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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:06 | kf | perhaps its just because names with initials are not common in Germany, normaly just the first name is used |
| 12:08 | jwagner | OK, thanks. I'll ask again later to catch other time zones, but it sounds like I'm safe so far. |
| 13:18 | CGI574s | hello |
| 13:18 | how are you guys? im bill, from accounting | |
| 13:19 | fuck | |
| 13:21 | bill | i found you |
| 13:39 | jwagner | gmcharlt, online? |
| 13:39 | gmcharlt | jwagner: hi |
| 13:40 | jwagner | Hi there. Question for you -- in the various patches you've been asking people (including me) to update to XHTML. I don't know anything about this syntax. Is there a useful source? What needs to be done if you're modifying an existing template file? |
| 13:41 | gmcharlt | jwagner: the syntax itself is easily googled. As far as testing for XHTML validity, I recommend the HTML Validator add-on for FireFox |
| 13:41 | which changes the FF view source command to also run a check of the validity | |
| 13:41 | in the specific case of the MARC21 fixed field plugins | |
| 13:42 | my recent patches to the leader plugin give a model to follow | |
| 13:42 | there are some specific things | |
| 13:42 | 1. where a template has something like <option value="foo" SELECTED>, valid XHTML is <option value="foo" selected="selected" /> | |
| 13:43 | the selected="selected" bit is just the XML representation of a tag's attribute | |
| 13:43 | to step back a bit | |
| 13:43 | the key thing to keep in mind about XHTML | |
| 13:43 | is that it's basically HTML that's also supposed to be valid XML | |
| 13:44 | which has following consequences | |
| 13:44 | - there's an XML schema for XHTML that's used for validation | |
| 13:44 | - all elements (tags) need to be closed - for things like <br>, that means that they should be <br /> | |
| 13:45 | or like <input name="foo" id="foo" type="text" /> | |
| 13:45 | etc. | |
| 13:45 | dealing with initial set of warnings returned by HTML validator | |
| 13:45 | can be a little intimidating at first | |
| 13:45 | jwagner | OK, I've installed the plugin & will read up on it. The closing syntax is <br /> instead of the old HTML </br>? |
| 13:45 | gmcharlt | but it's usually not that big of a deal |
| 13:46 | jwagner: right, for those elements that don't normally have end tags - you still do <p>text</p> for example | |
| 13:47 | the main bit that can get tedious is if it discoveres that you have an extra (or missing) <div> or </div> | |
| 13:48 | jwagner | OK. As a standard practice, any time we're updating template files do you want us to check for this stuff? |
| 13:48 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 13:49 | all output in staff and OPAC should be valid XHTML | |
| 13:51 | jwagner | Sigh. So much for a quick minor screen change patch :-( I'll see what I can figure out, thanks. |
| 13:51 | I saved your leader patch because I saw the XHTML refs, but haven't looked at it closely yet. | |
| 13:51 | gmcharlt | the practice will do you good :) |
| 13:52 | jwagner | Harrumph. |
| 13:52 | Elwell | oh, and lowercase too |
| 13:52 | gmcharlt | although seriously, if a page currently has a bunch of XHTML validation errors |
| 13:52 | it is acceptable to punt and just patch the immediate issue | |
| 13:52 | jwagner | To make sure I got the right plugin -- I loaded HTML Validator, but it seems to be referring to Tidy and SGML. Doesn't specifically mention XHTML that I can see. |
| 13:52 | gmcharlt | as long as you don't add to the number of reported issues |
| 13:53 | jwagner: that's the right plugin - you want it to turn on SGML validation | |
| 13:53 | (long boring history of XML and how it developed from SGCML skipped over for now) | |
| 13:53 | jwagner | OK, that's the one I picked (I think). Now I just load a page & turn on the plugin? |
| 13:53 | gmcharlt | yeah, turn on the plugin |
| 13:53 | and right click and view source | |
| 13:54 | jwagner | Will do, thanks. |
| 14:44 | OTH | hello |
| 15:02 | hdl_laptop | hi OTH |
| 15:03 | atz not around. | |
| 15:04 | gmcharlt | just not on channel |
| 15:04 | looking for him? | |
| 15:05 | hdl_laptop | I wanted to know what he would do with granularpermissions |
| 15:07 | JavierFM | hdl_laptop: de donde eres?? |
| 15:07 | hdl_laptop: hello how are you?? | |
| 15:08 | quill: helllo | |
| 15:08 | hdl_laptop: what?? | |
| 15:08 | hdl_laptop | hi from France |
| 15:08 | JavierFM | hdl_laptop: heyyy man I talk spanish |
| 15:08 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: he's starting off adding granular permissions for cat and acq |
| 15:09 | hdl_laptop | ok thx. |
| 15:10 | I saw that granular permissions was quite thought to be the default. | |
| 15:10 | JavierFM | nice to meet you |
| 15:10 | i am Cuban | |
| 15:15 | hdl_laptop: hey what do you do | |
| 15:20 | atz: hello | |
| 15:20 | atz | hello |
| 15:20 | JavierFM | !voice |
| 15:20 | !op | |
| 15:20 | !k nicomo | |
| 15:20 | atz: how are you | |
| 15:21 | atz: un gusto verte por aki | |
| 15:21 | atz | JavierFM: i'm pretty good... lots of work to do |
| 15:24 | JavierFM | atz: where are you? |
| 15:24 | atz | Columbus, OH |
| 15:24 | (usa) | |
| 15:27 | JavierFM | okis |
| 15:28 | i am from Cuban | |
| 15:29 | La Habana City | |
| 15:29 | atz | cool |
| 15:29 | JavierFM | atz: how many time did you are here in this chat!!!? |
| 15:29 | atz: how you will see i am not so good in the english jajajaja!! | |
| 15:30 | atz | I am usually here on weekdays |
| 15:30 | monday - friday | |
| 15:40 | wizzyrea_away | quick search question: what field does the OPAC advanced search -> notes/comments search? |
| 15:41 | hdl_laptop | wizzyrea: see note in record.abs |
| 15:45 | wizzyrea | just to make sure I'm reading this right: |
| 15:46 | melm 505 Note:w,Note:p | |
| 15:46 | this means that marc field 505 is where it's looking for notes/comments? | |
| 15:47 | gmcharlt | it's at least one of them |
| 15:47 | there can be multiple melm's feeding to same index | |
| 15:48 | though it looks like 505 is the only one at moment | |
| 15:48 | somebody sent a patch to include item-level notes (925$z), but that one hasn't necessarily made it to you yet | |
| 15:55 | wizzyrea | AH |
| 15:56 | well we'll look forward to the itemlevel notes | |
| 15:56 | I think you just saved yourself a support ticket lol | |
| 15:56 | ;) | |
| 15:56 | OTH | atz: heyy man the internet here is short band |
| 15:57 | atz | OTH: where is that? |
| 15:57 | OTH | cuba |
| 15:57 | atz | cool |
| 15:58 | OTH | atz: brother i study infomatica |
| 15:58 | atz: what hve that of cool?? | |
| 15:59 | atz | it's cool that packet radio is still in use... i don't know anybody using it here |
| 16:00 | OTH | atz: you speak spanich, man?? |
| 16:00 | atz | no hablo (not much anyway) |
| 16:03 | OTH | atz: jejeje ok |
| 16:03 | :) | |
| 16:03 | atz: what do you do | |
| 16:04 | brendan: my love you remember me | |
| 16:04 | ? | |
| 16:04 | atz | OTH: I work for LibLime on koha code |
| 16:04 | OTH | i am JavierFM |
| 16:04 | atz: good | |
| 16:04 | atz: how old are you | |
| 16:05 | atz | 31 |
| 16:05 | OTH | ok i am 17 |
| 16:05 | how many time you have chating here?? | |
| 16:06 | atz | i'm here daily |
| 16:06 | OTH | atz: what is the meaninig of your nick |
| 16:07 | atz | it is part of my name |
| 16:07 | OTH | what is your name complete |
| 16:08 | atz | joe atzberger |
| 16:08 | OTH | atzberger??? in what languague are that |
| 16:08 | ? | |
| 16:08 | atz | german |
| 16:09 | OTH | the my is OTH |
| 16:09 | OneTreeHill | |
| 16:09 | hey you are descendent of hitlre??? jejje | |
| 16:09 | wizzyrea | are you a descendant of castro? |
| 16:10 | atz | pretty sure no... my dad's ancestors left germany about 1850 |
| 16:10 | OTH | wizzyrea: no my love noooooo I am Javier Fernandez Machin , is just for you know |
| 16:11 | atz: baffff is a relieve | |
| 16:12 | wizzyrea | technically, hitler was austrian ^.^ |
| 16:14 | OTH | wizzyrea: sure?? |
| 16:14 | wizzyrea: ok if you say it | |
| 16:14 | wizzyrea | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_hitler |
| 16:15 | OTH | ok i go |
| 16:15 | wizzyrea: my love nice to meet you | |
| 16:15 | atz: friend say something | |
| 16:16 | somebody know commands of irc | |
| 16:16 | ? | |
| 16:17 | atz | try /help ? |
| 16:18 | OTH | atz: heyyyy i am net admin ok |
| 16:18 | in my country i am the operator in the central channel | |
| 16:27 | hey people are you there??? | |
| 16:28 | quill_: hello man | |
| 16:36 | gmcharlt | general question to all |
| 16:36 | I'm working on the patron messaging preference system | |
| 16:36 | and since the code the set the preferences is duplicated between OPAC and staff | |
| 16:37 | (and will be duplicated again in staff so that default preferences can be set per patron category) | |
| 16:37 | I'm planning to create a class to generate and process that form | |
| 16:37 | any thoughts about the best namespace for it? | |
| 16:39 | OTH | kreo ke me voy a ir de aki |
| 16:42 | pianohacker: hello man i am JavierFM you rememberme | |
| 16:42 | ? | |
| 16:42 | pianohacker | Hello |
| 16:43 | ¿Como está? | |
| 16:43 | Bleh, forgot an accent | |
| 16:43 | Anyway | |
| 16:44 | OTH | pianohacker: jejeje un gusto verte de nuevo mi amigo |
| 16:44 | komo estas | |
| 16:44 | ? | |
| 16:45 | pianohacker | Bien |
| 16:46 | OTH | pianohacker: me alegro |
| 16:48 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: I imagine you and others at NEKLS will want to add yourselfs to the CC list of bug 3222 |
| 16:48 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt: looking |
| 16:49 | yes, THANKS :D | |
| 16:49 | gmcharlt | note that the deadline in the bug is an estimate of when it will hit the public tree |
| 16:49 | you'll be testing it before then | |
| 16:49 | OTH | byebye |
| 16:50 | wizzyrea | of course... super, they'll be so happy. This enhancement in bugzilla thing works well I think |
| 17:02 | bummer, I was going to thank hdl for his help | |
| 17:02 | just made our cataloger so happy :) | |
| 17:08 | pianohacker | Hmm, looking at part four of bug 3222 |
| 17:09 | gmcharlt: What would the real-life scenario for that be? | |
| 17:09 | gmcharlt | making sure that if an item is transferred to fill a hold (and thus getting checked in several times along the may) |
| 17:10 | the patron gets the notification only once, when the item is actually at the pickup library | |
| 17:10 | _eric_b | gmcharlt, Does the new system has a setting like "Prefered language". |
| 17:11 | gmcharlt | _eric_b: for patron messages? no, it doesn't at present |
| 17:11 | _eric_b | This would allow the user to define in which language he wants to receive its messages. |
| 17:13 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: Ah, okay. That makes sense |
| 17:14 | _eric_b | pianohacker, of course ;) |
| 17:15 | I'm living in a bilingual world, so I have to keep an eye on this kind of details! Vive le Quebec! :) | |
| 17:17 | pianohacker | Heh. Sounds much like Little Havana in Miami |
| 17:17 | wizzyrea | NEKLS spec'd that one, sorry we didn't think in terms of bilingual >.< |
| 17:17 | or multi-lingual | |
| 17:18 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: one of the advantages of the sponsorship model is you don't necessarily have to sponsor what you don't use yourself ;) |
| 17:18 | of course, if something would *preclude* doing something like what _eric_b needs | |
| 17:19 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt: I honestly do make an effort to make sure that when we do enhancements, we think about it in a way that benefits all users of koha |
| 17:19 | gmcharlt | Dan and I would ever-so-gently guide you away, or let you know of a potential pitfall for other Koha users |
| 17:19 | wizzyrea | :) I'm sure you would |
| 17:19 | your way is better anyway, usually | |
| 17:20 | (er, I'm sure you have, rather) | |
| 17:20 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: it is great that you are making an effort to think about the larger issues |
| 17:21 | and obviously, I can't catch anything | |
| 17:21 | e.g., I'll try to make sure that something won't break UNIMARC support, for example | |
| 17:21 | but actually coding for UNIMARC users I would leave to the UNIMARC experts | |
| 17:21 | _eric_b | btw, we are also using MARC over here. |
| 17:22 | wizzyrea | if you heard some of the ways they wanted to do things here... oi. You'd laugh. |
| 17:23 | our meetings are very entertaining sometimes | |
| 17:23 | "but why can't it put a man on mars?" | |
| 17:23 | well... | |
| 17:25 | gmcharlt | give me a trillion dollars, and anything is possible ;) |
| 17:25 | can't reach Mars, but I wonder if the ISS has a library that needs a catalog? | |
| 17:26 | pianohacker: getting Koha in use on all 7 continents doesn't seem quite ambitious enough :) | |
| 17:26 | pianohacker | Hehe |
| 17:26 | jwagner | New topic for folks: I asked earlier for people in early (relative to me) timezones, repeating for later logins -- question about patron registration. Do any sites (esp non-US sites) use the initials field in the patron record for other than middle initials, like Q in John Q. Public? I'm contemplating a minor screen change/relabelling, and don't know whether to keep it local or send to community. |
| 17:42 | pianohacker | jwagner: When I imported our borrower data, I set it to the full initials of the person (like JMF or GMC) |
| 17:43 | But it looks like our circ staff has not been doing that | |
| 17:43 | So a muddy "Yes, we do use it for something different" | |
| 18:06 | jwagner | Sorry, was off on another screen. I have a request to move the middle initial up a line in the patron edit screen (to follow first name) and to show it on the patron results list and display page. Would this be a problem? I can make it obey a syspref. |
| 18:07 | wizzyrea | Here's what I think: instead of relabeling, you ought to be able to choose exactly what you see on your add patron screen in the sysprefs |
| 18:08 | pianohacker | Hrm |
| 18:08 | May I vote for CSS instead? | |
| 18:08 | Not quite as user-friendly, but even with my new editor the sysprefs screen is already a morass | |
| 18:09 | wizzyrea | It would probably be more like the circ rules pages |
| 18:09 | pianohacker | Yup |
| 18:09 | wizzyrea | it's own thing |
| 18:09 | jwagner | Yes, I could do the label via jquery. Wanted to check about displaying the initials, if that would be a problem for anyone. |
| 18:09 | pianohacker | jwagner: Probably not, but you might want to send a message to koha-devel |
| 18:09 | wizzyrea | I think we hid that field entirely |
| 18:12 | jwagner | OK, thanks. It ties in with some other development, so I'll noodle it around some more. |
| 18:15 | wizzyrea | I still really want the ability to select exactly what fields show (and in what order!) on the add patron screen. ^.^ |
| 18:15 | pianohacker | Hrm |
| 18:15 | wizzyrea | kind of like Wordpress's widget interface, but not necessarily ajax |
| 18:16 | pianohacker | I have an idea that might fix the first problem, though not the second |
| 18:16 | wizzyrea | well the 1st is probably much more important |
| 18:17 | the order can be dealt with | |
| 18:17 | pianohacker | So, if we give each field or line a unique id (which they might already have, in fact), they can be hidden by CSS |
| 18:17 | wizzyrea | yea, that is true |
| 18:17 | hm, I see where you're going with this I think | |
| 18:18 | pianohacker | If we have an administration screen for "Customize interface" that could create a table with rules for each branch, screen and interface item |
| 18:18 | (or even patron categories or itemtypes) | |
| 18:18 | Then the only remaining part would be something that took those rules and generated CSS automatically for each page | |
| 18:18 | Does that make sense? | |
| 18:20 | jwagner | wizzyrea, I want the same thing (decide which fields, what order) for the bib record display! |
| 18:21 | wizzyrea | pianohacker: yea, exactly! |
| 18:21 | jwagner: I wrestle with the same thing every day lol | |
| 18:22 | wizzyrea + xslt != fun and == much swearing | |
| 18:22 | esp since they're hard coded. | |
| 18:22 | guess that's a cleanup project I could undertake lol | |
| 18:23 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: cool |
| 18:23 | Oh man, XSLT | |
| 18:24 | wizzyrea | iknorite |
| 18:24 | ./facedesk | |
| 18:29 | pianohacker | I remember trying to customise the Docbook XSLT stylesheets to have something approaching aesthetics |
| 18:29 | What a nightmare that was | |
| 18:40 | wizzyrea | pianohacker: if you're going to make a customize interface screen, you could take all of those sysprefs and park them there |
| 18:40 | pianohacker | Hmm |
| 18:41 | wizzyrea | might make a little more sense? |
| 18:41 | pianohacker | Yeah, maybe |
| 18:41 | wizzyrea | idk, it's just a thought |
| 18:41 | the OPACNav, OPAC CSS, etc | |
| 18:41 | pianohacker | Yup |
| 18:41 | Actually, some of those would fit in perfectly | |
| 18:42 | wizzyrea | are you familiar with wordpress at all? |
| 18:43 | pianohacker | A very little bit. I do have an abandoned wordpress.com blog I could poke at, if you mention something from it |
| 18:43 | wizzyrea | WP has a Design/Appearance menu that holds all (most, anyway) of the design elements |
| 18:44 | from there you can edit the template files (probably not something you'd want to allow in the case of koha but I could see it in the context of the OPACNav type prefs) | |
| 18:45 | and the coolest part is the widget interface | |
| 18:45 | imo | |
| 18:46 | not sure it would work with the way you proposed but in my experience it's a fairly easily learned interface | |
| 18:49 | pianohacker | Ah, I see it |
| 18:49 | That is quite nice | |
| 18:51 | wizzyrea | I could kind of see a thing like the edit theme files menu, with a list of all editable preferences that you click to get their boxes |
| 18:51 | +current content | |
| 20:11 | chris | status updated, contractions have gone away, looks like false alarm this time |
| 20:13 | gmcharlt | new baby's trying to keep you two awake even before it's born |
| 20:13 | chris | hehe yes |
| 20:13 | practice :) | |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | I'll have a new nephew tomorrow :D |
| 20:17 | brendan | chris - do you know if it's another boy or a girl? |
| 20:17 | chris | boy |
| 20:17 | after we couldnt tell at the 20 week scan we decided we didnt want to know | |
| 20:17 | brendan | wow -- invest in some boxing gloves ;) |
| 20:18 | chris | so typical of our children, at the 36 week scan .. you couldnt not see :) |
| 20:18 | wizzyrea: congrats :) | |
| 20:18 | brendan | yes wizzyrea congrats |
| 20:20 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: congrats! |
| 20:21 | wizzyrea | lol, not a shy one, eh/ |
| 20:22 | chris | contrary already too :) |
| 20:22 | wizzyrea | oi! |
| 20:22 | I call it 'persistent' | |
| 20:23 | chris | heh |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | well *my* kid is persistent, anyway. Instead of 'stubborn' or 'contrary' |
| 20:25 | chris | kahu is stubborn, but sometimes contrary too, usually with his cousin manaia |
| 20:26 | they have conversatiosn taht consist entirely of "yes" "no" "no" "yes" "yes yes yes" "NOOOO" | |
| 20:26 | wizzyrea | LOL |
| 20:27 | Manaia, that is a pretty name | |
| 20:29 | chris | his full name is a mouthful :) |
| 20:29 | Te Manaia o Rotokoutuku | |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | wow no kidding |
| 20:30 | that's awesome though | |
| 20:31 | chris | have i told you kahu's full name with all his middle names? |
| 20:31 | Kahurangi James Lee Barr Cormack | |
| 20:31 | Barr is laurels surname | |
| 20:31 | wizzyrea | That's a mouthful |
| 20:31 | chris | Lee is her mothers maiden name |
| 20:32 | James comes from my granddad | |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | it's a pretty awesome name though |
| 20:32 | chris | yeah, we figure give him a pile, and he can pick one when he is older hehe |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | hee! |
| 20:36 | brb... technical difficulties must reboot (stuck CD) | |
| 20:40 | pianohacker | chris, gmcharlt: did you see earlier discussion about css customization? |
| 20:43 | chris | hmm ill scroll back |
| 20:45 | using css to control the layout of the add patron screen? | |
| 20:46 | pianohacker | Auto-generated css, from a rules table |
| 20:47 | Difficult to think on no sleep | |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | that's the basic idea, yea |
| 20:49 | chris | i like in principle |
| 20:49 | but it will slow things down | |
| 20:49 | richard | hi |
| 20:49 | pianohacker | True |
| 20:49 | Might have to wait for memcached, depending on the speed hit | |
| 20:49 | chris | so maybe we need to have a way to regen the css from the staff interface |
| 20:49 | and then serve the static files | |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | the speed thing occurred to me as well |
| 20:52 | BUT... it's not the circ screen, it's less important that it loads super fast | |
| 20:52 | gmcharlt | also, do you make that a user-level preference or database-wdie |
| 20:52 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: I'd probably start by making it branch-wide |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt: i saw it the same as pianohacker |
| 20:53 | gmcharlt | I think that if you care enough to customize the patron editing form, you likely are entering enough patron records that you want it to be pretty snappy |
| 20:53 | pianohacker | Maybe |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | yea, I'm not so sure about that |
| 20:53 | pianohacker | But perhaps you just want the initials field to go aawy |
| 20:53 | gmcharlt | i.e., there's no point in fine-tuning of the layout of the form for usability if it becomes too slow |
| 20:53 | pianohacker | *away |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | that's true, except the human clock cycles you spend scrolling past the things you don't use might make up for that |
| 20:55 | but speedier is better | |
| 20:56 | pianohacker | I'll just have to benchmark it |
| 20:56 | If the generated css is cached in /tmp and removed by the interface customization screen, it should speed it up enough until we get a Koha-wide caching system prepared | |
| 20:57 | chris | yeah |
| 20:57 | the big trick is | |
| 20:57 | nginx can serve directly from memcached | |
| 20:57 | you could use nginx to serve the static files and css | |
| 20:57 | and apache to do the rest | |
| 20:58 | course now you are making it super hard to get going :) | |
| 20:58 | pianohacker | That would be especially helpful for large OPACs |
| 20:58 | Yeah, it would have to be optional | |
| 20:58 | chris | but in large installs yes |
| 20:59 | pianohacker | If we stored the css in a way so that both Koha and nginx could read it, then had a "StaticFilesHost" or similar syspref, I think that would make it easy enough to choose whichever approach worked better for you |
| 21:01 | chris | *nod* |
| 21:01 | you get a decent speed win just by using nginx to serve the js and images | |
| 21:01 | it can do it a lot faster than apache can | |
| 21:09 | ok heading into work now | |
| 21:26 | atz | pianohacker: serving anything from /tmp is *not* recommended |
| 21:26 | pianohacker | atz: Well, that's good to know |
| 21:26 | Why not? | |
| 21:26 | atz | it's a security thing |
| 21:27 | what's going to keep another process from overwriting your file with, say, a 2GB binary | |
| 21:28 | pianohacker | Hrm, that is a problem |
| 21:29 | gmcharlt | typical solution is to define a cache directory |
| 21:29 | that Koha CGI scripts would have write access to | |
| 21:29 | and be careful | |
| 21:29 | pianohacker | Yes |
| 21:30 | gmcharlt | about 1) not spewing an indefinitely amount of stuff into it |
| 21:30 | and 2) locking down access to that directory as much as possible | |
| 21:30 | pianohacker | One solution I thought of was to make sure the file is rw------- |
| 21:31 | atz | that's a good start, but doesn't help if everything (and 100 other CGIs) are all running as httpd |
| 21:31 | pianohacker | atz: True, though that's a problem with any cache directory, really |
| 21:31 | atz | pianohacker: except that the directory is not known ahead of time |
| 21:32 | i can install koha wherever in my tree, but /tmp is always the same | |
| 21:32 | gmcharlt | except, of course, when it isn't, if the windows port ever gets revived |
| 21:33 | i.e., even you were going to use /tmp, that's not cross-platform | |
| 21:33 | atz | hrm... radio is reporting on protesters at Ohio St. library going w/ electronic journals over print |
| 21:33 | odd..... | |
| 21:33 | gmcharlt | seriously? |
| 21:33 | atz | yes |
| 21:33 | "24 protesters gathered..." | |
| 21:34 | chris | wow .. 24 ... thats ... huge???? |
| 21:34 | atz | not much out of a 50,000+ person institution |
| 21:34 | "24 people have found the library" | |
| 21:34 | gmcharlt | but surprisingly large for an actually in-person protest about electronic journals |
| 21:34 | atz | yeah |
| 21:35 | it sounded like it was conjoined w/ the redesign claiming what used to be "shelf space" for other purposes | |
| 21:35 | gmcharlt | and I'd have thought it would have been about Elsevier sullying its reputation as an arms dealer by publishing fake medical journals ;) |
| 21:35 | atz | so basically a "we heart stacks" protest |
| 21:37 | pianohacker | Should this be an "optional security" thing? That is, have a syspref or koha-conf.xml option 'resource_cache_dir' that defaults to File::Spec->tmpdir , but can be changed for shared or untrusted environments? |
| 21:38 | gmcharlt | I think koha-conf.xml is better |
| 21:38 | but I thnk it should never default to File::Spec->tmpdir | |
| 21:38 | instead, I suppose we can create a new standard subdirectory for it | |
| 21:39 | pianohacker | in installer.pl, with the right permissions? |
| 21:39 | Should be manageable | |
| 22:14 | How would you manage upgrades, though? | |
| 22:59 | gmcharlt | Makefile.PL can handle creating new directories |
| 22:59 | and script could take care of patching koha-conf.xml | |
| 03:23 | Amit_G | hi brendan, chris, mason |
| 03:23 | good morning | |
| 03:23 | brendan | heya Amit_G - who is amit |
| 03:24 | Amit_G | hi i m amit |
| 03:24 | mason | morning peoples |
| 03:24 | Amit_G | brendan: I am Amit |
| 03:24 | hi mason | |
| 03:31 | hi i think git.koha.org site is down | |
| 03:31 | chris | fine for me |
| 03:37 | Amit_G | chris it's opening git.koha.org |
| 03:54 | mason | ok for me too.. |
| 04:13 | Amit | mason: now it's open |
| 04:14 | chris:http://www.iplt20.com/ | |
| 04:14 | delhi is on top | |
| 04:16 | chris: i think today i m completed my dari translation | |
| 04:18 | chris | cool |
| 05:31 | Amit | chris: http://pazpardemo.osslabs.biz/pazpar2/jsdemo/ |
| 06:08 | brendan | heya nahuel |
| 06:15 | chris | Amit: http://translate.koha.org/prs/ |
| 06:15 | if you send me your translated .po files ill upload them here | |
| 06:15 | and then they will go into the next release of koha | |
| 06:17 | brendan | Good night all -- I need a good night sleep |
| 06:17 | Amit | ok |
| 06:17 | i will send u | |
| 06:18 | chris | good night brendan |
| 06:21 | Amit | good night chris |
| 06:22 | chris: i have already work on http://translate.koha.org/prs/opac3_0/ | |
| 06:23 | u can also download po file from there( work is on progress) | |
| 06:23 | chris | no need to download from there, thats what goes into koha |
| 06:24 | but i thought you said you had finished | |
| 06:24 | and it still says lots to be translated .. are they all suggestions? | |
| 06:24 | _eric_b | Hi chris. |
| 06:25 | Is there a way to get notify when new strings are added and need to be translated? | |
| 06:25 | fr_CA is 100% atm, so I want to know if other string are added. | |
| 06:25 | chris | if so, i will email the savitras, and get him to accept them |
| 06:25 | i will email koha-translate | |
| 06:26 | anytime new strings are added | |
| 06:26 | _eric_b | Ok. Could be nice to find a way to do it automatically though... at least, nice for you :) |
| 06:27 | chris | Amit: hmm i dont see any suggestions either |
| 06:27 | Amit | means |
| 06:27 | chris | _eric_b: well i have to add the new strings anyway :) |
| 06:27 | Amit | k |
| 06:28 | chris | _eric_b: so firing off an email isnt much extra |
| 06:28 | and it only happens once or twice between each release | |
| 06:29 | _eric_b | No extra when YOU add new strings :) |
| 06:29 | Amit | chris; translation work is on progress |
| 06:29 | chris | ok |
| 06:29 | _eric_b | Anyway, your the one who knows ;) I don't mind receiving an email by you or by a machine... |
| 06:29 | chris | _eric_b: yeah, im the only one who can :) |
| 06:30 | its easier that way, otherwise we might end up with all sorts of mess | |
| 06:30 | _eric_b | chris "the machine" Cormack ;) |
| 06:32 | chris | heh |
| 06:38 | hi nicomo | |
| 06:38 | nicomo | hi chris and all |
| 06:39 | _eric_b | bonjour nico |
| 06:39 | nicomo | chris: i guess your being here means that wasn't the day yet, right? |
| 06:39 | salut _eric_b | |
| 06:41 | Amit | chris: how i would search marc21 tag in koha pootle for ex: 001-Control number |
| 06:41 | chris | you wouldnt, its only the templates |
| 06:42 | nicomo: not yet | |
| 06:42 | Amit: we dont have the marc frameworks translatable in pootle yet | |
| 06:42 | Amit | ok |
| 06:53 | nahuel | hi brendan :) |
| 06:53 | hi all | |
| 06:53 | chris | hi nicomo and kf |
| 06:53 | nahuel | hi chris |
| 06:53 | _eric_b | chris, could it be easy to add a part of a .sql file in the translation engine? |
| 06:54 | I would like to make the framework translatable :) | |
| 06:58 | the language would still be selected at the install time, though | |
| 07:01 | thd | _eric_b: It might be easier and would certainly be more useful to redesign how the MARC frameworks are implemented and function |
| 07:08 | _eric_b: Under the present SQL mode,l you could write a script to repopulate the language label columns in the SQL files which build the MARC frameworks | |
| 07:09 | s/mode,l/model,/ | |
| 07:12 | chris | id like to get the frameworks to be able to use .po files |
| 07:13 | then it wouldnt need to be selected at install time | |
| 07:13 | and could be updated between releases also | |
| 07:14 | of course im sleep deprived and may be talking rubbish :) | |
| 07:15 | oh, and i meant to say 'hi nahuel and kf' before .. see sleep deprived :) | |
| 07:16 | nahuel | héhé :) |
| 07:18 | kf | hi chris :) and all #koha |
| 07:18 | chris | all caught up on emails kf? |
| 07:23 | kf | finally |
| 07:23 | chris | :) |
| 07:24 | mason | me heads home.. |
| 07:24 | kf | but reading is one thing, today I have to write my answers |
| 07:25 | chris | cya mason |
| 07:25 | mason | chris: hows laurel doing? |
| 07:27 | chris | all good at the moment, its all calm again |
| 07:27 | mason | cooly cool |
| 07:28 | ok, gotta scram for the 7:30.. | |
| 08:11 | chris | evening reed and hdl_laptop |
| 08:11 | hdl_laptop | hi chris. |
| 09:18 | chris | ahh good old rick strikes again |
| 09:57 | Amit | chris: http://72.14.185.116/ |
| 09:57 | please check this | |
| 10:00 | chris | cool, if you could send me the .po file when you have time ill add it |
| 10:06 | Amit | ok |
| 10:06 | chris: but i think .po is on the pootle itself | |
| 10:08 | hdl_laptop | hi kf |
| 10:08 | Amit | hi kf |
| 10:08 | kf | hi hdl and Amit |
| 10:13 | Amit | hi honey |
| 10:13 | honey | hi |
| 10:28 | chris | amit: http://translate.koha.org/prs/opac3_0/index.html |
| 10:28 | the po file here is untranslated | |
| 10:30 | Amit | ok |
| 10:30 | chris: i will send u po files | |
| 10:32 | chris | thank you |
| 10:32 | Amit | chris: some correction made to be done i will send u |
| 10:33 | chris | cool |
| 10:39 | night all |
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