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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:34 | kados | hdl: are you around? |
| 12:01 | fbcit | hi kados |
| 12:34 | hdl | hi kados : now yes. |
| 12:49 | nengard | hdl and fbcit i think kados is travelling now |
| 12:50 | just fyi | |
| 12:50 | hdl | Too bad. |
| 12:51 | fbcit | nengard: how's that manual coming? :) |
| 12:51 | nengard | fbcit on hold while i do other work for the minute, but josh installed all patches so i should be back on track on monday |
| 12:52 | hdl | nengard: were you at openlibrary meeting. |
| 12:53 | nengard | hdl nope - i was at a meeting in NJ about the next generation academic library system - aka - open source for academic libraries - i'm writing up summaries today from that |
| 12:55 | fbcit | hi hdl |
| 12:55 | hdl | hi fbcit. |
| 12:56 | owen : why have opacsmallimage disappeared from OPAC ? Is there a reason ? | |
| 12:59 | nengard | hdl & owen - wasn't it the large image that was supposed to diappear? do i need to go back and edit the manual? |
| 12:59 | hdl | Not at all nengard. |
| 12:59 | nengard | okey dokey |
| 13:00 | hdl | But I saw that opacsmallimage seemed not to be used in templates. |
| 13:00 | And I wondered if it was a mistake or a purpose. | |
| 13:00 | owen | Is it no longer in masthead.inc? |
| 13:01 | hdl | Yes. Sorry. |
| 13:02 | Some users asked me about that today. I think it is becaus they use an old version. | |
| 13:58 | hi tinaburger | |
| 14:34 | owen | Testing out jquery table sorting: http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrar[…]es.pl?viewshelf=7 |
| 14:55 | hdl | owen : that's quite cool. |
| 14:55 | Is this a big change ? | |
| 14:58 | owen | It requries the addition of one jquery plugin file, and some javascript added to the page |
| 14:58 | gmcharlt | hi all |
| 14:59 | a new programmer is starting at LL next week | |
| 15:00 | I'm thinking of starting him off by implementing the Google Book Availability API in the OPAC bib details page (ref http://code.google.com/apis/books/) | |
| 15:00 | wanted to double-check whether anybody has already started working on it | |
| 15:02 | owen | How about putting him on some bugs first? |
| 15:02 | gmcharlt | oh, I |
| 15:03 | oh I'll do that too, but I think it's important to balance that with giving the new guy an actual feature to implement | |
| 15:03 | fbcit | owen: very smooth! |
| 15:03 | owen | :) |
| 15:03 | fbcit | re: table sorting that is, heh |
| 15:04 | hi gmcharlt | |
| 15:04 | gmcharlt | hi fbcit |
| 15:05 | owen | Oh, yeah fbcit, the tablesorter plugin is very cool and so easy to implement |
| 15:05 | I added a little function for ignoring articles when sorting, which seems to work well for English, but I'm not sure of the best way to internationalize it | |
| 15:05 | ...or even if the whole thing will work with other languages | |
| 15:06 | fbcit | is the entire thing jquery? |
| 15:06 | gmchralt: I think koha needs to integrate with www.bookfinder.com | |
| 15:07 | gmcharlt, even | |
| 15:07 | owen | fbcit, the jquery plugin processes the table which is generated by the template. So users with no js will just see the old unsorted table |
| 15:08 | fbcit | nice |
| 15:08 | gmcharlt | owen: is the plugin purely client side? or does it have the ability to implement a callback to fetch more data? I'm thinking of a case where the dataset is big enough that only part of it is displayed at any one time |
| 15:10 | owen | There is a "pager" plugin that will create a paged table for you, but that's if you're outputting the whole thing to the page at once. |
| 15:10 | I'm sure there are ways to do what you describe, but I haven't gotten that far | |
| 15:10 | hdl | good. |
| 15:12 | owen | http://tablesorter.com/docs/example-pager.html As you can see, when you use that method you have to wait for the whole table to load first |
| 15:12 | Seems like that would be useful if you weren't outputting too much data, but had limited space to display it in | |
| 15:12 | gmcharlt | fbcit: re bookfinder.com, wouldn't be hard to provide link from the bib page to the bookfinder results |
| 15:13 | not seeing mention of any other kind of API, though | |
| 15:13 | fbcit | I did not see one either |
| 15:13 | but passing in the isbn or... via cgi params would work I think | |
| 15:14 | bookfinder searchs other large booksellers, including Amazon, abe, etc. | |
| 15:14 | gmcharlt | yeah: http://www.bookfinder.com/interact/link/search/ |
| 15:14 | owen | I don't think my commit has been approved yet, but I just added a "search for this title in..." block to opac-detail: http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrar[…]?biblionumber=460 |
| 15:15 | fbcit | gmcharlt: it does not look too hard to add |
| 15:16 | owen: a bookfinder link would fit nicely there | |
| 15:16 | owen | Also see Bug 1934 |
| 15:16 | gmcharlt | yeah - build on what owen has done, make sure that common identifiers like ISBN, LCCN, OCLC#, etc. are readily available in the details page, and it would be simple to put in links to anything that has a sensible linking structure |
| 15:17 | fbcit | gmcharlt: is the google books feature a replacement for the amazon interface? |
| 15:17 | or an alternative? | |
| 15:17 | gmcharlt | suppose one possibility is wrapping that up in a nice admin interface, so that you don't have to necessarily edit the templates directly, just store the list of external services links and their URL formats |
| 15:18 | fbcit: an alternative | |
| 15:18 | the API queries Google for the availability of the full text of the book | |
| 15:18 | and from that, you can build a link to as much of the scanned book as Google thinks you have rights to | |
| 15:19 | and actually, more of a supplement, not an alternative, necessarily | |
| 15:19 | fbcit | how does Google determine what it thinks? |
| 15:19 | gmcharlt | afaik, based on source IP address (as proxy for your country/legal environment), and copyright date of the book, and whether publishers have requested that individual books be yanked |
| 16:49 | irma | Hi all |
| 16:50 | What do you do if a library wants to store info for a MARC subfiled that does not have a corresponding place in the Koha tables? | |
| 16:50 | The case in point is 651$a where 650$a maps to bibiosubject.subject but there is no field for geographic subject. | |
| 16:50 | That is, if the bibliosubject table had a field called geogsubject (for example) we could map 651$a to it. | |
| 16:50 | How does one handle this sutualtion? | |
| 16:50 | situation? | |
| 16:52 | Is anyone online able to give me some pointers? | |
| 16:54 | owen | irma, there's no problem with that per se. |
| 16:55 | Is the data not displaying correctly for you? | |
| 16:57 | Sorry, gotta run | |
| 17:04 | irma | Thanks Owen. When reports are run the library would like to have data from 650$a activity seperated from 651$a but in Koha 2.2.9 they are combined. |
| 17:05 | I don't know how to add 651 to the bibliosubject table | |
| 17:06 | Does that make sense? | |
| 18:55 | atz | owen: how does the YUI stuff work for XHTML operations? |
| 18:55 | it seems like we start with links, and then turn them into buttons? | |
| 19:00 | owen | Are you asking about validity? |
| 19:01 | atz | no, just convention/acessibility |
| 19:01 | *acc | |
| 19:02 | working on tagging... OCLS wants to be able to add tags from the results list | |
| 19:02 | owen | Mostly it's just extra markup getting added to the DOM as hooks for CSS |
| 19:02 | For example: | |
| 19:03 | This: <a id="editpatron" href="/cgi-bin/koha/members/memberentry.pl?op=modify&destination=circ&borrowernumber=51&categorycode=PT">Edit</a> | |
| 19:03 | ...get's turned into this: | |
| 19:03 | <span class="yui-button yui-link-button" id="editpatron"><span class="first-child"><a href="/cgi-bin/koha/members/memberentry.pl?op=modify&destination=circ&borrowernumber=51&categorycode=PT">Edit</a></span></span> | |
| 19:03 | atz | interesting |
| 19:04 | owen | I'm not sure what you mean by 'add tags from the results list' |
| 19:04 | atz | the basic idea is tagging of biblios, like flickr (for example) |
| 19:05 | i can do this easily by linking to an "opac-add-tag.pl?biblionumber=xxx" | |
| 19:05 | but they want to be able to add them without leaving the results list | |
| 19:06 | which would involve some xhtml request in js | |
| 19:13 | owen | So atz, you're picturing people adding tags to records from the results list? |
| 19:14 | atz | right |
| 19:15 | crude mockup here: http://atz.dev.kohalibrary.com[…]-search.pl?q=dogs | |
| 19:15 | showing both the form/button style and the regular link style (for which the input box would be useless) | |
| 19:22 | owen | I would think the link would expand the form box |
| 19:22 | Wouldn't it make more sense to add tags from the detail page? | |
| 19:23 | atz | check any of the details pages :) |
| 19:23 | in fact both are in their commissioned specs | |
| 19:24 | i have sysprefs that toggle them though | |
| 19:24 | i know you don't like the clutter in your pretty layout | |
| 19:24 | owen | :) |
| 19:25 | Are tags separated by spaces, commas? | |
| 19:25 | atz | commas |
| 19:25 | but i don't think the backend is working for that yet | |
| 19:25 | there is a whole layer of moderation they require | |
| 19:26 | so ppl can't fill their opac w/ obscenities | |
| 19:26 | owen | That sounds good. |
| 19:27 | OCLS? | |
| 19:27 | atz | orange county |
| 19:28 | owen | I see. That's great that we have a sponsor for tagging. |
| 19:28 | atz | yeah, they are very interesting in advanced functionality |
| 19:28 | SMS, shelfari, etc. | |
| 19:29 | *interested | |
| 19:31 | what would be *really* slick is have a backend for harvesting/aggregating the tags from other Kohas | |
| 19:32 | so little rural library X doesn't have to rely on their small patron pool to do all the lifting | |
| 19:33 | or so you can pull in all tags from professional libraries | |
| 19:33 | but that is for later | |
| 19:34 | owen | atz, is intended for 3.0? 3.2? |
| 19:35 | atz | that's a question for somebody else, methinks |
| 19:35 | all I know is it's intended for demo next thursday | |
| 19:36 | owen | Let me know if I can help squeeze that stuff into my pretty layout ;) |
| 19:37 | atz | sure thing |
| 19:42 | ccatalfo | atz, this will be cool! Since i have jquery docs open, dunno if you're familiar with it's ajax requests. doc for post is here: http://docs.jquery.com/Ajax/jQ[…]ldatacallbacktype |
| 19:43 | atz | nice |
| 19:44 | do we already use jquery in non-biblios Koha? | |
| 19:45 | owen | We've got a fair amount of jquery in the opac and the intranet |
| 19:45 | atz | cool |
| 19:45 | owen | Even with the YUI stuff I often fall back on jquery to get stuff done I don't know how to do with YUI |
| 20:05 | atz | i think that jquery will work fine |
| 20:58 | owen | Evening all |
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