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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 13:01 | gmcharlt | paul_p: about? |
| 13:25 | owen | Hi #koha |
| 13:26 | gmcharlt | hi owen |
| 13:26 | how is the new mini-you? | |
| 13:26 | owen | Doing great |
| 13:28 | gmcharlt | :) |
| 13:30 | owen | Seems like it's the Koha community that's going through birthing pains now |
| 13:38 | paul_p | hello world |
| 13:40 | owen | Hi paul_p |
| 14:17 | wizzyrea | mornin everybody |
| 14:17 | owen | Hi wizzyrea |
| 14:17 | gmcharlt | hi wizzyrea |
| 14:40 | wizzyrea | holy moly. what a weekend on the list |
| 14:41 | ;) | |
| 14:41 | slef | :-( |
| 14:42 | wizzyrea | the internet is a terrible place to fight. You lose so much context |
| 14:42 | owen | Yeah, that got uglier than it should have |
| 14:44 | slef | how so? |
| 14:45 | owen | I think the whole discussion of the new site got too emotional and accusatory on all sides. |
| 14:45 | wizzyrea | owen - agreed |
| 14:48 | slef | well, after patiently waiting for access for days||years, to get 2 days notice of replacement is a bit poor |
| 14:49 | owen | Not ideal, but I think Liblime is acting in good faith and trying to do their best. |
| 14:49 | The site has been a long time coming, and they've put a lot of effort into it. | |
| 14:49 | Sure they could have had an easier job if they'd gotten more help from the community, but in this case I suspect it's a matter of not knowing how to manage that process rather than wanting to exclude. | |
| 14:49 | slef | they've been working on it since at least mid-2007, so why botch it together in such a rush now? |
| 14:50 | owen | It's been so long I think it was time to commit. Get it out there and start fixing what's broken. |
| 14:51 | slef | but we can't fix what's broken |
| 14:52 | owen | That's just a temporary problem. |
| 14:52 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt: I had to do the same with the NEKLS website... nobody wanted to do the content before it went live |
| 14:52 | slef | since the start of the website replacement project |
| 14:52 | wizzyrea | so I put it up broken to force their hand |
| 14:53 | slef | but there was no need to force - we've been requesting edit access |
| 14:53 | wizzyrea | i believe it's probably a temporary condition |
| 14:54 | owen | slef, do you think Liblime has an ulterior motive for not giving you access? |
| 14:55 | slef | owen: I think LibLime is replacing the web authors. |
| 14:56 | not sure if that's an ulterior motive or if corporations can have motives besides profit, but I think that's what's happening. | |
| 14:57 | (private US corporations, at least) | |
| 14:58 | I hope I'm wrong, but I started out with the belief that it's a probably a temporary condition, but after a week, publication and launch, that belief has been shaken severely. | |
| 14:58 | owen | So in your opinion they're deliberately excluding you (and others) because they feel it's in the best interest of their company |
| 14:58 | slef | at the moment, yes |
| 14:59 | or rather, it's not in their interest to grant access to me, Chris or Russel | |
| 15:00 | I don't know who else had edit access, but I know that new webmaster Tina didn't have access until this change. | |
| 15:01 | owen | And you think she shouldn't have access? |
| 15:02 | slef | I think the community should decide - until then, the previous web authors should at least continue. |
| 15:03 | owen | I certainly agree with you that the previous authors should have access |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 15:03 | owen | I think the question of whether Tina should have access comes down to whether you assume that Liblime is a good or a bad actor in the Koha community |
| 15:04 | Seems like a lot of folks think Liblime isn't acting in the interests of the Koha community these days, and I find that hard to understand. | |
| 15:06 | wizzyrea | what is it, never assign to malice that which can adequately be explained by ignorance. |
| 15:06 | slef | I think the difference is more whether one thinks LibLime is acting in the interests of the Koha community in its entirity, or only so far as it helps LibLime and obstructing other actors. |
| 15:06 | wizzyrea: possibly, but it's unbelievable that LibLime was ignorant of requests for acess to Plone. | |
| 15:08 | sure... I'll hug almost anyone... I just don't understand anyone endorsing the website launching like that | |
| 15:10 | owen | I think Liblime deserves more benefit of the doubt than they're getting |
| 15:10 | wizzyrea | to look at the page, it really looks to me (someone who really is relatively new and doesn't have a lot of baggage) like they INTEND to allow almost anybody to edit the site, it's just not working right yet |
| 15:10 | slef | owen: OK, until when? |
| 15:11 | wizzyrea | (I registered, and I can't get the edit link either. Which is why I feel like it might be ignorance.) |
| 15:14 | owen | slef: Until you can demonstrate that their actions can't be explained as anything other than evil |
| 15:15 | slef | owen: demonstrate or prove? |
| 15:15 | owen | It sounds like you want proof from Liblime. |
| 15:16 | slef | owen: sure, because that seems simple. So do you feel I should wait until I can demonstrate or prove that they're being evil? |
| 15:18 | owen | I think Liblime deserves the benefit of the doubt, based on their history and their people, until you or someone can demonstrate that they're deliberately acting contrary to the interests of the community |
| 15:21 | slef | owen: demonstrate or prove? It's a pretty straightforward question. |
| 15:21 | there will always be doubt over alternative explanations or deliberation | |
| 15:22 | unless someone goes Mission-Impossible on their offices | |
| 15:23 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: quick question for you - is there any reason by 3.0.x commit e6e27bc80a7be792c228d2fef2e981539191ec36 shouldn't be ported to HEAD? |
| 15:23 | wizzyrea | ooh, intrigue |
| 15:24 | pianohacker! hi! | |
| 15:25 | rhcl | Hi Paul |
| 15:26 | pianohacker | Hello, all |
| 15:26 | Also, hello to Paul | |
| 15:27 | Does anyone know who "COURYHOUSE" is? | |
| 15:28 | chris | yep, he is famous (infamous) |
| 15:28 | the lccn man :) | |
| 15:28 | wizzyrea | chris! mornin/evenin! |
| 15:29 | chris | wizzyrea: way too early in the morning, but kahu has got a cough so i just got him back to sleep |
| 15:29 | gmcharlt | hey chris |
| 15:31 | wizzyrea | ew, my kiddo has the same. has been a icky few days |
| 15:31 | chris | not much fun eh |
| 15:32 | wizzyrea | an* icky |
| 15:33 | chris | now he is yelling "my daddy" |
| 15:33 | which i have to resist, or i will be in there all night | |
| 15:34 | slef | gmcharlt: how will we whittle down the rfc3.2s to an achievable list? |
| 15:35 | chris | ahh quiet |
| 15:35 | gmcharlt | slef: LL can do some slicing and dicing on the ones that we expect to make it by the end of August |
| 15:35 | chris | its amazing how when you become a parent, you appreciate silence so much more |
| 15:35 | gmcharlt | but basically I intend to simply make it calendar driven |
| 15:35 | wizzyrea | too true |
| 15:35 | gmcharlt | so anything that doesn't hit end of August automatically becomes something for 3.4 or 4.0 |
| 15:36 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: i think you are right and can be integrated in HEAD. |
| 15:38 | chris | speaking of parents, alll good in the leonard clan owen? |
| 15:38 | owen | Yeah, the new little girl is doing great. Sleeping lots, which always helps ;) I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. |
| 15:40 | chris | :) |
| 15:41 | owen | In fact it's time for me to get back to them. |
| 15:41 | don't anyone burn the place down while I'm gone okay? | |
| 15:41 | exit | |
| 15:42 | chris | hes a good man that one |
| 15:47 | gmcharlt | owen++ |
| 15:49 | chris | ok, time for me to try and get some more sleep |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | gl! |
| 15:51 | I wish I had been smart enough to make friends in other time zones when my munchkin was small and I was up all night | |
| 16:42 | danny | have any devs worked with bazaar vcs? curious to hear what you thought of it compared to git |
| 16:42 | slef | it's similar but different |
| 16:43 | danny | slef: do you have a personal preference if you were able to choose which you'd rather work with? |
| 16:43 | slef | danny: I choose git. |
| 16:43 | but there's no strong technical reason for that preference | |
| 16:44 | danny | ok |
| 16:44 | slef | exaggerating slightly, I think that git has lots of people hammering it with big projects while bazaar is a Canonical Not-Invented-Here rewrite of another good tool |
| 16:45 | ok, exaggerating a lot | |
| 16:46 | gmcharlt | I've bzr a tiny bit to work on pymarc |
| 16:47 | I agree with slef's take on bzr vs. git | |
| 16:48 | davi | I have not used bzr, but I like git a lot |
| 16:50 | danny | ok, i've not used bzr either, but I am about to work on another open source project and the other dev was leaning towards bzr |
| 16:51 | i was trying to decide if it was worth it to learn bzr or convince him to use git | |
| 16:51 | davi | bzr is part of the GNU project. |
| 16:52 | Git is not part of the GNU project. | |
| 16:52 | bzr is a lot slower than Git. | |
| 16:52 | Git has lot of more users. | |
| 16:53 | danny, If he is already using bzr, instead of trying to convince him to switch toward Git I would just learn bzr. | |
| 16:54 | slef | davi: wow, I didn't know that. It seems arch is no longer part of the GNU project. |
| 16:54 | I expect there are git-bzr and/or bzr-git | |
| 16:54 | danny | he isn't using bzr, and there is currently not a vcs in place, so we just deciding which to pick |
| 16:54 | davi | arch is old |
| 16:55 | danny, I would advise to pick Git | |
| 16:55 | danny | I would too, but I am biased because I've never used bzr |
| 16:55 | davi | bzr interface is said to be cool |
| 16:56 | It is just bzr is a little slower than Git, for projects with lot of source code, as the Linux kernel | |
| 16:56 | slef | or koha... and git wasn't fast to import koha |
| 16:56 | gmcharlt | if you're used to git, bzr has a pretty low learning curve |
| 16:57 | davi | gmcharlt, That is right |
| 16:57 | later slef | |
| 16:58 | slef | nengard's email to me is taking 5 hours to get between two google.com servers. Ouch. |
| 16:59 | Received: by 10.100.151.8 [...] 04:05:26 -0700 (PDT) | |
| 16:59 | Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com [...] 09:40:23 -0700 (PDT) | |
| 16:59 | bbl | |
| 17:03 | wizzyrea_lunch | afk a few :D |
| 17:15 | schuster | question about guided "saved" reports - where are they "saved" and can an SQL be edited so I don't have to recreate the report and get a new saved number? |
| 17:15 | gmcharlt | schuster: saved_sql table |
| 17:15 | and there's recent patch to let you edit the SQL | |
| 17:16 | may not have propagated to you yet | |
| 17:39 | davi | self, GNU arch is part of GNU, http://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/ It is just happens that Bazzar has joined too the GNU project, See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archi[…]ruary/000135.html |
| 18:51 | jwagner | Anyone around for a searching question? |
| 18:52 | gmcharlt | that could have multiple meanings :) |
| 18:53 | jwagner | Well, let's stick to the one related to the Advanced Search page :-) |
| 18:53 | gmcharlt | shoot |
| 18:54 | jwagner | Two ways to approach what I'm thinking of. Is there any way to (1) search by collection code rather than item type? or (2) tell the system to omit certain item types from the list that shows on advanced search? (short of custom coding, that is) |
| 18:54 | Primarily for OPAC advanced search, this is. | |
| 18:55 | gmcharlt | jwagner: take a look at the AdvancedSearchTypes syspref |
| 18:55 | of course, anything that you can limit on you can construct a regular search for | |
| 18:55 | jwagner | Bingo. Overlooked that syspref completely. Thanks, that should do what I want! |
| 19:20 | jdavidb | I'm probably 10 or 15 minutes away from having a first patch for you to smoke-test in isolation against koha.org. |
| 19:20 | (wrong window...sorry.) | |
| 19:25 | brendan | god morning #koha |
| 19:26 | gmcharlt | hi brendan |
| 19:26 | how are you? | |
| 19:26 | brendan | good - there has been a nice marine layer over the area for the past two days... so SB is calm now |
| 19:27 | kind of funny the fire for me has switched from actual forest here to the koha mailing list. if you know what I mean | |
| 19:35 | wizzyrea | oh do we. lol |
| 19:45 | schuster | Question about self checkout - sco/sco-main.pl - is anyone doing any development work on this? I did attempt a search in bugs... |
| 19:46 | gmcharlt | schuster: there has been some bugfixing activity with it |
| 19:47 | schuster | OK - I've had a request if the issues could be in reverse order ASC rather than what looks to be the order in which they entered the issues table. |
| 19:48 | gmcharlt | reverse order by checkout date? due date? |
| 19:48 | schuster | I'm at that point of the year where we need to look at enhancements and determine if there is any money to do anything! |
| 19:48 | they are in checkout date from what it looks like - we would like it in due date so the oldest is first rather than the most recent. | |
| 19:49 | gmcharlt | schuster: so I'm clear: 2009-04-09, 2009-05-20, 2009-05-21, etc? |
| 19:50 | schuster | It is showing 4/23/09 and then the 4/18/09 after that for duedate - we would like it to display the 4/18/09 then the 4/23/09 duedate. |
| 19:51 | gmcharlt you are backwards on how it currently displays - if you example is how we want it that is correct. | |
| 19:51 | Duedate that is. | |
| 19:51 | gmcharlt | schuster: right, my example was how you want it (or confirming that, rather) |
| 19:52 | schuster | The code looks very simplistic in just pulling from the issues table for that borrower - when I ran an sql they came up that way from issues as well so that is why I suspect there is no "ordering" to it. |
| 19:52 | (currently) | |
| 19:53 | gmcharlt | it's currently explicitly ordered by date of original loan |
| 19:54 | schuster | Off to put a list of enhancements together! Since we don't have the enhancements database up to date yet what is the best way for me to VET my requests to the group to see if there is work being done? |
| 19:54 | gmcharlt | file bugs |
| 19:54 | & send email to koha-devel if you want to try to shake out anybody who's hiding | |
| 19:55 | schuster | OK - get ready! I may use this as my examples to figure out how to write the documentation on entering enhancements. That's a good idea as well. |
| 19:55 | Happy Monday! | |
| 19:55 | gmcharlt | you too! |
| 19:56 | schuster | gmcharlt so there would have to be some code written to order it differently not just an asc/desc option drat. |
| 19:56 | gmcharlt | schuster: there are several options |
| 19:56 | code changes | |
| 19:56 | or a change to the template | |
| 19:57 | to use a javascript library called tablesorter | |
| 19:57 | jwagner | schuster, I've been looking at self-checkout, but haven't done anything yet. I have a site that doesn't want to have to manually log in to this page. I was looking at a syspref for autologin, and sysprefs to fill in ID & password for account with circ privileges, then have the sco page check for that & do automatic login if requested. Dunno if that would have any effect on your plans. |
| 19:57 | gmcharlt | to make the duedate, and other columns, sortable |
| 19:57 | wizzyrea | tablesorter ++ |
| 19:58 | gmcharlt | the sorting change is a pretty tiny one in the grand scheme of things |
| 19:58 | and would likely be the sort of thing that would end up be an example of something that once you call attention to it | |
| 19:59 | somebody may just do | |
| 20:00 | so you can also position it as an example of libraries helping other libraries by somebody making that change | |
| 20:23 | atz | wizzyrea: tablesorter isn't really that great a fix. you are delivering the data in a set order, so the only efficient thing to do is make it the right one. |
| 20:24 | after the page is delivered is where tablesorter makes sense | |
| 20:26 | wizzyrea | atz: is true, except that (and yes, admittedly is a nubcake thing to say) schuster, or even I, could make a javascript change. Changing the code - not so much (at least, yet). I wholly appreciate your bent towards efficiency, though, and your way is probably the right way. |
| 20:27 | atz | yeah, the application becomes insane if you sort/resort batches at each level.... cost gets exponential |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | unless of course, not *everyone* wants it in the order you give them. That's probably a bigger change though. |
| 20:28 | atz | self-check is in the OPAC too, which we still try to provide degradable HTML for non-js users |
| 20:28 | *in which | |
| 20:29 | wizzyrea: some solutions are: cookies, some recycling form parameter, syspref(s) or maybe something else | |
| 20:30 | there is a syspref already that deals with sort order on the non-self-check page | |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | one could argue that the SCO isn't really for the "public" as a library might be running that interface on dedicated machines |
| 20:30 | just sayin ;) | |
| 20:31 | (dedicated machines that the library has control over what settings are in use) | |
| 20:31 | atz | a fair argument... technically part of the OPAC, but "conceptually" part of the STAFF interface |
| 20:31 | wizzyrea | just, patrons happen to look at it |
| 20:32 | gmcharlt | anything that requires a staff operator login is a staff function :) |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | well there you have it lol |
| 20:32 | it really is a cool piece of functionality | |
| 20:32 | the sco module | |
| 20:33 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: vtl is looking at starting a Koha users group in WI called WisKE |
| 20:33 | You started a bad habit | |
| 20:34 | wizzyrea | LOL! |
| 20:34 | love it | |
| 20:34 | gmcharlt | grr - time to start Koha'ers Opposing Puns |
| 20:34 | atz | the KOPs? |
| 20:34 | gmcharlt | I didn't say I would qualify as a member :) |
| 20:34 | atz | nice |
| 20:36 | schuster | vtl was upset that keggers was taken so they had to come up with something equally as clever... now getting approval to go to a Kegger or WisKE event might be tricky... |
| 20:37 | gmcharlt | well, nobody can afford to serve (good) whiskey at a kegger, so it should be just fine |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | (to be fair, one of our librarians came up with the name "Koha Explorer's Group" and a different librarian came up with the Kegger moniker) |
| 20:37 | schuster | What does Kegger stand for in Kansas for the Koha users group? |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | Koha Explorer's Group |
| 20:37 | schuster | Ah very clever... |
| 20:38 | Makes us all sound like a bunch of drinkers! Not that we aren't but... don't tell my boss. | |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 20:39 | schuster | Thanks all for your help again today - off to explore enhancement possibilities and the next step in the "enhancement process"... Look for a call for participation! |
| 20:44 | pianohacker | Sounds like you've had a bit yourself |
| 20:45 | On work hours? tsk, tsk | |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | ^.^ no drinking here, I'm naturally this loopy |
| 21:06 | chris | morning |
| 21:06 | pianohacker | Good morning |
| 21:06 | Get any more sleep? | |
| 21:07 | chris | yep 4 more hours |
| 21:17 | gmcharlt | chris: I ran across some stuff that references HLT in the code |
| 21:17 | chris | my bad |
| 21:17 | gmcharlt | chris: I'm going to excise it, so since you're working on their migration to 3.x |
| 21:17 | chris | :) |
| 21:17 | yeah | |
| 21:17 | gmcharlt | I'll leave it to you to put it back in a syspref-able manner |
| 21:17 | chris | cool, sounds good |
| 21:17 | im guessing to do with fines? | |
| 21:18 | gmcharlt | yes, I believe so |
| 21:18 | but also in CanBookBeIssued() of all places | |
| 21:19 | chris | heh classy |
| 21:25 | gmcharlt | ok, patch in question pushed if you need to note it as a possible regression for HLT |
| 21:28 | chris | actually you are right, that was only needed in 2.2 |
| 21:28 | 3.0 allows the override | |
| 21:29 | wow so much mail, all of it worth reading too | |
| 21:29 | koha_community++ | |
| 21:31 | gmcharlt | chris: the only big thing left that appears to be HLT-specific is C4::Print |
| 21:31 | chris | yeah, that can be removed, because that whole thing no longer works (printing to printqueues) and needs to be rewritten |
| 21:32 | and it will still all be in git if we ever do need it | |
| 21:32 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 21:33 | is HLT planning to still use that kind of remote printing after they upgrade? | |
| 21:34 | chris | not sure, the printers are all connected to a cups server still |
| 21:34 | so whatever printing has to go through that anyway | |
| 21:34 | but you can do that in the browser, we will have to try and see if its acceptable | |
| 21:34 | it can be added back pretty fast if not | |
| 21:35 | gmcharlt | yeah, although next time around using C4::Letters presumably |
| 21:35 | chris | yep |
| 21:54 | atz | patch sent for biblioitems.marcxml parse checking script |
| 21:54 | chris | ohh sweet |
| 21:55 | somethign for weekly maintenance huh? | |
| 21:55 | atz | well, depending on library size |
| 21:55 | it could be prohibitively costly on a large DB | |
| 21:56 | but yeah, it crontab-able | |
| 21:56 | *it's | |
| 21:56 | i think that the authorities linking script may be silently corrupting the xml with fields that are empty | |
| 21:56 | chris | ahhh |
| 21:57 | atz | but like all these problems, fixing that script wouldn't be enough now that the mangled data is in the wild |
| 21:57 | chris | on a large db, might be good to run this against a slave? |
| 21:57 | atz | yeah, if you are just getting the warning/output |
| 21:58 | it has a --fix option to replace the marcxml with data from marc | |
| 21:58 | chris | right, so you could run the warnings on a slave, and then fix on the faster if you get any hits |
| 21:58 | atz | yeah, though that wouldn't necessarily be something you could crontab |
| 21:59 | chris | true |
| 21:59 | youd probably want a human involved, get an email from the crontab with the warning/output | |
| 21:59 | and then a human decides whether to run the fix or not | |
| 22:00 | atz | yeah, it should be the same human who maybe got in underneath the application and was tweaking XML manually... |
| 22:00 | chris | :-) |
| 22:00 | atz | also has a --Lint option for MARC::Lint analysis |
| 22:00 | chris | nice |
| 22:01 | atz | most of my records are Linty :\ |
| 22:02 | chris: did you see my mail about Amazon? | |
| 22:03 | chris | yeah, havent devoted it the attention it deserves yet |
| 22:03 | atz | me either, except to say "umm.. i know some people who need to hear this" |
| 22:05 | chris | yeah |
| 22:08 | brendan | hey atz - haven't had a chance to say hi in a while |
| 22:08 | atz | greets brendan |
| 22:08 | brendan | how's Ohio |
| 22:09 | atz | nice... sunny and tame recently |
| 22:09 | brendan | my fiance is in columbus for a conference |
| 22:09 | the tame part is nice... | |
| 22:09 | chris | does columbus have a baseball team? |
| 22:09 | brendan | minor league I think. the yankees used to be there |
| 22:09 | chris | i know they have a hockey one, i saw them play when i was visiting |
| 22:09 | atz | yeah, the Clippers |
| 22:09 | brand new stadium downtown | |
| 22:10 | chris | sweet |
| 22:10 | brendan | and they have a great soccer stadium and team |
| 22:10 | the crew | |
| 22:10 | chris | i fear i have caught the bug |
| 22:10 | brendan | awesome! |
| 22:10 | I feel somewhat responsible for the infection... | |
| 22:10 | atz | the Clippers were previously Yankee-affiliated |
| 22:10 | chris | ill have to go see the pirates play next time im visiting the inlaws |
| 22:11 | atz | then switched to the Washington Wizards |
| 22:11 | brendan | the best medicine is to realize that the baseball season is long.... |
| 22:11 | ah the pirates stadium is supposed to be the best there is | |
| 22:11 | the stadium is awesome -- the team not so much anymore | |
| 22:12 | chris | *nod* |
| 22:12 | atz | the new Ohio State baseball park is a nice place for an NCAA game if you want to see that level too |
| 22:12 | chris | ohh |
| 22:12 | good idea | |
| 22:12 | atz | little cheaper than MLB |
| 22:12 | brendan | it pretty interesting to watch NCAA -- they use metal bats |
| 22:13 | chris | so can hit further? |
| 22:13 | brendan | the ball really jumps of the bat -- it's a much more offensive game... that's a pun too |
| 22:13 | chris | heh |
| 22:13 | atz | http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.c[…]300&ATCLID=925243 |
| 22:13 | brendan | the metal bats add a few more miles per hour to the ball when hit... so 10~15 feet further |
| 22:14 | scary for thrid basemen -- called the hot corner | |
| 22:15 | chris | that does look nice atz |
| 22:15 | brendan | I prefer to use metal - just because I'm relatively small - so I can actually hit the ball out once a year |
| 22:15 | chris | hehe |
| 22:17 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2[…]ports-quiz-May-12 | |
| 22:17 | lets see how good your nz sports trivia is :) | |
| 22:18 | atz | chris: met a viola player at the bar the other night... he said, "yeah, my band isn't very big, but we got popular in NZ" |
| 22:18 | chris | lol awesome |
| 22:18 | atz | i guess the rugby team used their song in a video or something |
| 22:18 | chris | could well do |
| 22:21 | they do use a lot of classical type music in advertisements | |
| 22:21 | or highlight packages | |
| 22:21 | specially with slow motion replays | |
| 22:21 | brendan | hehe -- small world bars are sometimes |
| 22:24 | atz | new (as in, open for less than a month!) Clippers ballpark |
| 22:24 | http://www.huntingtonparkcolumbus.com/Photos.html | |
| 22:25 | chris | ohh very cool |
| 22:31 | it is both fortunate and unfortunate that my list of places to visit and things to do keeps growing :) | |
| 22:32 | brendan | chris - hopefully it always grows... mine is too big also |
| 00:06 | heya Jo | |
| 00:25 | Jo | hi Brendan |
| 00:55 | chris | hey owen :) |
| 00:55 | owen | Hi |
| 00:56 | I return to my computer with great trepidation after being away all day | |
| 00:56 | chris | its a bit like that |
| 00:56 | but no, lots of good emails today | |
| 00:58 | brendan | hey owen |
| 00:59 | owen | Hi brendan |
| 01:03 | chris | back, its dangerous having a bakery that close |
| 01:30 | Nightshadow | ... |
| 01:30 | vdfferf | |
| 01:30 | owen | Hi Nightshadow |
| 01:30 | Nice talkin' to ya. | |
| 01:31 | chris | heh cya later owen |
| 01:48 | pianohacker | Weird, that wasn't even rot13 |
| 01:48 | Just random | |
| 01:48 | Oh well | |
| 01:49 | chris | i think someone found the cgi that gets you into #koha :) |
| 02:27 | pianohacker | Good night, koha |
| 02:47 | chris | hello reed :) |
| 02:48 | reed | hellow |
| 02:48 | did my allotment of productivity so safe to be on irc now | |
| 02:48 | chris | awesome |
| 02:49 | reed | may even have me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to celebrate |
| 02:49 | chris | :) |
| 02:50 | reed | fyi - still planning to do that lenny clean install experiment w/koha |
| 02:50 | probly next week while I'm off | |
| 02:50 | chris | fabulous |
| 02:53 | brendan | heya reed |
| 02:58 | reed | hey |
| 02:58 | brendan | so I hear you're from the sunshine state - if I remember correctly |
| 02:58 | reed | oh, not me -- those people are crazy |
| 02:58 | tennessee | |
| 02:59 | atz | yeah, *those* people are sane. |
| 02:59 | brendan | whoops thought tennesee was the sunshine state |
| 02:59 | reed | florida |
| 03:00 | brendan | ha |
| 03:00 | reed | florida's also very flat, which I find disturbing for some reason |
| 03:01 | wellington and east tennessee have a lot in common topologically | |
| 03:01 | aside from the ocean | |
| 03:01 | atz | yeah, the highest "mountain peak" in florida is 344 feet |
| 03:01 | http://www.mountainzone.com/mo[…]st-peaks.asp?s=FL | |
| 03:01 | reed | heh |
| 03:02 | brendan | and too many old people -- sorry gmcharlt |
| 03:02 | atz | which in tennessee doesn't qualify as a turdpile |
| 03:02 | brendan | I think the town dump has got to be the highest point |
| 03:02 | it was in the town I went to school at in indiana | |
| 03:02 | reed | nice |
| 03:21 | Amit | hi brendan, chris, mason |
| 03:21 | good morning koha | |
| 03:22 | chris | hi amit |
| 03:25 | brendan | heya amit |
| 03:29 | Jo | sending a wee quiet sos to a marc guru out there in Koha world .. |
| 03:29 | Amit | hi Jo |
| 03:30 | Jo | testing z39.50 and can't save the record because 2 fields aren't filled in : 003 (control #identifier) and 040 (Transcribing agency) |
| 03:30 | Hi Amit | |
| 03:30 | and while I am very clever at many things, I am not clever at marc! | |
| 03:33 | I have a marc code of NZ-LeHLT which might be the 003 one - but it didn't accept that. (was system generated y Koha I presume) | |
| 03:33 | chris | is this koha 3 Jo? |
| 03:33 | Jo | yep |
| 03:33 | brendan | you can either make something up for those fields or make them not mandatory in your marc-framework... I think |
| 03:33 | Jo | oh - i do like making them not mandatory |
| 03:33 | that sounds like a splendid solution! | |
| 03:34 | brendan | checking my system -- back in a moment |
| 03:34 | Jo | Chris: in the kohaaloha test site |
| 03:34 | chris | ah righto, normally there is a plugin enabled |
| 03:34 | for 003 | |
| 03:34 | Jo | just playing with the manual and seeing how it all works readyu for when you say "have at it girls" |
| 03:34 | chris | so just clicking in that field fills it in |
| 03:35 | Jo | yepo. that seems to be working - but maybe I havn't entered the right info in the sys pref |
| 03:37 | I have entered NZ-LeHLT in the marc org code section of sys pref / cataloguing | |
| 03:38 | sigh .. i can't where to stop them being compulsory | |
| 03:43 | chris | 2 secs |
| 03:43 | i will go check the rules of 0002 | |
| 03:43 | Jo | thanks |
| 03:43 | chris | and then 003 which is what i meant to type |
| 03:43 | Jo | :) |
| 03:44 | chris | you are right |
| 03:44 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/organi[…]nua&submit=Search | |
| 03:45 | so if it wont accept that, there may be a bug | |
| 03:47 | ill just try on my test one | |
| 03:51 | yep its happy with that on mine, still wants 040c tho | |
| 03:51 | Jo | ok. so the 040c must be the blocker |
| 03:51 | chris | yep |
| 03:52 | just put testing in there | |
| 03:52 | Jo | and i have no idea what to put there or even what it is... |
| 03:52 | ok. | |
| 03:52 | chris | if thd were here he would know |
| 03:53 | Jo | thats ok ... I'll see what loc have to say as well |
| 03:53 | oclc | |
| 03:59 | 040 Subfield $c - Transcribing agency: | |
| 03:59 | Subfield $c contains the MARC code or the name of the organization that transcribed the record into machine-readable form. | |
| 03:59 | 040c | |
| 03:59 | thats just dum that it doesn't come over automatically. | |
| 03:59 | i must have done something stupid in the system setup | |
| 06:16 | Hopposai | hello all |
| 06:17 | anyone home/alive? | |
| 07:01 | chris | so much mail to read |
| 07:22 | hdl_laptop: i havent noticed any problems yet with the testing version | |
| 07:23 | hdl_laptop | hi chris. |
| 07:23 | thanks for report. | |
| 07:24 | chris | jo will be doing some testing on it tomorrow too |
| 07:43 | hdl_laptop: all the language files are updated on translate.koha.org | |
| 07:44 | hdl_laptop | I saw a message on that point yesterday I think. |
| 07:44 | Thanks | |
| 07:45 | chris | most languages have only 38 or 45 strings to translate (those that were up to date for 3.0.1) |
| 07:45 | if we see cait tonight, we can pester her to do the german one :) | |
| 07:45 | and i can pester you to finish the french :) | |
| 07:47 | at least for the opac, more for the intranet | |
| 07:53 | hdl_laptop | i will ask nicomo to do that. |
| 07:56 | chris | cool |
| 08:08 | hi fredericd | |
| 08:08 | hdl_laptop | hi fredericd |
| 08:09 | fredericd | hello all |
| 08:19 | Amit | hi fredericd |
| 09:12 | slef | hi all |
| 09:12 | hdl_laptop | hi slef |
| 09:13 | chris | hi slef |
| 09:15 | Amit | hi slef |
| 10:27 | nahuel | hi dudes |
| 10:28 | davi | hi |
| 11:01 | slef | chris: don't do it! ;-) |
| 11:04 | chris | heh |
| 11:38 | hi jwagner | |
| 11:41 | jwagner | Hi Chris, sorry, was on another screen. |
| 11:43 | chris | no worries, im about to go to sleep pretty soon anyway |
| 11:44 | jwagner | How was the visit to the octopus? |
| 11:45 | chris | lots of fun, we got to see some carpet sharks, some big snapper and hold a starfish too |
| 11:45 | i suspect we will be going the next open day too | |
| 11:46 | jwagner | Sounds nicely squirmy :-) I'll stick to dogs and cats. |
| 11:50 | chris | ok sleep for me, have a good day all |
| 11:52 | jwagner | G'night. |
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