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|---|---|---|
| 12:44 | nicomo | owen: i did an english version of our original, french blog post about sopac and koha |
| 12:44 | http://www.biblibre.com/node/122 | |
| 12:46 | owen | Thanks nicomo |
| 13:04 | paul_p | hello owen |
| 13:04 | good morning | |
| 13:07 | owen | Hi paul_p |
| 14:42 | kados around? | |
| 14:48 | liz_nekls | owen: i'm looking at your upcoming titles page, but I swear you had a blog post about how you did it somewhere... but I can't find it for the life of me. Do you have a link to it? |
| 14:48 | and if you do, may I have it >.> | |
| 14:48 | owen | Yeah, that article was posted before I set up the blog. |
| 14:49 | Hmm... and I may need to repost it. It's not coming up now. | |
| 14:49 | liz_nekls | erf, sorry to bring it up |
| 14:50 | owen | No, I should certainly know if it's gone missing! |
| 14:51 | liz_nekls | i think I found the blog where it's *supposed* to be |
| 14:51 | http://www.myacpl.org/koha/ ? | |
| 14:53 | owen | Yeah, I'll re-post it there shortly. |
| 14:56 | liz_nekls | k, no hurry. Thanks. :) |
| 15:24 | slef | owen: I think that was a bit of a hasty INVALID there. |
| 15:24 | owen | Oh, sorry! |
| 15:24 | What'd I miss? | |
| 15:24 | slef | some users, not all users |
| 15:25 | owen | Ah! |
| 15:25 | I hope you'll revise the bug and explain my mistake. | |
| 15:25 | slef | reopened with question, yep |
| 15:25 | owen | (or I can) |
| 15:27 | slef | in other news, I've got one koha that updates its zebra if you do a full rebuild_zebra but not if you run it with -z... still trying to nail that one down, but has anyone seen a similar problem |
| 15:27 | liz_nekls | bless you good sir (owen)) |
| 15:27 | slef | it appears to be localised to one system - not reproducible on our test servers |
| 15:29 | updated the bug subject to make it clearer | |
| 15:29 | kohabug 3032 if anyone cares | |
| 15:53 | Is anyone running rebuild_zebra from launchd and if so, can I see your plist? Mine appears incorrect. | |
| 16:02 | paul_p | slef : beeping khatar. He could answer your question about mac OS |
| 16:02 | (he's not on the channel, should arrive soon) | |
| 16:02 | slef | thanks! |
| 16:07 | mc | slef, i read and put my plist in the web in few minutes |
| 16:08 | slef | mc, thanks |
| 16:11 | mc | it was already online in fact: http://mc.koha-fr.org/mac/ports/ |
| 16:12 | slef, note that i use macports so you have to fix the perl path | |
| 16:13 | slef | I think it may be a perl path problem that I have |
| 16:13 | arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh | |
| 16:14 | mc | :) |
| 16:14 | slef | mine's using apple perl |
| 16:14 | no, it is using apple perl | |
| 16:16 | mc | i had some hard time with launchd :) |
| 16:16 | slef | both launchd and koha's zebra configs bite me every update |
| 16:17 | (my zebra modules are in /sw not /usr) | |
| 16:19 | mc | same pb with macports and /opt/local |
| 16:26 | fredericd | hello |
| 16:26 | wiki.koha.org is down | |
| 16:40 | owen | Hmm... not working for me either |
| 17:39 | schuster | Galen, how long do I need to wait for the records to show up? |
| 17:40 | gmcharlt | schuster: about another 10 minutes or so with ~7000 records |
| 17:40 | schuster | ok just trying to figure out when I need to panic! |
| 18:00 | Galen, hmmm problem? ISBN - 038590890 - didn't match the existing record in production. | |
| 18:01 | gmcharlt | schuster: ok, indexing done |
| 18:24 | pianohacker | kados: around? |
| 18:35 | chris | hmmmm |
| 18:35 | wiki still down for others? | |
| 18:35 | gmcharlt | sorry, yes |
| 18:35 | cfouts is working on it | |
| 18:36 | chris | sweet |
| 18:36 | valczir | so ... what happened to wiki.koha.org? |
| 18:37 | gmcharlt | PHP library config glitch on the server hosting it |
| 18:37 | valczir | woohoo? |
| 19:01 | kados | wiki.koha.org should be back up, but if you're using firefox it may be cacheing it as down and you may need to restart |
| 19:02 | chris | ta |
| 19:02 | kados | also, we're going to be moving it to another server shortly, so stay tuned for that, we'll announce it on-list beforehand |
| 19:03 | chris | sweet |
| 19:17 | schuster | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2009 |
| 19:17 | Still doing strange things... | |
| 19:19 | owen | schuster: try adding a made-up parameter to force your browser to grab a new version: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]09&something=blue |
| 19:22 | schuster | Great thanks that worked! |
| 19:24 | chris | schuster: im working on that page right now :) |
| 19:25 | schuster | Thanks Chris... I'll try and get some more information about "things to do" in the next couple of days. |
| 19:28 | chris | cool |
| 19:35 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ngs_to_see_and_do | |
| 23:18 | pianohacker | night all |
| 01:12 | ron | What is Koha's auth backend? Can it plug into LDAP? |
| 01:13 | chris | its backened with encrypted passwords stored in the db by default, but yes it can use LDAP too |
| 01:16 | ron | awesome |
| 01:16 | via PAM? | |
| 01:16 | chris | lots of places dont use LDAP (most public libraries) |
| 01:16 | naw, just talks directly to the ldap server | |
| 01:16 | ron | yeah, it makes sense that it defaults to using its own db |
| 01:16 | very slick that it *can* use LDAP | |
| 01:17 | my target environment is running openldap on ubuntu 8.04 | |
| 01:17 | chris | its a little bit mickey moose, you have to jump through a few hoops to get it going, but its getting better all the time, but once its going its sweet |
| 01:17 | hmm too many buts in that sentence | |
| 01:17 | ron | there's a howto somewhere covering this? |
| 01:17 | chris | yep on the wiki |
| 01:18 | ron | beaut. |
| 01:18 | That leaves me with one final hurdle; waiting for a response from the deb packager | |
| 01:18 | chris | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]:development:ldap |
| 01:18 | from the wonderful atz | |
| 01:19 | ron | :) |
| 01:19 | it's great to see how comprehensive the wiki/doco is for koha | |
| 01:20 | but hardly surprising, I guess, considering the audience. ;-) | |
| 01:20 | chris | :) |
| 01:20 | if i had time id do a new FAQ | |
| 01:21 | there are lot of questions that get asked on the mailing list | |
| 01:21 | ron | yep |
| 01:21 | presumably repeated qns | |
| 01:21 | chris | that have been answered lots of times, having a faq to point them to would be handy |
| 01:21 | ron | but dammit, I wants my deb pkg. :) |
| 01:22 | would the devs likely accept any patches required for such a deb pkg? | |
| 01:22 | chris | :) |
| 01:22 | definitely | |
| 01:23 | the nice thing is, vincent has managed to get all the dependencies packaged | |
| 01:23 | ron | cool |
| 01:23 | just wich he'd respond to my email | |
| 01:23 | ;-) | |
| 01:23 | s/wich/wish | |
| 01:23 | chris | so even without a koha package, you can apt-get all the dependencies, then perl Makefile.PL; make; make install |
| 01:23 | ron | oh, ok |
| 01:24 | chris | and run the web installer |
| 01:24 | ron | hmm |
| 01:26 | howdy twb | |
| 01:26 | twb | ron: hi. |
| 01:27 | <chris> so even without a koha package, you can apt-get all the dependencies, then perl Makefile.PL; make; make install | |
| 01:27 | chris | yep |
| 01:27 | twb | ...the documentation I saw indicated that a number of perl libraries were not new enough in apt, and had to be updated via cpan. |
| 01:27 | ron | chris: twb is working with me on this project |
| 01:27 | twb | Is that documentation out of date? |
| 01:27 | chris | yep |
| 01:27 | twb | An important datapoint is that the target environment is Ubuntu 8.04, so package versions will not be as new as Squeeze or Sid. |
| 01:29 | chris | http://twitter.com/mjray/status/1315937758 |
| 01:29 | yeah they are pretty much all in lenny | |
| 01:30 | that documentation was for etch | |
| 01:30 | twb | OK, cool. |
| 01:31 | chris | dh-make-perl is your friend if there are any that arent in hardy (or cant be installed from lenny) |
| 01:32 | richard | hi all |
| 01:32 | chris | heya richard :) |
| 01:33 | twb | chris: yeah, I just want to avoid local packaging where it's not necessary (because then you need to maintain those packages). |
| 01:34 | So having official .debs for all the dependencies is a Good Thing. | |
| 01:34 | chris | yep |
| 02:43 | schuster | Galen - have you had a chance to load the overdues on Plano production? |
| 02:45 | chris | drive by |
| 03:23 | ron | yow. blink and you miss him |
| 03:32 | chris: only just now saw the link you pasted re mjray's deb efforts | |
| 03:33 | chris | yeah you have been able to do it for a little while i think its the first time he has done an install with only debs |
| 03:33 | ron | righto |
| 03:33 | he gives no details though | |
| 03:33 | I did get an email from his yesterday, he is interested in getting involved in my request for debs | |
| 03:34 | twb | AFAICT Twitter is blogging for people with ADHD. |
| 03:34 | chris | pretty much follow the INSTALL.debian file |
| 03:34 | ron | twb: hahaha |
| 03:34 | chris | but where it says cpan, get it from a .deb instead |
| 03:34 | twb | chris: is that INSTALL.debian under version control? If so, which VC? |
| 03:35 | *VCS | |
| 03:35 | chris | yep git |
| 03:35 | same as the rest of koha | |
| 03:38 | twb | OK, I'll git-format-email the differences if I end up doing a deployment for Ubuntu 8.04 |
| 03:39 | ron | twb: it looks like you will be ;-) |
| 03:39 | chris | be good to do an INSTALL.ubuntu-hardy |
| 03:40 | we have .opensuse and .fedora7 | |
| 03:41 | twb | Righto |
| 03:45 | chris | actually i think there is an ubuntu one on the wiki |
| 03:49 | ahh its for intrepid | |
| 03:50 | http://www.blazingmoon.org/gui[…]k3-on-u810-1.html | |
| 03:50 | wow,thats doing it the hard way | |
| 03:51 | i just run perl Makefile.PL | |
| 03:51 | and apt-get all the modules it tells me are missing ;) | |
| 03:56 | Amit | hi koha good mrng |
| 03:56 | hi chris, mason | |
| 03:57 | chris | hi amit |
| 03:58 | twb | chris: btw, why don't you use Freenode or OFTC? |
| 03:59 | chris | irc.katipo.co.nz /irc.citylink.co.nz predates both of them :) |
| 03:59 | and katipo use it for their own stuff, as do hlt | |
| 04:00 | we had a bot that mirrored to freenode | |
| 04:04 | twb | Bleh, those mess up tab completion |
| 04:05 | chris | yeah |
| 04:29 | brendan | heya all |
| 04:37 | Amit | hi brendan |
| 04:37 | brendan | good evening Amit |
| 04:37 | Amit | good morning brendan |
| 05:33 | twb | chris: which version should I deploy on Ubuntu 8.04? The 3.0.1 tarball? |
| 05:33 | chris | yep |
| 05:33 | thats the most recent stable | |
| 05:34 | twb | Righto. |
| 05:34 | (Some projects say stuff like "oh noooooo, our stable is only for crazy people, use trunk".) | |
| 05:34 | (Usually AFTER I've spent two days trying to deploy it.) | |
| 05:34 | chris | yeah but if they say trunk, they are using svn, so i wouldnt trust a word they say |
| 05:34 | ron | but you enjoy it, admit it |
| 05:35 | chris | :) |
| 05:36 | master probably works fine, but its a moving target, if you are going to run it in a production environment stable is a much safer bet | |
| 05:37 | you guys going to kohacon? :-) | |
| 05:38 | ron | mate, we only just heard of koha a couple of days ago |
| 05:38 | ;-) | |
| 05:38 | s/we/*I*/ | |
| 05:39 | chris | where have you been?? *grin* |
| 05:39 | ron | not spending my days in a library, that much is fer sure |
| 05:39 | ;-) | |
| 05:40 | chris | are you allowed to say what library its for? |
| 05:40 | ron | a prison |
| 05:40 | sorry, 'correctioanl facility' | |
| 05:41 | chris | ahh righto |
| 05:41 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]kohausers#oceania | |
| 05:41 | ron | wowzers |
| 05:42 | chris | theres bound to be more, those are just the ones who have listed themselves |
| 05:42 | twb | Heh, I first parsed as "Kohausers", some kind of Germanic thing. |
| 05:42 | chris | heh |
| 05:43 | ron | I used to work with a Kohlhousen |
| 05:43 | meh, not as similar as I first thought. never mind | |
| 05:43 | twb | chris: re use of "trunk", I was speaking generally -- they might call it 1.0.rc4 or HEAD^ or whatever. |
| 05:43 | chris | yeah i was just using that as an opportunity to express my hatred of svn :) |
| 05:44 | ron | uh oh. another cvs war. |
| 05:44 | chris | i dont think i could ever go back to a centralised system after using a distributed one |
| 05:45 | ron | hmm... no prisons listed (yet) |
| 05:45 | chris | nope, would be a first |
| 05:45 | ron | posisbly |
| 05:45 | chris | well first listed :) |
| 05:45 | twb | Speaking as Debian's Darcs maintainer, I'm not particularly impressed by git, either ;-) |
| 05:46 | chris | i dont mind darcs |
| 05:46 | id take git or darcs over svn any day | |
| 05:46 | twb | Given you have 56MB tarballs, darcs would probably be too slow, though |
| 05:46 | chris | id even go to bzr |
| 05:46 | yeah, theres a bunch of .po files in there | |
| 05:47 | and images | |
| 05:47 | twb | Bah, no SVGs? |
| 05:48 | Then you use rsvg-convert or similar in Makefile.PL to generate .png | |
| 05:49 | chris | there is 60 meg of .po files alone |
| 05:50 | twb | chris: that's pretty impressive |
| 05:50 | You should get a 60% to 80% compression of .po with lempel-ziv, though. | |
| 05:50 | chris | http://translate.koha.org/projects/opac3_0/ |
| 05:51 | twb | Looks like most of the space is koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog |
| 05:51 | chris | yep |
| 05:51 | we have plans for that too | |
| 05:51 | certainly in the debs, each language will be a sep package | |
| 05:52 | like ooffice etc do | |
| 05:52 | twb | Is there an ITP for Koha yet? |
| 05:53 | Sorry, I should ask first if you're familiar / involved in the Debian infrastructure at all. | |
| 05:53 | chris | yep |
| 05:53 | we have 3 dd's at my work | |
| 05:53 | there has been an itp for a long time | |
| 05:53 | twb | Do you know Chris Double, too? |
| 05:54 | chris | nope |
| 05:54 | twb | ISTR he's in .nz somewhere... |
| 05:54 | chris | andrew mcmillan, francios marier |
| 05:55 | are the 2 on my floor | |
| 05:56 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin[…]rt.cgi?bug=186958 the old one | |
| 05:57 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin[…]rt.cgi?bug=389876 and the newer one | |
| 06:02 | twb | Hmm, there's already a debian/ |
| 06:03 | chris | oh yeah that was me playing around |
| 06:03 | ignore that | |
| 06:03 | twb | Righto |
| 06:04 | FYI, you're not supposed to ship debian/ in tarballs of non-native packages. | |
| 06:04 | chris | http://git.debian.org/?p=colla[…]oha.git;a=summary |
| 06:04 | yeah, it shouldnt have been pulled across into the 3.0.x branch | |
| 06:37 | brendan | Goodnight! |
| 07:33 | Elwell | morning all. |
| 07:39 | chris | Hi Elwell |
| 08:04 | hi nicomo | |
| 08:04 | nicomo | hi chris |
| 08:15 | chris | hi js and Kivutar |
| 08:15 | Kivutar | hello |
| 08:16 | js | hello too |
| 08:27 | chris | so i had landais roll thing at the french bakery for lunch today |
| 08:28 | landais .. is that right? | |
| 08:28 | nicomo | chris: I'm not quite sure what a "landais" is |
| 08:29 | chris | it was a smoked chicken and sun dried tomato and some lettuce and mayonaisse in a roll |
| 08:30 | then i had an eclair | |
| 08:30 | nicomo | well : fancy name and all, but not french |
| 08:30 | chris | heh yeah |
| 08:30 | nicomo | ah éclair : that's french all right |
| 08:30 | chris | www.simplyparis.co.nz |
| 08:30 | maybe its some weird parisian thing :-) | |
| 08:31 | nicomo | heh maybe |
| 08:31 | but the menu looks genuinely french though | |
| 08:31 | âMorteauâ? Sausage | |
| 08:31 | i had one of those yesterday | |
| 08:32 | chris | :) |
| 08:32 | its a nice place, friendly staff | |
| 08:32 | and fresh and good food | |
| 08:32 | nicomo | and ugly web site |
| 08:32 | chris | yes, horrible |
| 08:33 | pdf for menu .. whats up with that | |
| 08:35 | nicomo | maybe you could do something a bit nicer for them in exchange for 1 yr free meals ;-) |
| 08:36 | chris | ohh good idea |
| 08:39 | hows the zebra traing going nahuel ? | |
| 08:39 | Kivutar | "order your gallette des rois" :D |
| 08:39 | nicomo | yeah Kivutar saw that one |
| 08:39 | :-) | |
| 08:40 | nahuel | chris, hi, fine |
| 08:40 | chris, just beginning the day | |
| 08:41 | chris | *nod* |
| 08:58 | slef | Here's my current pain http://www.news.software.coop/[…]kage-problem/602/ |
| 09:02 | chris | ouch |
| 09:02 | havent seen that before | |
| 09:10 | for i in `dpkg -l` do apt-get reinstall $i | |
| 09:10 | :) | |
| 09:12 | im assuming the server doesnt have an ILOM eh slef? | |
| 09:16 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 09:16 | chris | hi kf, get stuck in construction this morning? |
| 09:17 | kf | yes |
| 09:18 | slef | ILOM? |
| 09:18 | kf | undercrossing (?) was closed |
| 09:19 | was already late... murphy's law | |
| 09:20 | slef | kf: undercrossing = subway? underpass? |
| 09:21 | chris | integrated lights out manager .. fancy way of saying serial access to the server :) |
| 09:21 | kf | train rails |
| 09:21 | chris | well its a bit more than that, more like a remote kvm |
| 09:22 | kf | had to look it up... german word would be 'unterführung' |
| 09:22 | slef | kf: oh. I think it's something like a "flying crossing" (instead of a level crossing) |
| 09:22 | kf | its under the rauls |
| 09:22 | rails | |
| 09:22 | slef | you on rails? |
| 09:23 | chris: kvmip or remote console | |
| 09:23 | chris | yeah like that, with a bunch of monitoring and remote power control and stuff as well |
| 09:23 | incredibly handy things | |
| 09:24 | kf | marc21 training bbl |
| 09:24 | chris | ohh poor you kf |
| 09:25 | kf | wish me luck ;) |
| 09:25 | chris | good luck, take lots of chocolate :) |
| 09:26 | Amit | hi kf |
| 09:36 | slef | well, someone fixed the perl problem already |
| 09:36 | I didn't spot the installation in /usr/local | |
| 09:36 | I wonder who did that :-/ | |
| 09:37 | chris | someone overzealous with cpan? |
| 09:42 | slef | will it work? $DEITY knows |
| 09:49 | anasha | chris are u arround? |
| 09:49 | chris | yep |
| 09:49 | for about 10 more minutes | |
| 09:50 | anasha | i v sent mail at approvalskoha.org but no reply |
| 09:51 | chris | i dont actually know who gets that mail unfortunately |
| 09:51 | anasha | ooh |
| 09:51 | chris | not me :) |
| 09:52 | anasha | ;) |
| 09:52 | i asked just incase you guys who handle these metter | |
| 09:53 | slef | I thought that was going to chris :-/ |
| 09:53 | chris | nope, not to me, or if its supposed to, its busted |
| 09:54 | slef | want to mail or shall I? |
| 09:54 | (I'd prefer you did... I have an email axe grinding) | |
| 09:55 | chris | ill drop a mail now |
| 09:55 | anasha | ok |
| 09:58 | we have first OLPC meet in mumbai tomorrow | |
| 09:58 | chris | awesome |
| 09:58 | i work with martin langhoff | |
| 09:58 | who works on sugar for OLPC | |
| 09:59 | slef | chris: I have one of your favourites on the radio here |
| 09:59 | I think you call them asshats | |
| 09:59 | chris | arsehats :) |
| 10:00 | slef | "Let me ask everyone who's called up today who is against torture but isn't in favour of terrorism: if it was their children or their families... <CLICK of radio being shut off>" |
| 10:00 | chris | ahh yep, best thing you could do |
| 10:01 | anasha | chris: u are also involve with OLPC |
| 10:01 | chris | only as a tester, not like martin |
| 10:01 | anasha | so u work sugar? |
| 10:01 | ok | |
| 10:01 | chris | nope, i just attend testing sessions occasionally |
| 10:02 | there are 113 of us at my work, we work on a wide range of things :) | |
| 10:02 | anasha | here it is taking a lift now |
| 10:03 | chris | http://www.olpcnews.com/hardwa[…]ghoff_brin_1.html <-- martin |
| 10:03 | douglas bagnall who worked on koha in the early days, did some work on the school server too | |
| 10:03 | its a small world :) | |
| 10:04 | anasha | very small |
| 10:10 | chris | ok, time for sleep for me |
| 10:11 | anasha | chris: good night |
| 10:16 | imp | is it possible to enter hebrew in the right way into koha? (does it just depend on the users browser) |
| 10:36 | slef | depends more on browser, I suspect |
| 10:37 | is hebrew right-to-left? |
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