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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:19 | nahuel | does someone can say me why in http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ment:dbrevs:start there is two version "v3.01.00.011" ? and which version I can add? .012 ou .015? |
| 12:23 | gmcharlt | nahuel: please use .015 |
| 13:08 | hdl_laptop | hi gmcharlt |
| 13:09 | have you had time to take a look at the patches I sent you ? | |
| 13:09 | (just For My Information) | |
| 13:10 | nahuel | ok gmcharlt thanks |
| 13:10 | gmcharlt, did you see my new zotero patch ? | |
| 13:11 | mc | hell all |
| 13:11 | hello all | |
| 13:11 | better | |
| 13:11 | hdl_laptop | yes |
| 13:42 | paul_p | ;-) |
| 13:42 | hi owen. | |
| 13:42 | owen | Hi paul_p |
| 13:43 | Today we've got new snow, although not too much | |
| 13:43 | paul_p | last time there was so many snow in Marseille : 22 years ago ! |
| 13:43 | I said "once every 10 years", I was under ;-) | |
| 13:43 | owen | Now everyone in Marseille is saying "There is no global warming!" |
| 13:44 | paul_p | not sure : Marseille ppl are well known to be the most crying ppl in France ! |
| 13:44 | we are famous for that and for soccer | |
| 13:45 | owen | :) |
| 13:50 | kf | it was in german news yesterday - snow in marseille and a short film |
| 13:51 | :) | |
| 13:52 | owen | kf, you're in Germany? |
| 13:55 | kf | yes |
| 14:00 | some snow here, cold but sunny ;) | |
| 14:02 | owen | I don't think we've met before kf, I'm from the Nelsonville Public Library in Ohio, U.S.A. |
| 14:04 | kf | i know, you are responsible for koha looking so nice |
| 14:07 | i did some work on german translation and getting deeper in koha everyday now | |
| 14:12 | owen | I'm a little behind on Koha work these days because my library is preparing for its own upgrade to 3.0 (with Liblime's help) |
| 14:14 | hdl_laptop | hi kf : |
| 14:15 | I am working on 3.0.1 | |
| 14:18 | kf | hi hdl |
| 15:29 | teelmo | hello |
| 15:29 | gmcharlt | hi teelmo |
| 15:39 | teelmo | i was trying to install koha earlier today :) didn't quite manage |
| 15:50 | nahuel | gmcharlt, you have 2 mins ? |
| 15:50 | gmcharlt | nahuel: for you, yes :) |
| 15:51 | nahuel | hehe :) |
| 15:51 | gmcharlt | haven't had a chance to test your COinS patches yet, but later today |
| 15:51 | nahuel | ok great, but I wanted to talked you about the mail I just send to koha-devel about innodb |
| 15:51 | and the growing disk space used by innodb | |
| 15:51 | did someone in liblime had the same problem ? | |
| 15:52 | gmcharlt | I assume we do |
| 15:52 | nahuel | how did you do ? |
| 15:52 | gmcharlt | a couple things I can think of right away - enable innodb_file_per_table_feature. |
| 15:52 | nahuel | to decrease ? |
| 15:52 | hmmm, ok, but it do not delete the data | |
| 15:54 | gmcharlt | right, but with care, would be able to selectively shrink certain tables |
| 15:54 | still means production downtime | |
| 15:54 | another trick is during your production data migration | |
| 15:54 | after you finish the load, either drop the database and load it from a dump | |
| 15:54 | or transfer the dump for a temp database used for the migration to the production one | |
| 15:55 | nahuel | yes, but I'm thinking in a client that have a 10 years old installation... |
| 15:55 | gmcharlt | that way you don't start off with unnecessary space for any temporary stuff created during the migration |
| 15:55 | ah | |
| 15:55 | nahuel | or like an university use |
| 15:55 | gmcharlt | thinking aloud, one possibility might be setting up replication |
| 15:56 | nahuel | that delete/create thousands of "patrons" each years |
| 15:56 | and all the loans | |
| 15:56 | gmcharlt | then swtich over from master to replica |
| 15:56 | nahuel | yes it could be a solution, but it's a big problem of innodb... |
| 15:56 | gmcharlt | minimizes downtime, but I haven't actually tried anything like that |
| 15:57 | nahuel | Well, another solution for us is to dump/restore the database each upgrade time |
| 15:58 | gmcharlt | that's no unreasonable for major upgrades |
| 15:58 | since you'll have some downtime anyway | |
| 15:58 | (or if you're doing something clever to not have downtime, it would likely involve having a copy of the database anyway) | |
| 16:00 | nahuel: cfouts will undoubtedly have better insight | |
| 16:01 | nahuel | it should be a solution for long time support |
| 16:01 | but i imagine someone who install koha and do not do this for 10 years | |
| 16:01 | ans have 10k users | |
| 16:01 | s/s/d | |
| 16:03 | cfouts | what's up? |
| 16:04 | gmcharlt | cfouts: nahuel has some questions about shrinking innodb datafiles for tables and databases that do lots of inserts and deletes |
| 16:05 | cfouts | not much to be done about it, unfortunately. |
| 16:05 | nahuel | :s |
| 16:05 | you let the databases growing ? | |
| 16:06 | cfouts | well, they don't grow without bounds, generally. |
| 16:06 | it grows to accommodate however much data you put into it. | |
| 16:06 | and then never shrinks if you delete some data. | |
| 16:07 | nahuel | yes of course, but i'm thinking to some libraries that received/delete lot of datas each months |
| 16:07 | the database is permanently growing | |
| 16:07 | and I think you can count the size in GB each years | |
| 16:07 | cfouts | lots of that is often the sessions table. have you looked at that? |
| 16:08 | nahuel | yes |
| 16:08 | too big ;) | |
| 16:08 | but what do you do to decrease it ? | |
| 16:08 | cfouts | it also contributes in terms of table fragmentation, which gives very sparse and inefficient data storage. |
| 16:08 | 'truncate sessions' | |
| 16:08 | at night when not many people are using it. | |
| 16:08 | nahuel | but innodb do not delete datas from disk |
| 16:09 | cfouts | no, it will never shrink, but periodically truncating the sessions table will keep it from growing further. |
| 16:09 | hdl_laptop | cfouts: having decent expiry session time would be also a solution |
| 16:09 | cfouts | I've got a bug in for that. |
| 16:10 | nahuel | mc should look to fix this |
| 16:10 | cfouts | that's the ideal solution, but truncate works for now |
| 16:10 | nahuel | but as i understand do not decrease the disk space used? |
| 16:11 | cfouts | no, you have to dump and rebuild to shrink the database file size. |
| 16:12 | nahuel | dump/rebuild is bad in production databases amha |
| 16:12 | cfouts | yes, it's not an ideal solution, that's for sure. |
| 16:12 | mc | nahuel, i'm reading |
| 16:13 | nahuel | mc, :) |
| 16:13 | but this innodb problem is amha a big problem... | |
| 16:13 | cfouts | you can do other things, like connect a replication slave to create a new copy of the data |
| 16:13 | disk space is pretty cheap. I don't know how big of a problem this is. | |
| 16:14 | nahuel | The problem is you do not control the disk space grow |
| 16:14 | it do not more depend of the data in the database | |
| 16:14 | but the USE of the database | |
| 16:15 | mc | nahuel, what do you expect from me ... i'm just a rookie with mysql |
| 16:15 | gmcharlt | but that's always the case |
| 16:15 | nahuel | mc, we talked about sessions expiry |
| 16:15 | mc | almost rookie in database in generam |
| 16:15 | ooh | |
| 16:15 | yes: | |
| 16:15 | nahuel | gmcharlt, hmm no :) |
| 16:15 | gmcharlt | a library could start out small, get a big grant, and increase its collection ten-fold |
| 16:15 | mc | i'm aware |
| 16:15 | nahuel | use myisam, the disk space used, is the data disk space... |
| 16:15 | (and indexes) | |
| 16:15 | gmcharlt | like anything else, disk space usage has to be monitored |
| 16:16 | cfouts | isam doesn't support foreign key constraints |
| 16:16 | nahuel | cfouts, yes i know :) |
| 16:16 | postgre yes :) | |
| 16:19 | well at the beggining the question is : does liblime have a solution ? | |
| 16:22 | gmcharlt | well, at moment best idea is probably to dump/recreate database during scheduled downtime for an upgrade |
| 16:22 | or do something with a replica | |
| 16:23 | paul_p | gmcharlt: that was exactly the idea of nahuel : clean when upgrading !!! |
| 16:25 | nahuel | :) |
| 16:29 | owen | I'm surprised to realize that you can't search tags in Koha 3. Also surprised that I never thought of it until one of my staff asked about it. |
| 16:57 | nengard | owen i was under the impression that since tagging was still experimental more cool features would be coming - eventually |
| 16:57 | i think atz is the one to ask about that | |
| 16:58 | owen | Yeah, I'm sure. I was just surprised at myself for never noticing. |
| 16:59 | atz | owen: the correct fix would be to index tags in zebra |
| 16:59 | hdl_laptop | owen: fwiw, imho, tags should be considered as metadata. |
| 16:59 | atz: same idea | |
| 16:59 | atz | but i don't have time/skillz/sponsorship for that |
| 16:59 | owen | Yeah, my library is full of ideas but empty of cash. |
| 16:59 | atz | it's not really experimental though. it's pretty stable at this point. |
| 17:00 | hdl_laptop | atm, multiple MARC flavour support is quite time consuming for all of us. |
| 17:01 | atz | hdl_laptop: I imagine that would be very difficult |
| 17:04 | hdl_laptop | mmm... not that much.... |
| 17:05 | if we add a new link to a subfield. | |
| 17:05 | But that would double the data. | |
| 17:05 | gmcharlt | conceptually, adding a marcflavour column to biblio and replacing preference lookups would go a long way |
| 17:05 | but there are lots of details to attend to | |
| 17:06 | - indexing : would requires DOM mode to have enough flexibility | |
| 17:06 | hdl_laptop | And we should then add user information. |
| 17:06 | gmcharlt: ++ | |
| 17:06 | gmcharlt | - UI changes for user to know/set which MARC format is in use at a given point in time |
| 17:07 | - the obvious thought that if you make Koha support multiple MARC formats, you may as well go all the way and support native DC and other metadata formats | |
| 17:07 | hdl_laptop | Sure.... long way. |
| 17:08 | gmcharlt | - finding a large rock to hide under as traditional catalogers and metadata librarians start fighting over the ILS ;) |
| 17:09 | hdl_laptop | provided that traditional catalog is working fine, i think it would be OK for traditional catalogers. |
| 17:10 | gmcharlt | of course, I was just joking |
| 17:20 | trepador | hi i finally got install koha |
| 17:20 | but when i try to conect with the navigator shows me this fatal error | |
| 17:21 | Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' | |
| 17:21 | someone knows what's the problem | |
| 17:21 | thanks | |
| 17:34 | hdl_laptop | trepador: yes. |
| 17:34 | mysql seems not running | |
| 17:37 | trepador | sorry but i'am a newbie jejeje |
| 17:37 | i don't have mysql-server installed | |
| 17:37 | now i'm installing with the web installer | |
| 17:37 | thanks | |
| 17:41 | hdl_laptop | trepador: I think that MANY things are told in INSTALL documents. |
| 17:41 | atz | you can't do web install w/o mysql. |
| 17:48 | trepador | thank you hdl laptop, but i have no idea of apache and mysql , i start to learn it, two days ago |
| 17:49 | i read many times the installation page on kubuntu hardy heron | |
| 17:49 | and one thing more i apologize for my poor english | |
| 18:10 | rhcl | I don't really know anything about rima-tde.net, but just as a side note it has some interesting google hits. |
| 19:23 | atz | owen: what mechanism do we use for keyboard hotkeys, if any, in the staff interface? |
| 19:24 | owen | It's not used extensively (or consistently, probably), but there is a jquery plugin being used in some places--the resident search form, for instance |
| 19:25 | atz | i see jquery.hotkeys.js |
| 19:25 | owen | Look in staff-global.js for where it is put to use |
| 19:25 | atz | cool, thx |
| 19:28 | looks like alt+r, alt+u, and alt+q | |
| 19:28 | owen | Right, for checkins, checkouts, and searches |
| 19:28 | See this bug for complications: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2639 | |
| 19:29 | I haven't looked into the bug report because I always forget when I'm on my Mac :| | |
| 19:29 | atz | i'd say that's a minor bug unless it affects win32 FF or IE |
| 19:34 | hmm.... option r gives me ® | |
| 19:34 | q => œ | |
| 19:35 | u => opens some kind of dead-key extra-keyboard entry | |
| 19:36 | maybe i don't even know how to get to "alt" on my keyboard | |
| 19:37 | it's the same key as option on this small MacBook keyboard... but as a secondary | |
| 19:37 | so maybe i need shift or fn or some other magic | |
| 19:39 | chris | morning |
| 19:46 | atz | maybe alt's not working b/c i installed "Witch" |
| 19:46 | hi chris | |
| 19:47 | same results w/ Witch disabled... | |
| 19:47 | Œ‰¨ | |
| 19:48 | owen | Is there a preference for controlling how transfers are handled by default in returns? |
| 19:48 | For instance: whether or not to automatically transfer items which belong at other branches | |
| 19:48 | atz | for shift + alt/option + q|r|u |
| 19:48 | chris | i think so owen |
| 19:48 | but i may be misremembering | |
| 19:49 | ill go look | |
| 19:49 | owen | Hmm... AutomaticItemReturn maybe? |
| 19:49 | chris | hmm, my staff site is in greek |
| 19:49 | owen | "This Variable allow or not to return automaticly to his homebranch" |
| 19:49 | chris | this is gonna be tricky |
| 19:49 | owen | :) |
| 19:49 | atz | owen: i think there is a SomethingNeedsSomething syspref? |
| 19:49 | (search for need) | |
| 19:50 | cait | AutomaticItemReturn should be right, i remember i tested it wednesday |
| 19:50 | chris | yep |
| 19:50 | If ON, Koha will automatically set up a transfer of this item to its homebranch | |
| 19:51 | owen | Yeah, looks like what we were looking for. |
| 19:52 | Too bad there isn't a "do not transfer" button offered like there is a "do transfer" button when it's switched off. | |
| 19:53 | cait | HomeOrHoldingBranch might also be interesting |
| 19:54 | chris | thats more for if you can issue an item |
| 19:55 | cait | or if it has to go back first, yes |
| 20:10 | its greek g | |
| 20:10 | ah meant for chris | |
| 20:11 | chris | heh, yeah you can change it |
| 20:11 | cait | need login first :) |
| 20:13 | chris | done :) |
| 20:14 | cait | i did it too - parallel? g |
| 21:35 | danny | i have a patch that will make a couple of files obsolete, what is the general procedure for that? Is a separate patch for removing old files best or including that in the main patch? |
| 21:36 | gmcharlt | put in the main patch if removing the files is logically part of the change |
| 21:36 | if it's just something you noticed along the way, put it in a separate patch | |
| 21:36 | danny | ok |
| 22:34 | SelfishMan | mwalling: That's funny |
| 22:34 | oops, wrong window | |
| 23:14 | atz | chris: besides the "encoding" field not being populated, what else might cause working z3950 targets in 2.2 to break after upgrade to 3.0? |
| 23:15 | it seems odd that the 2.2 implementation works better out of the box than the 3.0 one | |
| 23:53 | chris | the 2.2 worked totally different |
| 23:53 | you had to have a daemon type thing running on your box | |
| 23:53 | that actually did the z3950 searches | |
| 23:54 | and it didnt use ZOOM | |
| 23:54 | so theres a few things different | |
| 00:08 | atz | chris: any recommendations for getting busted ones working in 3.0? Clients can't be persuaded that the sources they were using last week are unnecessary in the fancy new version of the software..... |
| 00:09 | i suppose i'll just try recreating broken ones from scratch. it is probably a default value (in addition to encoding) that doesn't get applied by migration scripts... | |
| 00:10 | chris | could well be it |
| 00:10 | give that a whirl then see if you can spot the diff | |
| 00:12 | atz | interesting |
| 00:12 | was it an indexdata daemon also? | |
| 00:12 | chris | nope, totally custom written |
| 00:12 | atz | wow... had no idea |
| 00:12 | chris | lemme find it |
| 00:13 | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]ccd56706dfbf49df8 | |
| 00:13 | the z3950-daemon-shell.sh and z3950-daemon-launch.sh | |
| 00:13 | in there | |
| 00:15 | atz | chris: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]ccd56706dfbf49df8 |
| 00:15 | uses ZOOM ? | |
| 00:16 | chris | oh maybe it was changed |
| 00:16 | it used to use plain old Net::Z3950 | |
| 00:16 | atz | ah, interesting |
| 00:16 | chris | must have changed whent that changed to ZOOM |
| 00:17 | atz | alright.... now here's an interesting part: |
| 00:17 | use Encode::Guess; | |
| 00:18 | my $decoder = guess_encoding($marcdata, qw/utf8 latin1/); | |
| 00:19 | might have to look at that again later | |
| 01:08 | mason | atz: i wonder if you are hitting a similar encoding bug to me? |
| 01:09 | "besides the "encoding" field not being populated," | |
| 01:10 | tho, my encoding bug is a bit more obvious than yours , it seems.. | |
| 06:52 | mc | hello world |
| 07:25 | chris | hi mc |
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