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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 13:54 | fbcit | u around kados? |
| 13:56 | paul | hi fbcit |
| 13:56 | fbcit | hi paul |
| 13:56 | paul | (kados told me in a pm that he should arrive quickly now) |
| 13:56 | fbcit | great |
| 14:07 | brb | |
| 14:30 | paul ? | |
| 14:30 | paul | yep. |
| 14:30 | seems you're back before kados ;-) | |
| 14:30 | fbcit | :) |
| 14:30 | I have moved my koha db to another machine using mysqldump | |
| 14:31 | everything seems ok, but | |
| 14:31 | the installer now says... | |
| 14:32 | "We are upgrading from Koha 3.00.00.035 to 3.00.00.35, you must update your database" | |
| 14:32 | but | |
| 14:32 | a select shows this | |
| 14:32 | Version | 3.0000035 on original machine | |
| 14:33 | Version | 3.0000035 on new machine | |
| 14:33 | any thoughts? | |
| 14:33 | paul | maybe a diff in the code itself, not in the database ? |
| 14:40 | fbcit | paul: that must have been it as rebasing corrected the problem... tnx. |
| 14:53 | kados | morning all |
| 14:53 | fbcit: can you confirm this patch is correct: | |
| 14:53 | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]454d00aa3904f88af | |
| 14:53 | paul | hello kados |
| 14:53 | kados | paul: mail for you in your inbox (just sent) |
| 14:55 | paul | kados : about notforloan reintroduced, do you want the patch directly, or I send it to patches ? |
| 14:55 | I've discovered 2 other problems : | |
| 14:56 | - searchhighlightblob that makes me having biblio description twice on screen. | |
| 14:56 | kados | paul: was notforloan originally visible somewhere? |
| 14:56 | paul | (in the result lists) |
| 14:56 | kados: yep, as a status, in the result list | |
| 14:56 | kados | results page? |
| 14:56 | or detail page? | |
| 14:56 | paul | yep |
| 14:56 | both | |
| 14:56 | kados | ok |
| 14:56 | I can add it back in | |
| 14:57 | paul | i already did it |
| 14:57 | kados | ahh, ok |
| 14:57 | you can send to patcheskoha.org then |
|
| 14:57 | paul | (on the results page) |
| 14:57 | kados | re: searchhighlightblob ... |
| 14:57 | perhaps it should be a syspref which to display? | |
| 14:57 | paul | mmm... what kind of display do you have ? |
| 14:58 | (go to http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.[…]earch.pl?q=chaos) | |
| 14:58 | (abel/abel) | |
| 14:58 | kados | k |
| 14:58 | paul | you'll see what is strange on my side |
| 14:58 | fbcit | kados: correct |
| 14:58 | kados | paul: which title |
| 14:58 | fbcit: thanks | |
| 14:59 | paul | everyone. |
| 14:59 | 1. From chaos to covenant modifié 3 ,uses of prophecy in the book of Jeremiah | |
| 14:59 | img Robert P. Carroll - 1981 - S.C.M Description: - viii, 344 p. ; 22 cm Livre | |
| 14:59 | From chaos to covenant modifié 3 uses of prophecy in the book of Jeremiah Robert P. Carroll MONO ... | |
| 14:59 | fbcit | it is now at installer/data/Pg/kohastructure.sql |
| 14:59 | paul | you get twice "From chaos to covenant modifié 3" |
| 14:59 | line 1 and line 3) | |
| 14:59 | kados | really strange ... is that the title? |
| 14:59 | paul | (line 3 being the searchhighlightblob) |
| 14:59 | yep. | |
| 14:59 | kados | ok, and it's not what you want? |
| 14:59 | paul | title+author+itemtype |
| 15:00 | kados | note: google does this too |
| 15:00 | paul | ??? you get the info twice. Do you really want that ? |
| 15:00 | kados | maybe we could just omit the title from searchhighlightblob? |
| 15:01 | woudl that fix it? | |
| 15:01 | if so it's easy to do | |
| 15:01 | paul | could you give me a ggl sample ? |
| 15:01 | kados | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=chaos |
| 15:01 | :-) | |
| 15:01 | Chaos (2008) - Movie Preview - RopeofSilicon.com | |
| 15:01 | CHAOS (2008) Movie, synopsis, trailer, pictures, cast, director, release date, | |
| 15:02 | paul | I don't have that result from ggl. |
| 15:02 | I get, as 1st result : | |
| 15:02 | Chaos theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | |
| 15:02 | Free encyclopedia article describing the basics of the theory. Addresses mathematical, physical and historical aspects. | |
| 15:02 | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory - 87k - Cached - Similar pages | |
| 15:02 | kados | but I agree it looks like google omits the title of the page from it's searchhighlight blob |
| 15:02 | so lets do that | |
| 15:02 | paul | i'm not sure that will be enough. |
| 15:03 | kados | title + description then? |
| 15:03 | paul | because the searchhighlight shows things that already are in the 1st line : title + author + itemtype |
| 15:03 | so what is the additional information ? | |
| 15:04 | kados | ahh, let me explain |
| 15:04 | paul | (I have "chaos" highlighted in both, so I really don't see what's new on line 3 |
| 15:04 | ) | |
| 15:04 | kados | for instance, notes |
| 15:04 | often you can do a search and not understand why a result matched your search | |
| 15:04 | paul | right : result 4 in my search "chaos" |
| 15:05 | kados | well, in that case it's in the title |
| 15:05 | #7 is a better example | |
| 15:05 | well, even that is not perfect | |
| 15:05 | 8. Encountering evil ,live options in theodicy | |
| 15:05 | that one is good | |
| 15:05 | paul | #8 is good |
| 15:05 | "Encountering evil" | |
| 15:05 | kados | so, it's useful to see why it matched that hit |
| 15:06 | paul | ok, then I agree it's interesting, but only if you display here something that is not displayed somewhere else (title, subtitle, author mainly) |
| 15:06 | kados | *nod* |
| 15:06 | but subtitle is not displayed ;-) | |
| 15:06 | paul | #8 : ,live options in theodicy |
| 15:06 | it's the subtitle if I don't mind | |
| 15:07 | kados | impossible ... |
| 15:07 | subtitle mapping was lost | |
| 15:07 | how does it work for you? | |
| 15:08 | paul | this field ("sub-title" in unimarc) is mapped to "biblioitems.volume" |
| 15:09 | I agree it's unproper. | |
| 15:09 | but that's probably why IPT never told me anything about missing subtitles. | |
| 15:09 | as they are not missing ! | |
| 15:09 | kados | :-) |
| 15:09 | paul | "the truth is elsewhere" |
| 15:10 | another problem i just discovered : the "itemtypes.notforloan" feature is not handled | |
| 15:11 | kados | in circ? |
| 15:11 | paul | itemtype="THEA" (Thèse ancienne) is "not for loan" |
| 15:11 | and in results page, I can't see that | |
| 15:11 | http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.[…]earch.pl?q=calvin | |
| 15:12 | mmm... | |
| 15:12 | i'm wrong, sorry. | |
| 15:12 | kados | shudln't a notforloan be available? |
| 15:12 | paul | not completly, but not completly right either... |
| 15:12 | kados | and the 'Holds' link will go away if only notforloan ones are avaialble |
| 15:12 | paul | let me explain |
| 15:12 | the "holds" link has disappeared, you're right. | |
| 15:12 | but you have "1 available" on the right. | |
| 15:13 | kados | *nod* |
| 15:13 | paul | so, one may think that he can issue the book |
| 15:13 | kados | but it says no hold allowed :-) |
| 15:13 | paul | (but not reserve it) |
| 15:13 | don't you have a case where you can't reserve a book but can issue it ? | |
| 15:13 | kados | no |
| 15:13 | but I agree it's a real case | |
| 15:13 | paul | a lot of our libraries here are doing that for new acqui |
| 15:13 | kados | but how do you do that? |
| 15:14 | since we only have one notforloan field? | |
| 15:14 | paul | right. |
| 15:14 | kados | we need a notforhold field |
| 15:14 | :) | |
| 15:14 | (in general, are you pleased with the display options now, for staff and opac results? ...) | |
| 15:15 | paul | opac is ready now ? |
| 15:15 | kados | (I know some of your librarians weren't happy with it) |
| 15:15 | there are two options for display ... the staff results demonstrates one, the opac the other | |
| 15:15 | paul | bad news : I can issue a THEA, even if the notforloan is set (just tested by issuing 2 THEA to olivier abel) |
| 15:15 | kados | one is complex, and another is simple |
| 15:16 | paul | http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.[…]?borrowernumber=1 |
| 15:16 | kados | I have found many bugs related to reserves/holds too |
| 15:16 | *nod* | |
| 15:18 | paul | I like the display, on OPAC, with the green for copies available. |
| 15:18 | kados | if you have zebraqueue running, you can watch the availability change in real time :-) |
| 15:18 | paul | but why the hell don't you want to reintroduce location and itemcallnumber in that list ? |
| 15:19 | kados | heh |
| 15:19 | because US libraries think it's too much info | |
| 15:19 | *shrug* | |
| 15:19 | the same template code from the staff client will work there | |
| 15:19 | paul | (fun to see that in france, we say "why the heaven don't ..." |
| 15:19 | ) | |
| 15:19 | kados | so perhaps we need a syspref |
| 15:19 | to say which view to display on the opac | |
| 15:20 | paul | yep, because location & callnumber are VERY important for specialised libraries. |
| 15:20 | where public libraries could probably live without that information on result page. | |
| 15:20 | what could be the name of that syspref ? | |
| 15:21 | kados | OPACResultsDisplay with two options |
| 15:21 | ? | |
| 15:21 | paul | OPACDisplayItem |
| 15:21 | ok for OPACResultsDisplay | |
| 15:21 | "full" and "short" options ? | |
| 15:21 | kados | how about statuses and itemdetails |
| 15:21 | paul | defaulted to "short" of course ;-) |
| 15:22 | OK. | |
| 15:22 | I prefer "OPACDisplayItem" in fact, as this syspref is only for item displaying. | |
| 15:22 | kados | *nod* |
| 15:22 | OPACItemResultsDisplay :-) | |
| 15:23 | or OPACItemsResultsDisplay ... | |
| 15:23 | paul | OK |
| 15:23 | kados | now we're getting good :- |
| 15:23 | ) | |
| 15:23 | paul | i'll do it if you want |
| 15:23 | kados | OK |
| 15:27 | gmcharlt | good morning #koha |
| 15:28 | fbcit | g'morning gmcharlt |
| 15:28 | kados | morning gmcharlt |
| 15:28 | fbcit | gmcharlt: Question re install.pl |
| 15:29 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 15:29 | fbcit | have you tested data imports into mysql and Pg w/foreign key constraints left on? |
| 15:30 | gmcharlt | fbcit: on mysql on Monday, actually :) |
| 15:31 | fbcit | and no complaints from mysql? |
| 15:31 | gmcharlt | fbcit: it works except for some cases where you pick and choose some of the optional ones |
| 15:31 | e.g., sample_patrons.sql complains if you don't also select the sample libraries and patron categories | |
| 15:31 | but if you choose all or none of the optional ones, it works | |
| 15:31 | fbcit | hrmm |
| 15:32 | kados | how else could it work? |
| 15:32 | fbcit | I noticed in a mysqldump I did earlier today that mysql switches off FK checking during export/import |
| 15:34 | gmcharlt | fbcit: mysql may need to do that for the general case of import |
| 15:34 | but the install scripts should be coded to work better than that | |
| 15:37 | fbcit | I think we need to prevent the user from getting into a scenario where FK constraints could be a problem at least. |
| 15:37 | during install, that is | |
| 15:38 | gmcharlt | fbcit: I agree; one part is that the sample data scripts needs to be designed that way |
| 15:38 | another part (to be added) to is create some sort of manifest or dependency tracking | |
| 15:38 | so that user can only select a set of scripts that is consistent | |
| 15:39 | e.g., if you select sample patrons, you automatically bring in sample libraries and patron categories | |
| 15:40 | kados: does Makefile.PL need an option to build language-specific templates from an available language pack? | |
| 15:40 | kados | yes |
| 15:40 | fbcit | FK was an afterthought for mysql and the sql scripts are based on older mysql versions I think |
| 15:40 | kados | the available language packs are in ... |
| 15:40 | misc/translator/po/ | |
| 15:40 | and the naming convention follows RFC4646 | |
| 15:41 | with i-opac (interface) and t-prog (template) and v-3000000 (version) | |
| 15:41 | gmcharlt | so right now the only available one is fr-FR -- are there any others coming soon? |
| 15:41 | kados | there is an arabic one in translation |
| 15:41 | and we can pretty quickly throw together an en-CA and fr-CA (debra) | |
| 15:42 | I'm sure if we prodded we could get koha-translate people to get started on translating 3.0 | |
| 15:42 | but the problem thusfar has been that the templates haven't been stable enough | |
| 15:42 | gmcharlt | the default language is en, of course; but what region is the official default? NZ, UK, US? |
| 15:42 | kados | as in , too many changes |
| 15:42 | it was supposed to be en-UK | |
| 15:42 | but I'm afraid some en-US stuff has crept in | |
| 15:43 | we may have to switch to en-US as the default due to the dearth of en-UK programmers in the community | |
| 15:43 | gmcharlt | ok; besides slef, is there anybody else in the UK? |
| 15:44 | kados | no, but the NZ guys speak the queen's english :-) |
| 15:45 | gmcharlt | right, although I would imagine there are some differences between en-UK and en-NZ |
| 15:45 | although not necessarily any that matter in an OPAC :) | |
| 15:45 | kados | yea |
| 15:46 | gmcharlt | en-AU: s/patrons/cobbers/g? :) |
| 15:46 | kados | and some code to really improve the i18n support |
| 15:46 | hehe | |
| 15:46 | gmcharlt | kados: good |
| 15:47 | I think by default all available language packs should be copied in the installed tree, not just whatever is chosen during Makefile.PL | |
| 15:47 | and provide instructions for building new templates | |
| 15:47 | I figure there won't be a file space issue unless we end up with hundreds of translations | |
| 15:48 | kados | *nod* I agree |
| 15:48 | it's pretty easy to do that too | |
| 16:02 | paul | kados : do you have itemcallumber column in search.pl?q=something ? result list ? |
| 16:02 | because I don't have | |
| 16:02 | (i just have branch & callnumber) | |
| 16:03 | kados | hmmm |
| 16:03 | what do you mean? | |
| 16:03 | paul | http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.[…]search.pl?q=chaos |
| 16:03 | I don't see "magasin" wich is location of most of the items | |
| 16:03 | kados | Fonds Paul Ricoeur [test b] (1) |
| 16:03 | paul | IPT Paris, Magasin [33.652] for example |
| 16:04 | kados | test b is itemcallnumber, no? |
| 16:04 | paul | Fonds Paul ricoeur is the branch test b is the callnumber |
| 16:04 | but no location | |
| 16:04 | kados | location? ... you mean items.location ? |
| 16:04 | paul | yep |
| 16:04 | kados | ahh, items.locaion is a coded value, no? |
| 16:04 | paul | authorised value, right |
| 16:04 | kados | it's linked to authorized values SHELF_LOC, right? |
| 16:04 | paul | nope. |
| 16:05 | it's linked to "LOCAL" here | |
| 16:05 | kados | ahh |
| 16:05 | that's the prob :-) | |
| 16:05 | paul | ok, so i'll remove the hardcoded link to SHELF_LOC, is it OK for you ? |
| 16:05 | kados | ? |
| 16:05 | what do you mean? | |
| 16:05 | paul | (& get it from the marc_subfield_structure) |
| 16:06 | kados | I think we should agree on the mapping |
| 16:06 | ie, we should pick either LOCAL or SHELF_LOC | |
| 16:06 | and remove reference to the other | |
| 16:07 | paul | mmm... then I would prefer LOCAL from far, as I have 4 libraries in production already using LOCAL |
| 16:07 | kados | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ment:kohastatuses |
| 16:07 | OK, no prob | |
| 16:07 | paul | & all 2.2 are using it as well |
| 16:07 | kados | so we need to update in quite a few places |
| 16:07 | paul | (it's "LOC" in fact, not "LOCAL") |
| 16:08 | kados | ok, even better |
| 16:08 | paul | ok, now it works better : |
| 16:08 | http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.[…]search.pl?q=chaos | |
| 16:08 | #3 for example | |
| 16:09 | do you want me to fix that everywhere ? | |
| 16:09 | kados | auth_vals.sql, marc21 frameworks (all), the getLocations sub |
| 16:09 | anywhere else? | |
| 16:10 | ahh, the wiki page: | |
| 16:10 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ment:kohastatuses | |
| 16:10 | I think that's it | |
| 16:10 | paul: yes, you can update | |
| 16:11 | ahh, it's not on the wiki anyway | |
| 16:11 | paul: in fact, i see some new auth values that I don't recognize | |
| 16:12 | Asort1, etc. | |
| 16:12 | paul: what are those? | |
| 16:15 | CGI715 | What is the name of the new cataloging module looks like an email format--Biblios? |
| 16:15 | kados | CGI715: yes |
| 16:15 | CGI715: where did you hear about that? :-) | |
| 16:17 | paul | kados : Asort1 and Asort2 are acquisition values, attached to orders for stats purposes |
| 16:17 | same as Bsort1 and Bsort2 for patrons | |
| 16:17 | kados | paul: I think also that I should modif some of the auth values that are specifically related to the MARC holdings standard to prefix them with HOLDINGS_ |
| 16:17 | paul | like HOLDINGS_LOC for example ;-) |
| 16:17 | CGI715 | I'm chatting with Mary Laffler from OPLIN and she's describing this module? |
| 16:17 | kados | no, not that one |
| 16:18 | CGI715: tell Mary Josh Ferrary says hi :-) | |
| 16:18 | Ferraro I mean :-) | |
| 16:18 | paul: not that one ... | |
| 16:18 | paul: COMPLETENESS for instance | |
| 16:18 | CGI715 | just did Josh! |
| 16:18 | kados | PHYS_FORMS, etc |
| 16:19 | CGI715 | So what about that module? |
| 16:19 | kados | CGI715: well, it hasn't been released yet |
| 16:19 | CGI715: it should be available early next year | |
| 16:19 | CGI715 | Can you tell us when it will? |
| 16:19 | kados | CGI715: it's in beta testing right now |
| 16:19 | CGI715: send me an email if you'd like to be a beta tester | |
| 16:20 | CGI715 | Can I see the beta or is someone testing it? |
| 16:20 | kados | CGI715: jmf AT LibLime DOT com |
| 16:20 | CGI715 | I have your email address memorized. Will do. |
| 16:20 | kados | CGI715: yes, you can see it, but I have to put you in touch with the development team, so they can send you the info |
| 16:20 | CGI715 | We both say thanks. |
| 16:20 | kados | no prob, have a great holiday week (sorta) :-) |
| 16:20 | CGI715 | We still want to know the name of it--please respond |
| 16:21 | kados | ‡biblios is the name |
| 16:21 | CGI715 | I'm working this week. |
| 16:21 | kados | yea, me too :/ |
| 16:21 | CGI715 | Thanks--that's what we thought. I'll sign off now--oops one more question! |
| 16:21 | kados | heh |
| 16:21 | CGI715 | What do I need to do to be a beta tester? |
| 16:22 | kados | is this Deb? :-) |
| 16:22 | paul | CGI715: you just need to test ;-) |
| 16:22 | kados | CGI715: I will put you in touch with the dev team and they will explain it to you |
| 16:22 | CGI715 | of course it's Deb I thought you knew--sorry--do you need more coffee?! |
| 16:24 | ok I'll wait to hear from the dev team. Do I need to provide my email address or give it to you, Josh? | |
| 16:24 | kados | CGI715: i've got it :-) |
| 16:25 | CGI715 | ok I'll wait to hear from you or the dev team. Mary and Deb signing off now so you can get back to real work. |
| 16:32 | kados | paul: so ... Asort1, etc ... what should the default values be? |
| 16:32 | paul | imho, there can't be any. |
| 16:32 | as it's really "free for stats" | |
| 16:33 | kados | do we have some help text explaining this somewhere? |
| 16:33 | paul | for public libraries, in france, we usually set something to Bsort1, that is required by the gov for example |
| 16:33 | in the auth value, i've recently added a small description when the user select Asort1 or one of the hardcoded values | |
| 16:34 | (just before the <table> with the list) | |
| 16:34 | kados | I see it now |
| 16:34 | ok, thanks | |
| 16:35 | lets make a kohaauthvalues wiki page | |
| 16:36 | authorised_value is varchar(10) ... is that large enough? | |
| 16:37 | paul | varchar(10) is quite standard size for Koha for codes. |
| 16:37 | and i think it's really better to have most codes with the same size | |
| 16:37 | kados | ok |
| 16:48 | paul: how about SUGGEST, what should be the default values? | |
| 16:48 | paul | we could have : - "No more budget" |
| 16:48 | - "pas dans notre politique documentaire" (sorry, don't know how to translate) | |
| 16:48 | - already ordered | |
| 16:48 | - already in the catalogue | |
| 16:49 | kados | values? +1 accept, -1 reject? |
| 16:50 | paul | mmm... good idea |
| 16:50 | kados | oh, it's not implemented? |
| 16:50 | ok, so it's just a list of 'reject' reasons, eh? | |
| 16:50 | paul | nope |
| 16:50 | it's just a list of "reason" | |
| 16:50 | kados | ok |
| 16:50 | paul | accept & reject all together |
| 16:51 | kados | k |
| 16:54 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]nt:kohaauthvalues | |
| 16:55 | needs some more info, but I think i have them all listed now | |
| 16:55 | oops, missing CCODE, STACK and LOC | |
| 17:07 | paul: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]nt:kohaauthvalues | |
| 17:07 | paul: can you update and add any missing ones from fr-FR/UNIMARC ? | |
| 17:45 | tim | kados: this is what I was trying to get done a couple weeks ago. |
| 17:45 | http://opactest.wlpl.org/cgi-b[…]tail.pl?bib=22104 | |
| 17:46 | The URLs section just above the center of the page. | |
| 17:50 | kados | hey tim |
| 17:50 | cool | |
| 17:50 | looks good | |
| 17:50 | tim | I added a few lines to Search.pm to get it to work. |
| 17:51 | I tried to show it to you last week, but a router had a seizure. | |
| 17:53 | kados | *nod* |
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