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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:10 | chris | morning |
| 12:11 | paul_p | morning chris ! |
| 12:11 | chris | hi paul, sleep well? |
| 12:12 | paul_p | chris: yep. time to go to bathroom, then lunch now (nahuel still sleeping) |
| 12:14 | chris | yep shower for me then breakfast |
| 12:17 | kf | good morning texas :) |
| 12:41 | slef | davi yoyo |
| 12:42 | davi | hi slef |
| 12:42 | restarting X | |
| 12:42 | sorry | |
| 12:42 | slef | np |
| 12:43 | just wondered if all was well in the state of davi | |
| 12:43 | davi | hardware sucks :P First mainboard, now ATI graphic driver :P |
| 12:43 | slef | amen! |
| 12:56 | chris | morning gmcharlt |
| 13:00 | morning gmcharlt :) | |
| 13:00 | eiro | hello all |
| 13:00 | gmcharlt | hi chris |
| 13:00 | hi eiro | |
| 13:00 | still getting myself situated this morning | |
| 13:00 | chris | sleep well gmcharlt ? |
| 13:00 | hi eiro :) | |
| 13:01 | eiro | perl question: sub x { my $foo = qr{foo|bar}; /$foo/ }; x;x;x;x |
| 13:01 | is $foo compiled 4 times ? | |
| 13:02 | chris | hmm good question, i don't know off the top of my head |
| 13:02 | eiro | i tried perl -O=Concise -e 'sub x { my $foo = qr{foo|bar}; /$foo/ }; x;x;x;x' but i have to admit that i didn't understood :) |
| 13:02 | that's why i want to use a closure. | |
| 13:04 | jdavidb | Mornin', gmcharlt, nahuel. |
| 13:04 | gmcharlt | hi jdavidb |
| 13:06 | chris | hi jdavidb |
| 13:06 | eiro | m//o to compile only once ( from perlop ) |
| 13:06 | chris | ahh of course |
| 13:07 | nahuel | hi :) |
| 13:08 | eiro | i remeber this modifier but i thought it was deprecated for a while ... at least in the while (<>) { say if /foo/ } case |
| 13:11 | slef | Oracle buying Sun (Sun bought MySQL a while ago IIRC). slashdot linked to oracle.com which now says "Content Server Request Failed. Server is too busy to handle request." to me. |
| 13:11 | http://developers.slashdot.org[…]d=09/04/20/128246 | |
| 13:12 | chris | yep time to ressurect the postgres work (which i was planning to anyway) |
| 13:12 | of course using DBI::Class would make the move easier too | |
| 13:14 | eiro | did you choose an orm ? |
| 13:15 | chris | not yet, the idea is people to do some prototyping |
| 13:16 | jdavidb | SAP has modified MaxDB's "community" license to not be very open; I was hoping to play with that as an alternative to MySQL, but it doesn't seem very likely I will. |
| 13:16 | slef | is orm 4.0 stuff? |
| 13:16 | chris | yes |
| 13:16 | eiro: until we can find a clear winner | |
| 13:17 | hdl_laptop | chris: still in TX ? |
| 13:17 | hi gmcharlt | |
| 13:18 | eiro | i played with lot of and have my idea on the best one ... but moose is required to i think we can't use it as long as koha use CGI mode |
| 13:18 | chris | yes, hdl_laptop i am eating breakfast with paul and nahuel |
| 13:18 | eiro | but i feel i'm alone to be affraid of CGIs, so ... |
| 13:19 | chris | well i am typing and they are eating :) |
| 13:19 | we also discussed mod_perl | |
| 13:19 | i think we need some prototypes/proof of concepts | |
| 13:21 | eiro: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]devweekendprogram | |
| 13:22 | tried to take notes, but was busy talking also | |
| 13:22 | eiro | :) |
| 13:27 | hdl_laptop | chris: is DBI::Class better choice than DBIx::Class ? |
| 13:27 | has there been any tests on that ? | |
| 13:28 | chris | sorry DBIx::Class |
| 13:29 | seems to be the current winner | |
| 13:29 | hdl_laptop | mmm so typo on the wiki. |
| 13:47 | chris | ok coffee time :) |
| 13:47 | nicomo | nahuel : entered bug 3144 (recaptcha) |
| 13:57 | slef | commented on kohabug 3144 suggesting anti-spam instead of recaptcha |
| 13:59 | nicomo | slef: reCaptach does have substitute for the visually impaired |
| 13:59 | see http://recaptcha.net/ | |
| 14:00 | slef | nicomo: as a visually-impaired person, I tell you it doesn't work. |
| 14:00 | the substitute is a hearing test, isn't it? | |
| 14:00 | hearing tests have a higher failure rate than eyetests | |
| 14:01 | and then you get people like me who also both impaired eyesight and hearing | |
| 14:01 | so please use anti-spam before resorting to ability discrimination | |
| 14:02 | nicomo | slef come on I'm not "resorting to ability discrimination" |
| 14:02 | I was merely suggesting a solution | |
| 14:03 | but what i'm perfectly happy with you edit | |
| 14:03 | and to tell you the truth couldn't care less which solution we end up using | |
| 14:03 | slef | thanks... I think too many web devs reach for recaptcha when they want antispam |
| 14:03 | nicomo | as long as it provides the functionality |
| 14:04 | yes they do | |
| 14:04 | for good reasons | |
| 14:04 | slef | because they don't realise that eyetests and hearing tests are ability discrimination |
| 14:04 | nicomo | i do realize this |
| 14:04 | slef | no, because it's easier |
| 14:04 | it's lazy | |
| 14:04 | nicomo | yes, eh eh that was my point |
| 14:04 | slef | it's anti-social and unjust |
| 14:04 | nicomo | ease and lazyness are "good" reasons |
| 14:05 | jdavidb | Naah...assume cluelessness, not malice. I get that all the time, with my mobility issues. |
| 14:05 | slef | they should not override non-discrimination |
| 14:05 | nicomo | jdavidb: ++ |
| 14:06 | slef | jdavidb: I try to. BTW, google use a wheelchair by their eyetests to offer a hearing test instead... bizarre. |
| 14:06 | jdavidb | People don't think about problems that don't relate to them pretty directly, much of the time, unless they're paid to do so, or have a passion for that sort of thing--and the vast majority don't. |
| 14:06 | nicomo | jdavidb: not that easy |
| 14:06 | slef | I spotted a good captcha bug yesterday: "Human test: is this website red or green?" |
| 14:07 | nicomo | because for instance recatpcha *claims* to have solutions for the impaired |
| 14:07 | jdavidb | Clearly, someone didn't think about color-blindness, slef... |
| 14:07 | slef | nicomo: I think, last I checked, if you actually go into the research papers from recaptcha, they admit that impaired access is an unsolved problem. |
| 14:08 | nicomo: but that seems to be missing from the headlines | |
| 14:08 | jdavidb | nicomo: sure...they assume good-faith on the part of recaptcha, and it might even have been built in good faith as an attempt to have a solution... but the attempt fails, apparently. |
| 14:08 | nicomo | yes it does, indeed |
| 14:08 | slef | recaptcha has made me think that CMU may be evil |
| 14:19 | hdl_laptop | slef: are you talking about french CMU ? |
| 14:20 | liz_nekls | chairman wow... monday morning cage fight GO |
| 14:20 | slef | hdl_laptop: no, cmu.edu |
| 14:21 | liz_nekls: ? | |
| 14:21 | hdl_laptop: cmu.edu are the org behind recaptcha.net IIRC | |
| 14:22 | liz_nekls | just surprised to walk into such a debate so early (well, early for me anyway) on a monday |
| 14:23 | slef | hdl_laptop: frenchies are among the leading captcha-debunkers IIRC. http://caca.zoy.org/wiki/PWNtcha was published in France |
| 14:23 | liz_nekls: ah, it's mid-afternoon here. I've had Monday morning avalanche already. | |
| 14:27 | liz_nekls | hee |
| 14:32 | gmcharlt | back on channel - hopefully wifi won't keep bouncing up and down here |
| 14:32 | slef | gmcharlt: you and davi ... it's yoyoday. |
| 14:37 | elwell | /ignore #koha JOINS PARTS QUITS works for me :-) |
| 14:53 | slef | et tu, brendan? |
| 14:57 | chris | back |
| 15:06 | we have taken over the breakfast room | |
| 15:06 | all you can hear is the sound of the cleaner mopping, and typing | |
| 15:07 | jdavidb | That meeting room was just a bit crowded and stuffy on Saturday; I was thinking of the breakfast room, at one point. |
| 15:08 | chris | yeah there is a bit more space .. yesterday was about the right amount of people for the meeting room |
| 15:09 | jdavidb | If a couple of people want to go off in a corner to hack on something (as I saw atz doing on Saturday), there really wasn't quite enough room for that in the board room. Breakfast room would be ample for that. |
| 15:14 | chris | this is true |
| 15:14 | lots of power points also | |
| 15:16 | slef | blah - PTFS ran a seminar last Friday almost within line-of-sight of my office - now I'm getting to hear about it :( |
| 15:17 | I'm in a deep blue funk. I think I'll buy stuff online to alleviate it ;-) | |
| 15:18 | jdavidb | Good idea! |
| 15:28 | slef | that didn't work. I'll try moving some money around instead |
| 15:28 | jdavidb | slef: If moving some my way would make you feel better, that can be arranged! ;-) |
| 15:43 | liz_nekls_ | can someone tell me if http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]5948a840b7951b9d4 was supposed to work across all dropdowns that list branches? |
| 15:43 | or just certain ones? | |
| 15:45 | hdl_laptop | it seems it is dealing with only ones. |
| 15:45 | liz_nekls_: I think I sent a patch for other pages. | |
| 15:46 | liz_nekls_ | link? if you have a moment? |
| 15:47 | gmcharlt | liz_nekls_: it's part of the way, but not all the way |
| 15:47 | liz_nekls_ | k, we found an instance in the cataloging where that same fix will need to be applied |
| 15:48 | gmcharlt | that plus the patch that hdl_laptop is talking about should fix the problem |
| 15:48 | liz_nekls_: 2664? | |
| 15:49 | liz_nekls_ | that, and additionally they are sorted nonsensically (name vs. code) |
| 15:51 | i added that to the bug, gmcharlt | |
| 16:03 | chris | morning schuster |
| 16:03 | atz | http://www.kernel.org/pub/soft[…]cs/git-reset.html |
| 16:03 | caj | thanks |
| 16:10 | liz_nekls_ | chris: you still in the states? |
| 16:12 | chris | yep, its 4.12am at home :) i leave tomorrow |
| 16:12 | liz_nekls_ | Ooh |
| 16:13 | so are you getting on home-time? | |
| 16:14 | chris | not yet, maximising my time left with the developers, i hope it wont be 3 years again until im with paul again, but just in case, making the most of it :) |
| 16:14 | liz_nekls_ | hehe good idea |
| 16:29 | chris | hi sekjal |
| 16:30 | sekjal | hello. |
| 17:00 | schuster | Paul and Chris still online? |
| 17:00 | chris | yes |
| 17:00 | slef | chris was |
| 17:00 | hehe | |
| 17:00 | schuster | Have you all done lunch or what are your plans? |
| 17:01 | chris | ahh no plans as of yet |
| 17:01 | schuster | OK didn't want to drive over and nobody there... are you all planning to work more this afternoon? |
| 17:03 | I'll head that way then see you in say 15? | |
| 17:04 | chris | yeah, those of us who are left, galen, joe and cory have to drop the rental car back by 3.30 |
| 17:04 | but there will be 5 of us left | |
| 17:04 | sounds good | |
| 17:04 | schuster | ok see you shortly. |
| 17:40 | caj | see everybody from the airport - if wireless works |
| 19:08 | chris | and then there were 5 |
| 19:15 | jdavidb | Hi, paul_p! :) It was great meeting you at KohaCon! |
| 21:08 | liz_nekls | is very quiet |
| 21:53 | I am SO SAD that owen is not here right now | |
| 21:58 | does anybody know... if you have custom templates will the intranetuserjs work? | |
| 21:58 | (as in, you have templates not in the prog directory) | |
| 22:03 | chris | and then there were 5 |
| 22:03 | hmm up arrow fail | |
| 22:07 | liz_nekls: not sure, can u try it and see? | |
| 22:19 | Headiee | hi, by any change someone using the libki system? |
| 22:19 | chance | |
| 22:19 | or luck | |
| 22:19 | :) | |
| 22:31 | Sharon | liz-nekls went home, but she left excited about intranetuserjs |
| 22:32 | Headiee | ok, cause i almost have it running |
| 22:32 | but not quite yet | |
| 22:57 | nahuel | http://kohakenya.wordpress.com |
| 22:59 | chris | cool |
| 23:00 | Sharon | wordpress rocks almost as much as koha |
| 23:00 | chris | :) |
| 23:04 | nahuel | but |
| 23:04 | quiet strange we didn't heard about them before | |
| 23:04 | chris | ahh i have heard of them before |
| 23:04 | nahuel | they have some koha installations |
| 23:04 | ah ok | |
| 23:04 | didn't know | |
| 23:04 | :) | |
| 23:04 | chris, i'm walking over your hears :) | |
| 23:05 | ears | |
| 23:05 | chris | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]oha-users-groups/ |
| 23:06 | but it is not unusual to find new groups | |
| 23:06 | nahuel | yep |
| 23:06 | but it's strange they're not taking part of the "official" project | |
| 23:06 | and keep inside of their network | |
| 23:07 | chris | lots are doing that, koha-taiwan etc, i think we want to add a page to the koha.org site listing user groups |
| 23:07 | and encourage them to keep in touch | |
| 23:09 | Sharon | Chris I'm a notorious note taker |
| 23:10 | nahuel | chris++ |
| 23:10 | chris | you are invited to all my meetings then :) |
| 23:10 | Sharon | Just finished a HUGE post for our member libraries about 60+ patches we just got |
| 23:10 | chris | awesome, about the post and the 60+ patches |
| 23:12 | Sharon | took 4 of us 6 hours to go through them all for testing and so Liz could explain what template changes she had to make |
| 23:13 | chris | thats a lot of patches |
| 23:14 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/wizzyrea/3447477286/ <-- still one of my fave photos in the ones tagged kohacon09 | |
| 23:16 | Sharon | they look like ants! We were with Kathryn that day, so I think she took some pics, too. |
| 23:18 | chris | cool, im so glad she managed to get her camera back |
| 23:19 | Sharon | well, it's 6 here, so I'm going home. Safe journeys. |
| 00:43 | pianohacker | hello |
| 03:07 | chris | hello pianohacker :) |
| 03:18 | pianohacker | Ah, hello ! |
| 03:19 | If you're still awake, no, in northern texas | |
| 03:19 | Will finish drive tomorrow | |
| 03:19 | What have you been up to? | |
| 03:20 | Amit | hi chris, mason |
| 03:21 | pianohacker | hi, amit |
| 03:21 | Amit | hi pianohacker |
| 03:24 | chris | pianohacker: shopping mostly, and a little bit of hacking |
| 03:24 | not many of us left, and we all fly out tomorrow | |
| 03:24 | pianohacker | Yeah |
| 03:25 | Have you and paul found the requested items for your wives? :) | |
| 03:25 | chris | i think paul didnt find a watch he liked, but i have all mine :) |
| 03:25 | Amit | hi chris |
| 03:25 | pianohacker | Hah, should be safe to return home then |
| 03:26 | chris | yep :) |
| 03:28 | right time for some sleep, so i dont fall asleep in the airport somewhere and miss a flight | |
| 03:29 | cya in a couple of days | |
| 03:32 | pianohacker | Sorry, system crash |
| 04:41 | Amit | hi greenmang0 |
| 04:41 | greenmang0 | Amit: |
| 04:41 | Amit | yes |
| 04:54 | pianohacker | Good night, all. |
| 10:46 | Amit | hi any one configure pazpar2? |
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