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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:36 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: if you are around, I have generated a tarball for a 3.0.1 release |
| 11:36 | Can I upload it somewhere ? | |
| 11:58 | kados | hdl_laptop: did you sign it, etc? |
| 12:25 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: assuming you've signed, I can get it uploaded for you |
| 12:25 | a 1-week beta test might not be a bad idea, just to make sure that there are no problems for people upgrading from 3.0 | |
| 12:50 | kf | hdl: have you updated the release notest? i noted some old entries about postgres, windows and german intranet partial translation (is full now) earlier today |
| 13:15 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: yeah i have signed it. |
| 13:16 | kf : I updated.... But not on PG and windows | |
| 13:18 | gmcharlt: agreed about 1 week proof testing | |
| 13:18 | I already spent time on it to test features. | |
| 13:19 | But still, maybe ppl can find some other problems. | |
| 13:33 | gmcharlt: will send you the tarball later today | |
| 13:41 | kados | hdl_laptop: did you follow all the steps in misc/release_notes/README.txt ? |
| 13:41 | hdl_laptop: (just in case you haven't seen that file) | |
| 13:41 | hdl_laptop: and any changes that need to be made to the steps should also be added to that file (if poodle changes things for translation for instnace) | |
| 13:47 | hdl_laptop | kados: I did and am doing. |
| 13:47 | Pootle change nothing to translation stuff. | |
| 13:47 | kados | cool |
| 13:48 | hdl_laptop | I just find that release should maybe ask the translations to install rather than installing the whole stuff. |
| 13:48 | but at the moment, it is a minor issue for me. | |
| 15:25 | kados: gmcharlt, please tell me asap when we agree on release. | |
| 15:25 | I would like to announce it asap. | |
| 15:26 | kados | hdl_laptop: did you install translations? |
| 15:26 | (trying to understand) | |
| 15:27 | owen | any librarians here who deal with fines at their library? |
| 15:28 | danny | we have been talking a lot about fines lately owen, whats up? |
| 15:28 | owen | I'm adding replacement cost to the print view of the patron's record because our librarians often give these printouts to patrons who have old overdues |
| 15:29 | I'm wondering if putting a "charges" column in there makes sense as well | |
| 15:29 | It shows on the patron detail page, but not in the print view | |
| 15:30 | hdl_laptop | kados: yes i installed translations. |
| 15:31 | (It was written in README.txt : run update, install.pl...) | |
| 15:31 | => 51Mo archive. | |
| 15:32 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: I will want to see tarball and test first |
| 15:32 | hdl_laptop | btw kohanews is closed ? |
| 15:32 | owen | I'm curious why the patron detail page doesn't total up the charges at the bottom like it does replacement price |
| 15:32 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: np. |
| 15:33 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: a Thursday release is possible, though I still recommend a public testing period |
| 15:33 | hdl_laptop | how would you announce? |
| 15:35 | gmcharlt | you should post to koha & koha-devel of course |
| 15:35 | inlcude summary of release notes in email | |
| 15:36 | paul_p | 51MB ! wow ! we really need to create translation when installing, that's huge & useless for most libraries ! |
| 15:38 | hdl_laptop | So I will post to koha and koha-devel on Thursday. |
| 15:38 | paul_p | kados: ++ |
| 15:38 | hdl_laptop | paul_p: in fact, i think that js libs should be taken out from translations, since nothing is trnaslated from jquery and others. |
| 15:39 | paul_p | hdl+++ |
| 15:39 | hdl_laptop | + icons should also be not in language but in theme. |
| 15:39 | owen | I'm not sure about that one...I think many icons have text in them? |
| 15:39 | kados | hdl_laptop: some icons have text, that's why they are in lang |
| 15:39 | hdl_laptop: ++ on the js libs though, unless there are some exceptions | |
| 15:39 | hdl_laptop | But then you cannot translate text which is an image. |
| 15:40 | kados: would be nonesense to translate yui or jquery libs. | |
| 15:40 | imho. | |
| 15:40 | owen | If we were doing it right we'd distribute different icons with different translations. But I don't think anyone is up to that task at the moment |
| 15:40 | hdl_laptop | we thought we had to becaus of cart. |
| 15:41 | which is now solved. | |
| 15:41 | and included in tmpl. | |
| 15:41 | owen: But translating is copying all the images. | |
| 15:42 | So each translation you make, duplicates img directory. | |
| 15:42 | owen | Yes, I understand. |
| 15:43 | hdl_laptop | for instance, intranet-tmpl = 234Mo uncompressed. |
| 15:44 | owen | I'm just worried that moving them out of the lang directory prevents us from, in the future, providing images with translated text. Maybe that's too unlikely to consider at this time. |
| 15:45 | gmcharlt | I agree with owen; localized images could be part of a translation |
| 15:46 | but we can reorganize directory structure | |
| 15:46 | so that base icon directories are not duplicated needlessly | |
| 15:49 | hdl_laptop | I agree. |
| 15:50 | in fact, i think that most of the time, ppl will test icons set. | |
| 15:50 | Those who have text, which is not translatable, will not be used in non english speaking countries. | |
| 15:54 | And there, ppl will use custom set of template, unless they havetime to translate images, which generally ends up in doing a custom set of icons. | |
| 16:03 | owen : why is tinymce in js rather than lib ? Is it much different from jquery or yui ? | |
| 16:03 | owen | jquery and yui are javascript libraries, and tinymce is just one javascript "application." |
| 16:03 | tinymce is not jquery or yui | |
| 16:06 | hdl_laptop | owen : i am asking that because in my mind, it is just another external brick. |
| 16:06 | owen | Understandable. |
| 16:07 | O | |
| 16:07 | Sorry... | |
| 16:07 | I'm not sure how tinymce is supposed to be handling other languages | |
| 16:07 | It has a 'langs' directory, but it only contains en.js | |
| 16:08 | hdl_laptop | if it was in lib, then all those external js libs could be considered as "language independant. |
| 16:08 | " | |
| 16:08 | So tinymce has its own language structure. | |
| 16:08 | owen | Since lib has calendar and greybox I don't see any reason why tinymce shouldn't be there too |
| 16:09 | calendar and greybox are not libraries either | |
| 16:09 | the calendar script also has a language file, which means that we might investigate how that could be internationalized as well | |
| 16:10 | Perhaps calendar and tinymce can be configured to look for the language file in a custom location | |
| 16:10 | hdl_laptop | ++ |
| 16:10 | And maybe we could add links to all those third parties bricks at install | |
| 16:11 | kf | about icons: i made special german bridge icons |
| 16:11 | if icons are not in language, you cant use different icons :( | |
| 16:12 | hdl_laptop | kf : my idea would be to have kind of 2 levels of icons set. |
| 16:13 | Or maybe hard links | |
| 16:13 | kf | my idea is, that for example item type icons change, depending on choosed opac language |
| 16:14 | hdl_laptop | mmm. |
| 16:15 | But if you are a french library, with 4 or 5 languages supported. | |
| 16:15 | Would you create 5 different flavours of translated text icons | |
| 16:15 | Or only 1 set of icons without text ? | |
| 16:17 | + kf : you have to overwrite your german Bridge icons over the translations on each update. | |
| 16:17 | you cannot make it enter po files. | |
| 16:18 | kf | with bridge icons its easy, because there are psd-files |
| 16:18 | i think in a production system you dont update too often | |
| 16:18 | but its nice, when its possible to have different sets, perhaps not a must have | |
| 16:19 | translation is not perfect now - you cant define descriptions in different languages for libaries, item types and so on | |
| 16:42 | hdl_laptop | kohanews is down for maintenance ? |
| 16:42 | Or has been shut down ? | |
| 17:53 | kados: sorry for I had to answer the phone. | |
| 17:59 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: #kohanews is on freenode, not the katipo IRC server |
| 18:03 | Khalsa | What happens there? ( gmcharlt ) |
| 18:03 | gmcharlt | Khalsa: #kohanews has a bot that posts stuff from various Koha RSS feeds, like the bugs DB and the git log |
| 18:04 | Khalsa | exciting |
| 18:04 | gmcharlt | perfect for those who don't have enough information overload ;) |
| 18:21 | owen | anyone up for a question about labels? |
| 18:21 | I've got an issue with /cgi-bin/koha/labels/label-edit-layout.pl | |
| 18:21 | atz | ok |
| 18:21 | like, how much label printing sucks? | |
| 18:22 | owen | :) |
| 18:22 | It's been working fine for us even in a 2.x system because we're using the CSV output to pass to a label printer | |
| 18:22 | Here's my problem: I'm trying to edit the layout by using the "List Fields" option | |
| 18:23 | I put in a bunch of fields, saved it, tested it, and it didn't seem to work. When I went back in I saw that the fields I'd entered had gotten truncated, like there's a limit to the mysql column | |
| 18:24 | I'm not even sure where that data is stored | |
| 18:27 | atz | owen: ah, interesting. yeah i can imagine the field might be too small |
| 18:27 | i'll find it | |
| 19:55 | liz | ah labels, a bane to my existence |
| 20:04 | owen | liz, do you guys try to print labels on a regular printer? |
| 20:09 | liz | yes, they do |
| 20:15 | owen | liz, we've had success with a dedicated label printer. I've never tried to get a label template working with printed Avery labels or anything like that |
| 20:16 | liz | my big problem is that right now, it doesn't work at all to add labels to a batch |
| 20:16 | the items just don't add | |
| 20:16 | owen | Really? It seemed to be working for me when I tested today |
| 20:17 | atz | liz: are you getting a javascript error (from that bogus intranetuserjs value) ? |
| 20:18 | liz | atz: let me check again |
| 20:20 | ok, clicked Add items to batch, search for item by barcode, click search, and the window kind of flashes but doesn't do anything | |
| 20:20 | and no item is added | |
| 20:20 | to the batch | |
| 20:21 | search by title, same thing | |
| 20:21 | the drop down to select search criteria doesn't seem to work | |
| 20:21 | Ours was working until the last big batch of patches | |
| 20:22 | atz | liz: check syspref intranetuserjs |
| 20:22 | liz | nothing in there |
| 20:23 | atz | ok... not sure what the deal is then. sounds like javascript is hanging up though |
| 20:23 | liz | :/ yea |
| 20:23 | owen | So liz the pop-up appears when you click 'add to batch' ? |
| 20:23 | liz | yes sir |
| 20:24 | owen | ...but when you type something and click search you don't get any results? |
| 20:24 | liz | correct |
| 20:25 | owen | Weird. That's working fine for me in our new system. |
| 20:25 | liz | hrm. I'm going to do a proper sync on the templates involved, see if that changes anything |
| 20:27 | owen | I do notice that it gives you no indication that a particular search has failed |
| 20:27 | It just reloads | |
| 20:28 | atz | yeah, it's using a dynamic JS trick |
| 20:28 | owen | ? |
| 20:28 | atz | oh, you mean the popup just comes back empty? |
| 20:28 | and presents the same fields? | |
| 20:29 | owen | Right, the search form reappears as if you'd never submitted |
| 20:29 | atz | yeah, some indication would be useful |
| 20:29 | "I gots nothin. Try again." | |
| 20:29 | liz | hehe |
| 20:29 | the barcode search used to work though | |
| 20:30 | and doesn't even seem to be finiding titles | |
| 20:30 | finding* | |
| 20:30 | i think this is what we're seeing, is failed searches | |
| 20:30 | but I don't know why it would be failing | |
| 20:32 | double checked the templates, was not our problem. :( | |
| 20:38 | owen | Anyone know why we have an empty language bar at the bottom of our staff client pages? |
| 20:40 | kados | owen: do you have any language packs installed (har har har) |
| 20:41 | owen | ? |
| 20:42 | kados | owen: yea, it looks like you have some language packs installed |
| 20:42 | /cgi-bin/koha/admin/systempreferences.pl?tab=I18N/L10N | |
| 20:42 | owen: if you notice, there are alternatives listed there | |
| 20:42 | french, chinese, german, spanish | |
| 20:42 | owen | Listed but not checked |
| 20:42 | kados | IIRC, that may be a bug |
| 20:44 | owen: we need an intranetlanguagesdisplay | |
| 20:44 | owen: like the opaclanguagesdisplay | |
| 20:44 | and opaclanguagesdisplay needs to go into I18N/L10N tab too while you're at it ;-) | |
| 20:49 | owen | That I can do, at least |
| 03:32 | Amit | hi |
| 03:32 | good morning koha | |
| 03:32 | gm mason | |
| 03:32 | hi aindilis | |
| 07:33 | hi hdl | |
| 07:58 | chris | evening |
| 08:01 | hdl_laptop | hi chris. |
| 08:02 | updates commited on git 3.0.x branch | |
| 08:02 | It seems it doesnot really break previous translations. | |
| 08:03 | And 3.0.1 should be officially announced in a few days | |
| 08:06 | kf | morning chris + hdl |
| 08:10 | chris | woo great news |
| 08:29 | mason | evening kohaphiles |
| 08:30 | hdl_laptop | hi mason |
| 08:31 | mc | hello koha people |
| 08:33 | mason | bonjour biblibrians |
| 08:54 | Amit | (++$availableitemscount > $maxitems) and last; |
| 08:54 | can anyone check this line in | |
| 08:54 | search.pm | |
| 08:55 | i think it look like this | |
| 08:55 | ($availableitemscount++ > $maxitems) and last; | |
| 08:55 | for solved availability problem | |
| 08:57 | bug 2581 | |
| 08:57 | i have solve by this way | |
| 09:10 | hdl_laptop | hi amit |
| 09:10 | Amit | hi hdl |
| 09:10 | i solved this problem | |
| 09:10 | where i sumit my patch plz give me email id | |
| 09:11 | hdl_laptop | koha-patches at lists dot koha dot org |
| 09:11 | please join the list before. | |
| 09:11 | Amit | k |
| 10:13 | mason | fyi: bug/patch 2943 fixes Amit's issue |
| 10:14 | Amit | yes |
| 10:14 | i have already see thanks for correct me | |
| 10:16 | mason | np |
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