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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:44 | nahuel_ | wake up all ! |
| 12:44 | it's time to wake uuup ! | |
| 12:45 | cait | hi nahuel |
| 12:45 | nahuel_ | hi cait |
| 12:45 | cait | dev weekend starts now? |
| 12:45 | nahuel_ | Well before we need some big breakfast |
| 12:45 | after yesterday night alcohol :p | |
| 12:45 | cait | :) |
| 12:45 | how was the baseball game? | |
| 12:45 | nahuel_ | really interesting |
| 12:46 | (and strange:p) | |
| 12:46 | but funny | |
| 12:46 | cait | g |
| 12:47 | nahuel_ | what about you? |
| 12:48 | cait | sitting on couch and waiting for texas to wake up ;) |
| 12:48 | hope I can be at kohacon next year | |
| 12:48 | nahuel_ | hehe |
| 12:48 | Me too :) | |
| 12:48 | cait | followed twitter and flickr and blogs... really wanted to get some info about new acq - but heard only that its awesome... :) |
| 12:49 | nahuel_ | ahah |
| 12:49 | I think you can ask paul and soul9 some more informations | |
| 12:49 | cait | i have to try that |
| 12:49 | and I still hope the session was recorded | |
| 12:50 | nahuel_ | I think it was |
| 12:50 | cait | nice to hear that |
| 12:50 | :) | |
| 12:50 | nahuel_ | you should ask to david for records |
| 12:51 | cait | hope they will get online soon, but I think everybody will need a little time to recover :) |
| 12:52 | nahuel_ | I think yes |
| 12:52 | well it's the breakfast time | |
| 12:53 | cait | :) |
| 12:53 | see you later then | |
| 12:53 | nahuel_ | see ya |
| 13:08 | nengard | good morning #koha |
| 13:14 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 13:18 | k12linux | 'mornin |
| 13:19 | the KohaCon 2009 developer meeting has begun | |
| 13:19 | :) | |
| 13:23 | First notable quote of the day, "Oh come on computer!" | |
| 13:29 | nengard | adding more chairs to the meeting for for dev meeting :) |
| 13:33 | chris | morning |
| 13:38 | jdavidb | nengard: If you get out of that fluffy chair, owen is liable to take it. Better watch him close. ;-) |
| 13:38 | nengard | jdavidb: thanks for the tip :) |
| 13:39 | owen | I'm more likely to be jumping up... as soon as the coffee arrives |
| 13:39 | k12linux | Coffee is in the back of the room |
| 13:41 | gmcharlt | starting introductions |
| 13:41 | people here | |
| 13:41 | thd (Thomas Dukleth) | |
| 13:42 | nengard (Nicole Engard) | |
| 13:42 | chris (Chris Cormack) | |
| 13:42 | owen | Did you see how I skipped introduction there ? ;) |
| 13:43 | nengard | owen we'll come back to you :) |
| 13:43 | gmcharlt | owen: very clever |
| 13:43 | danny (Danny Bouman) | |
| 13:43 | Cory Jaeger | |
| 13:44 | pianohacker (Jesse Weaver) | |
| 13:44 | paul_p (Paul Poulain) | |
| 13:45 | jwagner (Jane Wagner) | |
| 13:45 | jdavid (David Bavousett) | |
| 13:48 | Dave Goldfind (sp?) | |
| 13:48 | LibDave | is Dave Goldfein (with correct spelling) |
| 13:48 | caj | Goldfein |
| 13:48 | gmcharlt | LibDave (thanks and apologies) |
| 13:48 | Agnes | |
| 13:49 | owen (Owen Leonard) | |
| 13:52 | BWS Johnson | |
| 13:52 | caj | gmcharlt (Galen Charlton) |
| 13:55 | Proposed topics... | |
| 13:56 | decision process for patch conflict resolution | |
| 13:56 | tips&tricks | |
| 13:56 | intro to hacking koha | |
| 13:56 | git | |
| 13:57 | bug severity & priority | |
| 13:58 | -- into to koha hacking and submitting patches | |
| 13:58 | thd volunteered pual_p to present | |
| 14:00 | can someone familiar with Koha take over notes... I'd like to concentrate on this part | |
| 14:01 | jdavidb | I got it, caj. |
| 14:02 | unless someone else wants to, natch. :) | |
| 14:02 | owen | Hey Sharon_, get home okay? |
| 14:03 | Sharon_ | Howdy Owen, an hour delay, but was home by midnight |
| 14:03 | gmcharlt | atz (Joe Atzberger) arrived |
| 14:03 | paul_p is now giving an introduction to Koha's structure for new developers | |
| 14:06 | jdavidb | (except you, nengard. you have to pay attention.) |
| 14:08 | pianohacker | brb breakfast |
| 14:16 | brendan | Goodmoring #koha and dev's |
| 14:17 | chris | hey brendan |
| 14:18 | gmcharlt | hi brendan |
| 14:22 | nahuel_ | hi hi |
| 14:23 | cait | good morning |
| 14:23 | pianohacker | morning cait |
| 14:24 | cait | :) |
| 14:29 | gmcharlt | hi cait |
| 14:30 | pianohacker: or C4::Koha | |
| 14:30 | sysprefs are a good place to try out an OO framework | |
| 14:30 | nahuel_ | pianohacker, it's seems to be great in C4::Context... |
| 14:30 | gmcharlt | yeah, I meant C4::Context |
| 14:30 | nahuel_ | well there is the "preference()" function |
| 14:31 | pianohacker | Context is probably the lesser of two mishmashes |
| 14:34 | nahuel_ | chris, great ! |
| 14:39 | which can be the name about the different ways to calculate renews ? | |
| 14:39 | RenewCalculation? | |
| 14:46 | eiro | hello guies ... |
| 14:47 | is Moose entering in koha ? (galen talked about a OO framework) | |
| 14:47 | gmcharlt | hi eiro it's being considered |
| 14:47 | far from decided | |
| 14:48 | there's a growing consensus that an OO framework would be useful | |
| 14:48 | does need more discussion | |
| 14:48 | nahuel | hi eiro ! |
| 14:48 | gmcharlt | Moose is an example |
| 14:48 | nahuel | paul_p means : KISS concept :) |
| 14:48 | Keep It Simple and Stupid | |
| 14:48 | gmcharlt | but we'd need to decide which framework to use |
| 14:48 | nahuel | :) |
| 14:48 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 14:48 | gmcharlt, are you agree with my syspref name ? | |
| 14:49 | eiro | i played with lot of them (did Joe told you about you discution in providence ?) |
| 14:49 | gmcharlt | nahuel: which syspref? |
| 14:49 | eiro | http://descartes.biblibre.com/koha_future.pdf |
| 14:49 | nahuel | eiro, <nahuel_> RenewCalculation? |
| 14:49 | gmcharlt | eiro: he gave me a summary |
| 14:50 | eiro | that was the slides i used |
| 14:50 | nahuel | gmcharlt, about the renew calculation |
| 14:50 | if we use "today" or "datedue" | |
| 14:50 | eiro | the pb with koha is the CGI mode! please don't choose moose as long as we can't do without it |
| 14:51 | concider Mouse or Coat instead | |
| 14:51 | adn definilty: KiokuDB beats every (perl)? orm ! | |
| 14:52 | gmcharlt | nahuel: I suggest RenewDueDateMethod (or RenewDueDateBasis) |
| 14:52 | nahuel | ok |
| 14:52 | let's go for this | |
| 14:52 | eiro | (for koha at least) |
| 14:52 | http://www.tinybox.net/content/happy-about-sqhelp | |
| 14:53 | nahuel | heu |
| 14:53 | what's this eiro ? | |
| 14:53 | it's an orm example ? | |
| 14:54 | eiro | no: the article in wich i explained why ORMs sucks in koha |
| 14:54 | s/in/for | |
| 14:54 | nahuel | ho ok |
| 14:54 | :) | |
| 14:55 | but what's sqhelp ? | |
| 14:55 | eiro | and SQHelp is the helper i initially wrote for koha to let us time to choose the way to abstract persistance |
| 14:56 | gmcharlt didn't want it but i use it for my own usage and i love it | |
| 14:57 | (it's not as easy to use as an ORM but it drops tons of LOC) | |
| 14:57 | nahuel | LOC ? |
| 14:57 | eiro | lines of codes |
| 14:57 | nahuel | oh i think this is not important :) mr oneliner :) |
| 14:57 | just be working | |
| 14:58 | and easy to do | |
| 14:58 | (my point of view:) ) | |
| 14:58 | eiro | it's very important for one reason: as we centralize the access in some libs , we can debug anywhere |
| 14:58 | nahuel | the number of lines is not the big problem |
| 14:58 | of course :) | |
| 14:59 | but the problem is the architecture, not the number of lines | |
| 14:59 | s/number/count/ | |
| 14:59 | eiro | please see that the fact to use mysql_lastid everywhere in the code makes the things painfull to port to another dbms |
| 14:59 | nahuel | well :) |
| 14:59 | we must une an orm :) | |
| 14:59 | use | |
| 15:00 | we're agree :) | |
| 15:00 | eiro | no ... we're not :) |
| 15:00 | nahuel | tss |
| 15:00 | eiro | but do what you want: i don't give a shit anymore :-> |
| 15:00 | nahuel | tsss |
| 15:01 | give your point of view! | |
| 15:01 | eiro | i did ... lot of times :) |
| 15:02 | nahuel | :) |
| 15:02 | "just do it :)" | |
| 15:02 | eiro | the first important and big step for me would be to try to port koha to a MVC framework in order to deal with a modern way to communicate with a httpd |
| 15:03 | "koha is slow" ? guess why ? 3 letters ... | |
| 15:03 | C . G . I . | |
| 15:04 | so ... WE for me ... | |
| 15:04 | cya all and good coding party | |
| 15:04 | nahuel | hehe |
| 15:05 | eiro, don't think it's cgi | |
| 15:05 | :) | |
| 15:05 | too much session deals | |
| 15:05 | too much sql requests | |
| 15:05 | too much js and external files | |
| 15:05 | eiro | that's the only part of the pb! |
| 15:06 | we're bad on dealing with sessions and MVC frameworks does it well | |
| 15:06 | nahuel | yep |
| 15:06 | of course | |
| 15:06 | :) | |
| 15:06 | it's done for this | |
| 15:06 | (and a lot of other stuffs) | |
| 15:07 | eiro | no maintained env. no bytecoded |
| 15:09 | it's time consumming create an complete env for a CGI. that's one of the reason php bet perl in late 1990: because lot for perl programmers continues to use cgis as php when php can bytecode the sources and share mysql pools between requets | |
| 15:09 | 2009: koha still does it! | |
| 15:10 | chris | of course those some php programmers used global variables and all got hacked, so we dont want to do that part of copying php :-) |
| 15:10 | nahuel | ahah |
| 15:10 | it was only bad php devs | |
| 15:11 | you can do the same in perl | |
| 15:11 | in python | |
| 15:11 | in java | |
| 15:11 | and any other language | |
| 15:11 | eiro | sharing mysql pools is one of the part that are now used by every langages |
| 15:12 | nahuel | :) |
| 15:12 | eiro | nahuel, sure! but only in a kept alive env ... so not in CGI |
| 15:30 | caj | php made it easy for bad coders to code web apps... hence more crackable php sites in general |
| 15:36 | jdavidb | As a side note to the browser-compat discussion, has there been much attention at all to accessibility? I suspect the OPAC would only marginally pass current section 508 requirements. |
| 15:38 | nahuel | caj, because it's easy to set up in shared hosting |
| 15:38 | not because the language is easy | |
| 15:58 | chris | hi nicomo |
| 15:58 | nicomo | hi chris |
| 15:58 | how's the coughing? | |
| 15:59 | (sad tell of the internet that i know here and now (saturday 6pm france) | |
| 15:59 | that you're coughing in TX saturday what? 11am? | |
| 16:04 | chris | hehe yes |
| 16:04 | too much talking | |
| 16:06 | paul_p | hi nicomo |
| 16:06 | nicomo | hi paul_p |
| 16:20 | nengard | oops - how did I close this? |
| 16:20 | I'm back :) | |
| 16:20 | jdavidb - procede with picking on me | |
| 16:33 | jdavidb | nengard: with pleasure. |
| 16:34 | nengard: remember how dead-slow my Eee was yesterday? been working on it--much better, and Koha is making on it right now. | |
| 16:34 | nengard | jdavidb: awesomeness |
| 16:54 | paul_p | nahuel: didn't you do something about : http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=813 ? |
| 16:55 | nahuel | paul_p, no I don't add the shelves comments |
| 16:55 | didn't | |
| 16:55 | should I ? | |
| 16:57 | http://laconi.ca/trac/ <= open source twitter like (it's better to be independant from third parts :)) | |
| 17:00 | jdavidb | nengard, chris: got koha running on the EEE with Easy Peasy 1.0 (Ubuntu Intrepid, on a diet) very much faster than the thumb drive VM |
| 17:03 | paul_p | jdavidb: and it's fast enough to be useable ? wow, I never thought it could work ! |
| 17:03 | pianohacker | Quite nice |
| 17:03 | Do you happen to have a toaster? | |
| 17:04 | jdavidb | paul_p: very much so. snag me at a break and come play with it. Insert yourself as a patron or something; there's nothing in there right now. |
| 17:04 | pianohacker: no, I don | |
| 17:04 | paul_p | lol: @all = "you know you're a geek when you chat with someone in the same room as you :D" |
| 17:04 | jdavidb | don't, even. |
| 17:06 | chris | :) |
| 17:24 | owen | Looking at Bug 3132: When adding a guarantor for a professional patron should we show the "relationship" choice? This has to be the same for Professionals and Child patrons, so they'd be very different options |
| 17:25 | Or is the relationship between professional patron and organization understood? | |
| 17:26 | jdavidb | owne: I would think that's pretty intuitive, but not necessarily a *given.* Consider the case of a federal employee vs contractor. See them in the hall (or at the circ desk) and it would not be obvious. If it was important, though, they'd be creating different patron categories. |
| 17:27 | owen, even.... sheesh. | |
| 17:28 | nahuel | for information, some people of biblibre are playing with python doing a marc editor, for the moment is just a work in progress project, which enable only to read the marcxml and iso2709 files, but it'll be able to modify/write records, url is : https://launchpad.net/pymarcedit |
| 17:28 | owen | jdavidb: Yeah, I was thinking about a similar possibility, like the difference in a university between faculty and staff |
| 17:28 | nahuel | for the moment it's just a "proof of concept" |
| 17:28 | the use interface will be rewrite | |
| 17:29 | jdavidb | owen: right. if they have the same borrow privs, it might be useful, but not crucial, prolly. If they have different borrow privs, it'll be moot. |
| 17:30 | owen | I'm going to leave it out, and leave it up to the person who puts it back in to solve the problem of how to offer different relationship choices to C and P patrons |
| 17:31 | jdavidb | owen: sounds like a plan. |
| 17:55 | caj | tabs rawk |
| 19:37 | jdavidb | dev meeting restarting: gmcharlt is wrapping up the git discussion. Hackfest to follow, I think. |
| 19:53 | nengard | hackfest is beginning |
| 19:54 | pianohacker | (notwitter) Working on the systempreferences editor once again for the KohaCon hackfest |
| 19:56 | nahuel | pianohacker, http://identi.ca/ open source twitter like :) |
| 19:56 | it uses : http://laconi.ca/ | |
| 19:57 | pianohacker | Remember reading about that, thanks :) |
| 20:00 | nahuel | :) |
| 20:00 | non-open webapps are bad :p | |
| 20:02 | jdavidb | Hi, liz_nekls! |
| 20:18 | gmcharlt | pushed fix for bug 908 - thanks paul_p |
| 20:18 | pushed fix for bug 918 - thanks paul_p | |
| 20:20 | pushed patch for bug 1545 - thanks chris | |
| 20:22 | pushed patch for 3132 - thanks owen | |
| 20:45 | pushed patch to batchRepairMissingBiblionumbers - thanks nahuel | |
| 21:02 | brendan | anybody know of a quick way to show a list of all the bugs in bugzilla |
| 21:02 | may have missed that... | |
| 21:04 | chris | i just make a saved search of http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]g&email2=&bugidty |
| 21:05 | so you can save that | |
| 21:05 | in bugzilla mine is "all open bugs" | |
| 21:06 | brendan | chris that works, thanks |
| 21:10 | gmcharlt | pushed patch for bug 946 - thanks paul_p |
| 21:22 | pushed patch for 3102 - thanks brendan | |
| 21:33 | brendan | gmcharlt on patch 3102 -- should I use your recommendation from bugzilla instead of the patch I sent before... This deals with "localization" compared to "location" |
| 21:33 | I also vote for location over localization | |
| 22:26 | owen | dev weekend day 1 winding down... time to find dinner! |
| 22:27 | pianohacker | definitely dinnertime |
| 23:17 | gmcharlt | brendan: go ahead and send a patch using "Location" - note that I've already pushed your first 3102 patch |
| 23:17 | brendan | Ok will do thanks gmcharlt |
| 01:19 | chris | back from dinner |
| 04:25 | evening nahuel, good dinner? | |
| 04:25 | nahuel | chris, ! |
| 04:25 | hey | |
| 04:25 | where are you ? | |
| 04:25 | chris | in my room |
| 04:25 | nahuel | I think it was the best dinner I had in texas ! |
| 04:25 | chris | ohh cool, where did you go? |
| 04:25 | nahuel | And it was the better steack I didn't eat for a long time |
| 04:25 | in a great steack house in dallas | |
| 04:26 | chris | excellent |
| 04:26 | nahuel | it was expensive |
| 04:26 | but really really really good | |
| 04:26 | brendan | it was a good dinner, nahuel |
| 04:26 | hey chris | |
| 04:26 | nahuel | yes |
| 04:26 | chris | hey brendan |
| 04:26 | nahuel | a really great |
| 04:26 | one | |
| 04:26 | brendan | one of the best steaks I've ever had |
| 04:26 | nahuel | me too |
| 04:27 | and the evening was pretty cool | |
| 04:27 | chris | darn, sounds like i picked the wrong night to go shopping |
| 04:27 | nahuel | like yesterday night |
| 04:27 | :) | |
| 04:27 | héhé | |
| 04:27 | chris, you've still tomorow | |
| 04:27 | brendan | ah -- nothing is better than live baseball |
| 04:27 | chris | heh |
| 04:27 | nahuel | huhu |
| 04:28 | chris | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]and-good-friends/ |
| 04:28 | nahuel | you're wrong :) |
| 04:28 | there is another one people :) | |
| 04:29 | brendan | chris what is Korerorero ? |
| 04:29 | chris | it means discussion/talking in maori |
| 04:29 | brendan | oh course |
| 04:30 | that's seems pretty obvious now | |
| 04:30 | nahuel | brendan, when are you leaving ? |
| 04:30 | brendan | tomorrow around noon (12:00) |
| 04:30 | nahuel | ah |
| 04:30 | you're going to mexico ? | |
| 04:30 | brendan | new mexico -- the state next to texas |
| 04:31 | to the west of here | |
| 04:31 | nahuel | aaaah ok |
| 04:31 | brendan | texas is probably as big as france |
| 04:31 | nahuel | what will you do there ? |
| 04:31 | brendan | so basically I'm traveling to another country |
| 04:31 | nahuel | just for fun ? |
| 04:31 | brendan | visit a friend - and go hiking |
| 04:32 | nahuel | cool :) |
| 04:32 | brendan | looking for birds too. |
| 04:32 | nahuel | you're lucky |
| 04:32 | I would do the same :) | |
| 04:32 | travel all over the time | |
| 04:32 | brendan | cool |
| 04:32 | I love to travel, so I agree | |
| 04:32 | nahuel | but i have not my licence :p |
| 04:32 | brendan | ok -- good night all |
| 04:32 | chris | good night |
| 04:33 | nahuel | well :) good night brendan |
| 04:33 | see you tomorow so ? | |
| 04:33 | before you leave | |
| 04:33 | brendan | I could teach you to drive in a few hours nahuel |
| 04:33 | nahuel | hahaha |
| 04:33 | brendan | the roads are so big and straight here |
| 04:33 | nahuel | yes but in france the licence is a little bit hard |
| 04:33 | harder than in usa to obtain | |
| 04:33 | brendan | that's because you have to take the test in french ;) |
| 04:34 | nahuel | ahah |
| 04:34 | well you're driving well | |
| 04:34 | brendan | thanks |
| 04:34 | nahuel | ahah |
| 04:34 | good night brendan | |
| 04:34 | see you tomorow | |
| 04:34 | and good night others | |
| 04:35 | I'm going to sleeeep | |
| 04:35 | brendan | good night nahuel chris and all others |
| 04:35 | nahuel | :) |
| 04:35 | too tired | |
| 04:35 | chris | yep me too, cya in the morning |
| 04:38 | nahuel | see ya |
| 09:02 | Samuray | hi |
| 11:55 | tajoli | I'm tring to use IRC as first time |
| 11:56 | But I leave because is too early in Texas |
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