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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:54 | gmcharlt | custard: on Debian, those sockets get created automatically when Zebra starts up |
| 11:54 | I'll have to play around with it on the Mac to see if I can figure out what's going on | |
| 12:14 | custard | Thanks. |
| 14:22 | gmcharlt | custard: so it looks like the issue is why the installer didn't create that directory |
| 14:33 | custard | gmcharlt: I missed the first bit, but I think we've both got to the same point. Missing directories, hence nowhere to write the files. |
| 14:33 | gmcharlt | yep; just need to figure out why the installer is failing to create that directory on OS X |
| 14:42 | custard | sounds like time to go rummaging through some files. |
| 14:48 | but I think some sleep first. | |
| 14:48 | gmcharlt | ok -- good night :) |
| 14:49 | custard | and to you too. Thanks for looking into that. |
| 14:49 | paul | s/quickly/soon/ |
| 14:49 | gmcharlt | yeah, not quite dark yet in Chicago :) |
| 17:55 | fbcit | chris around? |
| 18:01 | owen | fbcit: It's a little early for NZ folks |
| 19:23 | CGI111 | Can anyone kindly assist me with a problem I'm having? |
| 22:05 | Deb | hi, just testing my irc. |
| 22:06 | Do you see this? | |
| 22:06 | Anyone? | |
| 22:08 | chris | |
| 22:14 | mj, can you see me? | |
| 22:14 | mj | i deb |
| 22:14 | i can see you | |
| 22:14 | Deb | great |
| 22:14 | mj | that's the reason I came online |
| 22:14 | Deb | I just set up this irc |
| 22:14 | thank you!!!! | |
| 22:14 | mj | read your email, and happened to sit at my pc |
| 22:15 | Deb | I'm using mirc having tried chatzilla |
| 22:15 | mj | i'll see if i can attend tomorrow as well |
| 22:15 | Deb | Anyway it looks like I have it working. |
| 22:15 | mj | right, i'm via the web irc clent |
| 22:15 | on koha.org | |
| 22:15 | Deb | That'd be great. |
| 22:15 | Yes, I didn't want to use that web irc client | |
| 22:15 | mj | yep, so i guess I'll see you tomorrow. |
| 22:15 | Deb | Others may be using it. |
| 22:15 | thanks mj | |
| 22:15 | mj | (though i don't know what to expect...) |
| 22:16 | Deb | oh--don't go just yet |
| 22:16 | jo | (Jo is sitting here in Nz feeling slightly embarrassed that I am here a day early ...) |
| 22:16 | Deb | jo, i'm lol |
| 22:16 | mj | i'm still here |
| 22:16 | jo | I am too .. now |
| 22:16 | Deb | mj I'll send out a note stating what to expect |
| 22:16 | mj | oh that's good. |
| 22:16 | Deb | I'm a little late on the uptake due to real job |
| 22:16 | jo | see you tomorow then! |
| 22:16 | Deb | see you both then! |
| 22:16 | mj | (even then, I'm not sure what i could ADD, but we'll see...) |
| 22:16 | Deb | thanks! |
| 22:17 | mj, please come | |
| 22:17 | you'll add lots, trust me! | |
| 22:17 | mj | haha |
| 22:17 | i'll try to be there. | |
| 22:17 | Deb | it's all about getting a group together and sharing |
| 22:17 | thoughts and expectations | |
| 22:17 | great | |
| 22:17 | toodles for now! | |
| 22:17 | mj | see you tomorrow. |
| 22:18 | Deb | yep. |
| 22:18 | btw are you mj the developer? | |
| 22:18 | mj | oh no. :-) |
| 22:18 | i need to change a different nick | |
| 22:18 | Deb | you do wind surfing? |
| 22:18 | in NZ? | |
| 22:18 | mj | mj happen to be my first initials... |
| 22:19 | Deb | oh |
| 22:19 | mj | i'll be mouk tomorrow |
| 22:19 | Deb | never mind --Gilda Radner style. |
| 22:19 | what's mouk? | |
| 22:19 | mj | avoid confusion... |
| 22:19 | my nick tomorrow | |
| 22:19 | Deb | oh |
| 22:19 | mj | nickname |
| 22:19 | Deb | whatever. mj is fine |
| 22:19 | custard | Deb: EST your time? |
| 22:20 | Deb | right now? it's 4:22pm |
| 22:20 | oh, no EST is East Coast | |
| 22:20 | I'm in the Midwest--Minneapolis, mn | |
| 22:20 | CST | |
| 22:20 | custard | (just found a post about the IRC meeting and trying work out when it is where I am) |
| 22:20 | Deb | where are you? |
| 22:21 | custard | west aus. |
| 22:21 | Deb | Did you see the post about the time zones? |
| 22:21 | on the Koha listserv? | |
| 22:21 | custard | no, but I'll go looking for it now. |
| 22:22 | Deb | Rick sent it and has a link to determine the time. |
| 22:22 | mj | http://www.timeanddate.com/ |
| 22:22 | Deb | I'm not so good with time zones or dates. |
| 22:22 | thanks mj | |
| 22:22 | will one of you stay on this channel for 5 more minutes? | |
| 22:23 | I want to log off and log back in. | |
| 22:23 | JoRansom | I will |
| 22:23 | mj | i will, max 10 |
| 22:23 | JoRansom | Hi Deb |
| 22:23 | custard | EST is also Eastern Standard Time, ie what Sydney when it's not doing that wacky daylight saving thing, and given Koha's NZ afiilliations that was vaugely concievable. |
| 22:24 | JoRansom | its 11.23am in NZ |
| 22:24 | Deb | Hi again. I disconnected and reconnected all by myself |
| 22:24 | JoRansom | so the meeting tomorrow is 9am NZ time I think |
| 22:24 | Deb | how 'bout that?! |
| 22:24 | Let me think. | |
| 22:24 | JoRansom | well done |
| 22:25 | Deb | 3pm EST is 9am NZ time. |
| 22:25 | so Jo you are correct. | |
| 22:25 | I believe a few folks plan to join the conversation | |
| 22:26 | from NZ and AU | |
| 22:26 | matthewboh | Deb Bergeron? |
| 22:26 | Deb | Yes. Who are you? |
| 22:26 | matthewboh | Matt - got your email about checking IRC - so yes, you're on |
| 22:26 | Deb | I can't tell by the nickname. |
| 22:26 | Thanks! | |
| 22:27 | matthewboh | np - hopefully see you tomorrow |
| 22:27 | Deb | I better go. I've got to help someone else get an IRC. |
| 22:31 | custard | oi, now that's an early start. Kicks of at 0500 here. |
| 22:36 | mj | 0500...! and planning to attend? |
| 22:38 | custard | I was thinking about listening/watching. Having a few second thoughts, but we'll see when I get to bed tonight. |
| 22:38 | mj | maybe you can read to logs afterwards. |
| 22:38 | the | |
| 22:39 | custard | that might be an idea. |
| 22:41 | mj | so see you tomorrow perhaps. |
| 22:41 | bye bye | |
| 22:41 | custard | ok. see you. |
| 23:16 | daberge02 | rickw |
| 23:16 | are you still on? | |
| 23:21 | anyone here? | |
| 23:39 | saskia | testing |
| 23:43 | rickw | hello saskia |
| 23:43 | you aren't "deb" yb any chance, R U? | |
| 23:43 | daberge02 - R U you "deb" ? | |
| 23:44 | CGI093 - R U using the web-based client ? | |
| 23:44 | CGI093 | No, I'm not. Yes, I'm using web-client |
| 23:44 | rickw | okay |
| 23:44 | CGI093 | just testing for tomorrow |
| 23:44 | rickw | the prob with the web-based client is your nick is not too informative :) |
| 23:45 | try: /nick mynickname | |
| 23:45 | is deb bergeron here? | |
| 23:46 | saskia | I think she has already left |
| 23:46 | rickw | okay i' |
| 23:46 | ll wait for her to rejoin | |
| 23:46 | is the KUDOS meeting going to be on this channel? | |
| 23:46 | saskia | I think so |
| 23:46 | rickw | okay |
| 23:46 | there will be a lot of nicks of the form CGInnn tomorrow :( | |
| 23:47 | saskia | then we will have to remind them to pick a nickname will we |
| 23:48 | ok, this works | |
| 23:48 | see you tomorrow | |
| 23:48 | rickw | orkee dorkee |
| 00:07 | Deb | rick? |
| 00:08 | Anyone? | |
| 00:17 | rickw | hello deb |
| 00:17 | Deb | finally! |
| 00:17 | we connect | |
| 00:17 | rickw | yup |
| 00:17 | Deb | I'm new to IRC clients |
| 00:17 | rickw | it is easy as cake |
| 00:18 | or a piece of pie :) | |
| 00:18 | Deb | so I'm sitting here playing with it |
| 00:18 | right--not! | |
| 00:18 | rickw | which client R U using? |
| 00:18 | Deb | mirc |
| 00:18 | I don't think it's free | |
| 00:18 | rickw | good ... much better than the web interface |
| 00:18 | Deb | I tried ff chatzilla first and couldn't figure it out |
| 00:18 | rickw | i dunno about free ... i am using a Unix hsell client |
| 00:18 | shell not hsell | |
| 00:18 | Deb | of course you are! |
| 00:18 | I'm on a windows machine! | |
| 00:19 | rickw | i am so sorry for you! |
| 00:19 | Deb | sorry for the flurry of !!!! |
| 00:19 | rickw | !!!! no prob !!!! |
| 00:19 | Deb | me to :-(( |
| 00:19 | rickw | i can pm (private messazge you() like this |
| 00:19 | Deb | could you help me understand something |
| 00:19 | rickw | no-one else can see the pm |
| 00:19 | yes ? | |
| 00:20 | Deb | that's nifty |
| 00:20 | rickw | you just did ... when you reply to a pm it should open a new IRC chat window |
| 00:20 | Deb | how do I do it? |
| 00:20 | Ya, but how do I do it from scratch? | |
| 00:20 | rickw | okay: /msg rickw hi therer rick |
| 00:20 | (all commands start with a slahs /) | |
| 00:20 | slash | |
| 00:21 | and no-one else sees that :) | |
| 00:21 | you had a question? | |
| 00:21 | Deb | Yes |
| 00:21 | I'm connected to citylink | |
| 00:22 | what is that and how is it related to katipo? | |
| 00:23 | rickw | there a thousnads of IRC servers on the Interweb |
| 00:23 | Deb | ok |
| 00:23 | rickw | and they can talk to each other and relay messages |
| 00:23 | Deb | ok |
| 00:23 | rickw | we are on the same server |
| 00:23 | you emailed me for my phone nuymber | |
| 00:23 | do you want to call me in Aysney Aus? | |
| 00:23 | Sudney | |
| 00:23 | Deb | I thought the server was irc.katipo.something... |
| 00:23 | phone call--I wasn't sure I was doing this | |
| 00:24 | correctly, the IRCing, so I thought if we chatted v2v | |
| 00:24 | with our computers in front of us I would know I've connected | |
| 00:24 | properly. | |
| 00:24 | I don't know why I kept missing you. | |
| 00:24 | rickw | if you are on channel #Koha and can see the other nicknames, you have connected OKAY |
| 00:25 | i have been on this channel for hours :) | |
| 00:25 | Deb | that's what I thought. I did it correctly the first time. |
| 00:25 | rickw | i have watched you come and go |
| 00:25 | but sometimes i was away from my desk | |
| 00:25 | Deb | embarrassed |
| 00:25 | rickw | newbie! |
| 00:25 | Deb | yep |
| 00:25 | rickw | you can express something about yourself like this: /me is embarrased |
| 00:25 | e.g. | |
| 00:26 | Deb | I see names on the right. Are all of those people on? |
| 00:26 | rickw | yes |
| 00:26 | Deb | how'd you do that? |
| 00:26 | rickw | they are called nicks |
| 00:26 | how do i do what? | |
| 00:26 | Deb | yep, i know they're nicks |
| 00:26 | why don't they answer when I write 'anyone there?' | |
| 00:26 | make your name purple? | |
| 00:27 | rickw | because they don't care to or they are not at their computers |
| 00:27 | i didn't make my name purple ... your client did | |
| 00:27 | is that the "blushes" bit? | |
| 00:27 | Deb | oh |
| 00:27 | yes, the blushes. | |
| 00:27 | rickw | do this: /me hiccups |
| 00:27 | see above: you can express something about yourself like this: /me is embarrased | |
| 00:27 | Deb | where can I learn the commands? |
| 00:27 | rickw | help is your friend |
| 00:28 | there are lots and lots of IRC commands | |
| 00:28 | Deb | yes I just need to know the syntax |
| 00:28 | rickw | oops |
| 00:28 | i made a mess | |
| 00:28 | i just type in this: /help | |
| 00:28 | Deb | I was used to being in MUDD's previously for school |
| 00:28 | of course | |
| 00:29 | didn't have time to look at help today | |
| 00:29 | rickw | the important thing on IRC is seurity (like with anything on the Net) |
| 00:29 | Deb | did you have an opportunity to look at the email I sent? |
| 00:29 | rickw | if someone sends you a file or something else unsolicited, think twice before accepting it |
| 00:29 | Deb | ok |
| 00:29 | rickw | it is best to "Just say no" unless you asked for a file to be sent to you |
| 00:29 | Deb | so I should really have a real nickname |
| 00:30 | rickw | and *never* lanuch an application that someone sends you -- good way to get a virus |
| 00:30 | Deb | never do |
| 00:30 | rickw | you have a real nickname. it is Deb |
| 00:30 | Deb | but it's my real name |
| 00:30 | rickw | that's fine |
| 00:30 | Deb | ok |
| 00:30 | rickw | some geeks like strange nicks like W00bl1es |
| 00:30 | and that kind of crap | |
| 00:30 | Deb | that's all fine but I get confused |
| 00:30 | rickw | why? |
| 00:31 | Deb | I can't keep them straight |
| 00:31 | in school I'd meet the people on our MUDD and I had to try to keep their names and avatars correct in my head. Couldn't do it. | |
| 00:31 | rickw | oh |
| 00:32 | it is like any ocnversation ... i just focus on two or three people at a time | |
| 00:32 | even when there a hundred on the channel | |
| 00:32 | i think it will become quite chaotic tomorrow for KUDOS if there are more than ten people on the channel all yacking at the same time! | |
| 00:32 | Deb | that was the problem. We had 25 people and all met via the MUDD for class every week. |
| 00:33 | Good news--I type fast and can keep several threads going at once. | |
| 00:33 | so can we have a private chat now? | |
| 00:33 | rickw | i am a bit busy |
| 00:33 | other things to do | |
| 00:33 | Deb | ok |
| 00:33 | rickw | did you want to ask something specific? |
| 00:33 | Deb | no, just play. |
| 00:34 | will you be at the meeting tomorrow? | |
| 00:34 | And did you see the email? | |
| 00:34 | rickw | i saw amny emails from you |
| 00:34 | yes, i will try to be up at 7:00am tomorrow | |
| 00:34 | and I will capture it all in a log file | |
| 00:34 | Deb | oh my! |
| 00:35 | the one about the meeting and what we'll 'discuss' | |
| 00:35 | do you have any thoughts? | |
| 00:35 | did I miss something? | |
| 00:35 | should I add something? | |
| 00:35 | rickw | h5 |
| 00:36 | Deb | what's 'h5' |
| 00:36 | rickw | hang five (seconds) |
| 00:36 | or "wait a sec" | |
| 00:36 | okay ... read the email | |
| 00:36 | lokos good | |
| 00:36 | Deb | great |
| 00:36 | rickw | i would avise poeple using the web-based chat to assign themsevles a nick |
| 00:36 | otherwise their nick lloks like CGI0182 | |
| 00:36 | yuck | |
| 00:37 | Deb | right. How do you do that again? Is it /nick |
| 00:37 | rickw | all theyhave to do is this: /nick idiothead |
| 00:37 | idiothead | LOL |
| 00:37 | Deb | right |
| 00:37 | idiothead | i am an idiot |
| 00:37 | ricko | good! yo re geeting the hang of it |
| 00:37 | you aonly need to learn a few commands | |
| 00:38 | Deb | what is your job? and are you in AU? |
| 00:38 | ricko | not all 15609 of them! |
| 00:38 | in AU, doing computer consulting,mentoring | |
| 00:38 | installing Koha on for clients | |
| 00:38 | e.g. smsa.praxi.biz is a new one we are currently working on | |
| 00:38 | Deb | do you support koha in the same way LibLime does in the U.S.? |
| 00:38 | ricko | no |
| 00:39 | very small enterprise at this end :) | |
| 00:39 | okay .. caught up with work | |
| 00:39 | Deb | love to talk to you about it when you have time and off the IRC |
| 00:40 | ricko | Australia said "Sorry" to the indigeonous peoples (aborigines) here yesterday. a great day and a move forwards for everyone |
| 00:40 | i was just posing the Candaian case example about "Sorry" (Canada did it 10 years ago) | |
| 00:40 | are you in America? | |
| 00:40 | Deb | i have no idea what you mean |
| 00:40 | yes | |
| 00:40 | ricko | okay |
| 00:40 | Deb | in America |
| 00:41 | ricko | in Canada, (I am Canadian) the government took chilkdren away from native families and housed them in state-run schoosls |
| 00:41 | Deb | why? |
| 00:41 | ricko | in an attempt to "whiten" them and integrate them into white culture |
| 00:41 | it was a terrible thing to do ... and didnot work | |
| 00:41 | Deb | no suprise there |
| 00:41 | ricko | it alienated a lot of young poeple and they never saw their families again |
| 00:41 | Deb | were you one of them? |
| 00:42 | ricko | Canada apoligsed to the First Nation people and now pays the victims compensataion. |
| 00:42 | Ausstalia began the process yesterday. | |
| 00:42 | it is about time. | |
| 00:42 | no, i am of Ukrainian + Scots descent | |
| 00:42 | Deb | ok I understand your point now. |
| 00:42 | ricko | but the situation is very easy to understand: imagine if you were removed from your family at the age of thee and never saw any of them again. sigh. |
| 00:42 | Deb | does that mean you're very frugal--scottish part |
| 00:42 | ricko | yes, frugal |
| 00:43 | i don't have a car ... i ride a bike. it is cheazr! | |
| 00:43 | i am installing solar hot water ... t is chearper to run! | |
| 00:43 | i make dinnner ... it is cheaper than eating out. | |
| 00:43 | well, i jest. | |
| 00:43 | Deb | wow! I want solar soooo bad |
| 00:43 | ricko | Sydney has the best restuarant/cafe culuter in the world and I love eating out! |
| 00:43 | the solar will cost $3700 | |
| 00:43 | but the govbernment then rebates me about $1800 | |
| 00:44 | Deb | lol. I don't eat out much. Cook myself. |
| 00:44 | ricko | so it comes out to being about 2 x the cost of electric hot water |
| 00:44 | but it uses 70% less electricity | |
| 00:44 | so it pays for itslf in about 3 years | |
| 00:44 | Deb | In the U.S. solar is very expensive. |
| 00:44 | ricko | which city are you in? |
| 00:44 | Deb | If I were to do my house it would be about $20,000. |
| 00:44 | St. Paul, MN | |
| 00:44 | ricko | holy crikies? 20K ! |
| 00:44 | that is pricey! | |
| 00:45 | i wonder if the vested interests keep the price high, i.e. the oil industry | |
| 00:45 | you in the twin cities? | |
| 00:45 | Deb | That's for solar panels and hot water. |
| 00:45 | ricko | ah ... am just doing solat HW |
| 00:45 | not electricity | |
| 00:45 | Deb | I think it is the oil industry. |
| 00:45 | ricko | solar HW is simple: the sun hets H2O in pipes and it circulates into a tank |
| 00:45 | Deb | Yes, I realize you are only doing hw |
| 00:45 | ricko | no solar panels |
| 00:45 | solar panels are $$$$ | |
| 00:46 | Deb | hmmm I'll check hw again. |
| 00:46 | ricko | so, the system i am going for as 2m x 2m of pips and a 220 L tank |
| 00:46 | Deb | I'd love to live entirely off the grid. |
| 00:46 | ricko | (2 yd and 2 yd and about 50 gallons) |
| 00:46 | Deb | Have you ever used a solar oven? |
| 00:46 | ricko | yes, it would be nice |
| 00:46 | no, not a solar oven | |
| 00:46 | but it gets so hot here you could fry an egg on the boonet of your car (the hood) | |
| 00:47 | Deb | where do you live? |
| 00:47 | ricko | Sydney |
| 00:47 | Deb | that's right. You have people there who've built houses underground |
| 00:47 | ricko | yes |
| 00:47 | Cooper Pedy | |
| 00:47 | in the great Aussie outback | |
| 00:47 | Deb | so they don't have to heat their homes and use solar for lighting |
| 00:47 | YES | |
| 00:47 | ricko | they need it. 45 C (120 F) in the day |
| 00:47 | but cool as cucumbers undergraound | |
| 00:47 | the opal mining area | |
| 00:48 | Deb | I'd have problems with no sunlight. |
| 00:48 | ricko | yeah me too |
| 00:48 | Deb | I have thought of building into a hill. |
| 00:48 | ricko | i guess you can use skylights or some such thing |
| 00:48 | my house has four skylights | |
| 00:48 | makes abig difference | |
| 00:48 | Deb | in the 70's it was a popular idea |
| 00:48 | ricko | yeah |
| 00:48 | hobbits! | |
| 00:48 | Deb | the skylights work well. I thought of that too |
| 00:49 | my house has lots of window and built in 1947. | |
| 00:49 | IT's small and compact. | |
| 00:49 | I hve ceiling fans in every room. I use my ac 1-3 times a year. | |
| 00:50 | Well, this has been great and I'd love to chat more, but I need to go now. | |
| 00:50 | ricko | no air con here ... (Scots cheapness) but only reallyneed it a few adys year |
| 00:50 | daysw | |
| 00:50 | okay | |
| 00:50 | i hope to get up for the KUDOS tomorrow | |
| 00:50 | byeeeeeeeeee | |
| 00:50 | Deb | I hve to be back here at 7am in the morning. We're shutting down our server. |
| 04:49 | aTa | hi al |
| 04:49 | all* | |
| 04:49 | Wots going on? | |
| 04:50 | Anyone using Koha on windows here? |
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