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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:57 | owen | Hi #koha |
| 12:57 | hdl | hi owen |
| 12:58 | owen : do you know of jquery problems with large dataset management ? | |
| 12:58 | owen | Hi hdl. I'm just getting caught up after being out of the office for a couple of days. I'm just now reading about that in your bug report |
| 12:59 | hdl | sorry to catch you up. |
| 12:59 | owen | It's just a matter of the time it takes for the javascript engine to process all that data. |
| 12:59 | It's definitely not designed for really huge datasets | |
| 13:00 | Could you save the HTML of your huge overdues page and send it to me for testing? | |
| 13:00 | hdl | *nods* |
| 13:00 | paul | owen & hdl : an interesting point is that is works with Opera. |
| 13:00 | so it really seems it's a javascript/firefox problem | |
| 13:01 | owen | And I suspect it also depends on the computer the browser is installed on, and available memory at the time of execution |
| 13:04 | hdl | owen : sent |
| 13:05 | owen | Thanks |
| 13:16 | paul | couldn't we just remove jquery for this script ? |
| 13:17 | hdl | It is a quick fix. |
| 13:17 | owen | We could. We should also think about whether there is a better way to present this page if there will always be thousands of results |
| 13:18 | For instance: paged results and a link for a full printable version? | |
| 13:18 | hdl | owen it is likely to be. |
| 13:18 | paul | owen: right. In fact, some/many/most libraries will use this page to upload the CSV for mailing ppl |
| 13:18 | so the CSV is the most important button I think ;-) | |
| 13:18 | maybe : | |
| 13:18 | - display the page without any result | |
| 13:19 | - let the user clic to "display" or "upload" | |
| 13:27 | owen | Hmmm... Downloading a CSV file of overdues isn't working for me: "impossible d'ouvrir le fichier de relances at ../misc/cronjobs/overduenotices-csv.pl line 81" |
| 13:31 | gmcharlt_ | greetings #koha |
| 13:31 | paul | hi gmcharlt_ |
| 13:32 | hdl | gmcharlt: mail sent to report some errors from upgrade script. |
| 13:32 | gmcharlt | hdl: got it. if it's not too huge, could you send me a mysqldump of the 2.2.9 DB you were testing? |
| 13:33 | hdl | on the way |
| 13:55 | owen | Should I file a bug report about not being able to download a CSV of overdues? Or should I be checking for a problem on my system? |
| 13:59 | nengard? | |
| 13:59 | nengard | hiya owen |
| 13:59 | owen | I'm just thinking about the RSS icon on the search results page |
| 14:00 | That should appear even if there are no results, dont you think? | |
| 14:01 | atz | owen: yeah |
| 14:01 | in case you want to know when they finally get something that matches the query | |
| 14:02 | owen | atz, that's what I was thinking |
| 14:02 | atz | seems like the *most* valid use of RSS |
| 14:05 | owen: do we have something like a green checkmark (OK indicator) icon? | |
| 14:07 | owen | atz, intranet-tmpl/prog/img/approve.gif |
| 14:07 | atz | cool, thx |
| 14:13 | nengard | owen - sorry got distracted - i agree with atz it should show up no matter what because there may be results later |
| 14:22 | hdl | owen : I am working on that csv problem |
| 14:26 | gmcharlt_ | odd_internet_connection_problems-- |
| 14:26 | heck, even_internet_connection_problems-- | |
| 14:28 | hdl | owen : about jquery : is this only a problem of line counts ? |
| 14:28 | We could write HTML table markup on one line. | |
| 14:28 | owen | I believe it's about the number of rows in the table |
| 14:28 | So whitespace doesn't matter to jquery | |
| 14:28 | hdl | *nod* |
| 14:29 | owen | Would my vendors not appear in the filter form if I don't have any late orders? |
| 14:30 | hdl | yes. |
| 14:31 | owen | Okay |
| 14:34 | http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]d=255&action=view | |
| 14:35 | What is the purpose of the 'acquisition claim' dropdown? | |
| 14:36 | Oh...That lets you select which letter to use when submitting a claim? | |
| 14:36 | nengard | owen - yes |
| 14:37 | it's coming from Tools > Notices | |
| 14:39 | atz | owen: btw, remember when we tried to use H:T:P built-in loop variables (like counters, even/odd indicators, etc.) and it didn't work? I've got a patch that fixes that. The switch for that has to get passed to the template constructor (not as a template param). |
| 14:40 | owen | Huh, interesting |
| 14:42 | atz | so we can eventually kill off all the dumb parts of internal code that preprocess loops to add counters, "highlight" or "toggle" variables, etc. |
| 14:42 | owen | nengard: http://zivotdesign.com/examples/lateorders.gif |
| 14:43 | nengard | owen you are awesome!!!! |
| 14:43 | only one comment | |
| 14:43 | owen | Please |
| 14:43 | nengard | you might want to have the bullets up where the filters are - just to be consisten from page to page - and maybe move the filter and list over to the left |
| 14:44 | k - hang on | |
| 14:47 | owen email sent to gmail | |
| 14:48 | owen | Hmmm.. I see. But I disagree. Other pages use the left-hand area for filters as well |
| 14:49 | /circ/overdue.pl, for instance | |
| 14:49 | nengard | owen - okey dokey - which page? I haven't seen one yet and may have to update some screenshots |
| 14:49 | okay | |
| 14:49 | owen overdue.pl doesn't have menu items though .... | |
| 14:50 | owen | True :) |
| 14:50 | nengard | and i do like the way it looks ... i'm just concerned that the bullets look out of place on the lateorders page |
| 14:50 | i do have to update my screenshots for overdues :) | |
| 14:50 | owen | I'm concerned that we have those bulleted links on that page because we can't come up with a better way to organize those links |
| 14:53 | I see we've got some terminology inconsistency here... Is "late issues" correct rather than "late orders" ? | |
| 14:54 | nengard | owen i think it should be late orders |
| 14:54 | good catch | |
| 14:55 | owen as for the bullets - i'm up for anything that makes it more usable ... I personally don't know where else to put them .... | |
| 14:58 | owen should i report the language issue - or are you doing that with your redesign? | |
| 14:58 | owen | I'm fixing it now |
| 15:00 | nengard | k |
| 15:42 | on koha/circ/transferstoreceive.pl there is nothing in the action column ... how do i actually mark the item as transferred | |
| 15:42 | hdl | check it in |
| 15:47 | tim | I copied the prog directory to a new one to make changes to the opac templates and set the opacthemes system preference to the new directory, but the changes I make there don't make a difference. |
| 15:47 | hdl | which changes ? |
| 15:48 | tim | Then I tried making a change in prog and it was updated on the opac. Does anyone know why the systempreference isn't setting the opac to use the new directory? |
| 15:48 | nengard | thanks hdl |
| 15:49 | hdl | np : it is not straight-forward. |
| 15:49 | owen : can you answer tim ? | |
| 15:50 | tim | I thought maybe it was a permissions problem. I just checked and they're ok. |
| 15:51 | owen | tim, I'm curious what kind of changes are you making? |
| 15:52 | Once you start down the path of template customizations you're looking at future upgrade problems. | |
| 16:00 | tim: switching opac themes seems to be working for me. You're testing 3.0, right? | |
| 16:02 | atz | i know koha has ways of hiding items from the opac, marking them notforloan, or whatever |
| 16:02 | is there currently a mechanism that hides a biblio record from OPAC display/indexing? | |
| 16:06 | owen | atz, Liblime worked up something for NPL's dev_week install, I don't know if that has made it into 3.0 |
| 16:07 | atz | I'm guessing not, mainly b/c I don't see anything in the biblio table that could record "hiddenness" |
| 16:08 | owen | we have an authorized value called "suppress" which can be applied to a biblio. That hides the biblio from OPAC results |
| 16:08 | You have a customer that has a similar requirement? | |
| 16:13 | tim | owen: some things aren't displaying and I get no errors in the logs, so I was marking spots on the templates to make sure those parts are getting displayed. |
| 16:14 | owen: I'm testing 3.0. Did a git update yesterday. | |
| 16:15 | owen | When you view the source of an opac page, do you see the /prog/en/ path or your custom template path for things like stylesheets in the <head>? |
| 16:16 | tim | I wanted the call number displayed. I'd like itemnumber displayed but understand why that might not be a good idea, but nothing is getting displayed there now. I'd like to find out why. |
| 16:18 | owen | The call number display question is one that is still open. I think it must be resolved before the official release |
| 16:18 | If you're working with a new set of templates just for that, I'd advise you to wait | |
| 16:21 | ...not that that helps explain why your custom set of templates isn't working properly | |
| 16:22 | tim | I read where that hasn't settled. It just looks like something should be displaying there and it's blank. Actions is also blank. I don't even know what that is for. |
| 16:23 | owen | That might contain "place hold," "save to lists" and/or "add to cart" |
| 16:24 | Those might be turned off in your system preferences? | |
| 16:24 | We need to hide the label if all three are off. | |
| 16:26 | tim | I'll need to find the preferences. |
| 16:26 | I found noOPACholds and it's set to OFF. | |
| 16:31 | gmcharlt_ | atz: there's an OPAC suppression - implemented by setting 942$n to 1 in a bib, which is indexed in the 'Suppres' index in zebra. opac-search.pl then adds the 'and not suppress=1' to searches if an OpacSuppression syspref is ON |
| 16:32 | atz | gmcharlt_: thx, kindly |
| 16:33 | hdl | 942$n is linked to which item field ? |
| 16:33 | gmcharlt_ | hdl: it isn't linked to any |
| 16:33 | hdl | is it hard coded ? |
| 16:33 | 942$n ? | |
| 16:33 | gmcharlt_ | also, note that feature is not fully integrated - syspref is not in install scripts, e.g. |
| 16:34 | hdl: subfield is hard-coded in zebra config - not sure if a SUppress index is defined in the Unimarc config by default or not | |
| 16:34 | hdl | gmcharlt_: brilliant. |
| 16:35 | I will look at that... If i have time. | |
| 16:39 | tim | RequestOnOpac is set to ON. noOPACUserLogin is set to OFF. |
| 16:41 | No item status is displayed in the search results. Is that still missing or is it just my install? | |
| 16:42 | If I click on Limit to currently available items I get no rusults. | |
| 16:57 | paul | could anyone test circ/waitingreserves.pl. |
| 16:57 | for me it's always empty, even if it should not be. | |
| 16:57 | I think it's due to a date handling problem. | |
| 16:57 | I'm wondering if it's my DB, the update process, or a true bug. | |
| 16:58 | waitingreserves.pl, line 123 reads : | |
| 16:58 | next unless ($num->{'waitingdate'} && $num->{'waitingdate'} ne '0000-00-00'); | |
| 16:58 | and waitingdate is empty for me | |
| 16:58 | thus, all entries are removed from the list & the list is empty :\ | |
| 16:59 | owen | paul, I get some results |
| 16:59 | paul | :\ |
| 16:59 | atz | probably date formatting on the input |
| 16:59 | paul | do you have an access to your DB directly ? |
| 16:59 | could you tell me what is in waitingdate field ? | |
| 16:59 | (for me it's always '0000-00-00') | |
| 16:59 | owen | Is that the reserves table? |
| 16:59 | paul | yes, sorry |
| 17:00 | owen | For me it's either NULL or has a valid date. I don't have any '0000-00-00' |
| 17:00 | paul | mmm... sorry, for me it's null too |
| 17:11 | owen : for reserves lines with priority=0 and found='W' do you have a waitingdate ? | |
| 17:12 | owen | Yes |
| 17:13 | paul | then my problem is here. |
| 17:13 | the next question being to understand why I don't have a waitingdate when a reserve is filled... | |
| 17:30 | tim | owen: I missed one of your questions. Yes. /prog/en is in the paths in <head> for scripts, css and the shortcut icon. |
| 17:32 | paul: My reserves table has the same problem as yours. | |
| 17:32 | but I hope some day I'll get up to the status of really poor hacker. | |
| 17:43 | atz | paul: you should probably replace 0000-00-00 with null in waitingdate field. |
| 17:43 | all (or conservatively, almost all) of the "0000-00-00" code should be deprecated by now | |
| 17:54 | tim | I was wrong. Mine is not exactly like pauls. Mine are all null. No 000-00-00 |
| 18:00 | atz | there was old code that seeded "0000-00-00" as default data |
| 18:00 | but newer installs shouldn't see any of that | |
| 18:33 | owen | Are icons for CCODE working? If so, what am I missing? |
| 18:56 | paul | OK, I understand my problem with reserves table : the waitingdate field did not exist in 2.2 It is created NULL on upgrade. I'll investigate for a way to fill it with something when upgrading |
| 19:20 | atz : in fact, there is no 0000-00-00 in reserves.waitingdate, just NULL. but the NULL is a problem for reserves with priority=0 & type=W | |
| 19:20 | a newly created reserve has a date. It's a migration problem. | |
| 19:20 | i'll investigate tomorrow | |
| 19:44 | tim | My install has a system preference called noOPACUserLogin. I had to add one called opacuserlogin and set it to yes to get a login on my opac. |
| 19:44 | Has anyone else had to do that? | |
| 19:48 | That fixed my actions links. | |
| 20:17 | acmoore | is koha supposed to be able to run on a version 4.something of mysql or just 5.something? |
| 22:20 | chris | hmm http://gmlc.wordpress.com/2008[…]oha-project-news/ |
| 22:22 | acmoore: the unicode/utf8 support in mysql 4 is not nearly as good as 5, but you can run it on 4 | |
| 22:26 | thd | chris: the Vermont Koha project fact sheet indicates an interest in scaling up Koha to their needs, http://www.stowelibrary.org/fi[…]ha_Fact_Sheet.pdf . What do you think they mean by that? |
| 22:29 | chris | i think they havent been keeping track of koha development |
| 22:29 | and their assumptions are based on 2.2.9 | |
| 22:29 | also i dont think they understand free software/open source :) | |
| 22:30 | ie they say this | |
| 22:30 | This means there are likely | |
| 22:30 | hundreds or thousands of people, in Koha’s case, with library and/or computer | |
| 22:30 | programming experience working at any given time to improve the software. | |
| 22:30 | but then they want to splinter off, and lose that benefit | |
| 22:32 | i suspect the same thing that will happen with the south american libraries | |
| 22:33 | sorry, the same that happened with the south american version of koha, will happen with the vermont version | |
| 22:33 | gmcharlt | chris: they need to be strongly encouraged to contribute back to consensus Koha |
| 22:34 | chris | yep |
| 22:34 | and engage with the community | |
| 22:34 | gmcharlt | but I'm all for libraries getting together to employ a programmer to hack on open source library software |
| 22:34 | chris | oh definitely |
| 22:35 | gmcharlt | libraries need to encourage and develop organic programming capacity |
| 22:35 | chris | but i think if you talk with the community, you might find out the features you want arent as vermont specific as you thought |
| 22:35 | gmcharlt | and not just rely on steenking vendors ;) |
| 22:35 | chris | yep, im all for that |
| 22:35 | its the creating a new version i think is a bad idea | |
| 22:36 | gmcharlt | forks often are - particular ones made from a lack of understanding about how open software projects work |
| 22:36 | chris | yup |
| 22:37 | theres even less need for a fork with git | |
| 22:38 | back in the old cvs days, if you didnt have commit access, well a fork was about all you could do | |
| 22:38 | now you can cherry-pick, branch, merge, to your hearts content :) | |
| 22:39 | thd | tumer's fork was probably necessary for him to make the progress he needed in a reasonable time frame |
| 22:39 | chris | yep, he did commit it all though |
| 22:40 | as was the liblime dev_week | |
| 22:40 | they were more branches, but with cvs its a nightmare to merge back in | |
| 22:41 | thd | yet, tumer was working for a long time making great improvements before he gave the community any notion of what he was doing |
| 22:41 | chris | hmm |
| 22:41 | he was pretty open on irc and the devel list with what he was doing | |
| 22:42 | i wonder if nicole wants to go to vermont? :) | |
| 22:42 | thd | chris: I mean before that he had a few messages about Turkish character support without commenting upon what he had been working towards |
| 22:44 | chris: One can imagine that others have efforts at making improvements in more modest ways and do not try to communicate well about them to the larger community | |
| 22:46 | chris | yep |
| 22:46 | gmcharlt | thd: which is actually one of things I think we'll need to be careful about as we think about things like expanded unit test coverage - don't want to make the barrier to entry so high that somebody who makes a small change feels too intimidated to contribute it |
| 22:46 | chris | good point |
| 22:47 | the barrier for koha has always been pretty low, which i think is a good thing | |
| 22:49 | thd | gmcharlt: unit tests should not be designed to do perhaps not much more than ensure that valid data at input is still valid data at output and has not been corrupted by the system along the way. |
| 22:51 | chris | we do a bunch of work here with moodle |
| 22:51 | gmcharlt | thd: necessary but not sufficient, IMO - unit tests should also provide some indication that the desired functionality is actually occurring; regression tests should verify that bugs don't reoccur |
| 22:51 | chris | i wonder if we could do some classes, via moodle |
| 22:51 | how to write a test case | |
| 22:51 | etc | |
| 22:52 | gmcharlt | chris: interesting idea |
| 22:53 | chris | something a bit more interactive, than reading a wiki page |
| 22:53 | thd | gmcharlt: just as importantly, tests should show that invalid data that manages to sneak in does not break the system. However, programming for robustness modelled on biological systems is still too inefficient in terms of CPU time if not programming time |
| 22:54 | chris | koha dev 101 :-) |
| 22:54 | gmcharlt | chris: you mean you've never had a wiki page try to edit you? |
| 22:55 | chris | in soviet russia maybe :) |
| 22:56 | gmcharlt | thd: I'm curious - modelled on biological systems? genetic algorithm type approaches? |
| 22:58 | thd | gmcharlt: Gerald Sussman and colleagues at MIT teach a course about true system robustness. |
| 22:59 | Gerald Sussman usually gives a presentation about that work at FSF associate member meetings each year. | |
| 23:00 | I made a summary of what he presented a couple of years ago. I thought it was fascinating. | |
| 23:01 | If you have a cut on your hand you do not expect to die. Your code should also be that robust but no ones code is. | |
| 23:04 | gmcharlt | thd-fr-lesson: thanks - you've given me something interesting to pursue |
| 00:05 | atz | nobody's code is that robust... but on the other hand, very few ppl's code needs to be. |
| 00:05 | i.e., nobody dies because of OPAC errors. | |
| 00:06 | at least, not directly | |
| 00:51 | chris | http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome |
| 00:52 | its currently extruded a new bracket for itself | |
| 00:52 | extruding even | |
| 00:52 | its very tempting to just go stare at it instead of poking at oracle | |
| 00:54 | atz | chris: your link crashed my firefox/chatzilla |
| 00:54 | :\ | |
| 00:55 | chris | doh, sorry |
| 00:55 | http://reprap.org/pub/Main/Web[…]/darwin-small.jpg | |
| 00:55 | hopefully that one doesnt | |
| 00:55 | you can get one, its licensed under the GPL :) | |
| 00:55 | atz | it also crashes if I try to print preview on certain docs... but only on mac |
| 00:56 | chris | weird |
| 00:56 | atz | is that a 3D printer? |
| 00:57 | chris | yep |
| 00:57 | RepRap is short for Replicating Rapid-prototyper. It is the practical self-copying 3D printer shown on the right - a self-replicating machine. | |
| 00:57 | atz | sweet |
| 00:57 | chris | This technology already exists, but the cheapest commercial machine would cost you about €30,000. And it isn't even designed so that it can make itself. |
| 00:57 | So what the RepRap team are doing is to develop and to give away the designs for a much cheaper machine with the novel capability of being able to self-copy (material costs are about €400). | |
| 00:57 | Following the principles of the Free Software Movement we are distributing the RepRap machine at no cost to everyone under the GNU General Public Licence. So, if you have a RepRap machine, you can make another and give it to a friend... | |
| 00:58 | atz | how can it remake the steel bars? |
| 00:58 | chris | http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/RepRapOneDarwin <-- if that link doesnt crash |
| 00:58 | that tells ya | |
| 00:58 | atz | i.e., what counts as "materials"? |
| 00:59 | cool, loads ok | |
| 01:00 | chris | as i said, its fairly distracting to have in the office :) |
| 01:00 | atz | it's like a poor man's CNC |
| 01:01 | chris | pretty much yep |
| 01:05 | masonj | heya chris |
| 01:06 | chris | hey mason |
| 01:06 | hows things? | |
| 01:06 | masonj | telstra has been wiggy all week ;( |
| 01:07 | chris | hmm mine has been ok |
| 01:07 | but im on a different subnet | |
| 01:07 | (i run this irc client in a screen on my machine at home) | |
| 01:07 | masonj | nice |
| 03:32 | chris | hmm is bugzilla down? |
| 07:37 | evening | |
| 07:40 | lloyd_ | hola |
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