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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:33 | kados | paul_: are you here? |
| 12:33 | paul_ | yep |
| 12:33 | kados | hi :-) |
| 12:33 | paul | & somewhat available |
| 12:33 | kados | paul_: i've got a question about the french translation |
| 12:33 | paul | hello & good morning to you |
| 12:34 | kados | there's a 'fr' directory in the repository, is that supposed to be there? |
| 12:34 | or are fr templates auto-magically generated? | |
| 12:34 | paul | french templates are in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/fr |
| 12:34 | kados | right |
| 12:35 | paul | and generated by misc/translator/tmpl_process3.pl install -s ... -o ... -i ... |
| 12:35 | kados | my question is, if a change is made to prog/en, how does it get to prog/fr? |
| 12:35 | ahh, ok | |
| 12:35 | so why should they be in the repo? | |
| 12:35 | should they be? or should it be a step for installation? | |
| 12:35 | paul | you won ;-) |
| 12:36 | I wanted to write that, until the library can choose which language to install, it has to be in the repo | |
| 12:36 | kados | ok |
| 12:36 | cool idea ;-) | |
| 12:36 | paul | but not that easy to write |
| 12:36 | tmpl_install can be quite long. | |
| 12:37 | and could reach apache timeout limit if the user set up too many languages | |
| 12:37 | kados | yep |
| 12:37 | paul: I have made some major changes to virtual shelves recently, changed the nomenclature and moved them to be biblio-level instead of item-level (so you can add a biblio with no items to a virtual shelf) ... do you have any objection to such a change? | |
| 12:38 | (NPL and several other clients wanted it to be biblio level instead of item level) | |
| 12:38 | paul | just to let you know : I just told yesterday to my 2 "students" that I didn't know why virtualshelves were on item level, and it was probalby a design error ;-) |
| 12:39 | kados | hehe |
| 12:39 | cool | |
| 12:40 | paul | did you had a chance to look at the new marc editor ? |
| 12:40 | I think there is 1 very interesting feature missing, that I plan to add asap : | |
| 12:40 | kados | not yet, but I'll look today |
| 12:41 | paul | when a field is not mandatory, and has no subfield = all subfields are hidden. And you'll have to click on the field description to "open" the subfield list. |
| 12:41 | with this small feature, I think the new editor will rock. | |
| 12:42 | kados | :-) |
| 12:42 | paul | do you use qgit ? |
| 12:42 | kados | sounds like a cool feature, similar to the 'visibility' feature I think |
| 12:43 | no, just git | |
| 12:43 | paul | you should try it... |
| 12:43 | very very nice to see commits, patches and history. | |
| 12:43 | kados | cool |
| 12:43 | paul: chris and I have to get breakfast, but we'll be back shortly | |
| 12:43 | paul: I have some additional questions for you | |
| 12:44 | paul | I'll be close |
| 12:44 | (leaving in 3 hours) | |
| 13:21 | kados | hehe |
| 13:21 | paul | and me or and chris ? |
| 13:21 | "and me" or "and chris" ? | |
| 13:21 | kados | oops |
| 13:22 | :-) | |
| 13:22 | and chris I mean | |
| 13:23 | chris | cool |
| 13:27 | heya dbs | |
| 13:28 | dbs | Hi Chris! Yeah, I've been negligent :( |
| 13:28 | paul | who is dbs ? |
| 13:28 | dbs | paul: Dan Scott |
| 13:29 | paul | whois told me. but who is dan scott ??? |
| 13:29 | chris | a canadian and a coffee drinker :) |
| 13:29 | Dan works on evergreen a lot | |
| 13:29 | dbs | Paul -- http://coffeecode.net |
| 13:30 | I was hoping to get hands-on with a koha 3.0 release candidate this summer, but I'm running out of time :( | |
| 13:30 | but I'm happy to here about cleaning of kohastructure.sql :) | |
| 13:30 | chris | :) |
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| 13:52 | paul | I'm not sure of what i'll see when you validate my commits and I git pull. So let me know when you've done it. |
| 13:53 | I just had : | |
| 13:53 | [paullocalhost head]$ git pull |
|
| 13:53 | remote: Generating pack... | |
| 13:53 | remote: Done counting 178 objects. | |
| 13:53 | Result has 120 objects. | |
| 13:53 | remote: Deltifying 120 objects... | |
| 13:53 | chris | yep |
| 13:53 | paul | remote: 20/120) done20) done |
| 13:53 | Indexing 120 objects. | |
| 13:53 | remote: Total 120 (delta 84), reused 120 (delta 84) | |
| 13:53 | 100% (120/120) done | |
| 13:53 | Resolving 84 deltas. | |
| 13:54 | 100% (84/84) done | |
| 13:54 | chris | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]?p=Koha;a=summary |
| 13:54 | paul | 45 objects were added to complete this thin pack. |
| 13:54 | * refs/remotes/origin/master: fast forward to branch 'master' of git://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha | |
| 13:54 | old..new: 8ee8811..e9ae8c0 | |
| 13:54 | 100% (1/1) done | |
| 13:54 | Already uptodate! | |
| 13:54 | Merge made by recursive. | |
| 13:54 | does that mean i've pulled my own changes, and git had nothing to pull ? | |
| 13:54 | chris | yep |
| 13:55 | paul | I don't understand what means : |
| 13:55 | - Merge branch 'master' of ... | |
| 13:55 | and 'patches from paul' | |
| 13:58 | chris | thats merging the changes into the public repository |
| 13:58 | paul | so you validate them then kados publishes them ? |
| 13:59 | it means we will have 3 "lines" for each commit someone does ? | |
| 14:00 | chris | sometimes, but in this case we have 14 commits from you, then 1 from me and 1 from kados |
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| 15:17 | kados | hiya foxnorth |
| 15:17 | paul | kados : http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.[…]uing/addbiblio.pl |
| 15:17 | (login abel / abel ) | |
| 15:17 | kados | looking |
| 15:17 | cool | |
| 15:18 | that's gonna be a big time saver | |
| 15:18 | paul | yep |
| 15:18 | kados | how does it handle the IDs? |
| 15:18 | incremental? | |
| 15:18 | paul | toins rewrote all the editor. |
| 15:18 | I don't know every details... | |
| 15:18 | I just gave him the goal | |
| 15:19 | kados | *nod* |
| 15:19 | tag_020_527881 | |
| 15:19 | is the id of the first 020 field | |
| 15:19 | I wonder if that increments | |
| 15:19 | paul | iirc, there is a random() part in the id |
| 15:20 | note that the + on fields doesn't require a post anymore. | |
| 15:21 | mmm... a git question : | |
| 15:21 | git format-patch origin will create ALL my patches forever ? | |
| 15:21 | even once it has been validated & added to the public repo ? | |
| 15:21 | (question for chris) | |
| 15:21 | quite inconvenient... | |
| 15:22 | chris | ahh you dont want to do origin |
| 15:22 | paul | what do I want to do then ? :-D |
| 15:22 | chris | try git-format-patch -2 |
| 15:22 | that will git you a patch for your last commit only | |
| 15:22 | paul | what means "last" ? |
| 15:22 | chris | or last 2 |
| 15:22 | paul | ll |
| 15:23 | isn't there a way to say "all patches I havent mailed yet" ? | |
| 15:23 | chris | or you can go git-format-patch REV1 REV2 |
| 15:24 | and that will make a patch for between those | |
| 15:24 | not sure have a read of | |
| 15:24 | http://www.kernel.org/pub/soft[…]format-patch.html | |
| 17:54 | kados | foxnorth: you around? |
| 17:56 | on eowyn I get: db error: SQLite prepare() failed: ERROR: SQL logic error or missing database DETAILS: no such table: Records EXPRESSION: delete from Records where status="" | |
| 17:58 | foxnorth | hey kados-- forgot to mention this |
| 17:59 | in firebug run "resetDatabase()" | |
| 17:59 | and refresh | |
| 18:06 | kados | ok |
| 18:07 | foxnorth | kados: you can still run search (despite partially obscured search bar) for xml, keyword |
| 18:07 | kados | hehe, this is slick |
| 18:11 | impressive foxnorth | |
| 18:12 | foxnorth | i think i like this email-client-like interface! |
| 18:12 | btw i was going to ask you about saving | |
| 18:13 | i have it set up so that if you have a record open in the marc editor | |
| 18:13 | and you haven't yet saved it anywhere | |
| 18:13 | clicking the save button (button #1 on toolbar) saves it to Drafts | |
| 18:13 | like an email program might | |
| 18:13 | otherwise if you've opened the record from a particular save file | |
| 18:13 | kados | right |
| 18:13 | foxnorth | of course it saves the results to that one |
| 18:13 | kados | well, i was thinking abotu that too |
| 18:13 | foxnorth | sound good? |
| 18:14 | kados | yea, that makes perfect sense |
| 18:14 | foxnorth | hhm i need to check that search results grid |
| 18:14 | kados | I woudl say where's the save button? |
| 18:14 | foxnorth | it's the first button (you can hover for tooltip) |
| 18:14 | kados | huh, i don't see it |
| 18:15 | ahh | |
| 18:15 | now I do | |
| 18:15 | ok | |
| 18:15 | here's what I'd do | |
| 18:15 | I'd remove the whole row where the buttons are now | |
| 18:15 | foxnorth | uh huh |
| 18:15 | kados | and move the buttons to reside right where the folder name is displayed inside the edit panel |
| 18:16 | foxnorth | i see |
| 18:16 | so i could make them a toolbar for that contentpanel | |
| 18:16 | which would be easy i think with ext | |
| 18:16 | kados | and I'd put a Save label on it to the right of the icon |
| 18:16 | foxnorth | and then it'd be clear they go with that |
| 18:16 | kados | yea, exactly |
| 18:16 | foxnorth | defiately need labels |
| 18:16 | not tomention bigger and nicer icons! | |
| 18:16 | ok that make sense | |
| 18:16 | kados | and that can be contextual |
| 18:16 | foxnorth | right |
| 18:17 | i'll update it as you change views | |
| 18:17 | kados | cuz you'll want the same toolbar in the results page |
| 18:17 | just different buttons | |
| 18:17 | foxnorth | right |
| 18:17 | in fact we should discuss exactly which buttons | |
| 18:17 | we'd like where... | |
| 18:17 | obviously save | |
| 18:17 | for search and savefile views | |
| 18:17 | kados | I think I had a list at one point |
| 18:17 | lemme see if I can find it | |
| 18:18 | foxnorth | hhm lemme see maybe it's in that email from a week or 2 back |
| 18:18 | ok think i've got it | |
| 18:19 | actually not really | |
| 18:20 | kados | New, Refresh, Move, Print, Edit |
| 18:20 | for the results page I think | |
| 18:21 | foxnorth | could add Export? |
| 18:21 | kados | yea |
| 18:22 | Save, Export, Cancel, Save Draft, Merge, Validate, Options (select template) | |
| 18:22 | for the edit page I think | |
| 18:22 | ahh, print too | |
| 18:22 | foxnorth | yeah Validate is a good one |
| 18:22 | kados | Save, Export, Cancel, Save Draft, Merge, Validate, Print, Options |
| 18:22 | foxnorth | can post to marc::record in perl script |
| 18:23 | kados | yea, probably marc::lint |
| 18:23 | foxnorth | right |
| 18:23 | kados | with Merge, you find another record and it shows them side by side |
| 18:24 | jaron | MARC::Lint++ |
| 18:24 | foxnorth | that sounds cool |
| 18:26 | kados | yea, it's really nice |
| 18:26 | and you can always add your own checks too | |
| 18:27 | foxnorth | right |
| 18:27 | extensibility++ | |
| 18:27 | just thinking how to implement the merge idea | |
| 18:27 | popup a dialog box w/ the search results grid and user can dbl click | |
| 18:28 | kados | yea |
| 18:28 | and maybe they can do a new earch too | |
| 18:28 | and/or upload a new record on th fly | |
| 18:28 | or use one in the saved folders | |
| 18:28 | foxnorth | good points |
| 18:28 | kados | basically, passing these objects around as much as possible |
| 18:29 | foxnorth | so maybe just let them pick another record however they want |
| 18:29 | kados | yea |
| 18:29 | foxnorth | then they can click on an Editor button |
| 18:29 | and it'll open the marceditor with those records in split panels? | |
| 18:29 | kados | yea |
| 18:29 | field1 <- field2 | |
| 18:30 | and if you click on <- it 'steals' the value ofrom field2 or something | |
| 18:30 | I dunno | |
| 18:30 | foxnorth | well that would be cool! |
| 18:30 | kados | merging is hard |
| 18:30 | foxnorth | yeah |
| 18:30 | that would take some work | |
| 18:30 | kados | yep |
| 18:30 | I think we focus on the editor | |
| 18:30 | first | |
| 18:30 | add merging later | |
| 18:30 | foxnorth | yeah let's get that working well |
| 18:30 | agreed | |
| 18:30 | jaron | have it in mind when designing but --yeah focus on the editor first :) |
| 18:30 | kados | but we can put the merge button in :-) |
| 18:31 | foxnorth | sure |
| 18:31 | ok so next steps lemme get the toolbars setup and in place in the ui | |
| 18:31 | and fix that searchbar being cut off | |
| 18:31 | also the status bar at teh bottom is kind of annoying | |
| 18:31 | although the status updates are good | |
| 18:31 | kados | you could do it in the center of the page |
| 18:31 | foxnorth | i was thinking maybe just a status message coudl display or someting |
| 18:32 | kados | a little twirly thingy |
| 18:32 | like you have on initial page load | |
| 18:32 | foxnorth | yeah that's a good idea |
| 18:32 | kados | it could also give other feedback |
| 18:32 | like if the search failed, etc. | |
| 18:32 | foxnorth | right |
| 18:32 | kados | what would be cool |
| 18:33 | is if you had a little [!] bottom left | |
| 18:33 | and it would go 'hide' there after it displayed | |
| 18:33 | foxnorth | the msg box you mean? |
| 18:33 | kados | yea |
| 18:33 | like the apple minimize function | |
| 18:33 | foxnorth | i think there are some jquery plugins that do stuff like that |
| 18:33 | kados | yea, I figured |
| 18:33 | foxnorth | i could check into |
| 18:34 | kados | so if I do a search with 100 results |
| 18:34 | can we make it not scroll at all? | |
| 18:34 | limit to 20 at a time or something | |
| 18:34 | foxnorth | yeah, that might work |
| 18:34 | the paging in teh grid should take care of some of that | |
| 18:34 | kados | and have the <- Page 1 of 1 -> for scrolling |
| 18:35 | foxnorth | right now i think i set it to display in blocks of 25 |
| 18:35 | kados | right |
| 18:35 | foxnorth | but we could lower that, since we've got that preview panel |
| 18:35 | kados | so the page thing you have now is the same row we want our toolbar to be in |
| 18:35 | we can just scoot the pages bit over to the right | |
| 18:35 | foxnorth | gotcha |
| 18:36 | kados | and I don't think we need the Search results row |
| 18:36 | just a waste of vertical space | |
| 18:36 | (sorry for being picky :-) | |
| 18:36 | foxnorth | you're right! |
| 18:36 | and getting rid of the status bar | |
| 18:36 | would free up a little more vertical space | |
| 18:36 | kados | I think status is OK for now |
| 18:36 | that's a nice area | |
| 18:36 | foxnorth | ok |
| 18:36 | kados | we could use it for something |
| 18:37 | foxnorth | got to figure out how not to have it hide stuff in the central panel |
| 18:37 | kados | can't you nest it in the left panel? |
| 18:37 | foxnorth | nest the status bar there? |
| 18:37 | yeah that's a thought | |
| 18:37 | it's small, after all | |
| 18:37 | kados | ahh, also, if I 'hide' the preview panel, I can't get it back |
| 18:38 | foxnorth | yeah cos of the status bar, i think |
| 18:38 | kados | ahh |
| 18:39 | so you've got two rows of vertical space to kill, your current 'button' one, and the 'Search Results one' and put the buttons in the row where the page scroller is now | |
| 18:39 | foxnorth | sounds right |
| 18:39 | kados | context sensetive, yadayada |
| 18:39 | foxnorth | right |
| 18:39 | hang on, brb | |
| 18:56 | kados: any other thoughts? otherwise i'll head off to implement those things | |
| 18:58 | kados | not just yet |
| 18:58 | it's looking really good | |
| 18:58 | foxnorth | great |
| 18:58 | lemme see what i can do then | |
| 18:58 | kados | sweet |
| 19:08 | foxnorth: one more thing I can think of | |
| 19:08 | foxnorth: if you're still around | |
| 19:21 | foxnorth | sure |
| 19:21 | kados | nothing big, just a comment about the 'folders' |
| 19:21 | foxnorth | shoot! |
| 19:21 | kados | I think the servers could be expanded by default for the search results |
| 19:22 | foxnorth | no prob |
| 19:22 | kados | and i'd put a separator between them and the other groups of folders |
| 19:22 | foxnorth | yeah that makes sense |
| 19:22 | kados | just to signal that they're different |
| 19:22 | foxnorth | sure |
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| 21:00 | masonj | morning #koha |
| 23:13 | thd | seen kados |
| 23:13 | dewey | kados was last seen on #koha 3 hours, 51 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: just to signal that they're different [Thu Aug 9 07:22:32 2007] |
| 23:14 | thd | kados: they are different |
| 23:15 | kados: please answer | |
| 00:44 | kados | hey thd |
| 00:44 | thd: I was at dinner, I'm back now | |
| 00:45 | thd | hello kados |
| 00:45 | kados | hi |
| 00:46 | thd: what's up? | |
| 00:46 | thd | kados: auth_stricture_structure has no hidden column |
| 00:47 | kados: auth_subfield_structure has no hidden column | |
| 00:47 | kados: would you like me to add one? | |
| 00:47 | kados | hmmm |
| 00:47 | yes, I think so | |
| 00:47 | just in case :-) | |
| 00:48 | actually ... | |
| 00:48 | lets not | |
| 00:48 | we can always add it later | |
| 00:48 | I've got too much to do in the next couple months anyway to write something to take advantage of it | |
| 00:50 | thd | kados: I thought that one of the key issues was that the library only wanted to see the heading field from uniform title when editing a uniform title record and not corporate name etc |
| 00:52 | kados: is that not one of the essential elements that they wanted? | |
| 00:57 | kados | hmmm |
| 00:58 | yes, that is one element | |
| 00:58 | but it can easily be acomplished by simply deleting the unnecessary fields | |
| 00:58 | with authorities records ... you don't need all those extra fields | |
| 01:10 | thd | kados: the default framework alone controls some factors for the record editor. Do you remember which factors are controlled by the default framework alone? |
| 01:10 | kados | no, I don't |
| 01:10 | sorry | |
| 01:13 | thd | kados: I think that the use of hidden column was only effective for the default framework and the semantic label from the libopac column was always read from the default framework, but I cannot remember what else |
| 01:15 | kados: no I said that incorrectly, hidden was framework dependent | |
| 01:17 | kados: Is the use of a metarecords in Koha going to be for Koha 4.0? | |
| 01:19 | kados | thd: yes |
| 01:19 | thd: for 5.0 too I bet :-) | |
| 01:20 | thd | kados: I meant to ask what your timeline is for what you were working on with Chris |
| 01:20 | kados | thd: we don't have one yet |
| 01:20 | thd | kados: do you have a commitment for funding or were you just looking at the possibility? |
| 01:27 | kados | just looking |
| 09:19 | Mordazy | Hello |
| 09:20 | CGI702 | hi |
| 09:20 | dewey | hola, CGI702 |
| 09:20 | Mordazy | have question about bulkmarcimport |
| 09:20 | CGI702 | no |
| 09:21 | Mordazy | hi CGI702, hi dewey |
| 09:21 | CGI702: ? | |
| 09:23 | CGI702 | i try use koha |
| 09:23 | Mordazy | me too |
| 09:23 | I use modified version | |
| 09:24 | CGI702 | which system Linux or Win |
| 09:24 | i use Win | |
| 09:24 | Mordazy | linux of course, running any server application on Win is mistake IMHO |
| 09:25 | CGI702 | I have no problem for the present |
| 09:26 | but i use to change some things | |
| 09:27 | Mordazy | My friend who modified Koha for me, made also a small distribudion of Koha, called Koha Mini, which runs out-of the box on a single XP machine |
| 09:27 | he made it for his mother who works in a very small library | |
| 09:28 | CGI702: are you familiar with Linux? | |
| 09:29 | CGI702 | Yes, but I dont know well |
| 09:30 | Mordazy | but which, a Win-like, Ubuntu or something like this? |
| 09:30 | or a "classic" one, no GUI, only text console? | |
| 09:31 | CGI702 | I want to learn but i cant by myself |
| 09:32 | Mordazy | if you want my advice, choose a small, text-only distribution |
| 09:33 | CGI702 | Your preference is Ubuntu |
| 09:34 | Mordazy | which is intended not "workstation" use, but rather a router or server, without graphical interface |
| 09:34 | honestly I hate Ubuntu | |
| 09:34 | actually, I don`t like any "graphical" Linux | |
| 09:36 | I tried to learn Linux using distributions like Ubuntu | |
| 09:36 | and it didn`t work for me | |
| 09:37 | because there was this nice interface, you could do many things just like in Windows, clicking with mouse | |
| 09:38 | but actually I wasn`t discovering Linux, I was still working with Windows | |
| 09:39 | then I had to prepare a small router / server for a small network | |
| 09:39 | and discovered a small, text-only distribution | |
| 09:40 | CGI702 | Could you give me a name or any address for download |
| 09:41 | Mordazy | this one is Polish distribution, guess you wouldn`t have much use of it |
| 09:42 | CGI702 | where are u now |
| 09:42 | Mordazy | Poland |
| 09:42 | but you might try Arch Linux | |
| 09:42 | it will be quite hard at the beginning | |
| 09:43 | but you`ll gradually learn more and more things | |
| 09:43 | even better solution is looking for a Linux guru among your friends | |
| 09:44 | and getting the same distributiona as he is using | |
| 09:45 | CGI702 | ok thank you very much |
| 09:46 | i will go to lunch | |
| 09:46 | do you want | |
| 09:46 | Mordazy | but whatever you choose |
| 09:46 | CGI702 | i will be here afternoon |
| 09:46 | Mordazy | DON`T install XWindow |
| 09:46 | or any other Graphic User Interface | |
| 09:47 | just try the command line interface | |
| 09:48 | and try to use Linux for some specific tastk | |
| 09:48 | task* | |
| 09:49 | for instance, router between your PC and the internet | |
| 09:50 | then you will have specific goals, and this is something that helps much learning Linux | |
| 09:50 | ok, enough preaching :) | |
| 10:38 | is there anybody familiar with bulkmarcimport and generally importing MARC records to Koha? | |
| 10:59 | I have prepared iso2709 file with MARC records, test parsing with bulkmarcimport went fine, | |
| 10:59 | but during actual import I have lots of errors | |
| 10:59 | mostly "duplicate entry" | |
| 11:01 | and "incorrect key file" | |
| 11:01 | what`s wrong? | |
| 11:01 | or is it normal during importing many similiar records into database? | |
| 11:12 | risa | hi everybody |
| 11:27 | Mordazy | hi risa |
| 11:28 | are you familiar with bulkmarcimport and generally importing MARC records to Koha? | |
| 11:36 | risa | Hi Mordazy we spoke in the forenoon about Linux |
| 11:36 | my nickname is changed | |
| 11:37 | Mordazy | ROTFL :) |
| 11:37 | OK | |
| 11:51 | paul | chris around ? |
| 11:52 | Mordazy | Hello paul |
| 11:52 | could you help me a little with bulkmarcimport? | |
| 11:53 | I have prepared iso2709 file with MARC records, test parsing with bulkmarcimport went fine, | |
| 11:53 | paul | a little, yes. |
| 11:53 | Mordazy | but during actual import I have lots of errors |
| 11:53 | mostly "duplicate entry" | |
| 11:53 | what`s wrong? | |
| 11:53 | or is it normal during importing many similiar records into database? | |
| 11:53 | paul | copy/paste the error here, pls |
| 11:53 | no, it is not normal | |
| 11:55 | Mordazy | awwww, now it crashed totally |
| 11:56 | sorry, bbl |
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