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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:27 | kados | hdl: you around? |
| 12:27 | hdl: I can send you the patches I've done | |
| 12:27 | hdl: I've fixed simple searching, and boolean searching, truncation, field weighting, stemming and relevance | |
| 12:28 | (and fuzzy operator handling) | |
| 12:28 | hdl: still to do: limits, mc-*, and repairing facets | |
| 12:37 | fbcit | g'morning kados |
| 12:40 | kados | morning fb |
| 12:40 | oops | |
| 12:40 | fbcit: | |
| 12:40 | :-) | |
| 12:42 | fbcit | kados: talked with chris last evening and it looks like he has the installer about wrapped up for now. |
| 13:09 | hdl | kados : ok. send it to me. |
| 13:12 | kados | hdl: I plan to work on the rest of the tasks this afternoon |
| 13:12 | (this morning I have a meeting :/)) | |
| 14:55 | Brooke | howdy |
| 14:58 | owen | Hi Brooke |
| 14:59 | Brooke | hi owen :) |
| 14:59 | do you know when 3.0 is due out? | |
| 14:59 | folks just asked me and I was kinda like, uh soon. :) | |
| 14:59 | owen | Not soon enough ;) |
| 14:59 | Brooke | exactly! |
| 14:59 | owen | A developer's release should be coming out soon, I think. |
| 14:59 | Brooke | i did the whole I'm just guessing routine, but I've seen it with my own beady eyes |
| 15:00 | owen | But I don't know about final release. |
| 15:00 | Brooke | *nod* |
| 15:00 | do you know where they'll post the dev release? | |
| 15:00 | owen | Presumably on koha.org |
| 15:00 | Brooke | *nod* |
| 15:00 | owen | paul_ or hdl around? |
| 15:01 | Brooke | paul's usually away when he _ |
| 15:01 | hdl | hdl yes |
| 15:01 | owen | Hi hdl |
| 15:01 | Brooke | bonjour henri |
| 15:01 | hdl | hi |
| 15:01 | owen | There's a check for "uppercasesurnames" in memberentrygen.tmpl, but I don't see that in system preferences |
| 15:03 | hdl | Then it should be added to systempreferences.sql in install. Maybe in updatedatabase too... depending on Joshua's opinion. |
| 15:05 | owen | Why is memberentry doing this: $data{'firstname'}=ucfirst(lc $data{'firstname'}); ? |
| 15:05 | Wouldn't that mess up an odd first name like "DuPage" ? | |
| 15:07 | ryan | the syspref could be a perlish expression for name handling: |
| 15:07 | uc(lastname) ucfirst(firstname) | |
| 15:07 | or smthg | |
| 15:08 | if extra parsing was worth it | |
| 15:08 | but i say delete it. | |
| 15:08 | javascript would be a better way maybe | |
| 15:09 | JYL57 | hello koha |
| 15:10 | could someone explain me the use and importance of table marc_word ?! | |
| 15:10 | Brooke | okay, back to trying to find a jorb. |
| 15:11 | hdl | ryan : I hate when all is done in Javascript. This means not handy sustainable code. |
| 15:12 | JYL57 | some mysql expert around ?! how long could a REPAIR TABLE normally go ?! |
| 15:12 | owen | hdl: but more easily customized to the needs of a particular library |
| 15:12 | JYL57: Are you repairing marc_word? | |
| 15:13 | ryan | hdl: I maybe agree, but i also don't like two or more sytemprefs for handling name casing |
| 15:13 | hdl | JYL57: it can be VERY LON |
| 15:13 | G | |
| 15:15 | owen : if you have to modify one js each time for your customer... It will soon be a mess for you to manage devs | |
| 15:15 | owen | On the other hand, it's better than hard-coding text-transformation that isn't appropriate for all customers. |
| 15:15 | JYL57 | yes, I'm trying to repair marc_word... |
| 15:15 | hdl | marc_word is used in rel 2_2 in order to index data |
| 15:16 | JYL57 | ok, I need advice hdl, would the option USE_FRM be quicker ?! |
| 15:16 | hdl | JYL57: you had better drop the table and recreate it from a script which will use your database. |
| 15:17 | JYL57 | hum, how to do that ? do you have sample code ?! |
| 15:18 | hdl | build_marcword in misc is there for that. |
| 15:19 | JYL57 | any prerequisite before using this script ?! |
| 15:19 | hdl | may need customisation. |
| 15:19 | You should first read it. | |
| 15:19 | Joshua did good job on inline documentation | |
| 15:21 | JYL57 | ok, thanks for advise, have to go now leaving my REPAIR working and will check it tonight... |
| 15:22 | have a nice day | |
| 15:23 | atz | it's funny to see people jump in w/ a problem and jump out on the same screen |
| 15:25 | hdl | :) |
| 15:26 | And it is quite reassuring. Some questions are quickly answered. | |
| 15:27 | atz | that's true. sometimes all you need is for somebody knowledgeable to say "that's normal." |
| 15:29 | owen | hdl: it looks like we lost "Alternate Contact" from member entry somewhere along the way? |
| 15:47 | hdl | owen : I have not touched members pages for some time |
| 15:56 | owen | If IndependentBranches is turned on, a librarian should not be able to log in to anything but their home branch (as specified in their patron record)? |
| 16:00 | hdl | yes |
| 16:02 | owen | So if IndependentBranches is turned on, we should hide all interface elements related to switching branches |
| 16:15 | hdl | aye you're right owen. (Unless user is superlibrarian... he should not be able to switch branches) |
| 16:16 | owen | Easy enough to do a check for AutoLocation and IndependentBranches, but how to tell if the user is a superlibrarian? |
| 16:17 | Do we need to add $template->param( IS_superlibrairan => 1 ); to Auth.pm? | |
| 16:18 | hdl | user flag is >0 |
| 16:19 | C4::Context->userenv->{flag} >0... After a getuserandtemplate. | |
| 16:20 | owen | Sorry hdl, I don't understand |
| 16:22 | hdl | see neworderempty.pl |
| 16:23 | $onlymine is set when | |
| 16:23 | IndependantBranches | |
| 16:23 | And user have a branch and is not superlibrarian. | |
| 16:23 | line 172 | |
| 16:33 | kados : search adds implicit left truncation. This is not considered as a feature. | |
| 16:35 | For us when you query Jean, unless you query Jean*, you should not get any author like jeanmaire Jeanine Jeaneune | |
| 16:35 | Is this a requirement for you ? | |
| 16:36 | atz | hdl: you mean on an author query, i.e. not by keyword? |
| 16:37 | hdl | yes |
| 16:37 | even keyword should not have implicit truncation. | |
| 16:37 | We have a simple facility to add it : * | |
| 16:38 | atz | i'm not sure about that. If you have adequate relevance ranking, then it does not hurt to use implicit truncation. |
| 16:38 | exact matches will be recognized and returned w/ priority | |
| 16:39 | chris | could easily be a syspref though eh? |
| 16:39 | implicit truncation on or off | |
| 16:40 | atz | and you could force it off with search by "jean"... |
| 16:40 | (quoted string) | |
| 16:40 | chris | then the library could chose the default behaviour it wants |
| 16:41 | atz | hdl: i know that K-12 school libraries will appreciate a more robust return set |
| 16:42 | kids frequently can't correctly spell or remember all of authors' names | |
| 16:42 | but I can see why precision would be important in a research environment | |
| 16:43 | hdl | atz, chris : we have research institutions as clients and they require that asking for an author would not bring up 10s of others. |
| 16:43 | chris | right |
| 16:44 | i think a system preference is the way to go then | |
| 16:44 | on by default, and we can switch it off for libraries that want precision | |
| 16:45 | hdl | Can't you tell me what to do to disable wider scope of results ? |
| 16:46 | atz | i haven't looked at the searching code |
| 16:46 | hdl | here is my query :au,phr: "Jean" and (mt:OUVR ) and ( homebranch:CPPM) |
| 16:47 | I got : | |
| 16:47 | Jeandeau and Jean as results. | |
| 16:48 | chris | i dont know how to either, but i think we should get joshua to do a patch so that its controlled by a syspref then you can just switch that off |
| 16:57 | owen | hdl: should a librarian be able to choose the patron's home branch if IndependentBranches is turned on? |
| 17:03 | paul | owen : mail in your mailbox, with some more investigations about detail.tmpl |
| 17:10 | owen | paul, it must be coming by steam ship |
| 17:11 | paul | steam ship ? |
| 17:11 | ah, ok | |
| 17:24 | hdl | owen : when IndependantBranches is on, patrons homebranch is the same as librarians' one. |
| 17:24 | branch list is a single item list. | |
| 17:25 | owen | I'm seeing the whole list |
| 17:25 | hdl | Are you superlibrarian ? |
| 17:26 | owen | Yes |
| 17:29 | hdl | owen : Then it is OK. |
| 17:29 | superlibrarian has the right to choose any branch. | |
| 17:29 | But not others. | |
| 17:57 | owen | Logged in as a non-superlibrarian, I'm not able to search patrons |
| 18:10 | ryan | owen: you can only see patrons registered at your branch |
| 18:11 | owen | ah, of course |
| 18:14 | ...but since I'm not getting logged in to the correct branch, I can't even find patrons registered at my own branch :( | |
| 18:16 | ryan | huh |
| 18:16 | was working for me a couple days ago | |
| 18:57 | martinmorris | hi i was asking last night about getting hold of ZOOM 1.16 (i'm playing with koha 3.0) |
| 18:58 | had installed Net-Z3950-ZOOM-1.16 (and the guy who replied confirmed that) but when i run perl Makefile.PL it still complains i haven't installed it | |
| 18:59 | if anyone can advise i'd be grateful ta :) | |
| 19:01 | ryan | martinmorris: for now I would edit Makefile.PL |
| 19:01 | and remove that check. | |
| 19:01 | martinmorris | fair enough, thanks ryan |
| 19:01 | ryan | install the latest (1.20) zoom |
| 19:01 | and it should be fine. | |
| 19:01 | martinmorris | will do, cheers |
| 19:01 | ryan | np |
| 19:06 | martinmorris | and i'm assumign it's the standard perl Makefile.PL in the kohaclone directory? |
| 19:10 | ryan | martinmorris: the installer is currently being revised... |
| 19:10 | i know chris has done some work on it and will know its state better | |
| 19:10 | he should be back shortly | |
| 19:10 | martinmorris | ah OK, and i take it there's no notes or anything like that at this stage? |
| 19:11 | ryan | no - we should have a developer's release out in the next couple weeks |
| 19:11 | it'll be cleaned up by then | |
| 19:11 | martinmorris | so i'm not going to be able to install it that easily then? |
| 19:12 | chris | yeah it works now |
| 19:12 | martinmorris | i checked out my copy last night, do i need to check it out again? |
| 19:12 | chris | nope none of my patches have made it through yet |
| 19:13 | martinmorris | fair enough |
| 19:13 | perl Makefile.PL -> make -> make install? | |
| 19:13 | chris | there is a patch from slef waiting for the RM to check which fixes the check for the |
| 19:13 | zoom | |
| 19:14 | what i have been working on is making it work better | |
| 19:14 | :) | |
| 19:14 | martinmorris | :) |
| 19:14 | chris | perl Makefile.pl PREFIX=/somewhere |
| 19:14 | if you want | |
| 19:14 | currently the make will try to copy things | |
| 19:14 | what i have been doing, is making it so nothing is copied until make install | |
| 19:14 | ie more standard | |
| 19:15 | ryan | chris: so PREFIX is working now ? |
| 19:15 | chris | and making it easier to get the right record.abs file for zebra (unimarc or marc21) |
| 19:15 | prefix has worked for a while | |
| 19:15 | what i have done is change it to INSTALL_BASE | |
| 19:16 | which works the way people expect PREFIX to do :) | |
| 19:16 | ryan | but it still installs modules to /usr/local/share... ? |
| 19:16 | fbcit | PREFIX/share.... |
| 19:16 | chris | in its current version it might |
| 19:17 | i think its the cgi-bin its doing wrong | |
| 19:17 | martinmorris | mine was trying to copy stuff to /usr/local/lib/cgi-bin/koha |
| 19:17 | chris | yeah thats the one it does wrong |
| 19:18 | cgi-bin | |
| 19:18 | on the make | |
| 19:18 | martinmorris | yep |
| 19:18 | chris | that should be fixed soon |
| 19:18 | ive just sent all my patches to galen who is gonna be taking over fixing the installer | |
| 19:18 | martinmorris | ok |
| 19:18 | will there be a z39.50 server included? | |
| 19:19 | chris | yep, if you are running zebra |
| 19:19 | martinmorris | marvellous |
| 19:19 | chris | then its a z3950 server |
| 19:19 | martinmorris | OK |
| 19:19 | need to learn more about that | |
| 19:23 | but in the meantime i'm not going to be able to install this easily without asking lots of questions i take it? :) | |
| 19:27 | chris | lemme just check the wiki |
| 19:28 | nope no good page there | |
| 19:29 | basically you perl Makefile.PL | |
| 19:29 | make | |
| 19:29 | make install | |
| 19:29 | set up your db, and a user and password | |
| 19:29 | edit koha-httpd.conf | |
| 19:29 | and koha-conf.xml | |
| 19:29 | hit the staff site in your browser (after restarting apache) | |
| 19:30 | and the web installer does the rest | |
| 19:31 | then its just setting up zebra after that | |
| 19:31 | fbcit | martinmorris: take a look @ README.txt |
| 19:32 | martinmorris | what about the cgi-bin copy problems at the make install stage? |
| 19:35 | fbcit | actually, as chris mentioned, the installer does "work" in its present state. |
| 19:36 | martinmorris | including the cgi-bin bit? |
| 19:37 | fbcit | right |
| 19:37 | martinmorris | he just said it was the cgi-bin bit it was doing wrong, am I being a bit blonde? |
| 19:37 | :) | |
| 19:38 | chris | its wrong, but it works :) |
| 19:38 | fbcit | what it is doing wrong does not equate to "doesn't work"... :-) |
| 19:38 | martinmorris | ah, got you :) |
| 19:38 | fbcit | though one might think the two are eq... |
| 19:38 | martinmorris | thanks for your patience |
| 19:39 | one last question, i assume i don't play with this on a machine which already runs koha 2.2 happily? | |
| 19:41 | chris | i wouldnt :) |
| 19:41 | martinmorris | cheers :) |
| 19:41 | chris | but if you wanted to, you could take a copy of your 2.2 database |
| 19:42 | and copy it somewhere and then after doing the make install | |
| 19:42 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=22_to_30 | |
| 19:42 | but its probably best to play with a fresh 3.0 first | |
| 19:42 | martinmorris | i think so |
| 21:20 | owen | Hmmm... can't log out of the OPAC |
| 21:26 | Anyone here know how anonymous suggestions work? The description says "Set to anonymous borrowernumber to enable Anonymous suggestions" | |
| 21:26 | What is an anonymous borrowernumber? | |
| 21:28 | kados | it's the borrower that you want the anonoymous suggestions set to |
| 21:28 | ie, they are still linked to an account | |
| 21:29 | owen | Hi kados. So you create a dummy account or something? |
| 21:29 | kados | yea, exactly |
| 21:29 | can't log out of the opac sounds like a bug | |
| 21:31 | owen | I thought I saw a commit related to logouts recently, but now I can't put my finger on it |
| 21:32 | Oh, there it is http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]541eb04e00d5ac45d | |
| 21:35 | I was pointing to opac-logout.pl instead of opac-main.pl. Silly me :) | |
| 21:37 | chris | heh |
| 21:54 | owen | I log in as one user to add a purchase suggestion. When I submit the form the page reloads and I'm told there are no purchase suggestions (instead of showing me mine) |
| 21:54 | When I log in to the OPAC as another user (a superlibrarian, by the way), I see my suggestions and the one I submitted as the other user | |
| 21:56 | kados | hmmm |
| 21:56 | sounds like a bug | |
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| 08:08 | JYL57 | hi koha world, paul, hdl around ?! |
| 08:08 | js | hi JYL57 |
| 08:09 | hdl | hi$ |
| 08:23 | chris | hi hdl |
| 08:23 | some patches from joshua should have come through now | |
| 08:24 | so hopefully the search is working better and did you see that you can turn the stemming/left truncation off in system preferences? | |
| 08:25 | and hi paul and jyl57 :) | |
| 08:25 | paul | hello chris. |
| 08:25 | hdl | IT was not stemming. |
| 08:26 | It was an unfortunate copy/paste on ccl.properties which added 5=1 to author | |
| 08:26 | chris | ahhh |
| 08:26 | cool paul | |
| 08:29 | paul: you use mandriva? | |
| 08:29 | paul | yep |
| 08:29 | 2008 | |
| 08:29 | chris | cool |
| 08:29 | hdl | ccl.properties in /etc contains 5=1 for some attributes |
| 08:30 | chris | at least i know it can be done :) |
| 08:30 | ahh, 5=1 is the truncation? | |
| 08:31 | hdl | yes |
| 08:36 | chris | paul: whats the biggest library you have running nozebra? |
| 08:36 | paul | live ? |
| 08:36 | chris | oh have tested |
| 08:36 | paul | i have only 1 and it's 30 000 items |
| 08:36 | chris | oh = or (cant type) |
| 08:36 | paul | same answer |
| 08:36 | chris | :) |
| 08:37 | paul | but ENSMP, that is more than 100 000 items wide will move to 3.0 NZ soon |
| 08:37 | as they can't install zebra (their techie guys refuses if I have understood well) | |
| 08:37 | chris | i plan to do some testing with one that is 148472 items |
| 08:38 | so i will let you know what performance i get | |
| 08:38 | paul | the reindexing will be quite long I bet... |
| 08:38 | chris | yep |
| 08:38 | paul | i'm sure it will be OK (and much faster than for 2.2) |
| 08:38 | chris | but i think it will be much faster than 2.2 |
| 08:38 | heh | |
| 08:38 | great minds think alike :) | |
| 08:39 | i really like how you can define the indexes, thats really neat, you guys did a great job there | |
| 08:40 | paul | so we just lack a release now :-\ |
| 08:41 | chris | yep i think once this installer is fixed, very close now, and search is fixed then release time |
| 08:41 | i sent all my patches i did on the installer to galen who is going to test and fix | |
| 08:42 | and kados is working hard on fixing the search, so im hopeful we can release soon | |
| 08:47 | JYL57 | it would be a nice christmas gift ! ;-) |
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| 10:30 | hdl | kados, Joshua : hi. |
| 10:31 | You work on searches and it is obvious it works better. | |
| 10:31 | Some questions though. | |
| 10:32 | When searching kw, things are queried as if it was phrase. | |
| 10:32 | For instance, I searched particules test | |
| 10:33 | It searched not a wordlist "particules" "test". | |
| 10:33 | But the expression : "particules test" | |
| 10:33 | Is this the expected behaviour ? | |
| 10:33 | Is there a way to search on wordlist by default ? | |
| 10:34 | You told me it would be so. But it seems it is not. | |
| 10:34 | Is there a ccl atribute or a pqf attribute I should remove ? | |
| 10:37 | I tried with s=pw but it would not answer the way I want | |
| 10:39 | looking at zebra query, @attr 4=1 appears when I didnot ask for it. | |
| 10:39 | And did not add it to ccl.properties |
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