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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:33 | hdl_laptop | hi |
| 12:33 | gmcharlt: ? | |
| 12:35 | owen | Hi hdl_laptop |
| 12:55 | gmcharlt | hi hdl_laptop |
| 12:57 | hdl_laptop | hi owen hi gmcharlt |
| 12:57 | mail sent this morning. | |
| 19:27 | owen | I see tweets about a Koha presentation at CIL 2009. Anyone know who's doing it? |
| 19:29 | Oh, I see...some folks from Arcadia University | |
| 19:45 | chris | orly? |
| 19:45 | cool | |
| 19:45 | i know a couple of people there, i wonder if they went to it | |
| 19:46 | http://twitter.com/servantek/statuses/1425236433 | |
| 19:46 | that one sounds pretty interesting | |
| 19:46 | bon soir fredericd | |
| 19:47 | fredericd | bonsoir ! |
| 19:49 | chris | Ca va? |
| 19:51 | fredericd | sure Chris... like that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5hrUGFhsXo |
| 19:52 | chris | heh :) |
| 19:52 | they are from wellington too :) | |
| 19:52 | they always make me laugh | |
| 19:53 | fredericd | Kiwis successful in US: a story like yours |
| 19:54 | I don't send you French Flight of the conchors, the won't make you laugh. | |
| 19:55 | http://www.lachansondudimanche.com/ | |
| 19:55 | chris | maybe if i spoke french it would :) |
| 19:57 | this is my favourite french video at the momen | |
| 19:57 | t | |
| 19:57 | http://www.vimeo.com/2113477?pg=embed&sec=2113477 | |
| 19:58 | pianohacker | In the interface, do we generally call staff users "staff" or "librarians"? |
| 19:58 | chris | i think we mix it up |
| 19:59 | staff is probably a better one to use | |
| 19:59 | brendan | I guess you could mix up |
| 19:59 | pianohacker | Yeah, especially since librarian in the US tends to have to connotation of "with college degree" |
| 19:59 | chris | yeah |
| 19:59 | brendan | staff could = more power than librarians |
| 20:00 | heya owen, fredericd pianohacker, chris | |
| 20:00 | pianohacker | Hello, brendan |
| 20:00 | chris | hiya brendan |
| 20:00 | brendan | finally getting a little time to be active on the IRC |
| 20:00 | instead of always catching up! | |
| 02:34 | SelfishMan | Anyone know why zebra would spit out "mf_write: sort81 error (4) no more space" when running 'rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z'? |
| 02:34 | The disk has 30GB free so it isn't running out of disk space | |
| 02:37 | chris | its not trying to use a partition that is filling up? |
| 02:38 | like /tmp ? | |
| 02:38 | SelfishMan | It claims to be putting it on the 30GB partition |
| 02:40 | so, looking at the code it says that an item is available if zebra reports it as not on loan and it isn't lost but there is also mention of items.onloan being checked | |
| 02:40 | is items.onloan being checked if zebra is in use? | |
| 02:40 | chris | pass |
| 02:40 | SelfishMan | ha ha ha |
| 02:41 | chris | it used to just check the issues table |
| 02:42 | SelfishMan | 'available' is defined as (items.onloan is NULL) and (items.itemlost = 0) In English: all records not indexed in the onloan register (zebra) and all records with a value of lost equal to 0 |
| 02:42 | chris | id hope it would check the database |
| 02:42 | SelfishMan | which is why I started looking at zebra thinking that maybe it was out of sync. Apparently items in the catalog are showing as available even when checked out. |
| 02:42 | chris | ahh i guess it is just using zebra then |
| 02:42 | yeah zebra is always going to lag | |
| 02:43 | so i would hope it uses the database as the definitive | |
| 02:45 | but if you are seeing results like that, it sounds like the search results are using what zebra says | |
| 02:45 | SelfishMan | Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I'm rebuilding the entire zebra index to see if that fixes it and then I can try to diagnose why it is going out of sync |
| 02:46 | The queue daemon has been running but I'm not sure if it has been hitting errors | |
| 02:46 | chris | right |
| 02:52 | SelfishMan | enabling shadow spec=/usr/local/koha/var/lib/zebradb/authorities/shadow:16G |
| 02:52 | Am I correct when I interpret that line as the shadow file being allocated 16GB of disk space? | |
| 03:33 | chris | sorry work called |
| 03:33 | yes, yes i think so | |
| 03:33 | zebra does some cool stuff .. .the docs on it suck though | |
| 03:36 | Amit | hi chris, mason, brendan |
| 03:36 | good morning koha | |
| 03:36 | brendan | heya Amit |
| 03:38 | Hey SelfishMan look for the line that says biblios instead of authorities -- I think the default was 4G | |
| 03:39 | Amit | in zebradb folder |
| 03:39 | SelfishMan | brendan: Well that means someone has been tweaking settings. Am I reading that line correctly though? |
| 03:39 | brendan | or add -w flag when running the zebra |
| 03:40 | SelfishMan | so what is shadow indexing then? |
| 03:40 | brendan | I'm not sure last time I looked at was early 3.0 - maybe that has changed let me look at my current one |
| 03:41 | you could running the zebra indexing with a -w (I believe that will not fill up your shadow... | |
| 03:41 | chris | what brendan is saying is that line you pasted above, is fof the authorities |
| 03:41 | ie the authority records | |
| 03:42 | not the bibliography records, you want to take a look at the line that looks a lot like that | |
| 03:42 | but for biblios | |
| 03:42 | mason | hi folks |
| 03:42 | Amit | hi mason |
| 03:42 | mason | as chris mentioned Selfish , your /tmp is prolly filling up |
| 03:43 | chris | in your zebra-biblios.cfg |
| 03:43 | mason | re: ... "mf_write: sort81 error (4) no more space" when running 'rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z'? |
| 03:43 | SelfishMan | ok |
| 03:45 | There isn't a single setting in zebra-biblios.cfg pointing at /tmp | |
| 03:45 | mason | or you are hitting the default limit for index size in your zebra-biblios.cfg file |
| 03:45 | register: /home/mason/koha/pce/var/lib/zebradb/biblios/register:4G | |
| 03:45 | shadow: /home/mason/koha/pce/var/lib/zebradb/biblios/shadow:4G | |
| 03:45 | brendan | try changing the limit -- |
| 03:46 | mason ++ | |
| 03:47 | then run it again with a -w ( I think just checking to make sure the -w does what I think it does) | |
| 03:47 | SelfishMan | The index s less than 4G |
| 03:47 | mason | fyi rebuild_zeb.pl uses /tmp |
| 03:47 | SelfishMan | -w disables the shadow index |
| 03:48 | chris | yeah that script has to dump out all the xml files somewhere to have zebra index them |
| 03:48 | mason | i have had the '"mf_write: ' error a few times myself... |
| 03:49 | and its been always one/some of the issues mentioned above | |
| 03:49 | hey amit ;) | |
| 03:49 | $ sudo apt-get munin | |
| 03:51 | chris | SelfishMan: you can use the -d switch to tell it where you want it to dump the files |
| 03:51 | otherwise | |
| 03:51 | unless ($directory) { $use_tempdir = 1; $directory = tempdir(CLEANUP => ($keep_export ? 0 : 1)); | |
| 03:52 | so id try 2 things, upping the index size in the config and specifying a directory | |
| 03:53 | mason | yep, and a zebra* restart after too, just in case... |
| 03:53 | SelfishMan | I've rebuilt the index so I'll watch it and see what happens. It looks like someone has been playing with this install so I'll have to find out what they are trying to do |
| 03:54 | chris | break things? :) |
| 03:55 | SelfishMan | chris: looks like it! |
| 04:21 | Well, thanks for all the info everyone | |
| 05:00 | bignose-work | to what extent should I trust <URL: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]uide_ubuntu_hardy > ? |
| 05:00 | it's very detailed and helpful, but it looks like the kind of thing that dates very quickly. | |
| 05:01 | Amit | hi bignose-work u means |
| 05:04 | mason | bignose its a good start |
| 05:06 | i have used the guide a few weeks ago for a hardy install, it worked fine ;) | |
| 05:09 | bignose-work | I've got Ubuntu 8.04 hardy installed, and am looking at the IndexData repositories for 'etch' |
| 05:09 | mason | *nod* |
| 05:10 | bignose-work | but the 'yaz' and 'idzebra' packages depend on an obsolete 'libssl0.9.7', when Ubuntu hardy only has 'libssl0.9.8' |
| 05:10 | mason | "Install libssl0.9.7 ( Needed For Yaz ). Hardy has libssl0.9.8, but yaz won’t install with that one. We need to download the older version and install it by hand. (2.1mb)." |
| 05:11 | as per the guide... ;) | |
| 05:11 | bignose-work | hurm. a known bug being busily addressed with a fix? :-) |
| 05:12 | chris | well no, it works fine with etch, so i dont think indexdata will change the etch packages |
| 05:12 | you file a bug in ubuntu and get them to package yaz | |
| 05:12 | s/you file/you could file/ | |
| 05:13 | bignose-work | chris: shall move to private chat |
| 05:13 | chris | if they havent already |
| 05:16 | bignose-work | so is using the Debian-packaged 'yaz' (and 'idzebra'?) advised for smooth operation? |
| 05:16 | I guess not, for Ubuntu 8.04 | |
| 05:18 | chris | ive used them with debian, never tried them with ubuntu |
| 05:19 | mason | well, there are hardy 8.04 deb up on id.dk... |
| 05:19 | so you get to experiment with those , if yr curious.. | |
| 05:19 | http://ftp.indexdata.dk/pub/yaz/ubuntu/8.04/ | |
| 05:20 | http://ftp.indexdata.dk/pub/zebra/ubuntu/8.04/ | |
| 05:20 | that might work better for you | |
| 05:21 | bignose-work | mason: thanks |
| 05:21 | mason | FYI : looks like the ubuntu debs appeared after the ubuntu guide |
| 05:22 | chris | bignose-work: if they work you would be doing the community a big favour if you updated the wiki to say to use those :) |
| 05:22 | mason | so they hopefully avoid the libssl hack |
| 05:22 | chris | im sure they do |
| 05:22 | bignose-work | chris: thanks for the help |
| 05:23 | mason | good luck bignose, and chris too ;) |
| 05:24 | bignose-work | mason: are those URLs part of an APT-suitable repository? |
| 05:24 | mason | http://ftp.indexdata.dk/pub/zebra/ubuntu/README |
| 05:28 | bignose-work | via that repository I don't have an 'idzebra' package available, only an 'idzebra-2.0' package. is that the right one? |
| 05:29 | mason | yeah, should be ok... |
| 05:30 | done an 'apt-get update' after adding the repo lines?? | |
| 06:54 | bignose-work | using 'aptitude' FTW, but yes. |
| 07:09 | chris | right, bathed, books read, teeth brushed and in bed |
| 07:13 | hi Kivutar, hows the api goin? | |
| 07:17 | Kivutar | hi chris |
| 07:18 | i have implemented almost all the ils-di services needed by sopac2 | |
| 07:19 | chris | excellent |
| 07:19 | do you have a git branch online anywhere? | |
| 07:20 | Kivutar | no, but i can send you a tar.gz |
| 07:21 | mc | hello |
| 07:21 | Kivutar, did you looked at my newsubscription wrapper | |
| 07:21 | ? | |
| 07:21 | chris | that would be great |
| 07:22 | mc | i dream about a complete alternative koha api based on it! |
| 07:22 | :) | |
| 07:24 | Kivutar | mc: not yet, can you remind me in which file it is? |
| 07:25 | mc | see the sources in Koha::Tools |
| 07:25 | Kivutar | ok |
| 07:25 | mc | (use the tests as doc for the moment) |
| 07:25 | Kivutar | chris: i have to reorganize my code a little bit, then i send it to you by mail |
| 07:26 | chris | cool :) |
| 07:27 | mc | BTW: symbolic references rulez and i wonder if it would been so easy in python :) |
| 07:27 | Kivutar | mc: hahahah |
| 07:27 | chris | maybe biblibre could set up git.biblibre.com |
| 07:27 | mc | chris, maybe ;-) |
| 07:28 | chris | then i could pull from your development branches :) |
| 07:30 | mc: http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]docs/history.txt; i think by friday i will be up to your first commit :) | |
| 07:33 | mc | hehe |
| 07:34 | well chris i have to admit i don't comit at all for the moment :) | |
| 07:34 | nahuel | hi all :) |
| 07:34 | mc | hi nahuel |
| 07:34 | nahuel | mc, I already said "hi" to you! |
| 07:35 | chris | well in the whole scheme of things, commits are only 1 part of making a succesful free software product and community |
| 07:35 | mc | nahuel, ('hi')x365 |
| 07:36 | (forget me for the next year! | |
| 07:36 | ;) | |
| 07:46 | SelfishMan | anyone know of an open source self checkout system? |
| 07:47 | nahuel | "self" ? |
| 07:47 | SelfishMan | nahuel: "self" as in patrons being able to checkout materials on their own |
| 07:48 | nahuel | this exists? |
| 07:48 | SelfishMan | There are several commercial solutions |
| 07:53 | chris | you can do it with koha |
| 07:54 | http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]a/sco/sco-main.pl | |
| 07:58 | or you can use any machine that talks SIP2 and koha | |
| 07:59 | nahuel | chris, what's sco ? |
| 08:00 | chris | self check out |
| 08:00 | nahuel | but it's not in the koha sources |
| 08:01 | chris | yep it is |
| 08:02 | nahuel | cannot find it... |
| 08:04 | chris | 2 secs |
| 08:04 | its in opac/ | |
| 08:04 | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]=tree;f=opac/sco; | |
| 08:07 | nahuel | ah ok |
| 08:07 | in opac | |
| 08:07 | thanks | |
| 08:19 | chris | no problem |
| 08:30 | hi kf | |
| 08:30 | guten morgen | |
| 08:31 | vie gehts? | |
| 08:34 | kf | good, thx. how are you? |
| 08:35 | vie = wie :) | |
| 08:35 | chris | ahh i was writing phonetically |
| 08:36 | good thanks as well | |
| 08:36 | survived april fools day | |
| 08:41 | kf | its not over here yet |
| 08:41 | chris | is it a big deal there? |
| 08:44 | kf | not a big deal, but there are april fools in newspapers, sometimes in mails and joking colleagues of course |
| 08:45 | have to be careful not to believe everything I read today | |
| 08:46 | chris | the same here |
| 08:46 | kf | chris: what does AMC stands for? |
| 08:47 | chris | hmmm in what context? |
| 08:48 | ohh i see the email | |
| 08:48 | kf | just read a mail on koha-devel: Data Conversion form Newgenlib to koha and wondered about the appreviation |
| 08:48 | good morning paul and nicomo | |
| 08:49 | chris | yeah, i have no idea |
| 08:49 | i think support | |
| 08:50 | id certainly tell them to not go to koha 2.2.9, if they were going to koha to go to 3.0.1 | |
| 08:51 | maybe it means A Management Contract | |
| 08:52 | anasha, have you heard of AMC before? | |
| 08:54 | anasha | chris, is it Annual Maintenance Contract |
| 08:54 | ? | |
| 08:54 | chris | ahh that makes sense |
| 08:54 | We are from INMAS, DRDO, Delhi. Presently we are using newgenlib (OSS), we had tried a lot to give AMC to Newgenlib developers (M/s Verus Solutions) at normal rates but they did not responded positive. | |
| 08:55 | are you on the devel list? | |
| 08:55 | seems like a good opportunity for one of the indian koha support companies :) | |
| 08:55 | anasha | yes... this AMC stands for Annual Maintenance Contract |
| 08:55 | chris, yes | |
| 08:55 | chris | thank you |
| 08:58 | kf | :) |
| 09:01 | anasha | chris, you are very much true |
| 09:02 | we are becoming bigger and bigger.... just like big bang | |
| 09:03 | chris | heh |
| 09:39 | Amit | hi chris: this is possible we can install three koha on one server |
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