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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:15 | Amit | ok |
| 12:15 | how is life | |
| 12:15 | jwagner: i have set a git in my office | |
| 12:17 | jwagner | Amit, is there life outside Koha? I'm not sure at the moment.... I'm still trying to figure out git. I've learned a few basic commands, but am pretty lost outside those. |
| 12:36 | owen | jwagner: I like that you can get stuff done with git without knowing that many commands. You can build slowly as you find the need to do more things |
| 12:50 | jwagner | owen, so far I've just been building one thing at a time & sending it off. I thought the whole purpose of branches was to keep work isolated, though. When I've been working on something in one branch, and then go check out another branch, those files follow me around! And get in the way of what I'd like to do in the second branch. Sigh. |
| 12:56 | owen | jwagner: Are you committing before switching branches? |
| 12:57 | jwagner | No -- I didn't think I was supposed to commit until I was done. Usually I'll work on something for a while but not finish, then go work on something else. |
| 13:00 | hdl_laptop | it is the magic of git the more you learn the more you git |
| 13:00 | ;) | |
| 13:55 | jwagner | I think git is the unholy kind of magic myself :-( Even when I did a commit, and created a new branch, the changes from the commit are there in the new branch. |
| 14:00 | hdl_laptop | hehe... |
| 14:00 | it is very logic | |
| 14:00 | if you commit you make the thing come into your dev HEAD | |
| 14:01 | jwagner | But I don't WANT it in my head (or even my HEAD)!!! I want it to stay off in it's nice little separate branch and let me go work on other stuff in peace! |
| 14:01 | hdl_laptop | if you branch whe you have commited, your new branch will branch on top of your commit. |
| 14:01 | then you have to tell it to git | |
| 14:02 | jwagner | I always do a git checkout master to come out of the first branch, then create a new branch from there. Sigh. |
| 14:02 | hdl_laptop | git branch --track newbranch remotes/origin/master |
| 14:02 | jwagner | OK, that's a new command. I'll give that a try next time. Gotta run for a conf call right now. Thanks! |
| 14:59 | wizzyrea | jwagner: this may help you (helped me some) http://www-cs-students.stanfor[…]itmagic/ch01.html |
| 15:00 | jwagner | Thanks wizzyrea. I'll take a look. |
| 15:01 | wizzyrea | is not perfect but is at least kind of english |
| 15:01 | erm, non-nerd | |
| 15:02 | (not that nerd isn't perfectly acceptable... <dig> <dig> <dig>) | |
| 15:02 | owen | A relevant quote: ""$ git checkout master" to return to your original work. Observe that any uncommitted changes are carried over. |
| 15:04 | jwagner | But they're carried over even if I DO commit. Sigh. I'm doomed to be haunted by the ghosts of patches past :-) Fortunately I don't do that much stuff and I can clean things out manually if I need to. |
| 15:05 | atz | jwagner: periodically I just reclone to get a clean start |
| 15:06 | wizzyrea | I think atz's method is probably a good approach |
| 15:06 | owen | jwagner: Are you sure you're specifying "origin?" "checkout -b my-new-branch origin" |
| 15:08 | jwagner | atz, that's what I've been doing to clean things out. owen, it's quite likely I've missed adding that "origin" at the end -- I'll have to make sure to add that. |
| 15:08 | owen | Otherwise the new branch you create is *supposed* to include the changes you've just committed. |
| 15:09 | atz | yeah, otherwise it's effectively a sub-branch |
| 15:09 | soul9 | jwagner, i think it's logic, then you either branch before commiting, or stash your local changes, branch, then commit your stash to the branch you want to |
| 15:11 | well, off home, have a good workers-day all | |
| 15:14 | wizzyrea | <thumbs up> |
| 15:36 | kf | in Germany <thumbs up> is ok ;) |
| 15:37 | listening to you talking about git makes me a little bit jealous - did not figure that out yet | |
| 15:37 | hope I will so I can fix my bugs myself one day :) | |
| 15:38 | wizzyrea | oh thank heavens, I was worried I had offended somebody |
| 15:38 | (lol) | |
| 15:39 | kf | off home now - till monday :) bye #koha! |
| 16:20 | luisb | Hi all, I am looking for some clarification between character encoding (e.g. Unicode), character set (e.g. utf8) and data format (e.g. marc21): |
| 16:21 | I just started a position here and the learning curve of how things work here to learn enough to migrate to koha, coupled with misuse of terminology is very steep. | |
| 16:21 | Lemme 'splain: | |
| 16:23 | wizzyrea | aside: I'm thinking of a change to the advanced search page of the opac, changing the verbiage from "Limit type to: match any of the following:" to "Limit to any of the following" |
| 16:23 | since it's a preference to search by itype or ccode | |
| 16:23 | and I'm an english major, it annoys me (and the ppls in my office) | |
| 16:23 | owen | Sounds good to me wizzyrea |
| 16:23 | wizzyrea | bitchin. I'll do it |
| 16:24 | just didn't know if there was some specific library related libraryspeak reason to have it that way. I couldn't think of one but thought maybe there was a reason for it | |
| 16:24 | owen | English major, hunh? I thought you folks were supposed to be unemployed because of your lack of real-world skills, kind of like art majors like me |
| 16:24 | gmcharlt | does libraryspeak belong on an OPAC anyway? |
| 16:24 | luisb | Our bibrecords are stored in a database which can be exported to MARC8. At first I was told this was a char set, then I thought it was purely a data format, but the Library of Congress seems to call MARC-8 a character set agin. |
| 16:24 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt I'm with you on that one |
| 16:25 | owen: ha! | |
| 16:25 | luisb | Basically, the problem is our proprietary db cannot export in utf8 |
| 16:25 | gmcharlt | luisb: MARC-8 is a character encoding - MARC21 is the record format |
| 16:26 | luisb | a previous programmer seemed to attempt to convert the data exported to Latin1 (ISO-8859-1) |
| 16:26 | gmcharlt | there a couple tools available to convert MARC-8 encoded records to UTF-8 |
| 16:26 | wizzyrea | (I knew gmcharlt would come to the rescue) |
| 16:26 | gmcharlt | yaz-marcdump, MarcEdit |
| 16:26 | wizzyrea | mornin pianohacker |
| 16:26 | luisb | I see |
| 16:26 | pianohacker | Mornin', liz |
| 16:26 | gmcharlt | and Koha is capable of importing MARC-8 records and converting them to UTF-8, which it uses internally |
| 16:27 | luisb | I had to use marc edit to successfully import a batch of records into koha... |
| 16:27 | Marc > marcxml, then marcxml > marc21 | |
| 16:30 | While we work to migrate to koha, I need to keep our current operation running, which fails at times, I assume because the previous programmer's perl script bombs when trying to convert to latin1 | |
| 16:30 | (i don't know why he was converting to latin1; doesn't make sense to me) | |
| 16:30 | so now I get to fix it :P | |
| 16:31 | gmcharlt: do you mean to use yaz-marcdump and MarcEdit together, or pick one of those? | |
| 16:31 | gmcharlt | luisb: just one |
| 16:32 | luisb | I planned on running our export through MarcEdit since I had success doing that to get data from our current db into koha |
| 16:32 | awesome, thank you sir- | |
| 16:34 | gmcharlt | you're welcome |
| 16:35 | luisb | So, if the LEADR 009 is ' ' (a space), that tells the reader that the records are in ... which format? |
| 16:35 | 'a' means marc21, yes? | |
| 16:36 | er, utf8 | |
| 16:38 | gmcharlt | 'a' means UTF8 |
| 16:39 | luisb | and ' '? |
| 16:39 | gmcharlt | ' ' means MARC-8 (or Latin-1, or whatever random encoding somebody decided to use - one of the things that can make MARC record processing troublesome) |
| 16:39 | luisb | ahh |
| 16:39 | makes sense | |
| 16:40 | haha | |
| 16:41 | I guess I meant it makes sense what my problem is :P | |
| 16:41 | gmcharlt | :) |
| 16:42 | luisb | and how motivated I am to get this migration done asap ;) |
| 16:52 | wizzyrea | erg, I set my email address but it's still coming through wrong in my submissions |
| 16:55 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: http://coffee.geek.nz/how-change-author-git.html , though I suggest testing carefully |
| 16:58 | wizzyrea | k, I will take a look. It's weird because the first went through and was correct, but the 2nd wasn't. :( |
| 16:58 | is ok. all learning. :) | |
| 16:58 | gmcharlt | :) |
| 16:58 | when you do a git log, which email address shows up as the patch author? | |
| 16:59 | wizzyrea | 04a5bec30a006b8f33ece34fcf806bc52f8828da looks right |
| 16:59 | 9cf52836bd1829825254b5db9ec5277d3a9ec6ed shows rootliz-koha.etc |
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| 16:59 | dk what I did differently | |
| 17:00 | will think about it over lunch, hee | |
| 17:00 | bbiaw | |
| 18:26 | Sharon | liblimers - Is NExpress still onto receive updates tonight? I'm sending out a warning email to our members and want to be accurate... |
| 18:37 | ryan | Sharon: yes. After 10pm PDT. |
| 18:37 | Sharon | Great! Thank you. |
| 18:46 | jwagner | I asked on the koha-dev list the other day but didn't get an answer. The staff hitlist is pulling duedate from a different place than the staff record details page. I know there was discussion a while back on this. As near as we can tell, the hitlist is getting the variable from Search.pm, which seems to be the original due date (item.onloan). The details page is getting the variable from Items.pm, which is pulling the date from issues.date_due. Is |
| 19:14 | gmcharlt | jwagner: the discrepancy is a problem, of course |
| 19:14 | issues.date_due is going to be more accurate | |
| 19:19 | jwagner | That's what I thought, looking at the dates that show in the catalog. I looked at Search.pm but it's beyond my Perl skill level. Do you know if anyone is working on a fix? I remember this coming up very recently on the list. |
| 19:19 | gmcharlt | there's a fix keep item.onloan and issues.date_due in better sync |
| 19:20 | jwagner | Someone has sent a patch already? |
| 19:31 | gmcharlt | jwagner: patch pushed for 3049 addresses part of it |
| 19:35 | jwagner | I saw that one in bugzilla, but couldn't tell details. That patch is loaded on one of the systems where I'm seeing problems, but the dates are still off. |
| 19:58 | atz | the patch doesn't fix your data |
| 20:01 | wizzyrea | yea, a patch would be for data going forward |
| 20:01 | you'd probably have to massage to get retroactive results | |
| 20:01 | massage *the data manually | |
| 20:02 | jwagner | Wouldn't it be preferable to have the two pages use the same source for date? Then we wouldn't need to massage data. |
| 20:12 | atz | jwagner: the date will still exist in two places, even if you don't see it. |
| 20:16 | jwagner | Yes, but the goal is to have the hitlist & the record display show the same date. |
| 20:17 | atz | and it will, for data created after the patch |
| 20:21 | jwagner | Hmmm. Is there a patch or a routine to do the data massage? We have a lot of old data that's confusing people. |
| 20:21 | atz | no, that can be done by your DBA |
| 20:22 | jwagner | Yes, but what do I tell the DBA needs to be done? |
| 20:23 | atz | update items.onloan based on issues.date_due |
| 20:24 | jwagner | So items.onloan should match issues.date_due, correct? |
| 20:24 | atz | yes |
| 20:24 | jwagner | Great, thanks much. Gonna sign off now (brain is too fried to keep up with things). That's going to solve one problem, though. |
| 20:40 | pianohacker | Incomplete experiment in representing the pref tabs in YAML (not implemented): http://weaverhome.rlogin.org:8[…]nces/patrons.pref |
| 20:43 | richard | morning |
| 20:43 | pianohacker | richard: mornin' |
| 20:43 | woops, bbl, library trip | |
| 20:46 | chris | morning richard |
| 20:47 | and everyone else :) | |
| 20:47 | gmcharlt | hi chris |
| 21:11 | ryan | hdl_laptop: / gmcharlt : is there a patch queued to replace 'dontmerge' syspref with MergeAuthoritiesOnUpdate as in commit 92890557 or shall i file a bug ? |
| 21:12 | gmcharlt | ryan: no pending patch that I'm aware of |
| 21:12 | hdl_laptop | file a bug. |
| 21:12 | will send that soon. | |
| 21:13 | going to bed now. | |
| 21:13 | chris | sleep well hdl_laptop |
| 21:14 | ryan | hdl_laptop: ok, thx. gn! |
| 21:21 | chris | http://listen.grooveshark.com/[…]a_Hacking/8190140 |
| 21:21 | for anyone who wants to listen to what im listening too while im hacking away on koha :) | |
| 21:22 | wizzyrea has created a monster by showing me grooveshark | |
| 21:23 | Sharon | Chris - I'll be sure to tell her. We share an office, so I've been listening to your musical recommendations, too |
| 21:23 | chris | heh :) |
| 23:32 | pianohacker | devs: any thoughts on the new pref format? (A few pages back) |
| 23:34 | chris | heh, noticed galen referenced brenda's blog, she sits round the corner from me, small world |
| 23:35 | pianohacker: i like it | |
| 23:35 | human readable, and machine parsable | |
| 23:35 | pianohacker | chris: cool |
| 08:25 | chris | evening |
| 08:51 | mason | heya chris |
| 08:52 | hdl_laptop | hi mason |
| 08:52 | mason | im about to head to the adelaide, and watch some friends bands... |
| 08:53 | heya henri | |
| 08:53 | hdl_laptop | are you still banned from biblibre ? |
| 08:53 | mason | just checked, yep... |
| 08:56 | chris | mason is banned?? |
| 08:56 | mason | a typo , i think.. |
| 08:56 | chris | ahh |
| 08:56 | mason | ;) .. |
| 08:58 | hdl_laptop | it is because your registered user was masonj |
| 08:58 | paul_p | hi kiwis ! |
| 08:58 | hdl_laptop | what is your registered user btw ? |
| 08:59 | chris | hi paul_p :) |
| 08:59 | back from the library? | |
| 08:59 | paul_p | hey, a new commiter from ptfs-europe ! |
| 08:59 | chris: yep. | |
| 08:59 | (Colin Campbell) | |
| 09:00 | chris | yep |
| 09:00 | not sure the patch will be accepted | |
| 09:01 | paul_p | to 010 => 10 is correct isn't it ? |
| 09:01 | (the 2nd one) | |
| 09:01 | chris | yep that one is ok, the first one was just some refactoring |
| 09:04 | altho 010 isnt actually octal | |
| 09:04 | so the message isnt quite right | |
| 09:06 | paul_p | (I merged the 300+ patches into 67 more comprehensible ones, then git-format-patch, then git-am on head. With something like 20 merge conflicts for the 67 patches) |
| 09:07 | chris | thats not bad |
| 09:07 | nicomo | hi paul_p |
| 09:07 | paul_p | only problem with this : mason & john have disappeared as authors, it seems i'm the only author of all the patches... |
| 09:07 | hi nicomo | |
| 09:07 | chris | with cvs it would be 600+ conflicts :) |
| 09:07 | paul_p | chris: ++ :D |
| 09:10 | chris | http://www-cs-students.stanfor[…]itmagic/ch05.html |
| 09:11 | you can probaly ammend the commits to get the authors back | |
| 11:21 | gmcharlt | paul_p: good news |
| 11:21 | paul_p | hi gmcharlt. |
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