
| 20:50 |
ShunDi |
does anybody have an idea why the keyword search doesn't return any results unless you add kw= to the search term? |
| 20:51 |
joetho |
ShunDi: I saw this question earlier and I have been thinking about this. |
| 20:54 |
ShunDi |
zebrasrv gives reports "Search biblios ERROR 120" if you leave out the kw= ... can't figure out why only the keyword search is broken |
| 20:55 |
joetho |
what happens if you add kw: instead of kw= ?? |
| 20:55 |
ShunDi |
if I remove the icu chain keyword search works normal again |
| 20:55 |
joetho |
ah |
| 20:56 |
ShunDi |
kw: works, too |
| 21:00 |
|
don't get it how the chain breaks only this search ... |
| 21:05 |
joetho |
I am reading up on this a bit and I don't see how the icu chain would affect only one search. It seems like it would be an all or none. |
| 21:06 |
schuster |
FYI South Central is Classic Dynix moving to Koha...;) |
| 21:07 |
joetho |
schuster: did you get my email the other day abou the consortium listserv? |
| 21:07 |
schuster |
Question for those RSS guru's... Is there a way to do a search limiting by date added in the OPAC? |
| 21:07 |
|
Joetho - yes I did, is this a different consortium list from the Incolsa one? |
| 21:07 |
joetho |
one and the same |
| 21:07 |
schuster |
I'm technically not a consortium, but like to lurk... |
| 21:08 |
|
Joetho - what do you need me to do for registration? |
| 21:08 |
joetho |
Hmmm. I didn't think of that. School District= branches. |
| 21:08 |
ShunDi |
joetho: exactly my thoughts ... |
| 21:08 |
schuster |
Yep... different beast all together! 67 branches/locations... |
| 21:09 |
joetho |
It is now listed on the Koha listserv page |
| 21:09 |
|
http://koha.org/about/get-invo[…]ts/mailing-listsg |
| 21:09 |
schuster |
OK I'll check it out when I have a few minutes... or now since you provided me the link! |
| 21:09 |
joetho |
67 sounds like a lot. |
| 21:10 |
schuster |
We'll be 68 next year, then 69, then 70! One a year then we will see what happens. |
| 21:12 |
|
joetho - I'm on that page, but don't see anything about a consortium list? |
| 21:12 |
|
doo... sorry second one on the list not sure what I was looking for. |
| 21:13 |
joetho |
So, you turn 68 next year, then 69 the next year, then 70 the year after that... |
| 21:14 |
|
We are adding two libraries later this summer and that is plenty for me. |
| 21:23 |
schuster |
Much better than the year we opened 3-4 at a time... Our neighbor city is now doing that but they are doing about 5 a year! |
| 21:24 |
|
Well off to pickup the kids! Their last day of school... My oldest is now a 3rd grader at 8 years old 9 in october... they do grow fast. |
| 23:23 |
gmcharlt |
testing logging |
| 23:31 |
|
test message |
| 23:32 |
|
another test |
| 23:52 |
|
@bug 2499 |
| 23:52 |
munin |
gmcharlt: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2499 normal, P3, ---, chris.nighswongerliblime.com, ASSIGNED, Improvement on text wrapping algorithm needed |
| 23:55 |
gmcharlt |
@bug 2505 |
| 23:55 |
munin |
gmcharlt: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2505 blocker, P3, ---, galen.charltonliblime.com, NEW, enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts |
| 23:57 |
gmcharlt |
@bug 2501 |
| 23:57 |
munin |
gmcharlt: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2501 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, RESOLVED FIXED, Spelling Error - Serials Summary Page |
| 23:58 |
gmcharlt |
@bug 2502 |
| 23:59 |
munin |
gmcharlt: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2502 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, galen.charltonliblime.com, RESOLVED FIXED, Placing a hold via staff interface gives errant warning of patron account expired. |
| 01:08 |
IrmaCalyx |
G'day #koha |
| 01:08 |
|
Is anyone online? |
| 03:16 |
chris |
afternoon |
| 03:16 |
richard |
hey chris |
| 03:17 |
|
yeah. it does look really nice out there |
| 03:18 |
chris |
kahu and I even got an ice cream each and played at the park |
| 03:31 |
Amit |
hi brendan, chris, mason |
| 03:31 |
|
good morning |
| 03:32 |
|
chris: i have completed 100% translation koha (OPAC) in Hindi |
| 03:32 |
chris |
cool |
| 03:32 |
|
unfortunately you just missed the 3.0.2 release |
| 03:33 |
|
but people can at least download the .po file until 3.0.3 |
| 03:35 |
Amit |
ok |
| 03:37 |
|
chris: I think this is first 100% translation |
| 03:38 |
chris |
for Hindi yes |
| 03:39 |
mason |
hello peoples |
| 03:39 |
Amit |
hi mason |
| 03:40 |
mason |
hiy amit |
| 03:43 |
|
i wonder how much effort it would take to get the title/author fields in the import_biblio records to be indexed, and searchable with zebra... |
| 04:00 |
Amit |
hi honey |
| 04:00 |
honey |
Hi amit |
| 04:01 |
|
I saw that ur opac hindi translation has been completed....great |
| 04:03 |
Amit |
hmm... thanks |
| 04:15 |
|
hi selfish Man |
| 04:20 |
|
chris: Today i m going to Delhi |
| 04:32 |
chris |
for work? |
| 04:35 |
Amit |
no i m going to my home for 1 week first delhi then dehradun |
| 05:29 |
|
chris: check http://delhipubliclibrary.in/ |
| 05:30 |
|
see some indic search button |
| 05:30 |
|
on the site |
| 05:54 |
|
chris: see this and select hindi http://kohav3demo.osslabs.bi |
| 05:55 |
|
http://kohav3demo.osslabs.biz |
| 06:30 |
Elwell |
nice comment about sth->finish. I must admit I hadn't read the man pages recently :-) |
| 06:38 |
kf |
good morning #koha |
| 09:38 |
CGI452 |
hi |
| 10:45 |
litarena |
hi |
| 11:27 |
kf |
hi |
| 11:32 |
chris |
hi |
| 11:32 |
kf |
hi chris, still awake? |
| 11:33 |
chris |
yep, mum and 2 kids are asleep, just catching up on tons of emails |
| 11:35 |
kf |
got a mail from German koha list .) |
| 11:35 |
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problems with icu.xml and Koha |
| 11:36 |
chris |
ahh |
| 11:37 |
kf |
always exciting to find out about other people in Germany experimenting with Koha :) |
| 11:37 |
chris |
yep thats good to hear :) |
| 11:38 |
kf |
but I told him to write to Koha, we had similar problems, but I dont know how we solved it and colleague is still on vacation |
| 11:38 |
chris |
good idea |
| 11:40 |
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ok time for sleep |
| 11:42 |
kf |
good night chris |
