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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:29 | Amit | hi jwagner |
| 11:43 | jwagner | Hi Amit. Good morning or afternoon or whatever :-) |
| 11:43 | Amit | good evening |
| 11:43 | jwagner | |
| 11:43 | 5:13 pm in india | |
| 11:43 | jwagner | One of these years I'll wrap my mind around time zones. I can barely keep up with continental U.S. Sigh. |
| 11:44 | SelfishMan | I love the half hour time zones. They really mess with things |
| 11:44 | Amit | hi selfishMan |
| 11:44 | SelfishMan | mornin' |
| 11:45 | kf | near lunch time here :) 12:44 (germany) |
| 11:45 | SelfishMan | 5:45am here in Montana |
| 11:45 | jwagner | And 7:45 in Maryland |
| 11:45 | Amit | hmm 11:30 behind |
| 11:46 | 11:30 hr | |
| 11:46 | hi kf | |
| 11:46 | kf | hi Amit |
| 11:46 | Amit | so how r u |
| 11:46 | kf | |
| 11:47 | ;) | |
| 11:47 | kf | near lunch time - so im fine, need a break now |
| 11:47 | Amit | hmm |
| 11:52 | kf | bbl |
| 11:53 | Amit | means |
| 12:01 | hi chris | |
| 12:14 | jwagner | Is anyone around who knows anything about bug 2655, Items waiting on the hold shelf display as "Available" in OPAC? Owen? |
| 12:43 | owen | jwagner, you were asking about big 2655? |
| 12:43 | I mean bug 2655 | |
| 12:49 | jwagner | Yes, the one where items on the hold shelf still show as available in the OPAC. Bugzilla says that's still outstanding, correct? |
| 12:51 | owen | Yeah, I haven't heard anything about it |
| 12:51 | Do you have folks on staff who are looking at bugs? | |
| 12:52 | jwagner | Not yet, but it's a problem for us. I saw you were one of the people reporting/discussing it -- didn't know if you knew about any fix in the works. |
| 12:52 | (We're working on other bugs, but not this one, to clarify.) | |
| 12:53 | owen | That's great to hear |
| 12:53 | It's a severe enough bug that I would think someone would be working on it, but I haven't heard anything | |
| 12:54 | jwagner | I had hoped so, too. I'll keep my ears open, and we'll think about working on a fix -- no promises yet.... |
| 12:55 | owen | I'm surprised I haven't heard more complaints about this bug from my staff |
| 12:57 | jwagner | That's OK, I'm making up for it on the "hearing complaints" level :-( |
| 12:58 | Thanks, Owen. Gotta run to a meeting now -- back later. | |
| 13:07 | owen | I'm trying to see in Search.pm where it checks whether something is waiting, and I'm not seeing it. |
| 13:07 | Not that that means anything necessarily. | |
| 13:46 | jwagner | Owen, are you rearranging deck chairs??? |
| 13:46 | owen | Just noticing how many people are timing out |
| 13:46 | jwagner | OK, I was a bit worried :-) |
| 14:19 | liz_nekls_ | jwagner: NEKLS sees that too |
| 14:19 | the items on the hold shelf displaying as available | |
| 14:19 | definitely one of our pet peeves | |
| 14:24 | atz: you'll be around later for this envisionware deal? (1pm central) | |
| 14:25 | jwagner | Liz, let us know if you hear anything about a possible fix. |
| 14:25 | Off to another meeting, back later.... | |
| 14:25 | liz_nekls_ | yea, I definitely will... we're waiting with bated breath for sure |
| 14:27 | atz | liz_nekls_: yep, looking forward to figuring out what the deal is there... |
| 15:05 | liz_nekls_ | cool ttyl then (dang work kept me away for 30 mins, sheesh) |
| 15:08 | atz | stupid job always getting in the way of... my job |
| 16:39 | owen | Twitter's tagline should be "What are you facepalming about today?" |
| 16:40 | My current gripe: search result RSS feed lists title and...number of pages? How about subtitle? author? | |
| 17:56 | atz | liz_nekls: who's calling who? |
| 17:56 | *whom... | |
| 17:57 | hello | |
| 21:24 | [k3rn3l] | hi.. why perl and not something else? |
| 21:24 | SelfishMan | perl is stable and works |
| 21:26 | [k3rn3l] | i would say very stable :) |
| 21:27 | thanks | |
| 21:27 | chris | plus in 1999 |
| 21:27 | CPAN pretty much ruled the roost | |
| 21:28 | we would have had to write a lot more code if we used another language, also we had 3 people at katipo who knew perl ;) | |
| 21:29 | richard | hi |
| 21:29 | chris | speaking of katipo, heya richard :) |
| 21:30 | richard | hi chris |
| 21:30 | SelfishMan | perl is nice |
| 21:31 | I can't believe that nobody has created a module to handle web archives (.warc) | |
| 21:31 | [k3rn3l] | i believe that koha is the most used open source in this kind of software! right? |
| 21:32 | SelfishMan | I think here in the US Evergreen is dominant but I could be wrong |
| 21:32 | chris | nope there are far more koha installs than evergreen ones |
| 21:32 | even in the US | |
| 21:33 | SelfishMan | well that is good to hear |
| 21:33 | chris | it's not really a competition :) |
| 21:33 | [k3rn3l] | i've seen evergreen, and it is also perl! |
| 21:33 | and both seem really cool | |
| 21:33 | SelfishMan | chris: I know it's not but I do like to know that there is a larger community around the one I use! |
| 21:34 | chris | makes sense |
| 21:34 | [k3rn3l] | well, community makes open source better |
| 21:35 | you guys are also responsible for instalations in libaries? | |
| 21:35 | chris | im not |
| 21:35 | and sometimes i send in some patches | |
| 21:36 | [k3rn3l] | i work in a city hall and the spent some money acquiring this commercial solution!! desktop based |
| 21:37 | chris | but i was paid to work on koha from 1999, to 2007 .. and hopefully will be again in the future |
| 21:38 | SelfishMan: have i asked if you are going to Kohacon? | |
| 21:38 | [k3rn3l]: commercial isnt bad ... proprietary i dont like | |
| 21:38 | SelfishMan | I was hoping to make it but I have a security job at that time and I can't reschedule it |
| 21:39 | chris | people open confuse commercial and proprietary .. you can be commercial and opensource |
| 21:39 | SelfishMan: bummer :( | |
| 21:39 | [k3rn3l] | chris: commercial and proprietary |
| 21:40 | chris | yeah, those usually are annoying :) |
| 21:40 | SelfishMan | I know. There will be a few people going from in the state and even one person working for the state shared catalog |
| 21:40 | [k3rn3l] | there is a lot of commercial open source |
| 21:40 | pentahoo is a good example | |
| 21:40 | chris | koha even |
| 21:40 | if you go with a paid support company | |
| 21:41 | [k3rn3l] | drupal itself offers paid support |
| 21:41 | chris | *nod* |
| 21:41 | [k3rn3l] | and lots of other well know CMSs |
| 21:41 | chris | SelfishMan: i will try to blog all the sessions |
| 21:42 | [k3rn3l] | what I don't like to see is when a company makes all kinds of money with OSS and never give something back to the community |
| 21:42 | SelfishMan | cool. Any thoughts on posting some video or audio? |
| 21:42 | chris | if i had the ability to record some i would, ill ask around |
| 21:43 | [k3rn3l]: sometimes even that helps the community indirectly | |
| 21:43 | by making the product seem more 'real' | |
| 21:44 | but yes, id rather they gave back directly | |
| 21:44 | SelfishMan | We are hitting critical mass in my state where many libraries are ready to adopt koha but they have a handful of concerns Lee and I are trying to address |
| 21:44 | chris | SelfishMan: im sure we can figure something out, someone in the US has gotta have a dvd camera |
| 21:44 | am i remembering right, you are in montana? | |
| 21:44 | SelfishMan | yep |
| 21:45 | [k3rn3l] | here in portugal the national informatics institute is using koha |
| 21:46 | chris | at butte silver bow? |
| 21:46 | [k3rn3l]: thats excellent news :) | |
| 21:46 | SelfishMan | I was shocked to hear that somone from the state's shared catalog was going to attend kohacon considering the hate they initially showed towards it |
| 21:46 | chris | [k3rn3l]: http://translate.koha.org/pt/ |
| 21:47 | i wonder if you know people who can help translate Koha into portuguese ? | |
| 21:47 | SelfishMan: oh yeah? informed hate, or just plain old prejudice? :-) | |
| 21:48 | [k3rn3l] | well, I know a lot of people... I'll see if they are willing to make part of such a cool project |
| 21:48 | SelfishMan | Well, not really hate as much as an instinctive fear response |
| 21:48 | chris | ahh yeah, thats fairly common SelfishMan |
| 21:48 | [k3rn3l]: excellent :-) | |
| 21:49 | SelfishMan | Yeah, I know. It's unfortunate and doesn't help the patrons in the state. We're willing to work with them and be patient while they realize we aren't trying to attack them. |
| 21:49 | chris | *nod* |
| 22:03 | [k3rn3l] | one thing i've noticed.. those that use evergreen simple love it... those who use koha simple love it!! hehe |
| 22:04 | SelfishMan | It's amazing the response I see from people that switch to koha and are actually able to have the changes made that they want. I guess they are all used to being told to deal with it as is. |
| 22:05 | chris | yeah, software vendors have had it way to easy for too long |
| 22:07 | SelfishMan | I love the look on their faces when I tell them "Sure, give me a minute and I'll fix that" |
| 22:07 | chris | hehe |
| 22:08 | [k3rn3l] | that or wait for the next major update!! man... i don't like proprietary. most of the time the just want to build new features instead of fixing the ones the already have |
| 22:08 | SelfishMan | That's one thing I've always loved about open source. It's built around the people instead of trying to mold the people around the software |
| 22:10 | [k3rn3l] | i will give you an example: this module to send e-cards... all it does it send an image via email! wtf :S:S. when i asked for improvements they said that e-card was just a core module and that there was no more support! |
| 22:10 | so, what the point of making something (and paying for it) if you just can't use it the right way ?! | |
| 22:11 | SelfishMan | If it's all you have then it is better than nothing. |
| 22:11 | [k3rn3l] | that's the tipical "deal with it as it is" |
| 22:13 | SelfishMan | It's kind of the same thing with my grandfather and broadband. He was happy with a 14.4K modem when 33.6K was dominant then I upgraded him. He was happy with that until I upgraded him to 56K. Finally I kicked him up to broadband and when the provider went under I told him we could switch him back to dialup or double his access charge with someone else and he very clearly said in a dead serious voice "I will never go back to dialup" |
| 22:13 | Until you have better you really don't know what you are missing | |
| 22:16 | [k3rn3l] | so true... but mentalities are so hard to change!! people have this ideia of comercial / propertary: "i'm paying, so if I have problems they will handle it" and this one with open source: "it's free, but what if I have problems... what's going to happen?" |
| 22:16 | chris | yeah |
| 22:18 | SelfishMan | The last time I called Follet for support on Athena (formerly from Sagebrush) they told me that I needed to buy the latest product despite us paying for a support contract. That was the point that we decided FOSS was the way to go for the next ILS |
| 22:18 | brendan | *nods* - free open-source education for the masses, is what is needed |
| 22:19 | [k3rn3l] | well, with porbase (what we have here) it's the same! it uses a ms access database, if you want webaccess then you have to accquire sql server + more licenses for their software |
| 22:19 | SelfishMan | I'm curious what concerns and resistance you all have run up against when trying to transition to koha |
| 22:21 | [k3rn3l] | + windows server + license + a computer to run it! |
| 22:23 | i think people is scared of open source!! and also a matter of having the right people (read knowledge) in the right places | |
| 22:24 | everytime i talk about open source the question people make are: "what about support? it means more work? linux... yeahhh cooll.. but windows is windows!!" and so on! | |
| 22:25 | SelfishMan | I've heard that a lot |
| 22:27 | [k3rn3l] | i don't know there in the us: bu here in pt informatics is still lead by "non specialized" people |
| 22:27 | if you can assemble a pc and install a printer then you are the computers guy!! | |
| 22:27 | that's the sad truth we have to deal here :s | |
| 22:28 | SelfishMan | I see that a lot as well. That works as long as the people admit they don't know and are willing to learn. |
| 22:36 | chris | sorry got sucked into work |
| 22:36 | yeah, thats a really common thing | |
| 22:36 | often people secretly like the fact they cant fix something .. then they dont have to | |
| 22:37 | its much easier to moan your software sux, than to do something abut it | |
| 22:37 | [k3rn3l] | chris: now you've said it all! |
| 23:11 | SelfishMan | Gnewt: From #linode as well? |
| 23:25 | [k3rn3l] | so, is koha your only projects? |
| 23:25 | one of the problems i face is that i want to do a bit of everything... | |
| 23:26 | and sometimes i end up doing very little :S | |
| 23:26 | SelfishMan | koha is one of the many projects I'm tied up in |
| 23:27 | [k3rn3l] | all in software? |
| 23:27 | SelfishMan | several open source software projects, several proprietary, some hardware projects and a bunch of other random stuff |
| 23:28 | [k3rn3l] | how do you manage all that? |
| 23:28 | SelfishMan | I'm a bit of a universal contractor |
| 23:28 | [k3rn3l] | and you background in computer science? |
| 23:29 | SelfishMan | Mostly I work fast and efficient and try to avoid making mistakes! ;-P |
| 23:30 | [k3rn3l] | so... myy problem it to select the technologie / framwork / somethng else that best suites my needs!! |
| 23:30 | SelfishMan | When people ask what I do my general answer is that I fix people's problems. I've actually spent a few years managing bars and restaurants because I was bored and it was something new |
| 23:30 | [k3rn3l] | that's a big jump hehe |
| 23:31 | i have once head that software helps fixing the problems that software creates! | |
| 23:38 | well, i'm leaving | |
| 23:38 | take care | |
| 23:38 | keep up the good work... just added koha to my favoutite channels lol | |
| 02:58 | Gnewt | SelfishMan_, yep, I'm the Gnewt from #linode :) |
| 03:00 | SelfishMan_ | Thought so |
| 03:00 | Are you running koha on a Linode? | |
| 03:02 | Gnewt | Nope, on a server at Hackerbot Labs |
| 03:02 | For the HBL library | |
| 03:02 | SelfishMan_ | ah |
| 03:02 | Gnewt | It's a hackerspace in Seattle |
| 03:02 | we have a lot of books we need to keep track of | |
| 03:03 | So I volunteered and then found Koha :D | |
| 03:04 | SelfishMan_ | That's awesome |
| 03:05 | Gnewt | :) |
| 03:06 | It's not done yet, I have it installed but we're not actively using it... we need to get the new barcode scanner first. | |
| 03:06 | http://www.hackerbotlabs.com | |
| 03:06 | Doesn't get updated much, it's new, but that's our blog. | |
| 03:06 | I did the post about the laser box | |
| 03:22 | Amit | hi mason, chris, brendan |
| 03:22 | brendan | heya amit |
| 03:22 | Amit | chris: what about first test match between NZ vs India |
| 03:22 | r u watching match brendan | |
| 03:22 | First test | |
| 03:43 | brendan | ok -- will turn it on.. Thanks amit |
| 03:44 | chris | vettori is 2 runs away from his century |
| 03:44 | indian started very well, but nz are slowly clawing their way back | |
| 03:44 | 1 run now | |
| 03:45 | mason | ohhh, you boys.. .. |
| 03:45 | Amit | good |
| 03:45 | but NZ 60/6 | |
| 03:45 | good recovery | |
| 03:46 | hi mason | |
| 03:46 | chris | yep, 213/6 now .. still you shouldnt leave it to your number 8 batsman to score all the runs :) |
| 03:46 | Amit | hmm |
| 03:47 | good partnership between vettori & Ryder | |
| 03:47 | now india to break this partnership | |
| 04:04 | this is highest 7th wicket partnership against india | |
| 04:04 | chris ;) | |
| 04:06 | brendan | chris what is the 213/6 |
| 04:07 | chris | its now 237/6 6 people out, for 237 runs scored |
| 04:07 | brendan | ahh.. thanks |
| 04:08 | Amit | 213 Runs |
| 04:08 | 6 wicket | |
| 04:27 | richard | gah, forget the cricket was on |
| 04:28 | Amit | hi richard |
| 04:31 | richard | hi Amit |
| 04:47 | si | ohh man, there's a test on, and I'm in san francisco |
| 04:47 | there's no justice | |
| 04:49 | otoh, the kiwis aren't doing so well | |
| 04:50 | Amit | hi si |
| 04:52 | si | hi amit |
| 05:08 | brendan | hi si |
| 05:10 | si | hi brendan |
| 05:10 | hows the cricket education going? | |
| 05:11 | brendan | coming along nicely... |
| 05:11 | so in San fran... not to far away | |
| 05:11 | I'm down the coast from you | |
| 05:11 | si | ohh really? |
| 05:11 | whereabouts? | |
| 05:11 | brendan | yup in Santa Barbara |
| 05:12 | about 300 miles (US) south | |
| 05:21 | Amit | chris NZ all out 279 |
| 05:21 | brendan | si if you like beer, try different kinds of rogue -- there is a brew pub in downtown san fran... http://www.rogue.com/ |
| 05:30 | si | brendan: sadly, I'm only in town for two days before fling backhome |
| 05:30 | and mos of that time will be spent in colo rooms in south sanfrancisco and paloalto | |
| 06:51 | brendan | good night all -- |
| 06:56 | ryan_ | bad for my beer belly :/ |
| 06:58 | brendan | ryan_ I'm a big fan of there beer - i used to live near there newport OR brewhouse |
| 07:02 | ryan_ | brendan: yeah, lots of good brewpubs here in portland. rogue and deschuttes are my favorites. |
| 07:05 | chris | you are in portland ryan_ ???? |
| 07:07 | ryan_ | chris: yeah, made the move about 4 weeks ago now. |
| 07:08 | chris | nice |
| 07:09 | have you been for a drive along the coast? | |
| 07:12 | watch out for the goonies near astoria :) | |
| 07:13 | ryan_ | heh -- no, i haven't gotten a car yet. I did enroll in the local car sharing program, and took my first 'zipcar' out earlier today. |
| 07:14 | pretty cool, really. thus far i've gotten around quite well without a car. | |
| 07:17 | chris | nice, yeah ive heard portland has good public transport |
| 07:31 | ryan_ | it's excellent, actually. the streetcars are all free in the downtown area, which is darn convenient. |
| 07:31 | chris | ohh that is cool, i hadnt realised that |
| 08:32 | fredericd | hi |
| 08:32 | chris | hi fredericd |
| 08:32 | fredericd | hello chris |
| 08:32 | time to sleep? | |
| 08:33 | chris | in an hour or 2 yep |
| 10:44 | Amit | hi kf |
| 10:45 | kf | hi Amit |
| 10:53 | ron | chris: sorry mate, I've lost the URL to the deb wiki page. do you have it handy? |
| 10:53 | hdl_laptop | hi kf |
| 10:54 | ron | chris: argh. found it. |
| 10:55 | kf | hi hdl |
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