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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 13:05 | owen | Yeah, nengard, you've got the same problem I do |
| 13:05 | acmoore | hey, gmcharlt. long time, no see. |
| 13:05 | welcome back to you, too, newlogbot. | |
| 13:05 | owen | The "seiral data" and "published" columns aren't displaying, so the status and notes columns are pushed over |
| 13:06 | nengard | owen yeah - i saw that |
| 13:08 | owen | There's a check for "<!-- TMPL_IF NAME="serial" -->", which works outside of the ITEM_RESULTS loop but not inside. I thought that was all it was at first, but even after taking out the conditional no data displays. |
| 13:29 | hdl | owen : http://opac-nce.dev.kohalibrar[…]&biblionumber=729 |
| 13:30 | is this what you are looking at ? | |
| 13:30 | owen | http://opac-nce.dev.kohalibrar[…]?biblionumber=729 |
| 13:30 | Notice that under the "Serial data" column you see "available," which should be under "status" | |
| 13:31 | hdl | click on subscriptions and then more details and full viw. |
| 13:31 | Ah... | |
| 13:31 | I see. | |
| 13:32 | file a bug. I'll cope with that. | |
| 13:32 | .... | |
| 13:32 | owen | Writing the bug report now |
| 13:33 | hdl | owen : But I think it is not a good idea to display items for subscriptions |
| 13:33 | items should be displayed as part of the collection history imho. | |
| 13:33 | owen | It's certainly very confused the way it is. |
| 13:45 | kados | g'morning all |
| 13:45 | hdl: can you tell Frederic that we have an Arabic translation of the staff client that has just been submitted? | |
| 13:45 | also ... | |
| 13:46 | owen: do you recall an error with the translator that goes like this: | |
| 13:46 | circulation.tmpl: Completely confused parametrizing | |
| 13:46 | hdl | I will tell him when he is online. |
| 13:46 | owen | kados, no |
| 13:46 | hdl | hi kados. |
| 13:46 | kados | hi hdl |
| 13:47 | hdl: do you know of that error? circulation.tmpl: Completely confused parametrizing | |
| 13:47 | ? | |
| 13:47 | or maybe paul is here? | |
| 13:48 | hdl | This is when you use tmpl_process3.pl update right ? ? |
| 13:48 | kados | hdl: no, this is for installation |
| 13:48 | update worked OK | |
| 13:48 | (this is the Arabic staff client translation) | |
| 13:49 | hdl | Have you checked circulation.tmpl ? |
| 13:50 | kados | I found it |
| 13:50 | it's the translation file, wrong use of % | |
| 13:50 | hdl | kados++ |
| 14:35 | owen | what does rejecting a tag do? It doesn't seem to remove it from my own list of tags. Does it just keep it from being displayed publicly? |
| 14:39 | nengard | owen it puts it on the blacklist |
| 14:39 | and it doesn't show on the opac anymore | |
| 14:39 | or at least that's what used to happen | |
| 14:39 | http://sites.google.com/a/libl[…]/Tools/tools-tags | |
| 14:40 | owen | Should that tag no longer appear in the list of "my tags/ |
| 14:40 | ? | |
| 14:40 | nengard | owen - i forget - atz do you know? |
| 14:41 | slef | oooh... do they have to be called tags? |
| 14:41 | atz | no, even blacklisted tags are still in "my tags" |
| 14:41 | nengard | slef - what else would you call them? tags is the popular word |
| 14:41 | atz does it show on my tags that it has been rejected by librarians? | |
| 14:41 | slef | sorry, but could this get confusing when books are being tagged for RFID? |
| 14:42 | atz | nengard: not sure. |
| 14:42 | slef | nengard: categories and keywords seem to be used almost as often IME |
| 14:42 | owen | It shows up in "my Tags," but the tag doesn't show up on opac-detail.pl |
| 14:42 | nengard | slef can't we call that something else |
| 14:42 | rfid tagging | |
| 14:43 | slef | nengard: maybe. I'm not sure of the popular term for them yet, but my two RFID libraries call them simply tags. |
| 14:43 | nengard | hmmmm |
| 14:43 | slef | nengard: probably because "RFID" is slow to say :-/ |
| 14:44 | owen | I think the more popular understanding for the term "tags" needs to take precedence. |
| 14:44 | slef | I'm not at all sure on this either way, but it looks like a possible confusion. |
| 14:44 | owen: is it the more popular even among librarians? | |
| 14:45 | owen | Since it's the more commonly understood definition for patrons, that's what we should go with |
| 14:45 | slef | owen: patrons don't often buy ILSes, sadly. |
| 14:46 | owen | But we certainly hope they use them |
| 14:46 | slef | owen: sure, we can't confuse either community. |
| 14:47 | Do we call anything else apart from the sticky labels "labels" in Koha yet? | |
| 14:47 | owen | Then we need to be sure to identify RFID tags specifically in the context of RFID |
| 14:48 | slef | owen: unless we prefix the "my tags" sort of tags with something else, I think that's still potentially confusing. |
| 14:49 | owen | Why would a patron, logged into the opac, think that "my tags" might refer to RFID? That just doesn't make sense. |
| 14:49 | slef | owen: I suspect I can persuade the librarians to call RFID tags RFID labels (as opposed to printed or sticky labels) though. |
| 14:49 | owen: what about the librarians? | |
| 14:49 | (Won't somebody please think of the librarians(!)) | |
| 14:50 | owen | Why would a librarian, logged into the opac, think that "my tags" might refer to RFID? That doesn't make sense either! |
| 14:50 | slef | owen: are you being deliberately obtuse? |
| 14:50 | owen: what about the librarian interface? | |
| 14:51 | owen | What part of the librarian interface refers to RFID tagging? |
| 14:51 | slef | owen: the bits added to circulation, cataloguing and tools by koha-rfid |
| 14:53 | hdl | nengard kados owen slef : about creating a new list is there a concensus ? |
| 14:53 | slef | hdl: let me read the thread |
| 14:53 | owen | slef: you don't think it's possible for those bits to be labelled as RFID? |
| 14:53 | hdl | read also 3 lists |
| 14:54 | I am not against creating lists. | |
| 14:54 | su-erin | where can the the Tags OPAC module be downloaded? I'm running the RC1 |
| 14:55 | nengard | hdl - there's never a consensus :) hehe I'm on the new list side of things |
| 14:55 | slef | owen: it doesn't matter if we label it as RFID - they will drop the prefix in speech because it's such an arse to pronounce |
| 14:55 | nengard | su-erin it's built into RC1 |
| 14:55 | hdl | But imho, splitting lists into too many bits may kill the traffic and benefit of lists. |
| 14:56 | owen | slef, I think you're more likely to be able to train librarians to be specific in their speech than to try to teach patrons that what they know as tags on every other web site are called "doohickeys" in Koha. |
| 14:56 | hdl | Anyway, would there be a concensus and a choice of a list name I could do it quite quickly. |
| 14:56 | nengard | hdl - right now all the tech talk is scaring away people - those who don't know what the others on the list are talking about ... i'm okay with anything really - as long as we make it clear what the lists are for and make less techie people feel comfy |
| 14:56 | su-erin | nengard, thanks. I'm reading over the 3.0.0 manual but don't see the Enhanced Content in Tools |
| 14:57 | nengard | enhanced content is under General Preferences and under Tools you want to look for tags |
| 14:57 | su-erin: http://sites.google.com/a/libl[…]ences--Amazon-com & http://sites.google.com/a/libl[…]/Tools/tools-tags | |
| 14:57 | hdl | koha-devel was meant for ppl willing to get invloved in coding. |
| 14:58 | koha was meant for users. | |
| 14:58 | slef | owen: I think it's better to find some compromise rather than your "I am a lighthouse. Your move." approach. :P |
| 14:58 | hdl | announce is meant for announcing new versions. |
| 14:58 | kados | nengard: I'm skeptical that the tech talk scares librarians away, I have to be honest ;-) |
| 14:58 | nengard | su-erin: also here: http://sites.google.com/a/libl[…]ts/opac/opac-tags |
| 14:58 | kados - do you see the librarians writing on the list? | |
| 14:58 | kados | nengard: but I've been wrong before :-) |
| 14:59 | gmcharlt | regarding three lists, I'm afraid that if we create a third installation help list, requests for help that go there may die - we'd collectively have to make an effort to stay on top of it |
| 14:59 | kados | nengard: I think that's because they don't know about the list, not because they are scarred |
| 14:59 | nengard | kados okay let's advertise the list more and see what happens - if there is no change then maybe we revisit creating a new list |
| 14:59 | slef | nengard: I prefer two lists and actually having working moderators. |
| 14:59 | kados | nengard: that sounds like a good plan |
| 14:59 | su-erin | nengard: thanks |
| 15:00 | kados | gmcharlt: *nod* ... or the other issue: people are just confused about which list to send what to and send to all three |
| 15:00 | slef | nengard: if there is a third list, I'd prefer koha-install than koha-support because I think most of koha.lists.katipo.co.nz's members are users rather than installers. |
| 15:00 | nengard | slef i like that |
| 15:01 | the install questions are usually the techie type ones | |
| 15:01 | kados | slef: and then we'd just have to figure out how to steer people's questions about installation to koha-install |
| 15:01 | slef: because I'm guessing we'd continue to get them on the main koha list and on the developer's list | |
| 15:01 | nengard | yep .. this is too darn tricky!!! |
| 15:02 | slef | http://lists.koha.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel and http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha need full descriptions and cross-link with each other. |
| 15:02 | kados: link from distribution README, the download page and the support page to -install. | |
| 15:04 | kados: all three lists need working moderators. A moderation-hold on "install" in the subject line would allow the moderator to forward the email to koha-install IIRC. | |
| 15:04 | if the mailman versions are sufficiently recent, at least | |
| 15:04 | there's probably other keywords to watch, but a look at the archives should suggest them | |
| 15:05 | right - I've got to pop to town... bbi60m | |
| 15:14 | apparently I don't any more :) | |
| 15:19 | eric | morning! |
| 15:22 | slef | hi eric! |
| 15:27 | ok, list thoughts emailed | |
| 15:52 | su-erin | importing records into our test server as I type. seems to be going a little slow. The again the test server is a 2.8ghz with 256mb ram |
| 15:57 | owen | atz: Is there no way to delete a tag from the staff interface? |
| 15:57 | atz | owen: basically, no. the reason for this is that we need to remember (blacklist) all the bad tags anyway. |
| 15:58 | owen | I see, that makes sense. |
| 15:58 | atz | we could make a "delete" but it would really just be "hide" |
| 16:21 | kados | su-erin: should be running at about 100 records a sec or so with those specs |
| 17:11 | atz | fast proc, low RAM |
| 17:11 | ram is cheap... i'd bulk of the ol' test server on principle :) | |
| 17:11 | *bulk up | |
| 18:57 | su-erin | Is there something that needs to be enabled so the Tags and GoogleJackets config interfaces display (Tools > Tags OR Glob Sys Pref)? |
| 19:00 | atz | su-erin: you configure those via regular system preferences |
| 19:00 | under "Enhanced Content" | |
| 19:06 | su-erin | atz: not showing a "Enhanced Content" option (http://shepherd1871.info/export/sys_pref.jpg) |
| 19:07 | atz | what version? |
| 19:07 | su-erin | 3.00.00.067 |
| 19:07 | The RC1 | |
| 19:08 | atz | Tags are added in 3.00.00.073 |
| 19:09 | su-erin | ah |
| 19:09 | time to update then | |
| 19:10 | thanks though. i'll work on updating it later today or tonight | |
| 19:23 | hdl | gmcharlt ccatalfo : had any of you had time to have a look at what I was working on before vacation ? |
| 19:23 | gmcharlt | hdl: I'm afraid not yet - was in class the previous 10 days |
| 19:24 | hdl | you were attending training sesssions ? or teaching ? |
| 19:25 | gmcharlt | hdl: starting library school, actually |
| 19:26 | hdl | oh. So you would not be full time RM on koha 3.2 ? |
| 19:27 | gmcharlt | hdl: didn't say that :) |
| 19:27 | ccatalfo | hdl: me neither; I believe I have a koha installation that I can work with now, though. I'll take another look... |
| 19:27 | gmcharlt | hdl: in other words, yes, I'd be full-time 3.2 RM |
| 19:28 | hdl | how long will your school be ? |
| 19:29 | gmcharlt: I was just teasing you. | |
| 19:29 | maybe I am a bit jealous too. | |
| 19:30 | Is there a plan for getting holdings into Koha and not just items for you ? | |
| 19:31 | gmcharlt | hdl: about two years (re school) |
| 19:31 | hdl: we have a holdings RFC in the works to post soonish | |
| 19:32 | hdl | wow two years is a big training. |
| 19:32 | hope you enjoy this. | |
| 19:32 | gmcharlt | I intend to :) |
| 20:06 | slef | su-erin: I thought RC1 was 3.00.00.094 |
| 20:15 | su-erin | slef, thanks. |
| 20:21 | after looking at the source install files it's 094. But according to the koha version in the web interface About Koha it's 067. | |
| 20:42 | chris | morning |
| 20:43 | hdl | hi chris |
| 20:44 | cnighs | hello chris |
| 20:46 | chris | hi hdl and cnighs |
| 22:39 | slef | su-erin: I'm not sure but that makes me wonder if your database upgrade did something strange one day. Sorry. |
| 00:05 | pianohacker | Hm |
| 00:06 | chris | ? |
| 02:57 | atz_ | lol |
| 02:57 | the cleveland indians PR info line is (216) 420-HITS | |
| 02:58 | i suspect that's an intentional marijuana reference... | |
| 02:59 | which would also explain all their blown saves early in the year.... | |
| 03:07 | chris | heh |
| 07:16 | hi paul | |
| 07:16 | paul | hi chris. |
| 07:16 | 1st day in our new office | |
| 07:16 | coming from home with bicycle | |
| 07:16 | 15mn riding | |
| 07:17 | 25mn to go back home (climbing necessary...) | |
| 07:18 | chris | ahh, that will keep you healthy :) |
| 07:21 | how many people in the office? | |
| 07:21 | hdl | should be 3 |
| 07:23 | chris | cool |
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