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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:04 | hdl_laptop | git format-patch -3 |
| 12:04 | works too | |
| 12:09 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: so opac-dictionary.pl and dictionary.pl can be removed? |
| 12:10 | hdl_laptop | it was already broken in 2.2 |
| 12:23 | gmcharlt | Hui_Nan_: will you be sending your patches to patcheskoha.org? |
| 12:29 | Hui_Nan_ | thank you for asking |
| 12:29 | I sent them to koha-patcheslists.koha.org |
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| 12:30 | am I wrong? | |
| 12:33 | gmcharlt: ? | |
| 12:35 | ebegin | Hui_Nan_, the email to send patch to is patcheskoha.org. koha-patches is a mailing list on which the applied patches are sent |
| 12:35 | Hui_Nan_ | ok |
| 12:39 | so, patches sent to the patcheskoha.org are reviewed by QAM and if accepted - they published to koha-patches or what? |
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| 12:39 | slef | yes |
| 12:40 | except that it is the RMs reviewing at the mo because there is no QAM | |
| 12:45 | schuster | Morning all! |
| 12:45 | Hui_Nan_ | good evening schuster %-) |
| 12:45 | ebegin | hi david |
| 12:46 | hdl_laptop | hi david |
| 12:47 | Hui_Nan_ | CY, all! |
| 13:17 | hdl_laptop | bbs |
| 14:23 | ebegin | atz, in the Koha 2.0 LDAP Configuration, there is a note by the userid field mentionning # UNIQUE in next release. I think that it is now the case, right? |
| 14:23 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]:development:ldap | |
| 14:39 | Anyone is using a LDAP server (or had setup one)? | |
| 14:47 | atz | ebegin: koha userid must be unique, but the mapping to your schema could target any unique attribute |
| 14:49 | ebegin | ok. thanks. On another, but related topic, which dateexpiry do you set to the borrowers? |
| 14:54 | hdl_laptop | ebegin: it all depends on your mapping ;) |
| 14:55 | you can take a date from ldap or let Koha calculate. (Would need a patch to allow that though) | |
| 14:56 | wizzyrea | mornin peps |
| 14:56 | we're having a kegger today | |
| 14:56 | :) | |
| 14:56 | (koha explorers group) | |
| 14:59 | ebegin | I think that I'll let Koha compute it though, using the default category enrollment period. |
| 14:59 | hi wizzyrea! | |
| 15:01 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt: re: messaging enhancement, you want us to set up the defaults in Test right? |
| 15:01 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: hmm, not necessarily |
| 15:02 | will need to be done in production in order to update the patrons | |
| 15:02 | wizzyrea | okies |
| 15:02 | we'll send you email to confirm putting it on the production server then | |
| 15:02 | :) | |
| 15:02 | gmcharlt | also, since installing it in production does mean that you'll be getting the accumulated bug fixes |
| 15:03 | please make sure that you're set up for those as well | |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea | oki, is there a list (or where will it stop on the Git list) |
| 15:03 | of the updates | |
| 15:05 | i'm pondering a template "reset" and re-evaluating all of the changes we've made | |
| 15:05 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: yeah, I sent one to mickey |
| 15:05 | wizzyrea | and setting up version control at the same time possibly |
| 15:05 | gmcharlt | and +1 to template reset and version control |
| 15:05 | but then, I don't expect you're surprised to hear me say that ;) | |
| 15:05 | wizzyrea | hehe no, not surprised at all |
| 15:05 | probably good to do periodically anyway | |
| 15:06 | even the best human sometimes isn't as good as the computer ^.^ | |
| 15:06 | schuster | Do you post the notes from your Keggers meetings? |
| 15:06 | wizzyrea | yea, at www.nexpresslibrary.org |
| 15:06 | later today | |
| 15:06 | schuster | Do you have them on a Schedule? in case someone might want to sometime attend? |
| 15:07 | wizzyrea | i'm still giggling about the wisconsin ppls |
| 15:07 | Wiske. *giggle* | |
| 15:07 | yea, we meant to post this one but we had an agenda production fail | |
| 15:07 | er, the organizers did | |
| 15:08 | sorry about that >.< | |
| 15:10 | gmcharlt: I'll need a little help with what I'm doing with Git, it's not something I use everyday (yet) | |
| 15:10 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: sure |
| 15:10 | wizzyrea | but I'll get with you later about that (and yes, I've read the wiki lol) |
| 15:11 | rhcl | wiz: are your keggers open for others to attend? |
| 15:11 | gmcharlt | and what a fine wiki it is ;) |
| 15:11 | wizzyrea | absolutely |
| 15:11 | we have them (er, have been having them) fairly regularly, rhcl | |
| 15:12 | rhcl | well, uh, however correctly I can put this...we'd like to attend. |
| 15:12 | schuster | wiz what do you mean by regular.. |
| 15:13 | wizzyrea | bi-monthly |
| 15:13 | ish | |
| 15:15 | Sharon | Wow, there are like 15 folks here... |
| 15:16 | ebegin | wizzyrea, are you the one who records the videos? |
| 15:16 | hdl_laptop | Sharon: all the ppl are not talking. |
| 15:17 | Sharon | Sorry, I meant physically here at our KEGger meeting. Lots of Kansas libraries using Koha. |
| 15:17 | rhcl | Are you going to tweet the meeting? |
| 15:17 | :) | |
| 15:19 | wizzyrea | not usually... rhcl I can certainly try to tweet the meeting |
| 15:19 | rhcl | I not much of a tweeter to be honest... |
| 15:20 | But if you had been planning to do it anyway, I might have monitored. I have stuff to do off this computer since I'm going on vacation tomorrow. | |
| 15:21 | wizzyrea | I'll tag #509kegger |
| 15:22 | pianohacker | Ah, a KEGger? When? |
| 15:23 | schuster | Right now... ;( |
| 15:23 | pianohacker | Oi, okay |
| 15:24 | schuster | wizzyrea - I need to pick your brain on how you modified the advanced search in the catalog and moved the library/sort up by the search options. |
| 15:24 | I'll drop you an email... | |
| 15:24 | wizzyrea | oki, I think that's a template update that was included in a patch we got lately |
| 15:24 | but not sure | |
| 15:24 | happy to help tho :) | |
| 15:25 | schuster | I'm just learning layout stuff... |
| 15:25 | Cool - you are ahead of me on template updates I think right now... | |
| 15:29 | wizzyrea | /w atz would you check the SIP server for NEKLS plz, I'm getting reports of Send/Expect fails :( |
| 15:29 | erg lol | |
| 15:45 | Sharon | http://lybrarian.wordpress.com/ < I'm trying to blog the kegger |
| 15:59 | atz | hrmmm... no webpages loading for me.... i think the ISP's DNS are down.... |
| 16:10 | Sharon_ | Liz is explaining bugzilla |
| 16:32 | joetho | Hi liz |
| 16:35 | Hello LIZ | |
| 16:35 | lizzy | hi folks |
| 16:35 | this is liz from NEKLS, say hi to the KEGGER participants :D | |
| 16:35 | pianohacker | 'allo! |
| 16:35 | owen | Hi KEGgers! |
| 16:35 | gmcharlt | hello |
| 16:37 | joetho | What are you working on, pnohakr? |
| 16:37 | lizzy | I can't remember, is the date range inclusive or exclusive? |
| 16:37 | for circulation reports | |
| 16:38 | slef | joetho: your keyboard appears to be losing characters |
| 16:39 | lizzy | slef: intentional I think |
| 16:39 | pianohacker | joetho: Some holds stuff |
| 16:39 | joetho | I have been losing character for a long time. |
| 16:39 | we are introducing a roomful of koha users to IRC | |
| 16:40 | rhcl | KEG KEG KEG! Go! Go! Go! |
| 16:40 | pianohacker | Ah, this might be useful then: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=irc_regulars |
| 16:41 | owen | If Ohio had enough Koha users we could have OEGer meetings. |
| 16:41 | Oh dang the K isn't for Kansas. :( | |
| 16:42 | lizzy | yea, anybody can have keggers |
| 16:42 | :D | |
| 16:44 | gmcharlt: are the votes on bugzilla 200 forever or 200 resetting after a certain time? | |
| 16:45 | gmcharlt | lizzy: for all time; you can reallocate your votes at any time |
| 16:45 | lizzy | oh, sweet |
| 16:46 | thanks :) | |
| 16:52 | ttyl, LUNCH! Woo! | |
| 16:52 | thanks peps | |
| 16:52 | owen | Aw man, we don't get to come to lunch too? |
| 16:53 | wizzyrea | lol owen |
| 16:53 | pianohacker | I think if we showed up in person, we _could_ have lunch |
| 16:53 | slef | gmcharlt: do you get CLOSED bug votes back? |
| 16:53 | wizzyrea | they had really no idea about all of the ins and outs of bugzilla, git, irc, etc. Consider them somewhat more educated :D |
| 16:53 | owen | slef: good question! |
| 16:53 | wizzyrea | Yes, you do |
| 16:53 | slef | (would be a good way to encourage closure) |
| 16:53 | wizzyrea | slef++ |
| 16:54 | gmcharlt | slef: you can grab them back, sure - not sure if they automatically come back |
| 16:57 | pianohacker | All this talk of lunch reminds me that I should probably eat a late breakfast |
| 16:57 | brb | |
| 17:03 | atz | slef: good question |
| 17:03 | (sorry if i missed the answer during that disconnection) | |
| 17:06 | gmcharlt | atz: answer is ou can grab them back, sure - not sure if they automatically come back |
| 17:06 | atz | "unvote" |
| 17:07 | funny b/c "devote" is the opposite of the negation that the term wants | |
| 17:08 | if you "devote" a vote, you vote it. | |
| 17:10 | pianohacker | Slightly abtruse terminology in Bugzilla? Never! |
| 17:14 | wizzyrea | lulz |
| 17:23 | pianohacker | Hmm, reserve/placerequest.pl seems to be assuming that bib# = bibitem# |
| 17:25 | I think that was marked as not safe, right? | |
| 17:43 | atz | pianohacker: yeah, it *should* be the same, but it isn't guaranteed currenly |
| 17:46 | pianohacker | Ah, that's right |
| 17:46 | I'm going to make that assumption; GetReserveFee is difficult enough already | |
| 17:51 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: sorry, please don't |
| 17:51 | pianohacker | Ah, problems? |
| 17:51 | gmcharlt | there are a lot of databases in the wild where that assumption doesn't hold true |
| 17:54 | pianohacker | Easy enough to work around. Just out of curiosity, what's causing it? |
| 17:55 | gmcharlt | mostly the fact that nothing's enforcing it; one slip during migration, and the sequences get out of sync forever |
| 17:57 | pianohacker | Hmm, none of those databases would be able to place holds. That's rather frightening |
| 18:11 | gmcharlt: Thanks | |
| 18:20 | joetho | missed you guys at lunch. It was a very talky one! |
| 18:25 | wizzyrea | does anybody know about the staff XSLT and the 245 field? specifically whether the p and n fields will be shown? i'm on terribly slow internet |
| 18:25 | they want to show 245p, n, and b | |
| 18:25 | in the results and on the detail | |
| 18:26 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: should be there now, or else there's a pending patch - I forget which |
| 18:27 | wizzyrea | i'm guessing it's pending it's not in our catalog (though we're behind) |
| 18:37 | the commit you're thinking of is for opac only I think | |
| 18:37 | if it's http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]ef507303316702966 | |
| 18:37 | ccurry | Has anyone integrated Koha 3 with Windows Active Directory LDAP? I've been trying to do so, following the documentation at http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]:development:ldap, but I'm getting the following error after saving /etc/koha3/koha-conf.xml: |
| 18:37 | " | |
| 18:37 | The following fatal error has occurred: | |
| 18:37 | Extra content at the end of the document | |
| 18:38 | at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/LibXML/SAX.pm line 64 | |
| 18:38 | at /usr/share/perl5/XML/Simple.pm line 287 | |
| 18:38 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha3/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 29. | |
| 18:38 | Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha3/intranet/cgi-bin/members/member.pl line 26. | |
| 18:38 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha3/intranet/cgi-bin/members/member.pl line 26. | |
| 18:38 | " | |
| 18:38 | pianohacker | ccurry: If you have long errors to show, please put them on http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 18:38 | ccurry | ok...sorry about that. |
| 18:40 | http://pastebin.ca/1427715 | |
| 18:41 | gmcharlt | ccurry: my guess is that koha-conf.xml is no longer well-formed |
| 18:41 | ccurry: if you have xmllint, try running koha-conf.xml through it | |
| 18:41 | pianohacker | np, not that big a deal :) |
| 18:42 | ccurry | @gmcharlt Thanks; should have checked that first, I suppose. |
| 18:45 | gmcharlt: That was it...now I feel foolish. I forgot to close a tag...thanks for pointing me in the right direction. | |
| 19:01 | Well-formed xml got me to the next error: http://pastebin.ca/1427732 | |
| 19:01 | Can someone have a look at my ldap config and verify I've used the right syntax. It looks right to me, but something is obviously not right. Any thoughts: http://pastebin.ca/1427730 | |
| 19:03 | The ALL-CAPS data, of course, has real data in my config. | |
| 19:08 | ebegin | ccurry, can you double check the info in the <base> tag? |
| 19:08 | You have 2 DC | |
| 19:09 | forget that.. it's ok | |
| 19:10 | just to be sure, do you have the <useldapserver>1</useldapserver> | |
| 19:11 | ccurry | <base> tag is right as far as I can tell, but I'll check the AD export to be sure i got the syntax right. |
| 19:11 | and yes. | |
| 19:11 | I did add <useldapserver>1</useldapserver> to the <config> tag. | |
| 19:15 | Turns out my <base> tag wasn't quite right, but I fixed it and I get the same error, starting on the same line of Carp.pm. | |
| 19:19 | gmcharlt | ccurry: I think <ldapserver> needs to be inside <config> |
| 19:19 | ccurry | Ah. I'll try that... |
| 19:21 | Got a different error; looks like you are correct. Thanks for the help. I'll see if I can' figure it out from here. | |
| 19:21 | :(|) | |
| 19:29 | ebegin | Goodluck ccurry! |
| 19:30 | ccurry | Thanks! |
| 19:53 | schuster | I've modified this page and added a link for enhancements with directions thoughts? http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]portingfornewbies |
| 19:53 | SelfishMan | oh hai |
| 19:53 | schuster | I'll also post it to the koha-devel list later today. For some reason I can't get into that email account at the minute. |
| 19:53 | SelfishMan | Somehow this channel was buried in my irssi channel list |
| 20:02 | CGI234 | sf |
| 20:07 | chris | brrrrr its cold |
| 20:07 | ebegin | chris, I bet that it's colder overhere... |
| 20:08 | chris | probably |
| 20:08 | ebegin | :) |
| 20:08 | chris | though today we have a southerly |
| 20:08 | and there is nothing between my house an antartica | |
| 20:09 | an=and | |
| 20:09 | so the wind can be pretty cold | |
| 20:09 | owen | Wow, that's quite a way to think about it! |
| 20:09 | chris | well theres a lot of ocean ;) |
| 20:09 | to be truthful | |
| 20:10 | schuster | 80 degrees F here... I like my Texas weather thanks... |
| 20:10 | ebegin | hehe... well.. there is a lot of thing between my house and north pole, so you win ;) |
| 20:10 | chris | you are in montreal eh ebegin ? |
| 20:10 | ebegin | yes |
| 20:11 | chris | i work with someone from around that area too |
| 20:12 | ebegin | really? who? |
| 20:12 | chris | francois marier |
| 20:12 | (lives in nz now) | |
| 20:12 | ebegin | nice! |
| 20:13 | Based on his name, he is probably speak french too | |
| 20:13 | chris | he sure does :) |
| 20:14 | he works mostly on moodle and mahara | |
| 20:14 | so i dont see him much during the week, but i talk to him every friday at beer oclock :) | |
| 20:15 | ebegin | hehe... beer oclock.. I like that |
| 20:16 | I hope he is a nice guy | |
| 20:16 | chris | he sure is, he is a debian developer too, so very helpful to know |
| 20:18 | schuster: wiki pages look great ! | |
| 20:20 | schuster | Step one in the process... Tomorrow I'm going to work on getting a committee together. |
| 20:21 | Talk to ya tomorrow! | |
| 20:28 | ccurry | ok...one more question. I've exhausted my troubleshooting abilities. I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.ca/1427806. It's referring to my default value in ldapserver/mapping/categorycode. All of the users in our LDAP directory are staff and there is no field in Active Directory that I can map here, so I've used the value "S" from the borrowers table. Any thoughts? |
| 20:29 | pianohacker | As I understand it, you need to add an "is" attribute to the categorycode tag in your mapping |
| 20:30 | I think it can refer to a nonexistent field | |
| 20:30 | ebegin | ccurry, try <categorycode is="">S</categorycode> |
| 20:33 | pianohacker | Either way looks safe, from a quick scan of the source |
| 20:33 | ccurry | ebegin: that worked! Thanks! |
| 20:34 | pianohacker: Thanks! | |
| 20:34 | pianohacker | no problem |
| 21:13 | bye | |
| 21:26 | chris | ohhh handy |
| 21:26 | http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/[…]atic-message.html | |
| 21:35 | ort9217 | indeeeeed... |
| 21:39 | ebegin | it is always a question of the quality of the automatique translation... |
| 21:40 | Jo | morning |
| 21:40 | chris | hey jo |
| 22:00 | cant stay away pianohacker ? | |
| 22:02 | pianohacker | Nope :) |
| 00:08 | ryan | lol... "Blorg! AIYA!!!" |
| 00:09 | chris | ?? |
| 00:10 | ahh ;) | |
| 00:58 | mason | i have a pretty basic and stupid circ question.. |
| 00:59 | in koha3-stable - how can i allow check-outs to a patron, if they current have overdue items? | |
| 00:59 | pianohacker | Does this patron have fines |
| 00:59 | ? | |
| 01:00 | mason | nope |
| 01:00 | heya jesse ;) | |
| 01:00 | pianohacker | Hey mason :) |
| 01:01 | Is there no barcode entry box at all, or does it pop up an error when you scan an item? | |
| 01:01 | brendan | once you get to the checkout screen -- I think there should be something you can click on (a little hyperlink) that should unbar (un-debar) them |
| 01:01 | heya mason | |
| 01:01 | pianohacker | |
| 01:01 | pianohacker | heylo |
| 01:01 | mason | oops, my bad! |
| 01:01 | brendan | at least (I think I remember that being a question one time) |
| 01:02 | mason | a 'localized' mod broke this :/ |
| 01:02 | pianohacker | Ah |
| 01:02 | I'd better log off for the evening. Good night, all | |
| 01:02 | brendan | cool |
| 01:02 | goodnight | |
| 01:02 | pianohacker | bye |
| 01:03 | brendan | how you doing mason? |
| 01:05 | mason | heya , good thanks |
| 01:10 | sorry, was debugging.. | |
| 01:12 | somehow in my Circ::sub CanBookBeIssued { ) sub.. | |
| 01:12 | ive picked up a bloclk that calls .. | |
| 01:12 | my ($blocktype, $count) = C4::Members::IsMemberBlocked($borrower->{'borrowernumber'}); if($blocktype == -1){ | |
| 01:13 | . | |
| 01:13 | which doesnt seem to exist in lastest stable or head, did i add this code locally myself ?!? | |
| 01:14 | chris | git blame |
| 01:14 | mason | oooh, me goggles... |
| 01:16 | 0060634c (Nahuel ANGELINETTI 2009-01-28 10:37:02 +0100 704) my ($blocktype, $count) = C4::Members::IsMemberBlocked($borrower->{'borrowernumber'}); | |
| 01:16 | . | |
| 01:16 | wow, that is one sweet trick , chris++ | |
| 01:21 | looks like that commit has introduced a bug in circ.. | |
| 01:21 | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]103;hb=3.0.x#l704 | |
| 01:40 | so if anyone is listening re: my previous circ bug.. | |
| 01:40 | this commit here.... | |
| 01:40 | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]4e3c8f87e5372b564 | |
| 01:41 | there are sysprefs that override and allow issuing - even with outstanding overdues... | |
| 01:42 | this commit doesnt check for those sysprefs, and stops check-outs | |
| 01:42 | chris | sounds like a bug that needs to be fixed |
| 01:43 | mason | now - im not yet too sure *what* the sysprefs are, to be checked |
| 03:20 | Amit | hi chris, brendan, mason good morning |
| 03:27 | Jo | Morning AMit |
| 03:35 | Amit | hi jo |
| 03:38 | brendan | heya amit |
| 03:38 | hi jo | |
| 03:41 | Jo | hi brendan |
| 06:02 | mason | chris: about? |
| 06:52 | chris | am now |
| 06:52 | for a bit before bath time | |
| 08:23 | slef | blurgh |
| 08:24 | chris | ? |
| 08:24 | slef | woke up this morning feeling slime (to the tune of "something tells me I'm into something good") |
| 08:25 | anyway, our new website is already gathering more enquiries, which is good | |
| 08:25 | chris | that is good |
| 08:26 | slef | and bizarrely it's from an organisation I had contact with during my doctorate |
| 08:26 | (which means it's on the other coast, but hey ho) | |
| 08:39 | about to open my koha list mailbox. Wish me luck! | |
| 08:42 | chris | its pretty quiet today |
| 08:43 | slef | not opened since the weekend |
| 08:45 | chris | ahh probably only one annoying one then :) |
| 09:01 | slef | ah no wait - opened and read a few Monday |
| 09:01 | but who cares? :) | |
| 09:01 | chris | :) |
| 09:03 | kf | test loading authority data today :) |
| 09:03 | chris: wie gehts dir? | |
| 09:03 | slef | kf: oooh! ooooh! oooooh! MARC21? |
| 09:03 | kf | yes |
| 09:03 | slef | 3.0? |
| 09:04 | kf | HEAD |
| 09:04 | chris | kf: ahua pai, kei te ngenge au :) |
| 09:04 | kf | found out that $0 is not supported yet, there is a faq from nicole about using $9 instead |
| 09:04 | slef | chris: mluvite anglicky |
| 09:04 | kf: FAQ URL? | |
| 09:04 | kf | mom |
| 09:05 | slef | tyvm |
| 09:05 | kf | http://new.koha.org/documentat[…]?searchterm=auth* |
| 09:06 | slef | chris: nicht schlect, ein bisschen ... dang, can't remembered tired |
| 09:06 | yep, HEAD auth control is a rewrite | |
| 09:06 | kf | müde |
| 09:07 | slef | at least I think it is |
| 09:07 | kf | nicht schlecht, ein bisschen müde |
| 09:07 | slef | kf: my unicode is broken too |
| 09:07 | kf | you guys are good! |
| 09:08 | slef | I suspect one would say "I have tiredness" usually but I can't remember |
| 09:08 | kf | slev: tyvm? I think thats a new one for my vocabulary list |
| 09:08 | slef | I only ever watch TV in German now |
| 09:08 | kf: doing a bsc and phd at uea, tlas are aok | |
| 09:09 | kf | ok, trying to follow you slef: marc21 auth import broken? |
| 09:10 | slef | actually, AuthoritiesMarc is refactored but not much different |
| 09:10 | no | |
| 09:10 | marc21 auth display is much weaker than UNIMARC | |
| 09:10 | kf | hm |
| 09:11 | chris | nose_tweak++ |
| 09:11 | slef | and AuthoritiesMarc seems to have hardcoded HTML in it |
| 09:11 | this is a problem for me to fix soon | |
| 09:11 | kf | nice to hear that |
| 09:11 | changing source code is something we try to avoid right now | |
| 09:11 | slef | I think marc21 only does See/See Also |
| 09:12 | kf | still hoping that it will work out of the box ;) |
| 09:12 | slef | while unimarc does a full range of NT, BT, UF and so on |
| 09:12 | USE, RT, ... | |
| 09:12 | TR, SN, ... sure I'm still missing some | |
| 09:12 | I've been working on this too much this week :) | |
| 09:13 | probably still missed something | |
| 09:15 | biab | |
| 09:18 | kf | will this be part of 3.2 then? |
| 09:20 | promised authority data for end of year / perhaps beginning next year, but those "German changes" to MARC21 give me some headache - authority id-numbers, hierarchical titles, missing descriptors... | |
| 09:22 | hm, what are those . ; : at end of fields are called? | |
| 09:24 | hdl_laptop | signs ? |
| 09:26 | kf | hi hdl |
| 09:27 | when used in MARC21,for example: 245 10$aCancer research : | |
| 09:27 | there is a : at the end of the field, but I dont know how to call them | |
| 09:27 | chris | colon |
| 09:27 | is the english name for : | |
| 09:27 | kf | yes, but isn't there a word for those signs in MARC21 context? |
| 09:28 | German word is "Deskriptionszeichen" | |
| 09:28 | chris | you only have a : an the a |
| 09:28 | if there is a $b field | |
| 09:28 | (subtitle) | |
| 09:28 | because when it displays in most systems it displays title : subtitle | |
| 09:29 | kf | yes, I found that out. I got data from our union catalog where all those signs are missing |
| 09:29 | chris | its to do with the ISBD and old card catalogue days |
| 09:30 | kf | and wondered if there is a special name for them in MARC21 context |
| 09:30 | chris | nope |
| 09:30 | kf | ok |
| 09:30 | chris | not as far as i know |
| 09:31 | In records formulated according to ISBD principles, subfield $a includes all data up to and including the next mark of ISBD punctuation (a colon (:) when subfield $a is followed by subfield $b, a semicolon (;) when subfield $a is followed by another subfield $a, and a comma (,) when subfield $a is followed by subfield $c). | |
| 09:31 | MARC is retarded | |
| 09:31 | thats what R stands for :) | |
| 09:31 | Most Annoying Retarded Catalogue | |
| 09:32 | everytime i read the rules for it, it reminds me how annoying it is :) | |
| 09:32 | kf | I will quote you |
| 09:32 | chris | heh |
| 09:33 | kf | and it doesn't help that Germany is switching to MARC and Koha is one of the first systems we test our data with |
| 09:34 | chris | yeah |
| 09:34 | makes it harder when you are learning 2 things at once | |
| 09:36 | kf | and documentation is in English |
| 09:36 | chris | i hope your bosses appreciate how hard you are working :) |
| 09:37 | kf | dont know, but I will better start working now and read some more MARC21 documentation |
| 09:39 | chris | good luck |
| 09:40 | kf | thx chris |
| 09:48 | slef | it still freaks me out when people are discussing MARC in seminars |
| 09:48 | even though I call myself MJ | |
| 09:50 | chris | heh |
| 11:29 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 11:30 | slef: I'll make sure that the next KohaCon you're able to attend has at least one session on MARC :) |
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