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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:54 | owen | Hi #koha. Looking at Bug 2434, http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2434 |
| 12:54 | Is RSS notification also not working? | |
| 13:12 | gmcharlt, maybe you know this | |
| 13:13 | ...Looking at Bug 2434, http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2434 | |
| 13:13 | Is RSS notification also not working? | |
| 13:13 | gmcharlt | RSS for notifications hasn't been implemented yet |
| 13:14 | owen | So hiding that column in the template would be a sensible thing to do |
| 13:14 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 13:27 | owen | gmcharlt, do you have time for a question about holds? |
| 13:27 | gmcharlt | sure |
| 13:28 | owen | At NPL we've been running into a problem since our switch to 3.0. One branch will check in an item and find a hold for a patron. They'll flag it with a hold slip and send it to its destination branch |
| 13:28 | When the destination branch receives it, they check it in and the hold message that pops up has another patron's info | |
| 13:29 | One obvious explanation is that the first branch didn't confirm the hold, I suppose | |
| 13:30 | I guess I'm concerned that the holds queue process is doing something weird here | |
| 13:30 | gmcharlt | what's the exact version you're running? |
| 13:32 | owen | "About Koha" reports 3.01.00.009 |
| 13:33 | Hi kados | |
| 13:33 | kados | g'morning all |
| 13:35 | gmcharlt | it did |
| 13:35 | owen: can you test to see if it makes a difference whether the holds are confirmed or not? | |
| 13:39 | owen | Yeah. I've only gotten sporadic reports, so I'll have to ask folks to be more vigilant. |
| 13:39 | What were the Geauga holds improvements? | |
| 13:40 | kados | owen: in a phrase: multi-location hold targeting ;-) ... the previous NPL script only targeted one item per title even if there were multiple holds on a given title |
| 13:40 | gmcharlt | i.e., the current holds queue process |
| 13:41 | owen | Oh, right. Okay |
| 14:24 | pianohacker | hola gmcharlt |
| 14:25 | gmcharlt | hi pianohacker |
| 16:37 | owen | Hi liz_nekls |
| 18:48 | imp | Warning: prerequisite GD 2.39 not found. We have 2.35. |
| 18:48 | so i have to use 2.1 from their cvs? | |
| 18:48 | (there is no gd 2.0.39 release on libgd.org) | |
| 18:50 | owen | What about this? http://search.cpan.org/dist/GD/ |
| 18:50 | imp | owen: ah, thx :) |
| 19:28 | pianohacker | Is there anyone around who is familiar with the logic behind marc_subfield_structure.hidden? I see some patterns in how it can be interpreted, but building it automatically from a given set of constraints (visibility in opac, staff and editor and collapsed when empty) seems like it would require a hashref |
| 19:31 | gmcharlt | I believe it was intended to act as a (signed) bitmask |
| 19:44 | how's that cloning coming along, paul? | |
| 19:44 | paul_p2 | hi gmcharlt |
| 19:44 | coming from some tests on my home connexion | |
| 19:44 | (trying to have "CPL" working) | |
| 19:44 | owen | Cloning is all well and good, but you still have to feed and clothe the clones. |
| 19:45 | paul_p2 | (dunno the french term ;-) ) |
| 19:47 | paul_p | clone 2 goes to limbo... |
| 20:08 | chris | morning |
| 20:10 | owen | Hi chris |
| 20:27 | slef | Hi all. Anyone know what a zebrasrv exit code of 10 means? |
| 20:28 | (it's not in the man page) | |
| 20:28 | chris | not me |
| 20:30 | slef | very strange. Nothing in the error log either. |
| 20:31 | Is the irc log searching webpage working for anyone else? | |
| 20:32 | owen | It's working for me slef |
| 20:33 | slef | is for me now... strange |
| 20:33 | thanks owen | |
| 21:25 | pianohacker | 'allo chris. Do you know anything about marc_sub_struct.hidden ? |
| 22:27 | ron | Mornin'. Is there someone here with whom I can discuss commercial (ie; paid) support for Koha? |
| 22:29 | atz | ron: the place to start is http://koha.org/support/pay.html |
| 22:29 | ron | atz: uh, yeah. heh |
| 22:29 | atz | and the vendors tend to be pretty cool about not out-pitching each other here on channel |
| 22:30 | ron | yep |
| 22:30 | :) | |
| 22:30 | what I was hoping for is someone who would maintain debs for ubuntu | |
| 22:31 | presumably this has been raised a number of times previously? | |
| 22:31 | atz | ron: actually, that's the first i've heard of somebody willing to pay to make it happen |
| 22:31 | ron | oh... startegicdata.com.au. heh, I know those guys |
| 22:32 | atz | vincent danjean was working on a debian package |
| 22:32 | ron | atxmate, I've got a government client who's willing to pay for it |
| 22:32 | er... atx: mate... | |
| 22:32 | bleh. fat fingers | |
| 22:32 | atz | haven't heard from vincent in months though |
| 22:32 | i'm sure it would make a lot of ppl happy though! | |
| 22:33 | pianohacker | The open source world needs something like a code-debt collections agency |
| 22:34 | Track down lazy contributors and break a few fingers | |
| 22:34 | atz | ron: that's actually a great idea to make Koha *very readily* adoptable |
| 22:39 | pianohacker | Are there any other webapp packages out there for ubuntu whose installation package we could emulate? |
| 22:39 | atz | ubuntu can install debian debs right? |
| 22:39 | or does it need something special to do that? | |
| 22:40 | ron | atz: sorry, was on the phone with strategicdata |
| 22:40 | ok, ubuntu installs debs, although I don't know if it is happy with *debian* debs | |
| 22:41 | if you guys would deb this (for ubuntu, especially) then yes you'd increase the uptake | |
| 22:42 | we've installed a couple of servers and a bunch of desktops (all running linux) in a gov't facility. they want koha, but we need to be able to provide security updates etc. the rest of the environment is all managed by apt-get/dpkg/etc. My strong preference is to not break this discipline | |
| 22:44 | hmm... phone again | |
| 23:16 | bob | hi all |
| 23:16 | is there a koha.deb type package being developed? | |
| 23:17 | one where all the dependencies are included? | |
| 23:22 | ron | heh. this is what we were just now discussing |
| 23:22 | bob: what's your interest? | |
| 23:23 | oh | |
| 23:23 | of course | |
| 23:23 | bob, @katipo | |
| 23:23 | bob | hi |
| 23:23 | ron | howdy |
| 23:23 | I beat you to the punch, it seems. :) | |
| 23:24 | bob | i think i read on lists that there was talk of having a all encompasing .deb package |
| 23:24 | ron | bob: I wonder if it is necessary to make an Ubuntu-specific package, or if a Debian package would suffice |
| 23:24 | bob | and was wondering how advanced along the idea was |
| 23:24 | ron | yeah, someone said earlier that it has been looked into previously. |
| 23:24 | hang on, chking log | |
| 23:24 | 09:32 < atz> vincent danjean was working on a debian package | |
| 23:25 | there you go | |
| 23:25 | bob | cool |
| 23:26 | so you'd be perfering a ubuntu-centric one right? | |
| 23:26 | chris | i wouldnt |
| 23:26 | bob | hi chris |
| 23:26 | ron | not necessarily |
| 23:27 | just one that works on 8.04 LTS | |
| 23:27 | chris | plus ubuntu is debian, with non-free stuff added to |
| 23:27 | ron | actually, I'd prefer tahth it was more generic |
| 23:27 | more generic = more uptake, more support, etc | |
| 23:28 | chris | if you put it in debian, it will end up in ubuntu, plus vincent danjeans is a debian developer |
| 23:28 | ron | ahh, neat |
| 23:28 | chris | so it would actually make it into the distro |
| 23:28 | bob | sweet |
| 23:29 | pianohacker | brb, remodeling |
| 23:29 | chris | id recommend getting in touch with him and asking him what he needs to finish it off |
| 23:29 | bob | chris: any idea how far along vincent is with the koha .deb package? |
| 23:29 | good idea | |
| 23:30 | ron | was he doing it for a client, or for the community? |
| 23:31 | either way, we're quite willing to pay for his efforts - especially if he can get it into the deb repos | |
| 23:31 | chris | for the community |
| 23:31 | http://git.debian.org/?p=colla[…]oha.git;a=summary | |
| 23:31 | is his repo, drop him a line :) | |
| 23:31 | his email address will be in the koha archives somewhere | |
| 23:31 | ron | will do. thx |
| 23:35 | imp | is it possible to use koha without apache? (something like lighttpd) |
| 23:35 | chris | yes |
| 23:35 | or nginx | |
| 23:35 | or IIS if you are a nutjob :) | |
| 23:36 | imp | what's about monkeyd? |
| 23:36 | chris | there is currently nothing apache specific with koha, just that the installer will make a config file for you that works with apache |
| 23:37 | if your webserver can run cgi's you can use it with koha | |
| 23:38 | ron | can Koha import data from a csv file? |
| 23:38 | chris | what sort of data? |
| 23:38 | ron | catalogue |
| 23:38 | chris | nope |
| 23:38 | ron | bugga |
| 23:38 | chris | it can import borrower data tho |
| 23:39 | marcedit is your friend ron | |
| 23:39 | to convert csv to marc, then koha can import the mar | |
| 23:39 | c | |
| 23:39 | i think krishnan did a good tutorial let me look | |
| 23:40 | ron | found a video |
| 23:40 | http://oregonstate.edu/~reeset[…]it/html/index.php | |
| 23:42 | chris | ah no it was another of the Indian developers |
| 23:42 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ha_using_marcedit | |
| 00:16 | Jo | Si : are you about |
| 00:16 | slef | if a non-maintainer wants to make a koha.deb, I'm a debian developer so could sponsor the upload if vincent doesn't |
| 00:17 | I just have no-one willing to pay me to make it happen and a life full of paid work. | |
| 00:19 | chris | there ya go, another option ron :) |
| 00:19 | there are also a couple of dd's at my work .. so i think the sticking point is getting the packages built | |
| 00:20 | slef | there's no webapp policy - there's an old discussion after I asked how to do it on debian-perl, but it'll be a bit off into the unknown |
| 00:21 | chris | *nod* |
| 00:21 | i built a package from vincents repo, and it mostly worked | |
| 00:21 | i think it just needs that last 20% that takes 80% of the time | |
| 00:21 | :) | |
| 00:25 | ron | slef: howdy |
| 00:36 | slef | ron: hello. I'm asleep at the console. |
| 00:37 | ron | slef: seems I am too |
| 00:37 | ;-) | |
| 00:37 | not ath I've got any excuse, at 11:30am. heh | |
| 00:37 | s/ath/that/ | |
| 00:37 | slef: do you have a background in managing debs in the longer term? | |
| 00:39 | slef | ron: I've been a DD for a few years and a debian sysadmin for longer, if that's what you mean. |
| 00:40 | ron | ok |
| 00:41 | slef: I'll fill you in via email | |
| 00:44 | slef | ok. night all |
| 00:45 | ron | ciao |
| 03:14 | Amit | hi koha |
| 03:14 | hi mason, si | |
| 03:14 | mason | heya amit |
| 03:14 | Amit | india win |
| 03:15 | mason | i hope your birthday and holiday was nice :) |
| 03:15 | Amit | yes |
| 03:15 | yesterday is holi | |
| 03:15 | in india | |
| 03:15 | mason | india are too good at cricket, for NZ |
| 03:16 | Amit | yes |
| 03:16 | have u seen sehwag batting | |
| 03:16 | mason | no, but i have heard a discussion from NZ cricket team captain |
| 03:17 | Amit | he is the cracking |
| 03:17 | mason | he says 'indian team are too strong for us' |
| 03:17 | Amit | yes |
| 03:17 | mason | sewag hit many 6's ? |
| 03:17 | Amit | this is the first series india win in NZ |
| 03:18 | mason | aah, i did not know |
| 03:18 | Amit | after 33 year |
| 03:18 | mason | how many times have india played in NZ? |
| 03:19 | Amit | 5 times ODI series |
| 03:19 | 3 NZ win 2 draw | |
| 03:19 | this is first time india win series in NZ | |
| 03:19 | si? | |
| 03:20 | hi chris | |
| 03:20 | chris | hi amit |
| 03:21 | Amit | what about sehwag batting chris |
| 03:23 | chris | he is batting very well, but we are also making it very easy for him |
| 03:24 | mason | heh |
| 03:24 | chris | the pitches are too good for batsmen |
| 03:24 | thats why we usually won in the past | |
| 03:24 | green wickets | |
| 03:24 | mason | ahhhh, chris has 'The Knowledge' |
| 03:25 | Amit | y |
| 03:26 | mason | i dont have a TV, so i will have to watch the best sehwag hits online |
| 04:58 | brendan | good night #koha |
| 04:58 | long day here... | |
| 05:19 | chris | night brendan |
| 06:49 | hey Elwell | |
| 06:50 | Amit | hi elwell |
| 07:00 | chris | hi nicomo |
| 07:00 | nicomo | morning/evening Chris |
| 07:01 | is stuff.nz doing well? | |
| 07:08 | chris | yep, 3.47 terrabytes |
| 07:08 | in a week | |
| 07:09 | Elwell | How expensive is bandwidth in NZ? |
| 07:10 | chris | depends where you live |
| 07:10 | Elwell | ok, hosting bandwith then |
| 07:10 | is there any competetion for colos / telcos? | |
| 07:10 | chris | yeah tons |
| 07:11 | its international transit that is the expensive bit | |
| 07:11 | Elwell | ah cool. yeah. I was a bit shocked when I applied for a job at U.canterbury and they said you paid for bandwith |
| 07:11 | chris | but there are 4 companies who provide that, there are tons of isps that do colo etc ... but they all have to buy transit from one of those 4 |
| 07:12 | Elwell | (stoppy sods didn't even shortlist me. pah. |
| 07:12 | chris | heh |
| 07:12 | what was the job? | |
| 07:12 | Elwell | sysadmin |
| 07:12 | chris | christchurch is weird anyway |
| 07:13 | Elwell | wanted to get into the HPC kit (I was sysadmin for the 1st bluegene in europe) but they didn't have any spaces |
| 07:30 | chris | http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]ingle_borrower.pl |
| 07:31 | it even works | |
| 07:32 | <firstname>Chris</firstname><cardnumber>1</cardnumber><borrowernumber>1</borrowernumber><surname>Cormack</surname> at rest/borrowers/single_borrower.pl line 12. | |
| 07:58 | hi paul | |
| 07:59 | paul_p | hi chris |
| 08:18 | slef | morning |
| 08:18 | chris | heya slef |
| 08:46 | is nahuel in denmark? | |
| 08:48 | nahuel | chris, yes i am :)à |
| 08:48 | chris | cool :) |
| 08:48 | its somewhere ive always wanted to visit | |
| 08:49 | paul_p | chris: nahuel & hdl are at indexdata offices, for 2 days of training on zebra |
| 08:50 | chris | ohhh very cool |
| 08:50 | i will have lots of questions for nahuel at the developer conference :) | |
| 08:50 | nahuel | chris, cool |
| 08:50 | :) | |
| 08:50 | well i'm away | |
| 08:50 | talking with indexdata | |
| 08:53 | Amit | hi nahuel |
| 09:15 | chris | heya kf |
| 09:17 | kf | heya chris :) |
| 09:19 | chris | wie geht es dir? |
| 09:20 | kf | gut, danke |
| 09:20 | fine, thx ;) learning german, chris? | |
| 09:20 | und dir? | |
| 09:21 | chris | how do you say also? |
| 09:21 | paul_p | chris: kivutar is jean-andre |
| 09:21 | Kivutar | hi |
| 09:21 | chris | hi Kivutar :) |
| 09:21 | Kivutar | :) |
| 09:22 | kf | i think: auch |
| 09:22 | P1: wie geht es dir? P2: danke gut. und dir? P1: mir auch. | |
| 09:22 | chris | ahh :) |
| 09:22 | thanks | |
| 09:22 | Kivutar | chris: so you're coding webservices for koha too? |
| 09:22 | chris | not really, just playing around |
| 09:23 | Kivutar | ok |
| 09:23 | kf | :) |
| 09:23 | chris | im playing with the caching framework |
| 09:23 | and using webservices as a good way to test | |
| 09:23 | kf | can someone explain how more_subfields_xml is supposed to work? |
| 09:23 | Kivutar | oh i see |
| 09:23 | chris | http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]lib/Koha;hb=cache |
| 09:23 | and | |
| 09:24 | http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]ingle_borrower.pl | |
| 09:24 | kf | i tried to use it for our accession numbery by linking it to 952$i |
| 09:24 | chris | if they are any use to them, feel free to use/fix :) |
| 09:24 | kf: ill have a look and no that was all the german i remember from when we had a swiss exchange student living with us :) | |
| 09:25 | Kivutar | thanks chris |
| 09:26 | Koha | Hi all, are there any LDAP guru's around ATM? |
| 09:26 | kf | just ask, when you want to learn more :) |
| 09:27 | Amit | hi kf |
| 09:27 | kf | hi amit |
| 09:28 | chris | kf: will do :) |
| 09:28 | Koha | Anyone? Trouble creating a staff user with LDAP switched on, no access. Denied. |
| 09:28 | chris | hmm im not sure what that column is for |
| 09:29 | kf | chris: you can train with German Koha version :) |
| 09:29 | chris: i think it changed its behaviour lately - we need a additional field for german accession numbers (additional to barcode). someone suggested using that column | |
| 09:30 | but now, when i save something like "2009/123" i get an xml-output, when editing the item the next time | |
| 09:31 | is it necessary to link all item fields to columns in item? | |
| 09:35 | chris | ahh yeah i think stuff in there is stored as xml, might be best to ask on the koha-devel list |
| 09:35 | i search the recent patches cant see any thing | |
| 09:35 | kf | ok |
| 09:35 | thx chris | |
| 09:36 | i reconfigured 952$i using no items column | |
| 09:36 | now i can save | |
| 09:36 | but im not sure if this will have any disadvantages | |
| 09:36 | chris | what is 952i? |
| 09:37 | kf | its not used now, i want to use it for import of accession numbers |
| 09:38 | chris | ahh ok |
| 09:40 | you probably dont need to map it at all | |
| 09:40 | ie you can store stuff in marc fields and subfields that arent mapped to a field in items or biblio etc | |
| 09:41 | and then just edit the framework to make them show in the edit screens | |
| 09:41 | and if you use xslt you can make them show in the search results too | |
| 09:42 | kf | ah |
| 09:42 | nice to know that | |
| 09:42 | i thought about a plugin similar to barcode.pl | |
| 09:42 | there is already the option in barcode to use annual numbers like 2008/1 | |
| 09:43 | i think this may be perhaps a problem | |
| 09:47 | chris | hmm yeah i think i remember atz saying it was buggy |
| 09:51 | imp | errrm.... why does any language contain it's own images? a shared folder for the images would be great |
| 09:57 | chris | send a patch |
| 09:57 | :-) | |
| 10:00 | imp | always the same answer ;P |
| 10:01 | chris | yep |
| 10:02 | its the beauty of free software, if you dont like something you can change it :) | |
| 10:04 | imp | indeed :) |
| 10:04 | paul_p | imp: with specific images, a library with multiple language can have "localized" versions of images. so that's not necessary a bad thing. |
| 10:04 | although I agree in most cases, it's useless | |
| 10:05 | (but at least, it's not a visible bug) | |
| 10:06 | imp | 316mb for a default installation is just huge - and 195M for intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl looks stupid |
| 10:07 | kf | perhaps it should use a default folder when there is no folder with localized images |
| 10:12 | imp | kf: there is already intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/img/ |
| 10:19 | kf | imp: i think to have localized images is a nice option, we already use bridge icons with german subtitles in our currend opacs. but I agree, that with more and more languages it uses to much space, so perhaps it could be optional, so when you create a localized folder, it will be used |
| 10:22 | paul_p | in fact, the best solution would be to distribute only english, and create templates in web installer |
| 10:25 | imp | paul_p: or being able to select the ones you want to install |
| 10:25 | kf | but it should be also possible to add languages later |
| 10:26 | imp | kf: sure, but how many languages do you need in your installation? ;) |
| 10:27 | kf | opac-languages are more likely to be added later |
| 10:27 | than intranet | |
| 10:27 | chris | why shouldnt you have as many languages as possible on your opac? |
| 10:36 | imp | good night |
| 10:49 | kf | good night chris |
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