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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:33 | owen | What's up |
| 12:34 | ...#koha? | |
| 13:04 | slef | hdl_laptop: paul_p: is nicomo about for IRC in 15-30mins? |
| 13:04 | owen: not "What's on your mind?" ;-) | |
| 13:04 | biab | |
| 13:15 | hdl_laptop | slef: nicomo is in Limoges for a training session. |
| 13:26 | slef | hdl_laptop: thanks. When's he back or is someone else handling his tasks while he's away? |
| 14:41 | hdl_laptop: thanks. When's he back or is someone else handling his tasks while he's away? | |
| 18:33 | danny | Do you have to be subscribed to the koha patches mailing list in order to submit patches to it? (trying to debug why someones patch didn't make it to the mailing list) |
| 18:35 | gmcharlt | danny: it helps - sometimes one may get kept in moderation |
| 18:36 | danny | ah ok, I see |
| 19:40 | chris | morning |
| 19:42 | ron: can you yell out when you see this please ;) | |
| 19:47 | morning richard | |
| 19:48 | richard | hi chris |
| 20:40 | brendan | Good afternoon #koha |
| 20:40 | SelfishMan | afternoon |
| 20:41 | chris | heya brendan |
| 20:41 | brendan | how's everything with you all |
| 20:41 | err y'all | |
| 20:43 | chris | practising for texas? :) |
| 20:43 | SelfishMan | The snow has melted up here in Montana so pretty good I'd say |
| 20:44 | slef | emailed nicomo :-/ |
| 21:32 | chris | ron: http://comments.gmane.org/gman[…]p.misc.koha/13478 |
| 21:32 | seems like a perfect opportunity for you to jump in :) | |
| 22:03 | slef | you know it's bad when the project plan sprawls over A2 |
| 22:05 | chris | ouch slef |
| 22:56 | ron | chris: howdy |
| 22:57 | interesting | |
| 22:57 | does joe = atz (in here)? | |
| 22:58 | atz | ron: yep, i'm here |
| 22:58 | ron | atz: howdy. was just reading the gmane link which chris quoted |
| 22:58 | presumably that's you? | |
| 22:59 | atz | yeah, that was my reply |
| 22:59 | ron | atz: I'm happy to sponsor the deb packaging |
| 22:59 | sponsor = $$ | |
| 22:59 | atz | awesome |
| 22:59 | ron | of course, I have no idea the magnitude of this. :) |
| 23:00 | atz | oh that's ok, neither does anybody else. |
| 23:00 | :) | |
| 23:00 | ron | heh |
| 23:00 | I've got a DD involved from my end, although he has no experience with Koha | |
| 23:00 | atz | "I just want to apt-get koha. Why doesn't it work?" |
| 23:00 | ron | but he's got plenty of packaing experience |
| 23:01 | but more importantly, I've got a customer who will pay for the ongoing maintenance of the package | |
| 23:01 | ongoing = 5 yrs | |
| 23:02 | atz | wow, that's remarkable |
| 23:02 | ron | meh. gov't |
| 23:02 | gmcharlt | ron: cool |
| 23:02 | atz | gmcharlt is my project manager at LL |
| 23:03 | ron | liblime? |
| 23:03 | gmcharlt | there's a DD, Vincent Danjean, who's been working on packaging |
| 23:03 | atz | right |
| 23:03 | chris | yep i introduced ron to vincent |
| 23:03 | ron | yeah, VDJ isn't so interested in being responsible for the package |
| 23:03 | gmcharlt | good |
| 23:03 | atz | right, since he doesn't really get Koha itself |
| 23:03 | ron | but he has documented his progress |
| 23:03 | gmcharlt | good (re intro) |
| 23:04 | ron | gmcharlt: yeah, I got that. heh |
| 23:04 | slef | I have someone interested in being responsible for the package, but unavailable until April |
| 23:04 | ron | slef: that's only a month away |
| 23:04 | atz | 1 mo. vs. 5 years isn't much |
| 23:04 | ron | it'll take that long to get all the ducks lined up anyway |
| 23:04 | slef | I will reply to emails soon, but priorities are screwing me |
| 23:05 | a non-nonegotiable deadline which some of you know about is coming up next week | |
| 23:05 | ron | getting married? |
| 23:05 | ;-) | |
| 23:05 | slef | nah, did that a while ago |
| 23:05 | ron | ahh.. baby |
| 23:05 | slef | nope |
| 23:06 | this is 100% work | |
| 23:06 | sadly | |
| 23:06 | ron | so's a baby |
| 23:06 | :) | |
| 23:06 | slef | heh |
| 23:06 | ron | or my four were/are |
| 23:06 | atz | the first thing i would do is redefine scope a bit, for the first iteration of the package. namely, don't waste any time on no-zebra. |
| 23:06 | slef | blah, this ps file is blank :-/ |
| 23:06 | ron | wtf is zebra? |
| 23:06 | slef | zebra is the biblio indexer |
| 23:06 | gmcharlt | search engine used by Koha |
| 23:06 | atz | zebra is the indexing and z3950 core of Koha |
| 23:07 | ron | righto |
| 23:07 | slef | !newlogbot, zebra? |
| 23:07 | gmcharlt | NoZebra is a pure perl, older, biblio indexing mode |
| 23:07 | slef | newlogbot, zebra? |
| 23:07 | newlogbot: botsnack? | |
| 23:07 | ron | maybe newlogbot's index is screwed? ;-) |
| 23:07 | gmcharlt | slef: you're crediting newlogbot with much more intelligence than it has |
| 23:07 | ron | irony |
| 23:07 | gmcharlt | !slef |
| 23:08 | slef | !botsnack |
| 23:08 | !seen botsnack | |
| 23:08 | atz | i started chipping away at the vincent's wiki page.... striking out things that could be ignored (or outright removed) |
| 23:09 | ron | this deb package will take a while to get 'finished', so we're moving ahead with deploying on a dedicated host via the usual tarball method |
| 23:09 | once the deb is available then we'll migrate to the primary server they're wanting it on | |
| 23:11 | atz | ron: are you looking to RFP? basically, how do you want the solution pitched? |
| 23:11 | ron | I'm not necessarily looking at taking the cheapest route |
| 23:12 | I'm more concerned with longer term responsibility | |
| 23:12 | and, heck, some money back into the community would well for everyone | |
| 23:12 | atz | right, 5 years is a long time in software |
| 23:12 | ron | ...would work well... |
| 23:12 | atz: year by year then | |
| 23:13 | if I can get someone who is willing to be responsible for just *one* year then I'd be happy | |
| 23:13 | I assume it'd be relatively easy to identify someone to take the reigns in year two, then three, etc | |
| 23:13 | gmcharlt | the bulk of the work will be completing the initial packaging - as long as the process is documented, should be easier to keep it up |
| 23:13 | atz | ron: I'll take the second year. :) |
| 23:13 | ron | atz: lazy! :) |
| 23:14 | atz | heh j/k |
| 23:14 | ron | atz: was amusing that you comment came on the heels of gmcharlt's |
| 23:14 | atz | yeah, similar thoughts |
| 23:14 | gmcharlt | get out of my head! |
| 23:14 | :) | |
| 23:15 | atz | in any case, I suppose we should have somebody higher up at LL contact you to parameterize and get you a quote |
| 23:16 | (as in, higher up than me... gmcharlt could probably do it) | |
| 23:16 | ron | atz: do you have enough info? ie; requirements? |
| 23:16 | atz | it will take some more investigation on the front-end to be accurate |
| 23:17 | ron | of course |
| 23:17 | gmcharlt | ron: most of the requirements are evident, I think, but there would be questions |
| 23:17 | ron | ok |
| 23:17 | atz | internationalization packages for example |
| 23:17 | gmcharlt | heh - was about to ask exactly that |
| 23:17 | ron | heck, I'm not in botswana |
| 23:17 | atz | we have a *ton* of translations in various stages of completeness |
| 23:18 | ideally they are each independent so you don't have to install all of them | |
| 23:18 | gmcharlt | and ideally, en_UK, en_AU, and en_US will become localizations |
| 23:18 | atz | right |
| 23:19 | ron | btw, I should let you know that I have two engineers who are involved from my end; twb & benf |
| 23:19 | you'll likely be hearing from benf in here today | |
| 23:19 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 23:19 | ron | I'm merely the salesdude |
| 23:19 | although the salesdude who knows how to spell I.T. | |
| 23:21 | chris | we already have en_NZ |
| 23:21 | at least for the opac | |
| 23:21 | its about 60% done for the intranet | |
| 23:21 | AU will be pretty darn close | |
| 23:22 | atz | chris: is there *any* divergence? i can't tell the difference from here |
| 23:22 | chris | maybe just in library terminology |
| 23:25 | atz | ok, heading out to get some food for cats... |
| 23:26 | i'll leave it for gmcharlt and ron to hash out | |
| 23:28 | ron | slef: sorry, I didn't realise I'd already emailed you. I didn't make the connection. :) |
| 23:32 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 23:33 | ron | you can laugh. I emailed him to tell him what I'd learned in here, probably from slef himself. bleh |
| 23:33 | gmcharlt | no, just laughing at the general game of guessing names from nicks |
| 23:33 | ron | :) |
| 23:33 | gmcharlt | anyway, glad I could help with the connection |
| 23:34 | ron | too right. many thanks |
| 23:37 | gmcharlt | heading out myself, but I'll be responding to your email soon |
| 23:37 | slef | you may find /who #koha helpful |
| 23:38 | ron | oh, yeah. never thought of that |
| 02:38 | Rosa | Si: if you are there I have david from advantage on #hlt |
| 03:40 | Amit | hi chris, mason, brendan |
| 03:40 | chris what about match | |
| 03:40 | india 220/3 | |
| 07:54 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:56 | chris | hiya kf |
| 07:56 | kf | hi chris |
| 07:57 | fredericd | guten morgen und hiya |
| 07:59 | kf | guten morgen frederic |
| 08:01 | oh i noticed that due_date is atm calculated differently in 3.0.1 and 3.2 | |
| 08:03 | caused by this patch http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]2c8a18761d1abf5f7 | |
| 08:04 | chris | ahh which one is doing it right? |
| 08:05 | sounds like 3.0.1 is .... | |
| 08:05 | on first reading anyway | |
| 08:05 | kf | for germany head is |
| 08:05 | chris | right |
| 08:05 | i suspect that it should be a system preference then | |
| 08:05 | kf | no, because if you do duedate + , patrons will renew immediately after checking items out |
| 08:05 | chris | renew from due_date or renew from today |
| 08:06 | fredericd | discussed by Joshua on list: http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]March/002696.html |
| 08:06 | kf | yes, i think this would be the best solution |
| 08:06 | chris | yep, but some libraries might want that |
| 08:06 | so best to have the default behaviour be the way it used to | |
| 08:06 | kf | i agree that some might want that |
| 08:06 | chris | and have a switch so libraries that want it work like the patch can |
| 08:06 | kf | in our current systems you can define, when a user is allowed to renew, how many days before due_date |
| 08:07 | chris | that would be a good feature too |
| 08:07 | kf | i think than you can handle it with due_date + without making it difficult to get a hold on the item |
| 08:09 | I just think its not good, as it is now - different. and I hope you dont forget to fix this before 3.0.2 :) | |
| 08:09 | chris | yeah |
| 08:10 | it should either be reverted, or be changed to use a system preference | |
| 08:10 | hopeuflly hdl will be on irc later | |
| 08:11 | kf | yep :) |
| 08:12 | chris | there he is :) |
| 08:12 | kf | hi hdl |
| 08:13 | discussed different calculation of due_date in HEAD and 3.01 with chris | |
| 08:13 | chris | (when renewing) |
| 08:13 | kf | thats right |
| 08:14 | I think with due_date + new loan period, the patrons will renew immediately after checking items out | |
| 08:17 | I think this should be a system preference, and in addition there should be the possibility to define, when patrons are allowed to new, something like "7 days before due date" | |
| 08:29 | hi nahuel | |
| 08:29 | nahuel | kf, hi |
| 08:31 | hdl_laptop | hi kf |
| 08:33 | Actually, there already is a syspref that allow ppl to choose whether they add new loan period or just base it on the renewal date. | |
| 08:34 | chris | ahh does that code respect it? |
| 08:34 | hdl_laptop | It was a patch sent by nahuel. |
| 08:34 | Maybe galen has not pushed it. | |
| 08:35 | kf | http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]March/002696.html |
| 08:35 | he didn't and I think its right not to push it | |
| 08:35 | should be a system preference | |
| 08:35 | but I m a little worried, because now its handled different | |
| 08:36 | oh | |
| 08:36 | sorry hdl, overread your comment |
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