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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 13:46 | hdl | I couldnot see it in my box. |
| 13:46 | thx gmcharlt | |
| 13:49 | owen | nengard: I can confirm that AmazonSimilarItems requires AmazonContent to be turned on |
| 13:50 | nengard | okey dokey!! |
| 13:52 | atz | 512 translations? |
| 13:53 | nengard | at i hope not - owen that's not good |
| 13:53 | manual updated | |
| 13:53 | owen | http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrar[…]l?biblionumber=92 |
| 13:53 | nengard | ewww |
| 13:54 | owen | That's not even a title in my database. |
| 13:55 | atz | that doesn't make any sense |
| 13:55 | links back to biblionumber 5... "Stand tall, Molly Lou Melon" | |
| 13:56 | When was the "Similar Items" feature introduced? | |
| 13:56 | owen | The biblionumbers are sequential as you go down the list |
| 13:56 | lloyd_ | before alpha |
| 13:57 | owen | But it's not happening with everything: http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrar[…]l?biblionumber=85 |
| 13:58 | atz | owen: and what kind of intelligence establishes the "similarity" relationship? |
| 13:58 | owen | Amazon |
| 13:58 | atz | xISBN or something? |
| 13:59 | ah | |
| 14:03 | owen: perhaps the odd isbn breaks the recursion? namely "0553156993 | 0" | |
| 14:04 | nengard | owen - your shelf browser is showing dup images ... on that last link you sent |
| 14:05 | owen | Sure, that's because I have Amazon and GoogleJackets on at the same time :) |
| 14:05 | nengard | ahhh |
| 14:05 | okay | |
| 14:07 | unrelated question - can one of you send me a screenshot the fines page for a patron who has overdue items? I don't need to see patron's info - just the account section on their profile on staff side ... I want to see what an overdue line looks like on a profile so I can document it | |
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| 14:19 | owen | atz, what was it we had to do in order to be able to use HTML::Template's variables like EVEN and ODD? |
| 14:20 | atz | change the constructor call to H:T:P |
| 14:20 | to include loop_context_vars=>1 | |
| 14:21 | owen | Can that be done on a per-script basis? Does that introduce a lot more overhead? |
| 14:21 | atz | i think the overhead is minor |
| 14:21 | and no, currently we have one constructor for everything | |
| 14:22 | in the long run whatever overhead there is will be better than our current many reproductions of toggle/highlight/counter code | |
| 14:23 | owen | So the switch should incorporate changes to all scripts that incorporate that stuff |
| 14:24 | atz | owen: unlikely to occur simultaneously since different terminology and style are used for the same things |
| 15:01 | hdl | owen : why is there no way to select only his own suggestion on opac-suggestion.pl anymore ? |
| 15:03 | owen | I don't know |
| 15:05 | hdl | Because some customers were quite pleased to filter suggestions and now, it is not possible. |
| 15:06 | More OPAC updates, including changes to how virtual shelves and suggestions links ... | |
| 15:06 | This feature disappeared in this commit in November 27 | |
| 15:09 | No. | |
| 15:10 | In fact, it is displaying all users suggestions when it is said to display ONLY your suggestions. | |
| 15:11 | nengard | no one answered - can anyone do this? |
| 15:11 | unrelated question - can one of you send me a screenshot the fines page for a patron who has overdue items? I don't need to see patron's info - just the account section on their profile on staff side ... I want to see what an overdue line looks like on a profile so I can document it | |
| 15:11 | <nengard> nceliblime.com |
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| 15:11 | owen | Sorry nengard, I don't have data with fines either. |
| 15:11 | nengard | :( oh poo |
| 15:12 | owen | hdl: OPACViewOthersSuggestions os turned on? |
| 15:12 | hdl | OFF |
| 15:12 | owen is a happy man ;) | |
| 15:15 | nengard | hdl i agree |
| 15:15 | there is a bit of a mess going on there | |
| 15:24 | owen | hdl, is this the commit you're referring to? http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]ec4addbf82#patch8 |
| 15:25 | hdl | owen In fact, i have searched too fast. |
| 15:25 | was this commit Adding check all/none controls to opac suggestions, following opac shelves interface. | |
| 15:25 | I think. | |
| 15:26 | That changed OPAC suggestion behaviour. | |
| 15:26 | But I will cope with that. | |
| 15:26 | owen | that just added the "check all" buttons and moved teh "new suggestion" link |
| 15:27 | Are you remembering tabs that showed "suggetions" and "my suggestions" ? | |
| 15:28 | hdl | tabs ? |
| 15:28 | it was simply filtering. | |
| 15:28 | owen | A search form? |
| 15:33 | hdl | it is quite weird. |
| 15:33 | When there are no pending suggestions, you cannot create one. | |
| 15:33 | owen | I submitted a patch for that recently...didn't I? |
| 15:36 | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]c3419bd64bcd0ccdd | |
| 15:57 | hdl: I'm not finding that it's showing me suggestions other than my own | |
| 15:59 | hdl: I had hidden the "filter suggestions" form if OPACViewOthersSuggestions is turned off. I thought this was justified because it includes a "suggested by anyone" choice | |
| 16:00 | lloyd_ | mmm anybody know why mason's permissions patch hasn't been accepted yet? |
| 16:27 | gmcharlt | hi kados |
| 16:43 | hdl | hi kados |
| 16:44 | owen | Hi kados |
| 17:41 | kados | owen: got a sec? |
| 17:41 | owen | Yes |
| 17:41 | kados | for some reason, the acquisitions and serials links are showing up for staff that don't have access to them |
| 17:41 | on the dashboard and on the more dropdown | |
| 17:42 | owen: I'm happy to fix that, just wanted to make sure you wern't working on it already to avoid conflict | |
| 17:43 | owen | Did that permissions variable change? |
| 17:43 | kados | not that I'm aware of |
| 17:44 | owen | Those links are wrapped in <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="CAN_user_editcatalogue" --> |
| 17:44 | kados | yea, the serials one needs to be added in the serials and ditto with acquisitions |
| 17:44 | I'll take care of it | |
| 17:45 | CAN_user_acquisition and CAN_user_serials | |
| 17:53 | owen: any reason for mainmenu.inc to stick around? | |
| 17:54 | owen | No |
| 17:54 | kados | owen: looks like it's being used in a couple places still, but not sure if that's deprecated |
| 17:54 | grep -r mainmenu.inc * | |
| 17:54 | modules/maint/catmaintain.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> | |
| 17:54 | modules/cataloguing/additem-nomarc.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> | |
| 17:54 | modules/cataloguing/addbiblio-nomarc.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> | |
| 17:54 | modules/authorities/detail.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> | |
| 17:54 | modules/catalogue/dictionary.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> | |
| 17:54 | modules/catalogue/suggest.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> | |
| 17:54 | owen: can I just replace all of those with header.inc? | |
| 17:55 | owen | No, it doesn't work that way. |
| 17:55 | Is catmaintain.tmpl still used? | |
| 17:55 | And those -nomarc files? | |
| 17:56 | kados | don't think so |
| 17:56 | catmaintain was for managing deleted bibs and items | |
| 17:56 | we should retain it, for future integration | |
| 17:56 | the nomarc tmpls can be removed afaik | |
| 17:56 | dictionary.tmpl should proabbly be retained | |
| 17:57 | not sure what suggest.tmpl is ... is that suggestions management for acquisitions? | |
| 17:57 | owen | Take a look...I'm not sure what that is |
| 17:58 | kados | /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/suggest.pl doesn't work |
| 17:58 | Undefined subroutine &main::findsuggestion called at /home/jmf/repos/koha-rm-test.git/catalogue/suggest.pl line 39. | |
| 17:58 | paul, hdl any ideas what suggest.pl is? | |
| 17:59 | it's not linked to from anywhere, I'd say we can remove it | |
| 18:00 | owen: so I think only authorities/detail.pl needs to be updated to remove mainmenu.inc | |
| 18:00 | the others can probably be ignored for now, or removed | |
| 18:49 | owen: got a sec? | |
| 18:49 | owen: I'm on bug duty today and have a questiona bout 1824 | |
| 18:49 | owen | Yes |
| 18:50 | kados | darrell submitted a patch for this, but I'm not clear whether it will work as NPL expects |
| 18:51 | owen | What is it doing? |
| 18:51 | kados | well, it's been pushed afaik |
| 18:53 | I'm guessing the branch specification isn't good enough for NPl yet | |
| 18:53 | owen | Is it doing any branch specification? |
| 18:53 | kados | http://staff-jmf.dev.kohalibra[…]endingreserves.pl |
| 18:53 | sort of ... | |
| 18:53 | admin / demo | |
| 18:54 | does NPL's queue change from day to day? | |
| 18:54 | owen | Yes |
| 18:54 | kados | ie, if a book is targeted for a specific branch, and isn't filled the first day, is it bumped to the next branch? |
| 18:54 | owen | Only if the first branch's copy has been made lost |
| 18:55 | kados | gotcha |
| 18:55 | ok, so I'm guessing this won't really work for NPL then as implemented | |
| 18:55 | owen | Doesn't NPL's reserves script do some kind of branch prioritization? |
| 18:55 | kados | as it doesn't have that targeting capability |
| 18:55 | owen: yea, it's a static definition | |
| 20:12 | nengard | hdl i'm reading through commits to update manual and see this one: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]142ddefaa4419b375 what does this sys preference do? |
| 20:14 | kados | nengard: I can answer that |
| 20:15 | nengard: it's to p romote some tie-in between serials and acquisitions | |
| 20:15 | nengard | okay |
| 20:15 | kados - so how does it work? what does it do? | |
| 20:15 | kados | nengard: if you renew a serial subscription, it generates a suggestion so the selector knows to order it |
| 20:15 | nengard | Oh! |
| 20:15 | neat | |
| 20:15 | why is it Local Use? | |
| 20:15 | kados | what does Local Use mean? |
| 20:17 | nengard | kados it's under the local use tab on the admin > general preferences |
| 20:17 | kados | ahh ... because hdl forgot to assign it to a tab |
| 20:23 | nengard | kados should I report it? hdl are you around? (probably not - it's late in France) |
| 20:24 | kados | nengard: I'll take care of it |
| 20:24 | nengard | thanks kados - where will it go? so i can update the manual |
| 20:25 | kados | nengard: Acquisitions tab |
| 20:26 | nengard | well - that makes sense :) |
| 20:26 | kados | :) |
| 23:02 | atz | wow... just saw the announcement of OCLC xOCLCnum service |
| 23:02 | 5 times as many targets as xISBN | |
| 23:28 | kados | yea, that's pretty interesting |
| 23:29 | with very minor tweaks we could turn that on | |
| 23:29 | but it sorta assumes you use oclc records | |
| 23:29 | atz | right, you still need a starting point OCLCnum |
| 23:30 | but given that service, it seems like a valuable identifier to have | |
| 01:40 | owen | g'nite #koha |
| 09:51 | kados | hi paul |
| 09:51 | paul | hi joshua |
| 09:51 | kados | so ... I count 40 bugs with blocker, critical and major |
| 09:51 | http://tinyurl.com/5hysmf | |
| 09:52 | + there are still pretty serious issues with the holds process, fines management, notices, and reports that will make Koha inadequate for most US libraries | |
| 09:52 | holds works perfectly for a single-branch library, but we have to do a workaround for multi-branch libraries | |
| 09:53 | also, we don't have many clients using acquisitions, but I know there are some outstanding and perhaps unreported issues there | |
| 09:53 | paul: so I'm curious if you would recommend a release before or after these issues are fixed | |
| 09:54 | paul | it depends on how many time is needed to fix them ;-) |
| 09:54 | + for some of them, I think the description is very obscure & I personnaly don't see how to fix /what to fix | |
| 09:54 | for example #1532 (the 1st one) | |
| 09:55 | kados | yep, that's a poor bug report |
| 09:55 | but it has to do with the holds problems I mention above | |
| 09:55 | in US libraries, holds are managed in a queue | |
| 09:55 | and libraries that own a title are targeted until they say they don't have that item available, then another library is targeted | |
| 09:56 | rather than the Koha approach of broadcasting the hold to all libraries | |
| 09:56 | so NPL for instance, has a holds queue table that is updated every 10 minutes | |
| 09:57 | paul | so it means that the '1st to pick it' as done with Koha atm is not what they need ? |
| 09:57 | kados | correct |
| 09:57 | in fact, I can say that 99% of US libraries would be very unhappy with this broadcast 1st to pick it approach | |
| 09:58 | paul | too bad... that will be hard to change... |
| 09:58 | kados | we can implement NPL's workaround, but it will be a dirty solution |
| 09:58 | just imagine howard county for instance ... they often have 3-400 holds on a single title | |
| 09:58 | paul | and changing completly the behaviour is a long term & hard solution |
| 09:59 | 3-400 hold on a single title ???????? | |
| 09:59 | wow ! | |
| 09:59 | kados | yep |
| 09:59 | paul | most libraries here limit the number of holds possible to a given item, to avoid ppl having to wait for 5months to get a book |
| 10:00 | in fact they still will have to wait 5 months, but the hold won't be pending for 5 months ;-) | |
| 10:00 | kados | :) |
| 10:01 | paul: so holds is a special case as you are happy with it and US libraries aren't | |
| 10:01 | paul: lets ignore that one for now ... we can implement our workaround if need be | |
| 10:01 | paul | yep. |
| 10:01 | kados | paul: what about the rest of the issues ... fines, reports, notices, and the 40 bugs |
| 10:02 | surely french libraries will have a problem with many of these | |
| 10:02 | like shipping costs disappearing in acquisitions | |
| 10:02 | 1965 | |
| 10:02 | paul | fines, I don't have a library using it. In france, only SAN-OP use them, and they plan to get rid with them. |
| 10:02 | kados | and 1920: total price not saving to order |
| 10:02 | oh! | |
| 10:02 | so fines are also a point of contention | |
| 10:03 | !! I begin to see the problem :-) | |
| 10:03 | paul | 1965 : unseen, as in France, most libraries have a public contract, and shipping cost is included, so it's always 0 ;-) |
| 10:03 | kados | :( |
| 10:04 | paul | 1965: joe wrote on march, 6 that he sended a patch. It did not solve this bug ? |
| 10:05 | kados | no, it did not |
| 10:05 | and I find additional errors too ... the total isn't updated at all when entering amount | |
| 10:05 | paul | however, I agree with you that such bugs must be fixed. even if we (BibLibre clients) don't suffer of it. |
| 10:06 | kados | paul: there are 163 'normal' bugs ... can you look at the list and make sure none of them should be major, blocker or critical? |
| 10:07 | paul: http://tinyurl.com/5apjsy | |
| 10:07 | paul | ok, will try to do that today... added to my very long list of things to do... |
| 10:07 | ewwc | hello? |
| 10:08 | kados | paul: I worry about the reports issues too ... I guess French libraries don't need much reporting? |
| 10:08 | paul | hello ewwc. good morning/evening/afternoon, depending on where you come from. |
| 10:08 | ewwc | Brunei, its evening here |
| 10:08 | paul | I fact, I think reports are underused because of their bugs. |
| 10:08 | not because of no need. | |
| 10:09 | but I think we can release 3.0 and fix those bugs after, in 3.0.1 | |
| 10:09 | ewwc | is this a good place to get help installing koha |
| 10:09 | paul | as the datas will be saved correctly. |
| 10:09 | ewwc: probably the best one ;-) | |
| 10:10 | ewwc | well I followed the instructions for ubuntu gutsy but now i get fatal error trap for the last step |
| 10:11 | there are errors when doing the make test for koha | |
| 10:12 | I think the errors are negligible as they are for perl modules that were not mentioned in the walkthrough | |
| 10:12 | so where did I go wrong? | |
| 10:12 | paul | could you copy/paste the exact error you get ? |
| 10:13 | ewwc | hold on, let me boot up the ubuntu |
| 10:13 | paul | kados : it will be time for lunch for me. Go to take a breakfast, we will continue later. |
| 10:13 | kados | ok |
| 10:15 | ewwc | which error did you want? |
| 10:15 | the make test one or the other? | |
| 10:17 | when I try to go to http://servername:8080 I get production mode - trapped fatal error | |
| 10:19 | paul | ewwc: this error is useless for debugguing. you must go to your logs and investigate here |
| 10:20 | ewwc | yeah I'm still new to all this |
| 10:20 | which log and where | |
| 10:21 | I got this while installing the zebrasrv: - [fatal] lock file /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [No such file or directory] | |
| 10:22 | I think this might be the culprit | |
| 10:22 | paul | mmm... I don't think so. It will cause a problem later I think. Not when you start koha. |
| 10:22 | ewwc | >_< |
| 10:22 | paul | hdl, do you know where the logs are located on a fresh install by default ? |
| 10:23 | ewwc: in some hours, you could meet gmcharlt here, that should be much more efficient than me on helping you. atm, I think he's still sleeping (US guy) | |
| 10:24 | ewwc | ah |
| 10:24 | couple more hrs more | |
| 10:24 | hdl | var/log |
| 10:24 | (in the koha directory) | |
| 10:25 | ewwc | in that case , here's a usge question - is it advisable to run it on Mac? |
| 10:26 | paul | MAc OS-X, I think it's fine, as it's an unix/linux flavour |
| 10:27 | ewwc | just a matter of installation procedure then? |
| 10:27 | btw can't find a var directory anywhere in /etc/koha | |
| 10:29 | paul | look in /usr/local/koha |
| 10:31 | ewwc | nope |
| 10:31 | no such dir | |
| 10:31 | tried the home directory | |
| 10:31 | nithing there either | |
| 10:34 | has anyone succesfully installed koha3 on OSX Leopard? The help file on the koha wiki is out of date | |
| 10:34 | paul | not me (never tried) |
| 10:34 | ewwc | i think atz helped someone install one (read it in the forum) |
| 10:35 | paul | atz is from US as well, so probably sleeping (or just awaking & in the bathroom ;-) ) |
| 10:35 | ewwc | so the best time to catch them is 12 hrs from now, at the end of their day? |
| 10:36 | paul | nope, in 2-3 hours he should be around |
| 10:36 | ewwc | ok, guess I'll pop on home for dinner first |
| 11:00 | gmcharlt | ewcc: about? |
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