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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 13:39 | owen | Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, etc., #koha |
| 13:43 | kados | hey owen |
| 13:43 | owen | Hi kados, long time no see |
| 13:43 | paul | hi owen & kados. |
| 13:44 | seems that Ohio will be important for Democrat candidate this year... | |
| 13:44 | (at least that's what radio stations reports here in france...) | |
| 13:44 | owen | Yeah, I expected the decision to have been made for us by the time we had our primary |
| 13:44 | paul | (Ohio and another one, don't remember which one) |
| 14:34 | CGI861 | anyone on |
| 14:39 | owen | Some, CGI861 |
| 14:54 | CGI861 | owen I just wrote you |
| 14:54 | do you have a minute? | |
| 14:57 | fbcit | g'morning koha |
| 14:58 | any java guru's around? | |
| 15:09 | gmcharlt | fbcit: I'm no guru, but I know a little bit about Java |
| 15:13 | atz | I studied a lot of Java in school.... and haven't touched it much since. |
| 16:16 | fbcit | gmcharlt: still around? |
| 16:17 | gmcharlt | fbcit: yep |
| 16:17 | fbcit | java question |
| 16:17 | if I initialize a var inside of a loop can it be passed out of the loop? | |
| 16:17 | or do I need to int it outside the loop | |
| 16:19 | here's the code: http://privatepaste.com/e2RidHdIfA | |
| 16:19 | gmcharlt | no, I think if you declare inside a loop, it's scope ls limited to the loop block |
| 16:21 | so in your code, fnum would have to be declared before the first loop | |
| 16:21 | fbcit | k |
| 16:24 | gmcharlt: is there a quick & easy way to debug java inside hmtl? | |
| 16:24 | gmcharlt | fbcit: java inside HTML (as opposed to Javascript?) |
| 16:25 | fbcit | Javascript... |
| 16:25 | gmcharlt | fbcit: the Firebug FF plugin is useful |
| 16:25 | fbcit | I'm trying to do some mods to barcode.pl |
| 16:40 | FWIW, it turns out that javascript does not require declaration of vars and once used vars are global to the script... | |
| 16:41 | gmcharlt | fbcit: yep; really, the only thing Java and Javascript have in common are the four letters j-a-v-a |
| 16:41 | fbcit | heh |
| 16:42 | I got the script working using Firebug | |
| 16:42 | tnx for the help | |
| 16:45 | gmcharlt | you're welcome |
| 17:54 | CGI838 | Question: is there a time when this channel is not used much? |
| 17:55 | atz | CGI838: it varies, but overall traffic is pretty light |
| 17:55 | CGI838 | Some of the Koha User Group members would like to use this channel for meetings |
| 17:55 | How would that go over with all of you developers? | |
| 17:55 | Don't need an answer immediately. | |
| 17:55 | Just testing the waters. | |
| 17:56 | atz | i don't set policy, but it makes sense to me |
| 17:56 | CGI838 | Oh, and how do I change my name so you can see who I am? |
| 17:56 | gmcharlt | CGI838: sounds OK to me as well |
| 17:56 | atz | type: /nick YourName |
| 17:57 | Deb | Would having a meeting later in the day be problematic? |
| 17:57 | say after 3pm? | |
| 17:57 | owen | Hi Deb, I thought that must be you. Sorry, I just got back to my computer after being pulled away |
| 17:57 | gmcharlt | Deb: (figured it was you :) ) -- #koha isn't just for developers, it's also a support channel |
| 17:57 | Deb | would we collide? |
| 17:57 | what gives me away? | |
| 17:57 | owen | Well, you did say you had just sent me an email :) |
| 17:58 | gmcharlt | Deb: the topic of course |
| 17:58 | atz | Deb: you should do it. |
| 17:58 | Deb | oh good, it's not the cadence or the word choices then |
| 17:58 | gmcharlt | Deb: IRC actually lends itself to a fair degree of intermingled conversations, so I wouldn't worry about it |
| 17:58 | Deb | do what atz |
| 17:58 | ? | |
| 17:58 | atz | use this channel |
| 17:58 | owen | No one is going to get mad at you for talking about Koha in #koha |
| 17:58 | atz | lol ^^ well said, owen |
| 17:59 | Deb | ok, but there could be up to 50 people |
| 17:59 | well, that's dreamin' | |
| 17:59 | owen | If the developers don't like it, they can always create a #koha-devel |
| 17:59 | gmcharlt | that would be great, actually, to have that many |
| 17:59 | Deb | perhaps 20 |
| 17:59 | ok then I'll send out an email stating that we can use this channel effective immediately, ok? | |
| 18:00 | I think some would like a meeting immediately--Owen you're one of them. | |
| 18:00 | atz | owen: yeah, or #koha-curmudgeons |
| 18:00 | Deb | Did I read you correctly? |
| 18:00 | gmcharlt | and if later on, the community finds it too distracting, it is very easy to create a #koha-devel or #kudos |
| 18:00 | Deb | Galen, that'd be great! |
| 18:00 | gmcharlt | should have said, *if* the community finds it too distracting |
| 18:00 | Deb | If we needed that, would it be the same as logging in here? |
| 18:01 | owen | Deb, I don't personally feel the need for a meeting, I just didn't think we should spend too much time dithering about it |
| 18:01 | Deb | don't stop now owen. |
| 18:01 | gmcharlt | Deb: yeah, it would be easy to set it up to easy the same web IRC interface |
| 18:01 | Deb | there are some things to discuss. |
| 18:01 | great galen | |
| 18:02 | is it appropriate for me to call your 'galen'? I didn't read the irc ettiquette | |
| 18:02 | gmcharlt | Deb: OK with me |
| 18:03 | others may feel differently about use of nick vs. real name, but I don't think it's much of an issue for most of the regulars on #koha | |
| 18:04 | Deb | i have no problem using my real name. Most people figure it's me as you did. Thanks for allowing me to use your name. |
| 18:04 | owen | It's common to use someone's nick if only so that their IRC client beeps at them when someone says their name |
| 18:05 | Deb | fyi: i got an email from someone who stated the CODI (Dynix user group) actually helped guide the development of the ILS |
| 18:05 | I know this works and am anxious to have KUDOS do the same for Koha. It really works. I've seen it in action. | |
| 18:06 | And I'm committed (perhaps committable also ;-) | |
| 18:06 | gmcharlt | Deb: yeah; it's my understanding that back in the day the Dynix user community was pretty vocal, and actually got listened to |
| 18:07 | Deb | they did. I don't know that the same is true for III, being one of the people who is very vocal. |
| 18:07 | Anyway, how come I don't get beeped from the IRC? Do I need to do something? | |
| 18:08 | owen | It's probably different for each IRC client |
| 18:08 | Deb | ARe there instructions I should read? I just followed the links and started typing. |
| 18:08 | gmcharlt | the web interface may not do it, but most stand-alone IRC clients can do it |
| 18:08 | owen | I use Chatzilla, an extension for Firefox |
| 18:08 | Yeah, I don't suppose the web interface does it | |
| 18:08 | Deb | oh, I'm not on an IRC client, but I could dl chatzilla. I love ff |
| 18:08 | gmcharlt | firefox++ |
| 18:09 | owen | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16 |
| 18:09 | Deb | what does ++ mean? |
| 18:09 | tnx owen | |
| 18:09 | ok, I'm gonna leave you all to your hard work and I have mine too. | |
| 18:10 | gmcharlt | it's called karma; it's a way of signaling approval (free_beer++) or not (stealing_candy_from_babies--) |
| 18:10 | also way of signalling agreement or kudos | |
| 18:10 | Deb++ | |
| 18:10 | Deb | I'll send an email to all Koha users I know about and let them know about the use of this channel |
| 18:10 | Thanks Galen--your crack me up! | |
| 18:11 | So, look for an email and a proposed agenda along with a time to meet. I hope you respond. | |
| 18:11 | Thank you all for your time. | |
| 18:11 | I'll read the wikipedia info on IRC etiquette too. | |
| 18:11 | cheers all! | |
| 18:46 | chris | hey nicole |
| 18:46 | nengard | hi |
| 00:36 | thd | seen kados? |
| 00:38 | gmcharlt | thd: kados was on #koha earlier today -- dunno if he'll be conversing later tonight or not |
| 00:38 | thd | gmcharlt: maybe I should ask you my question |
| 00:39 | gmcharlt | thd: go ahead |
| 00:39 | thd | gmcharlt: I am having som problems with the installer |
| 00:40 | gmcharlt | what platform? |
| 00:40 | thd | my last error message which aborted the installation was set_koha_owner Error 1 |
| 00:40 | gmcharlt: this is on Debian etch | |
| 00:42 | gmcharlt | thd: standard or single-mode install, I assume? |
| 00:43 | thd | gmcharlt: yes standard |
| 00:43 | gmcharlt: I want my own special symlinks for development | |
| 00:44 | gmcharlt | thd: couple possibilities, then -- first, make install must be done as root or sudo, and target user whose ownership the files are being set up must have exist before you do the make install |
| 00:44 | thd | gmcharlt: I should say that I had an earlier error which I corrected manually |
| 00:44 | gmcharlt | are being set to, rather |
| 00:46 | thd | installation complained that it could not put any files in ./etc/koha because /etc/koha does not exist no such file or directory |
| 00:46 | I created /etc/koha manually and that errror went away | |
| 00:46 | gmcharlt make install was done as sudo | |
| 00:47 | gmcharlt: user koha and group koha exist and koha is a member of koha | |
| 00:48 | the user and group my not have identical IDs for the user and group | |
| 00:48 | gmcharlt | thd: so if I understand, you were doing a standard mode install but making the some/all of the target directories be relative to the current directory? (hence ./etc/koha instead of /etc/koha?) |
| 00:49 | thd: the specific IDs shouldn't matter -- right now set_koha_ownership just uses chown | |
| 00:49 | thd | I should have clarified the complaint was about ./etc/koha which I found odd |
| 00:49 | gmcharlt | yeah, that is odd |
| 00:49 | thd | gmcharlt: why ./etc/koha? |
| 00:50 | gmcharlt: that seems like something for the limited access web install | |
| 00:51 | I can assure that standard was selected as my install method | |
| 00:51 | gmcharlt | thd: I believe you :) |
| 00:51 | thd | I repeated the whole process many times with the same errors |
| 00:52 | gmcharlt | thd: if you have still have the Makefile, could you send me or pastebin the results of 'grep ^export Makefile'? |
| 00:52 | thd | also I have failed to mention that most make tests failed because make test did not know where to find the C4 directory so it could not find the correct Perl modules for Koha which necessarily had not been installed yet |
| 00:53 | gmcharlt | thd: /etc/koha itself is the default for a 'standard' mode install -- not sure sure where the leading '.' is coming from |
| 00:54 | thd | gmcharlt: is make test supposed to work from the git directory? |
| 00:54 | what is pastebin | |
| 00:54 | gmcharlt | thd: yes, it should work from either the git directory or the expand tarball |
| 00:55 | thd | gmcharlt: well it was not working two days ago |
| 00:55 | when I last updated | |
| 00:55 | gmcharlt | thd: http://pastebin.com/ -- paste in stuff, it spits back a URL that you post in the IRC channel |
| 00:55 | to avoid flooding the channel with many lines of code or the like | |
| 00:57 | thd | I am logged in reotely at the moment. Does pastbin work with lynx? |
| 00:58 | gmcharlt | thd: just checked -- looks like it will work |
| 01:05 | thd: I'm also trying an install from the current git head on a Debian VM now | |
| 01:09 | hmm, make test works for me, no errors during sudo make install | |
| 01:13 | thd | gmcharlt: http://pastebin.com/m6bb41b07 |
| 01:14 | gmcharlt: I had looked at the Makefile previously and did not identify the problems reported | |
| 01:15 | gmcharlt | thd: yeah, I'm not seeing a direct reference to ./etc/koha -- KOHA_CONF_DIR = /etc/koha as expected |
| 01:16 | thd: wilde guess -- perhaps a non-GNU make in your path -- does make -v return "GNU Make 3.81"? | |
| 01:16 | thd | gmcharlt: I built a debian package with checkinstall |
| 01:16 | would you like to see that? | |
| 01:17 | gmcharlt | yes, please |
| 01:17 | thd | gmcharlt do have some place I can send it via ftp? |
| 01:18 | gmcharlt | thd: one moment, I'll set up you |
| 01:30 | thd | gmcharlt: I see why the debian package was not created last time I ran checkinstall |
| 01:31 | I have the following from the end of the process still visible | |
| 01:31 | Installing /usr/share/koha/man/man3/cataloguing::value_builder::unimarc_field_115b.3pm | |
| 01:31 | Installing /usr/share/koha/man/man3/serials::member-search.3pm | |
| 01:31 | chown: `/etc/koha': No such file or directory | |
| 01:31 | Bye. | |
| 01:31 | make: *** [set_koha_ownership] Error 1 | |
| 01:31 | **** Installation failed. Aborting package creation. | |
| 01:31 | Cleaning up...OK | |
| 01:32 | gmcharlt: I had and have created /etc/koha manually so what is there to complain about? | |
| 01:32 | I did not even notice that was still the error | |
| 01:33 | I will remove the manually created /etc/koha and test with checkinstall again | |
| 01:33 | gmcharlt | thd: ok |
| 01:33 | thd | at list I will have a debian package out of it |
| 01:34 | gmcharlt: however, you are claiming I should have no errors from make test even before running checkinstall | |
| 01:34 | ? | |
| 01:35 | gmcharlt | thd: correct -- at least, I didn't get any errors during make test when I tested half an hour ago |
| 01:36 | thd | to make certain we are fuly synchrosised I will grab the very latest copy from git now |
| 01:36 | and rerun the process with that | |
| 01:50 | gmcharlt | thd: I'll leaving my computer now, but will check tomorrow morning -- good night |
| 01:50 | thd++ for working on Debian package | |
| 08:11 | paul | chris around ? |
| 08:12 | chris | hi paul |
| 08:12 | paul | hello chris. |
| 08:12 | i've 2 questions for you, do you have a few minuts ? | |
| 08:12 | chris | sure do |
| 08:13 | paul | thanks. |
| 08:13 | 1st question : i've submitted a patch called "moving fr installer to fr_FR" | |
| 08:13 | he seems not to have been approved yet. Do you know why ? | |
| 08:14 | chris | yep i pushed it up to joshua .. originally you had one from FR_fr that didnt get approved, but the fr_FR should be fine, ill check with joshua |
| 08:14 | paul | s/fr_FR/fr-FR/ |
| 08:14 | chris | *nod* |
| 08:14 | paul | right. I realised my mistake just after sending the 1st wrong patch. |
| 08:14 | 2nd question is about reserves on OPAC. | |
| 08:15 | we (SAN & me) have tested reserves on OPAC and something is going wrong with them. | |
| 08:15 | (when you reserve a given item) | |
| 08:15 | chris | yep |
| 08:15 | paul | seems you removed some code recently (some "priority==0" have been removed) |
| 08:16 | do you have the same problem ? | |
| 08:16 | do you have an idea where it comes from | |
| 08:16 | ? | |
| 08:16 | chris | there was some problems with items showing as waiting as soon as they were reserved |
| 08:17 | because the code wasnt checking for 'w' but was just seeing the itemnumber | |
| 08:17 | i worked on fixing that | |
| 08:17 | yep, the problem is they cant agree :-) | |
| 08:18 | paul | do you agree with the doc at C4::Reserves.pm, line 48+ |
| 08:18 | chris | lemme check |
| 08:21 | yes i agree with that, as long as items dont show as waiting, when they are still on the shelf, or being transferred | |
| 08:22 | otherwise patrons see its waiting and go to the desk to get it, and then the librarian cant find it | |
| 08:22 | paul | and what makes them show as waiting ? |
| 08:22 | chris | it should only show as waiting if found='w' |
| 08:22 | paul | P =0, F=W, I=filled |
| 08:22 | chris | yep |
| 08:23 | if f=w its waiting | |
| 08:23 | there was some code that was going | |
| 08:23 | I=filled .. it must be waiting | |
| 08:23 | paul | so line 72 is wrong |
| 08:23 | chris | even though f=null |
| 08:24 | paul | atm, if you reserve a given item, the priority is set to 1 even if there is no other reserve. Shouldn't it be set to 0 ? |
| 08:25 | chris | 0 or 1 it doesnt really matter, lowest priority is the first one to be filled when the item is returned |
| 08:26 | paul | but we tested the case where the item was not on issue |
| 08:27 | chris | yep so it was on the shelf |
| 08:27 | paul | the user reserve an item that is in the shelves. |
| 08:27 | right. | |
| 08:27 | chris | so in that case it shouldnt show waiting |
| 08:27 | paul | in our test case ,it's on the shelves of another branch. |
| 08:27 | chris | until it is checked in at the branch the user reserved it at |
| 08:28 | and is put on the reserves shelf (or whereever the librarian puts reserved books to be picked up) | |
| 08:28 | paul | but the branch where the item is must see it i npending reserves (which is not the case iirc) |
| 08:28 | chris | yeah the reserve reports arent working properly i dont think |
| 08:29 | they should see they need to send it to the branch the borrower wants it from | |
| 08:32 | paul | so your opinion is that flags in the database are set properly and the bugs are in the code handling the workflow ? |
| 08:32 | chris | i think so, but not 100% sure |
| 08:33 | paul | ok, i'll investigate this (or SAN will) |
| 08:33 | thanks | |
| 08:33 | a last quetsion : "Marc Roberson Joins LibLime As VP, Library Partners" | |
| 08:33 | what means VP ? | |
| 08:36 | chris | Vice President |
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