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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 13:30 | kados | morning all |
| 13:30 | jaron | good morning |
| 13:30 | that's ok. i'm still waiting to hear from russel. | |
| 13:31 | kados | that's cool |
| 13:32 | lately I find it's best to do things when I think of them | |
| 13:32 | or they just get put off | |
| 13:32 | ok, it's uninstalled :-) | |
| 13:32 | jaron | yeah, I'm trying to incorporate more of a "when you touch it, deal with it" approach |
| 14:38 | paul | seems nongnu disks are full : impossible to update or commit anything : |
| 14:38 | cannot open z3950_search.pl | |
| 14:38 | No space left on device | |
| 14:39 | kados around ? mason seems to be able to commit. So am I the only one with those messages ? | |
| 15:09 | jaron_away | paul: remember that today the americans--at least the red blooded ones--are drinking beer, eating bbq meats and setting off little explosions and rockets. |
| 15:10 | so it might be difficult to get a hold of the americans today. | |
| 15:40 | paul | after "born a 4th of july", we have now "full a 4th of july" |
| 15:54 | martinmorris | afternoon all |
| 15:55 | i've been asking a question about name authorities in koha few times, put in a bug request yesterdy | |
| 15:55 | just wondering if any authority experts are around so I can throw the question at them? :) | |
| 15:55 | it's bug id #1370 if anybody sees this, ta | |
| 16:05 | jaron_away | martinmorris: you still there? |
| 16:05 | martinmorris | hi jaron |
| 16:05 | how you? | |
| 16:05 | jaron_away | I'm not certain that Koha 2.2 does see and see also references. |
| 16:05 | fine. | |
| 16:06 | jaron | and you? |
| 16:06 | martinmorris | yeah good thanks |
| 16:06 | that would be a shame if it didn't | |
| 16:06 | what about the 0 biblios thing? | |
| 16:07 | jaron | So you have definitely linked that authority record to a biblio? |
| 16:07 | martinmorris | absolutely |
| 16:07 | paul | do yo uhave a $9 (hello martinmorris) |
| 16:07 | ? | |
| 16:08 | martinmorris | i set it up so that when i go into the biblio - there are three dots (...) after the 100a field |
| 16:08 | yes I do | |
| 16:08 | it was there already paul | |
| 16:08 | (hello) | |
| 16:08 | paul | because it's the $9, that is filled with the authid, that is used to calculate the # biblios |
| 16:08 | martinmorris | let me check it's set up properly |
| 16:09 | ok, how can i check it's set up properly? | |
| 16:10 | do i put 100a in the Link box? | |
| 16:10 | jaron | no. |
| 16:10 | paul | when you report the authority, so you see that it is filled with a number ? |
| 16:10 | martinmorris | what do you mean, when i report the authority? is that when i link it to the biblio? |
| 16:10 | i'm sure the concept is the same paul, thanks for your help | |
| 16:11 | paul | when you click on the ..., then select an authority, the authority (author name, surname, ...) is reported. |
| 16:11 | martinmorris | let me do that now and check |
| 16:11 | paul | and the authid is reported on $9 |
| 16:11 | martinmorris | i don't remember seeing that must admit |
| 16:11 | jaron | I wonder if you view the complete record (or export it and look at it) the $9 field should have something in it |
| 16:12 | martinmorris | ok, i've got the pop-up with the name authority in now... |
| 16:13 | i can't see an authority number anywhere | |
| 16:14 | jaron | it should be a hidden field in your framework so you might not see it there. |
| 16:14 | martinmorris | i can send a screen shot if that would help? |
| 16:14 | of my 100$9 and the authority popup? | |
| 16:14 | jaron | try exporting the record first and see if you see the 100$9 then. |
| 16:15 | martinmorris | ok will do |
| 16:16 | jaron | brb |
| 16:16 | martinmorris | 'k |
| 16:25 | jaron | anything? |
| 16:27 | martinmorris | i'm trying to dump it using a perl script but it's being difficult |
| 16:27 | i can send it over? | |
| 16:28 | jaron | sure |
| 16:28 | you can also try: | |
| 16:28 | yaz-marcdump file.mrc | |
| 16:28 | and that'll pretty print it to screen | |
| 16:28 | martinmorris | ah, amazing :) |
| 16:28 | right, there's no 100$9 field in there | |
| 16:28 | paul | or $KOHA/scripts/dumpmarc -f file.mrc ;-) |
| 16:29 | martinmorris | noted :) |
| 16:29 | jaron | ls |
| 16:29 | paul | then check your framework, field 100, subfields. |
| 16:29 | martinmorris | yep, i'm there |
| 16:29 | paul | how is $9 defined ? |
| 16:29 | martinmorris | there's definitely no subfield 9 |
| 16:29 | paul | then it can't work... |
| 16:29 | add it pls | |
| 16:30 | martinmorris | well, it's in the marc structure |
| 16:30 | paul | which koha version are u using ? 2.2.9 ? |
| 16:30 | martinmorris | yes |
| 16:30 | paul | npl templates ? or default ones ? |
| 16:30 | martinmorris | npl |
| 16:31 | is $9 meant to be linked to something? | |
| 16:32 | paul | nope, it's automatic |
| 16:32 | just define it. | |
| 16:32 | if another subfield is "connected" to authorities, then the $9 is automatically managed for this field | |
| 16:33 | martinmorris | i have my 100$a connected to my PN thesaurus, which is my personal names authority list |
| 16:33 | and with a Koha link to biblio.author | |
| 16:33 | paul | sounds OK |
| 16:33 | martinmorris | $9 has very little configured |
| 16:34 | it's hidden (-5) | |
| 16:34 | and the two texts are defined, and that's it | |
| 16:34 | paul | it's OK |
| 16:34 | martinmorris | perhaps unhide it and see what it loosk like in a biblio? |
| 16:34 | paul | good idea |
| 16:34 | jaron | might help |
| 16:34 | martinmorris | assume it'll be empty but will see |
| 16:35 | yep, it's empty | |
| 16:37 | 100$9 doesn't need mentioning in the marc structure of my authorities does it? | |
| 16:38 | jaron | dunno |
| 16:38 | martinmorris | :) |
| 16:38 | paul_away | time to leave for frenchies... |
| 16:38 | bye & good problem hunting martinmorris | |
| 16:38 | martinmorris | thanks paul |
| 16:50 | one other question - when using bulkauthimport.pl - do i need to specify into which thesaurus? | |
| 16:50 | can't see an option for it but mine fails when i try to import an authority | |
| 16:57 | ignore me, solved it :) | |
| 16:58 | jaron | what was your solution? |
| 16:58 | last I used it I had to modify the script | |
| 16:58 | martinmorris | the problem was that bulkauthimport.pl expected an NP thesaurus, i had to modify it to PN (Personaj Nomoj) after which it worked like a treat |
| 17:00 | jaron | ok |
| 17:10 | martinmorris | interestingly, on that problem, i've just imported a name authority from LOC, linked it to a biblio, and now it's correctly reporting that 1 biblio is usign the authority |
| 17:11 | perhaps there's a field in the name authority i've not been adding | |
| 17:11 | just a thought | |
| 17:11 | 100$9 was also populated with the correct biblio number | |
| 17:11 | jaron | or possibly ones that you add manually are not correct? |
| 17:11 | I'd add that info to your bug report | |
| 17:16 | martinmorris | cheers |
| 20:59 | chris | morning |
| 21:01 | kados | hey chris |
| 21:02 | sweet | |
| 22:28 | JYL57 | Hi koha world |
| 22:29 | chris | hi |
| 22:29 | JYL57 | Hi Chris |
| 22:29 | It's been a while now and I'm in mood to upgrade my koha version | |
| 22:30 | What about the long wished 3.0 version ?! | |
| 22:30 | Should be out soon or still time to install a 2.2.9 | |
| 22:30 | chris | there should be a beta release of that in the next couple of weeks |
| 22:30 | what version are you running now? | |
| 22:31 | JYL57 | 2.2 |
| 22:31 | chris | 2.2.? |
| 22:31 | JYL57 | Well not sure 2.2.4 maybe |
| 22:31 | chris | right 2.2.9 will have a bunch of bugfixes, and a couple of new features |
| 22:31 | JYL57 | I'm using my test box so I can't check it right now |
| 22:32 | And mysql 5 is correctly supported ? | |
| 22:32 | kados | might not be in the release itself |
| 22:33 | chris | nope its all in cvs, but didnt make it in the 2.2.9 release if you get the code from the rel_2_2 |
| 22:33 | kados | it is in CVS |
| 22:33 | chris | cvs branch |
| 22:33 | its all good | |
| 22:33 | kados | 2.2.10 should correct that |
| 22:33 | JYL57 | hey kados |
| 22:33 | kados | hiya JYL57 |
| 22:33 | JYL57: where ya fron? | |
| 22:33 | from even :-) | |
| 22:33 | JYL57 | Paul would release a 2.2.10 before the 3.0 |
| 22:34 | From Metz, north East France | |
| 22:34 | chris | (if you have a test box and want to try 3.0 .. you can try following this http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=22_to_30) |
| 22:34 | but i wouldnt do it on a production machine :) | |
| 22:35 | JYL57 | Well, I'm still wondering what to choose... |
| 22:35 | chris | if i was you, i would wait for 2.2.10 |
| 22:35 | upgrade to that | |
| 22:35 | kados | yea |
| 22:36 | me too | |
| 22:36 | JYL57: you planning to install this for a production environment? | |
| 22:36 | chris | then wait for a full 3.0 release ... unless you want to play around and expect to find some things broken |
| 22:37 | JYL57 | Well we run a public library with koha in production so I will not break anything soon... |
| 22:38 | But I'm still very curious and would like to see the new functions... | |
| 22:39 | Is it sensible to install both versions 2.2.9 (or 10) and another 3.0 on the same box ?! | |
| 22:39 | chris | if it was in production i wouldnt |
| 22:40 | JYL57 | nope I was thinking on using my test box |
| 22:40 | chris | just in case i made a mistake and killed the database |
| 22:40 | ahh in that case yep | |
| 22:40 | JYL57 | both versions will coexist without trouble ?! |
| 22:40 | chris | yep, if they have their own database each |
| 22:41 | JYL57 | ok, I can manage that |
| 22:41 | Is there any 3.0 archive or should I use the last CVS ? | |
| 22:42 | chris | latest cvs |
| 22:45 | kados | JYL57: if you want to try out 3.0 I can give you a package |
| 22:45 | JYL57 | well Ok kados, I've not yet installed any workbench so |
| 22:46 | kados | workbench? |
| 22:46 | JYL57 | Eclipse fan |
| 22:46 | Do you want my email ? | |
| 22:47 | Or maybe you can lead me to the proper URL ? | |
| 22:49 | The link from 2.2 to 3.0 doesn't talk about MARC specificities ?! | |
| 22:51 | kados | JYL57: the package I have is built for debian sarge or etch |
| 22:52 | JYL57 | Super ! I'm using etch since a few hours... :-) |
| 22:52 | kados | http://kados.org/stuff/koha_zoom_0.4.tar.gz |
| 22:52 | follow the README.txt in the archive | |
| 22:53 | and let me know how it works! | |
| 22:55 | JYL57 | Ok kados, downloading... Will give it a try in the next few days and will keep you informed ! thanks ! |
| 22:56 | kados | JYL57++ |
| 22:57 | JYL57 | Ok see you guys and have a nice day ! |
| 22:57 | chris | cya |
| 23:02 | kados | figure might as well have more eyes on that |
| 23:03 | chris | yep thats the main reason i wanted a developer release, more ppl looking at it faster bugs are found |
| 23:05 | kados | so you think naming it beta is a mistake? |
| 23:05 | chris | google has runied beta :) |
| 23:05 | kados | what about pre-alpha, alpha, stable? |
| 23:05 | or ... | |
| 23:05 | development, testing, stable | |
| 23:05 | chris | thats what id do |
| 23:06 | kados | space them out by two months |
| 23:06 | chris | development its pretty clear we dont expect you to use it in production |
| 23:06 | kados | the hardest one is gonna be 3.0 itself |
| 23:06 | getting enough of the issues resolved before the scheduled release is gonna be a challenge | |
| 23:07 | it's right buggy atm :-) | |
| 23:07 | chris | yep |
| 23:07 | i think getting the development release (which your package pretty much is) | |
| 23:08 | being used by more ppl, and getting bugs reported is the only way they are going to get fixed | |
| 23:08 | kados | yea |
| 23:08 | the package works great for debian | |
| 23:08 | chris | thats the thing with a development release |
| 23:08 | kados | I'm hoping MJ can make one that works for other platforms |
| 23:08 | chris | it doesnt have to work for everything yet |
| 23:08 | kados | true |
| 23:13 | chris | i can do a full koha day on 3.0 bugs next week, if someone has reported a bunch :) |
| 23:25 | kados | I've been making a list |
| 23:25 | I'll add them to bugzilla soon | |
| 23:25 | chris | sweet |
| 23:25 | called my bluff :) | |
| 23:26 | kados | heh |
| 00:26 | jaron | anyone around know how to get the public facing z39.50 zebra server working? |
| 00:26 | chris | for 2.2? |
| 00:26 | i must admit i havent tried in ages | |
| 00:26 | jaron | 3 |
| 00:26 | chris | ahh zebra? |
| 00:27 | jaron | yes |
| 00:27 | chris | that should be just a matter of editing the koha.xml file |
| 00:27 | jaron | ok, if I mimic what was done for biblios I should be good? |
| 00:28 | chris | yep there should be a section in there already for the public one eh? |
| 00:28 | jaron | no, just the listen line for it |
| 00:29 | chris | hmm 2 secs ill just go look in my cvs checkout |
| 00:29 | jaron | once I uncommented it, I was able to connect to the server but immediately disconnected. |
| 00:31 | chris | yeah i reckon if copy what is set up for the biblioserver |
| 00:31 | but u will anonymous access | |
| 00:31 | jaron | actually I'm wanting to play with extended services :) |
| 00:31 | chris | in that case u want :) |
| 00:31 | wont even | |
| 00:32 | jaron | ok, let me give that a go and see what happens... |
| 00:44 | ok, copied and pasted biblioserver xml and s/biblioserver/publicserver/ and then restarted zebraserver and was allowed to connect. | |
| 00:45 | But I figured the database name was 'koha' but even after adding that to zebra-biblio.cfg I get an error saying the database is unavialable | |
| 00:47 | chris | hmm |
| 00:48 | jaron | well, let me see what I can do first... |
| 00:59 | I'm wanting to add biblios to the database but the marc structure is broken. any other way I can get biblios into the database? Already tried import into reservoir. | |
| 00:59 | chris | hmm dont think you can if the structure is broken |
| 00:59 | jaron | ok, I might just be outta luck until that's fixed |
| 02:07 | finally, I was able to insert (and delete) a record into a zebra database. Not sure if it's the correct one. Of course doesn't show up in the catalog, so who knows where it is. | |
| 02:10 | in any case, that's enough for tonight. | |
| 02:10 | g'night | |
| 02:10 | chris | night |
| 09:09 | Fallor | hi |
| 09:09 | dewey | privet, Fallor |
| 09:44 | chris | hi Fallor |
| 10:08 | Fallor | hi chris |
| 10:27 | have you ever installed Koha on SELinux server | |
| 10:27 | (CentOS) | |
| 10:28 | it's terrible :D | |
| 10:28 | chris | ive installed on redhat |
| 10:29 | Fallor | same thing |
| 10:29 | it seems to break addbiblio | |
| 10:29 | and z3950 search | |
| 10:29 | at least | |
| 10:29 | chris | probably the z3950 stuff |
| 10:29 | the Net::Z3950::Zoom module | |
| 10:30 | its all the 3rd party stuff thats the hardest to install | |
| 10:30 | Fallor | hmm |
| 10:30 | did you manage to get it working? | |
| 10:30 | chris | yep |
| 10:30 | its been in production for hmm 1.5 years | |
| 10:31 | Fallor | but then you have a lot more experience than i do ;) |
| 10:31 | chris | http://www.rangitikeilibrary.org.nz/ |
| 10:31 | yep | |
| 10:31 | been doing it for hmm nearly 8 years now hehe | |
| 10:32 | you getting any sort of useful error in the error logs? | |
| 10:34 | Fallor | well selinux tells me that search.pl wants to access resolv.conf and suggests creating a local security policy for it |
| 10:35 | chris | hmm |
| 10:36 | yeah sometimes selinux is a little over the top | |
| 10:36 | Fallor | and that i should run "setsebool -P httpd_unified=1" to make addbiblio.pl working |
| 10:37 | setsebool has absolutely no effect whatsoever | |
| 10:37 | also a strange thing is that with SELinux koha tries to find value_builder directory from a wrong place | |
| 10:37 | it works just fine without SELinux | |
| 10:38 | and then there are the strange noises... ;D | |
| 10:38 | chris | hmm i cant remember how i got it to work, wish id written it down |
| 10:39 | i think i saw a blog about this recently, lemme check if i can find it | |
| 10:40 | Fallor | i tried searching the net but without much luck |
| 10:43 | chris | http://www.kohadocs.org/Instal[…]ha_on_Fedora.html |
| 10:43 | anything in there useful? | |
| 10:44 | http://osdir.com/ml/misc.koha/[…]-01/msg00025.html <-- suggests disabling selinux for httpd | |
| 10:45 | Fallor | that's the last option then |
| 10:45 | nothing really useful in the above document | |
| 10:45 | I already have the contexts set correctly | |
| 10:45 | chris | right |
| 10:46 | Fallor | I'll first try to set cgi-scripts to run without SELinux |
| 10:47 | maybe that'll do the trick | |
| 10:47 | chris | good idea |
| 11:02 | Fallor | Z39.50 search still gives internal server error |
| 11:04 | but that could be because of the remote Z39.50 server | |
| 11:04 | at least there are no selinux alerts in syslog anymore |
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