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| 14:42 | owen | Does the OPAC's subject cloud feature need special configuration? |
| 14:42 | kados | owen: no, but you do need to run a script to get it working |
| 14:42 | I'll give you the syntax ... just a sec | |
| 14:42 | yea | |
| 14:43 | well frankly I looked at that feature over the weekend, along with the 'hierarchy' one and they aren't really ready for 3.0 IMO | |
| 14:43 | unfortunately | |
| 14:43 | owen | Hi atz |
| 14:44 | atz | greets owen |
| 14:44 | kados | owen: perl/misc/build_browser_and_cloud.pl -f 050a -t 650 -c |
| 14:45 | that will get you a subject cloud composed of 650 fields | |
| 14:45 | owen: but the browser feature doesn't work currently | |
| 14:45 | we need to write an english DDC and/or LOC mapping between classification and 'definition' | |
| 14:45 | I think this feature should be disabled by default for 3.0 | |
| 14:46 | and perhaps emerge as an official feature in 3.2 or thereafter | |
| 14:46 | hdl or paul around? | |
| 14:46 | paul | yep |
| 14:46 | hdl | yes |
| 14:47 | kados | I think we need to talk soon about the searching api |
| 14:47 | paul | hi kados. I agree about having this feature of by default. |
| 14:47 | I wanted to suggest it... as search is badly broken | |
| 14:47 | (i'm investigating why, and it appears that it's related to the API) | |
| 14:47 | kados | because the pattern thusfar seems to be that we are overwriting each other's code and breaking features that are important |
| 14:48 | paul | atm, the search on author don't work for us. |
| 14:48 | kados | yep |
| 14:48 | hdl | And in fact, search on anything but kw |
| 14:48 | kados | in dev_week the search works nearly perfectly |
| 14:48 | hdl | is broken. |
| 14:49 | paul | I think it's related to index / limits variables |
| 14:49 | kados | there were quite a few changes introduced, some of them I'm not sure I understand |
| 14:49 | especially related to the limits | |
| 14:49 | that section has been re-written | |
| 14:50 | one thing that I find strange | |
| 14:50 | in addition | |
| 14:50 | is the use of wrdl | |
| 14:50 | ie, where I would just use kw, it seems you tend to use kw,wrdl | |
| 14:51 | I don't understand the justification for that | |
| 14:51 | also, some of the other ccl qualifiers have changed names | |
| 14:51 | rt has turned into rtrn | |
| 14:51 | same with lt | |
| 14:52 | and the human_search_desc seems to have been completely refactored | |
| 14:52 | paul | kw, drdl I can explain. I don't know for the others |
| 14:52 | kados | also, I made an effort to document carefully every block in Search.pm |
| 14:53 | but a lot of the new stuff isn't documented in the code at all | |
| 14:53 | paul | when you search "the two towers" as kw. Don't you expect to get all biblios with "two" and "towers" in the biblio ? |
| 14:53 | (whereever those words are) | |
| 14:53 | kados | yep |
| 14:53 | I understand what wrdl is | |
| 14:54 | paul | how can you achieve that without wrdl ? |
| 14:54 | kados | but I don't understand why you need to define it as user-facing search syntax |
| 14:54 | just map it to word list behind the scenes | |
| 14:54 | paul | user facing search ??? |
| 14:54 | kados | (what the user sees) |
| 14:55 | paul | the user don't see it (unless he looks at the html, of course) |
| 14:55 | whay you would prefer would be to have that at zebra level ? | |
| 14:55 | kados | keyword is defined as a wordlist already |
| 14:56 | paul | maybe I made wrong then. hdl, any idea ? |
| 14:56 | kados | so it's unnecessary to add wrdl to the definition |
| 14:56 | paul | (or maybe my zebra config file was/is wrong, and I solved the problem an improper way) |
| 14:56 | kados | same applies for au, ti, etc. |
| 14:59 | hdl | kados : in fact, changes are mostly due to the fact that some searches and links were used an unexpected way. |
| 15:00 | For instance human search desc was used for page searching. | |
| 15:01 | I thought it was your way to think things. | |
| 15:01 | So I had to make human searchdesc be something taht could be processed by zebra. | |
| 15:02 | kados | hmmm |
| 15:02 | hdl | (which to my mind was quite unclear since zebra ccl is not what I would call human readable) |
| 15:02 | kados | human search shoudln't have been used for page searching |
| 15:02 | wait ... | |
| 15:02 | no, not human search | |
| 15:02 | federated search | |
| 15:02 | that's the one that is machine readable | |
| 15:03 | human search is human readable | |
| 15:04 | hdl | About wrdl, I thought that use simple blocks was much more efficient on the long run than hiding all the wrdl in ccl.properties. |
| 15:04 | if you take au = au,wrdl | |
| 15:05 | you cannot do a search au,phr | |
| 15:05 | kados | wrdl is zebra's default |
| 15:05 | hdl | No. |
| 15:05 | kados | so you don't need to define au = au,wrdl |
| 15:05 | hdl | it is not. |
| 15:05 | At first when we typed paul Saint | |
| 15:05 | as an author | |
| 15:06 | we got no or wrong results because it searched paul and then saint | |
| 15:06 | This is why I had to add wrdl. | |
| 15:07 | kados | http://search.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/search |
| 15:07 | paul | (hdl is not speaking of me here, he speak of the St paul of the holy bible ;-) ) |
| 15:07 | kados | hehe |
| 15:07 | hdl: take a look at the way it works in dev_week | |
| 15:07 | we have au and au,phr | |
| 15:08 | in ccl.properties: | |
| 15:08 | Author 5=1 1=1003 s=pw | |
| 15:08 | au Author | |
| 15:08 | and then: | |
| 15:08 | st-phrase 4=1 | |
| 15:08 | phr st-phrase | |
| 15:09 | hdl | s stands for ? |
| 15:10 | kados | structure |
| 15:10 | identical to 4 | |
| 15:10 | hdl | In our ccl.properties until today, we donot have s=pw |
| 15:10 | kados | yep, someone removed it I'm afraid |
| 15:11 | hdl | It is not added for all the subjects. |
| 15:11 | which should be searchable via word or phrase. | |
| 15:12 | kados | for subjects we should have two options: |
| 15:12 | hdl | (I found it on your /etc/ccl.properties) |
| 15:12 | kados | 1. with authorities, search authorities db, and show headings in results |
| 15:12 | 2. without authorities, search biblios fields and show results in results | |
| 15:13 | hdl | This would be the same as Auth link vs "Link" link |
| 15:14 | (Where Auth jumps to the authorities and display authnumber=authid) | |
| 15:14 | (Link does a search on the subfield content in biblios) | |
| 15:16 | kados | where is that link? |
| 15:16 | hdl | link is the old feature in koha2.2 |
| 15:16 | which allow you to search biblio database for a value in a field | |
| 15:17 | It use to take in a '200f','200g' list | |
| 15:17 | But now, it takes an index. | |
| 15:18 | kados | right |
| 15:18 | hdl | where is word list stated by default ? |
| 15:19 | kados | word list is default for zebra |
| 15:19 | it's the 'any' definition in bib1 I think | |
| 15:20 | nope, I'm wrong | |
| 15:25 | owen | Is opac/maintenance.pl used? |
| 15:32 | gmcharlt | owen: yes, it's where OPAC user is directed if DB is in need of a databaseupdate |
| 15:33 | owen | Ah, I thought it might be something controlled by a system pref |
| 15:33 | kados | owen: it is controlled by a syspref in dev_week |
| 15:33 | owen: which is useful if you are, for instance, re-indexing your bib data | |
| 15:33 | it's on my list of things to port | |
| 16:07 | owen | In my test installation, there are many places where the call number does not appear (circulation.pl, for instance) |
| 16:07 | ..in the list of checkouts | |
| 16:21 | hdl | kados : is devweek up to date for search code ? |
| 16:22 | Do you think I should investiguate And try harder and get it work on rel_3_0 ? | |
| 16:40 | kados ? | |
| 16:47 | kados : buildQuery seems to always return undef as first parameter. Why is it that way ? | |
| 17:07 | paul | owen around ? |
| 17:07 | owen | yes |
| 17:07 | paul | I've a question about detail.tmpl. |
| 17:07 | is it important for you to have the title in <h1> ? | |
| 17:07 | owen | Why do you ask? |
| 17:07 | paul | because for french libraries, it's something ... mmm... fool ? |
| 17:08 | the ? being that I'm not sure of the term | |
| 17:08 | owen | I don't understand |
| 17:08 | paul | but they find that : strange, annoying, non isbd standard, and many other adverb that I can't copy here ;-) |
| 17:08 | they want something like : | |
| 17:08 | title [itemtype] / author | |
| 17:08 | in a standard size, not that large | |
| 17:09 | and in the yui-block, not on top. | |
| 17:09 | so, is it important for us libraries to have things as you did them ? | |
| 17:09 | owen | Can you show me an example of another French interface that uses that kind of formatting? |
| 17:10 | paul | sudoc.abes.fr |
| 17:10 | sudoc catalogue | |
| 17:10 | type "harry potter" in the 1st <input | |
| 17:10 | choose the 1st. | |
| 17:10 | you should see : | |
| 17:11 | Titre : Harry Potter et la coupe de feu [Texte imprimé] / J. K. Rowling ; trad. de l'anglais par Jean-François Ménard | |
| 17:11 | owen | I can't reach http://sudoc.abes.fr/ |
| 17:11 | paul | title : Harry potter and the fire cup [printed] / JK Rowling, translated from english by JF Ménard |
| 17:11 | www.sudoc.abes.fr maybe ? | |
| 17:12 | yep | |
| 17:14 | owen | I'm not sure how to solve our difference. All the major examples I look at show it as a heading: http://worldcat.org/oclc/271160 |
| 17:14 | http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/0670038199 | |
| 17:14 | http://www.librarything.com/work/5969 | |
| 17:15 | paul | http://www.librarything.com/?highload=1 :( |
| 17:18 | owen | anyway, you get the idea. To me the format in the sudoc example is less friendly |
| 17:19 | hdl | owen : but it is less useful for a research index. |
| 17:19 | paul | owen : maybe moving the title inside the yui-b & lowering the size ot the title could be more friendly. |
| 17:19 | owen | I'm not sure what you mean, hdl |
| 17:20 | paul | + I thing the large space between the 2 columns is something that make the libraries unhappy |
| 17:21 | hdl | if you are a student or a searcher, having things presented in a way that is close to normalized ISBD is more interesting. |
| 17:21 | owen | Then shouldn't ISBD be set as the default biblio view for those institutions? |
| 17:22 | hdl | (If we had zotero interface, this argument would not be so interesting. But at the moment, since we have many institutions ...) |
| 17:51 | paul | owen: in the bibloitems table, there is a "place" table. |
| 17:51 | is it for the "place of publication" or is there another meaning for this "place"? | |
| 17:52 | owen | place of publication. |
| 17:52 | paul | (this "place" is not in detail.tmpl, and could be added) |
| 17:52 | owen | Ah, you're right. |
| 18:13 | paul: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhm2vzk_3fpwjqc | |
| 18:14 | kados: that also shows the view tabs I worked on the other day (still not committed) | |
| 18:19 | hdl | owen : when there is many notes, things are quite unbalanced. |
| 18:20 | owen | the alternative is to stick with the single-column layout of 2.x |
| 19:29 | Should the ISBD view be considered a replacement for the "normal" view? Will ISBD fans want to see the normal view too? | |
| 19:33 | ISBD doesn't show holdings, of course... | |
| 20:25 | ryan: kados and I have been trying to draw a distinction between "views" and "actions" in the UI, with actions in a toolbar and views in a sidebar menu | |
| 20:26 | That's our justification for moving the views out of the toolbar | |
| 20:33 | fbcit | g'afternoon koha |
| 20:39 | hdl | owen: about your question for ISBD. The fact is that information from one view to another is not the same. |
| 20:41 | For instance ISBD can provide ppl with higly personnalized URLs, so that you can have links on MANY information and display only selected and required information | |
| 20:41 | owen | hdl: Sure, but if a library wants the ISBD view, wouldn't they want it to contain all the information the "normal" view includes? why would they want to switch between the two? |
| 20:41 | hdl | Normal viw has availability statuses. |
| 20:41 | Normal view has availability statuses, which MARC and ISBD has not. | |
| 20:42 | MARC is quite convenient when cataloguing is concerned. | |
| 20:42 | owen | But that could be easily fixed, if it were preferable to have ISBD as the primary view instead of normal. |
| 20:46 | hdl | then librarians would be able to have a very flexible and customizable display system. |
| 20:47 | Because Normal view will always be a problem. Some will want it amazon way, others abes way, others star trek way. | |
| 20:48 | martinmorris | hello, can someone point me to instructions on how to checkout the version 3.0 beta |
| 20:56 | kados | martinmorris: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]lopment:git_usage |
| 20:57 | hdl: I've committed the xslt example I think | |
| 20:57 | hdl: if you look at the actual stylesheet it's really simple | |
| 20:57 | hdl: could take you about 20 minutes to do a unimarc one I bet | |
| 20:58 | martinmorris | ah marvellous, thanks kados |
| 20:58 | fbcit | kados: you were looking me earlier? |
| 20:58 | kados | fbcit: ahh, yea, just wanted to let you know I had chris working on the installer a bit over the weekend |
| 20:59 | fbcit | great! what's new? I sent up a couple of patches to change the zebradb dir structure to make more sense... |
| 20:59 | kados | there are a few patches ... but I think we need to take a few of the issues to koha-devel |
| 20:59 | fbcit | k |
| 20:59 | kados | ahh, cool, well chris can see how they fit in with what he did too |
| 20:59 | where to put things seems to be the trickiest part :-) | |
| 20:59 | there don't seem to be any conventions unfortunately | |
| 21:00 | for a full blown web app anyway | |
| 21:00 | fbcit | I simply broke out into markflavour to be consistent... |
| 21:00 | kados | cool |
| 21:00 | fbcit | with existing structures in koha... |
| 21:00 | kados | chris did much the same with marcflavour and language IIRC |
| 21:00 | fbcit | I was working on adding lang selection to makefile.... |
| 21:01 | kados | chris did that bit already |
| 21:01 | fbcit | it appears that rfc has changed |
| 21:01 | kados | rfc? |
| 21:01 | you mean rfc4646? | |
| 21:02 | fbcit | that's the one... gmcharlt mentioned 3066, but I "discovered" 4646 Friday... |
| 21:02 | kados | yea, 3066 is obsoleted |
| 21:02 | by 4646 | |
| 21:02 | fbcit | so what's left? |
| 21:02 | kados | I've actually already written code to handle that |
| 21:02 | parsing the language code strings that is | |
| 21:02 | hdl | kados : will you answer my questions on buildQuery ? |
| 21:02 | kados | hdl: which questions? |
| 21:02 | fbcit: yea, it's a nightmare of a regex, lemme tell ya :-) | |
| 21:03 | hdl | <hdl> kados : is devweek up to date for search code ? |
| 21:03 | [17:30:52] <hdl> Do you think I should investiguate And try harder and get it work on rel_3_0 ? | |
| 21:03 | [17:48:26] atz [~chatzillacpe-71-74-91-27.insight.res.rr.com] a quitté IRC : Quit: viva la koha |
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| 21:03 | [17:49:09] <hdl> kados ? | |
| 21:03 | [17:56:09] <hdl> kados : buildQuery seems to always return undef as first parameter. Why is it that way ? | |
| 21:03 | kados | hdl: I'm working on Search.pm today, I hope to be finished by this evening |
| 21:04 | hdl: unfortunately, though dev_week works quite well, so much has been changed in 3.0 I'm going to have to re-factor what we have | |
| 21:04 | hdl | oh. ok. |
| 21:05 | kados | I should have something for you to test by morning |
| 21:05 | hdl | ok. send it to me. |
| 21:05 | fbcit | kados: so what direction should I proceed? ...talk with chris? |
| 21:07 | kados | fbcit: yea, I'd say talk with chris |
| 21:09 | chris: you around? | |
| 21:09 | fbcit | chris? |
| 21:09 | heh | |
| 21:09 | what do they say? Great minds get stuck in the same rut? | |
| 21:09 | kados | hehe |
| 21:10 | fbcit | isn't chris in NZland? |
| 21:10 | kados | yup |
| 21:13 | fbcit | brb |
| 21:26 | ryan | cgi-bin/koha/reserve/renewscript.pl |
| 21:26 | anyone ? | |
| 21:28 | <!--TMPL_IF NAME="issuecount"--> | |
| 21:28 | <form action="/cgi-bin/koha/reserve/renewscript.pl" method="post"> | |
| 21:32 | hmm.... temporary blindness. nm | |
| 21:32 | masonj_ | :) |
| 21:44 | laura | good day |
| 21:44 | can any one advise if this koha open source offers SIP or NCIP? | |
| 21:51 | atz | SIP |
| 21:51 | NCIP is in development, afaict | |
| 21:51 | laura | very exciting! |
| 21:52 | we are a vendor who uses SIP for our library customers and our library customers have asked us to support this | |
| 21:52 | thank you for your answer | |
| 21:52 | atz | ryan or kados would be able to speak more authoritatively |
| 21:54 | laura | Ok I will stay on for them to confirm |
| 21:54 | thank you | |
| 21:54 | ryan | laura: feel free to contact me for details: ryan.higginsliblime.com |
| 21:54 | yes, the upcoming release support SIP2 | |
| 21:56 | laura | thanks I will email you. we have several customers that have asked if they can use your service with our service I will email you the details |
| 21:56 | ryan | great, i'll look for your email |
| 22:02 | fbcit | chris: ping |
| 22:03 | masonj_ | fbcit , chris is out, back in about 1.5 - 2 hours |
| 22:08 | martinmorris | can someone remind me where i get zoom 1.16 from? |
| 22:12 | ryan | http://search.cpan.org/~mirk/Net-Z3950-ZOOM-1.16/ |
| 22:13 | martinmorris: do you have problems with 1.20 ? | |
| 22:18 | masonj | . |
| 23:56 | fbcit-1 | hi chris |
| 02:18 | hi chris | |
| 02:19 | -;-) | |
| 02:22 | chris | you were after me before? |
| 02:24 | fbcit-1 | chris: kados said you worked on the installer this weekend. |
| 02:24 | I was wondering where things stand and what direction I need to go... | |
| 02:27 | chris | right |
| 02:28 | currently what i have done is get it so it sets up the right zebra files so if you choose unimarc it copies the right file to be record.abs | |
| 02:29 | fbcit-1 | I assume that is based on the value of MARCFLAVOUR? |
| 02:29 | chris | this is the Makefile.PL |
| 02:29 | fbcit-1 | right |
| 02:30 | chris | so yeah it can be an ENV or it can prompt when you run perl Makefile.PL |
| 02:30 | fbcit-1 | I was referring to an env var. |
| 02:30 | chris | it'll prompt if there isnt an env var set |
| 02:31 | same with language (for zebra only en or fr at this stage) | |
| 02:31 | fbcit-1 | how about the language selection? |
| 02:31 | so the installer is done? | |
| 02:31 | chris | and it will copy the right sort-string.chr |
| 02:31 | not quite ive been moving the opac scripts out of hte same dir as the staff side on install | |
| 02:33 | and im not sure the templates should end up under lib/perl5/koha/templates | |
| 02:33 | thats about it | |
| 02:34 | fbcit-1 | sounds good. |
| 02:40 | tnx chris. | |
| 08:07 | hdl | chris ? |
| 08:07 | chris | hi hdl |
| 08:07 | hdl | hi how are you ? |
| 08:08 | chris | good thanks, kahurangi turned 1 year old today |
| 08:08 | so he has gone to bed with his new teddy bear :) | |
| 08:08 | hdl | happy birthday kahurangi |
| 08:08 | masonj | heya hdl |
| 08:09 | hdl | I was wondering whether joshua could fix search problems. |
| 08:09 | hi masonj | |
| 08:09 | chris | ahh i havent seen a patch yet, i think he is still working on them |
| 08:13 | i have 34 patches that i have checked and sent through | |
| 08:14 | that are waiting for joshua to check | |
| 08:14 | but lots of them are from paul | |
| 08:15 | i expect ill have some from joshua waiting when i wake up | |
| 08:15 | he is concentrating on fixing search | |
| 08:16 | hdl | In fact, I would have liked to test what joshua did in order to improve for us or adapt our defaults configuration files. |
| 08:16 | chris | right |
| 08:17 | if i see him, ill ask him to cc you on any patches he sends | |
| 08:18 | hdl | hopefully, i will catch him before you. |
| 08:18 | chris | yep, 3.20am for him so he will be awake before me :) |
| 08:24 | hdl | :D |
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