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| 12:12 | kados | anyone around yet? |
| 12:12 | paul_sleep: ? | |
| 12:12 | hdl: ? | |
| 12:20 | morning jaron | |
| 12:20 | jaron | good morning |
| 12:20 | kados | jaron: for an idea of what a FAQ Manager would do, see that message from Rick Welykochy et al? |
| 12:20 | titled 'change password' | |
| 12:20 | jaron | just read it. |
| 12:20 | kados | that thread would make an excellent FAQ |
| 12:21 | jaron | yeah, I've started tagging messages koha_faq |
| 12:21 | kados | sweet |
| 12:21 | jaron | so I suppose I'm one step closer to just doing it |
| 12:21 | kados | hehe |
| 12:21 | if you sign up at new.koha.org:8080 | |
| 12:23 | jaron | I don't see a registration page or anything there. |
| 12:23 | kados | 9(click on 'join) |
| 12:23 | I'll give you you can start writing stuff | |
| 12:23 | jaron | brb |
| 12:23 | kados2 | my IRC client is stalled |
| 12:23 | anyway | |
| 12:23 | if you sign up at http://new.koha.org:8080/koha | |
| 12:23 | you can play around with plone | |
| 12:24 | jaron | yes, now I see |
| 12:24 | under documentation | |
| 12:26 | kados | http://plone.org/products/faqu[…]r/?searchterm=FAQ |
| 12:26 | looks pretty cool | |
| 12:28 | jaron | This looks like a good organization scheme too: http://plone.org/documentation/faq |
| 12:29 | sections menu, view section in full, view entire faq in full, click on individual question | |
| 12:30 | brb | |
| 12:32 | kados | FAQLater installed |
| 12:34 | cool, so now you can add a 'faq section' as one of the types | |
| 12:36 | jaron | signed up as jronallo |
| 12:36 | kados | yup |
| 12:47 | jaron | when I go to 'preferences' on the left side there's 'site setup' and I should have the option under Add-on Product Configuration to change a setting for how the FAQ works. |
| 12:48 | kados | ahh |
| 12:48 | I can do that for ya | |
| 12:48 | you mean the default faq? | |
| 12:49 | or the new faq product? | |
| 12:49 | jaron | I was just looking at the faq under documentation. |
| 12:50 | if the other isn't present yet then my guess is that would be under plone configuration | |
| 12:50 | kados | the other one should be present |
| 12:50 | jaron | if you look under 'preferences'? |
| 12:50 | there's a 'site setup' box off to the left | |
| 12:50 | kados | documentation/faq ships with the help center product |
| 12:51 | faqlater is a separate product I just installed | |
| 12:51 | jaron | I see. |
| 12:51 | kados | don't see site setup |
| 12:51 | I see portal settings | |
| 12:51 | hi paul_sleep | |
| 12:51 | paul: great! :-) | |
| 12:51 | paul: I can bug you about the web installer (pun intended) :) | |
| 12:52 | jaron | paul can sleep and work at the same time? amazing. |
| 12:52 | paul | (just forgot to change my nick) |
| 12:53 | kados | heh |
| 12:55 | jaron | kados: did you give those plone permissions to jronallo? |
| 13:40 | paul | how summer works in france : |
| 13:41 | 10mn later, phone ring : "we have recieved your invoice, just want to inform that you won't be paid before september, because of holidays" | |
| 13:42 | jaron | september? |
| 13:42 | paul | yep. 2 months "disappear" for business in france... |
| 13:43 | jaron | they don't have a single person on the job that can take care of something like making sure someone gets paid what's due them? |
| 13:44 | paul | a single ? you're a crazy american aren't you ? In france, to pay a 2600€ quote, you need at least 4 persons to validate the quote, check that you have the money, check that you had a contract, check that the amount is the same as expected, send the quote to public accountant, that will re-check again. then send the file to the bank. |
| 13:45 | :-\ | |
| 13:45 | (of course, when you have public taxes, there is a delay, and being 1 day late means +10% ...) | |
| 13:50 | sanspach | can I ask a quick Koha migration question? |
| 13:53 | paul | jaron: (was joking about crazy americans. The crazy guys are the frenchies...) |
| 13:53 | sanspach: throw your question... | |
| 13:54 | sanspach | I know of a site trying to move from another system (the one I work with in my real job) to Koha |
| 13:54 | and I'm trying to help them with data | |
| 13:55 | they're thinking MARC for the bibliographic records, but that will probably lose a lot | |
| 13:55 | is there a good way to bring in call numbers, item barcodes and all the stuff that's not normally stored in the MARC record? | |
| 13:55 | or do they just have to re-enter a lot of that after loading their bibliographic records? | |
| 13:57 | jaron | sanspach: What kinds of records do they currently have? |
| 13:58 | sanspach | bibliographic records can be exported in MARC, but they're having problems with that |
| 13:58 | I'd rather get the data out in a different way and include their copy data in it, but only if there's a viable way to import into Koha | |
| 14:06 | jaron | what problems are they having with their MARC records? |
| 14:06 | sanspach | they can't get them to export :( I'm working on that separately, trying to figure out why their old system won't export the records |
| 14:07 | but I thought if there were a way to get other, non-bib data into Koha, that it would be better to go a different route | |
| 14:07 | kados | I'd write something to pre-parse that data and put it into the MARC :-) |
| 14:07 | using MARC::Record probably | |
| 14:09 | sanspach | kados: so how about I help HCST get both bib and item data out in a flat ascii format and you pre-parse it to get it into Koha-compatible format? |
| 14:09 | :) | |
| 14:09 | kados | sure |
| 14:09 | contact salesliblime.com for a quote on that ;-) |
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| 14:10 | sanspach | I don't know why they can't get their MARC export functionality to work (and unfortunately I've never worked with a Windows server) |
| 14:10 | but their bibs can't be complicated and there are other, more flexible ways to get flat ascii, with both their bibs and items | |
| 14:14 | kados: I could do this as a one-time thing, but would it be more useful to do something that could be re-used for future migrations? | |
| 14:14 | from that un-named system into Koha? | |
| 14:15 | kados | potentially yes |
| 14:15 | but you have to be careful there | |
| 14:15 | about distributing that | |
| 14:15 | especially if it reverse engineers the proprietary data structures | |
| 14:15 | paul | but you shold name the system, we may already have some tools on our disks... |
| 14:16 | kados | I have been advised by my attorney not to distribute any migration tools |
| 14:16 | paul | why ? |
| 14:16 | sanspach | I plan to parse report output, not database structures, so I don't think there can be anything proprietary there |
| 14:16 | paul | DMCA ? |
| 14:17 | kados | sanspach: *nod* |
| 14:17 | paul: just to avoid any legal problems with proprietary vendors | |
| 14:17 | sanspach | I totally understand that there could be issues with database stuff; but I think report output should be safe |
| 15:01 | kados | ryan: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1368 |
| 15:01 | # 02_authorities_normal_marc21.sql | |
| 15:01 | ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 1: Duplicate entry '010-a' for key 1 | |
| 15:01 | # 01_auth_types.sql | |
| 15:01 | ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 2: Duplicate entry '' for key 1 | |
| 15:02 | paul: did you see this error, I wonder if it's related: | |
| 15:02 | paul: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1369 | |
| 15:02 | "sql-datas dir, pick a naming convention, remove the rest" | |
| 15:10 | ryan: if I just do auth_types.sql I get this error: | |
| 15:10 | ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 2: Duplicate entry '' for key 1 | |
| 15:11 | I suspect the installer is populating the authorities frameworks | |
| 15:11 | before the frameworks themselves are loaded | |
| 15:11 | I don't understand what else could be happening, because I have the same kohastructure as paul | |
| 15:11 | and we're both running off of a CVS repo | |
| 15:12 | arrrg | |
| 15:12 | coffee break | |
| 15:12 | brb | |
| 15:17 | ryan | well, in fr/ , there's no auth_types |
| 15:25 | paul | ryan : I tried with english, not with french :-( |
| 15:27 | ryan | it must be loading the sql twice |
| 15:30 | kados | paul: does it use the en dir or the english dir? |
| 15:30 | why do we have two? | |
| 15:30 | (same for fr french it seems) | |
| 15:30 | is hdl present? | |
| 15:31 | I want to confirm it's OK to delete english and french | |
| 15:31 | ryan: loading the sql twice? | |
| 15:31 | paul | nop, he is teaching Koha |
| 15:31 | back on thusday | |
| 15:31 | kados | ryan: why would mine load twice, but not paul's? |
| 15:31 | this is really strange | |
| 15:32 | ryan | maybe it's doing both en and english? |
| 15:32 | kados | huh |
| 15:32 | ryan | do a cvs update -dP |
| 15:33 | kados | it still redirects back to the installer |
| 15:33 | ryan | and the extra sql in english will go away |
| 15:33 | (do you have english/*.sql ?) | |
| 15:33 | kados | yes |
| 15:33 | even after that command | |
| 15:33 | wait | |
| 15:33 | no i don't have .sql | |
| 15:34 | just .txt and .readme | |
| 15:34 | ryan | i had sql and txt prior to prune |
| 15:34 | no sql in french/ before | |
| 15:34 | better, rm -rf english/ | |
| 15:34 | kados | to check out I do: |
| 15:34 | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymouscvs.savannah.nongnu.org:/sources/koha co -P koha |
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| 15:35 | so it should be pruned already | |
| 15:35 | ryan | hmm |
| 15:35 | kados | ok, rm -rf koha |
| 15:35 | confirm apache can't find koha | |
| 15:35 | ryan | well, wrong tree to bark up, i guess |
| 15:35 | kados | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymouscvs.savannah.nongnu.org:/sources/koha co -P koha |
| 15:35 | drop database koha | |
| 15:36 | create database koha | |
| 15:36 | set perms on kohaadmin | |
| 15:36 | now it finds the installer | |
| 15:36 | step 1 OK | |
| 15:36 | step 2 OK | |
| 15:37 | Step 3 Create tables OK | |
| 15:37 | Now we're ready to do some basic configuration. Please install basic configuration settings to continue the installation. | |
| 15:37 | o I click on install base configuration | |
| 15:37 | everything's out of order | |
| 15:37 | so I just select 01_auth_types, everything else is unchecked | |
| 15:38 | wow, that time it worked! | |
| 15:38 | go back, select the other | |
| 15:38 | s | |
| 15:38 | that worked too! | |
| 15:38 | click finish | |
| 15:39 | still loops me back to the installer | |
| 15:39 | paul: so one problem fixed, but not the one you committed :/ | |
| 15:39 | paul | do you have <kohaversion> in koha.xml ? |
| 15:40 | kados | I have it in systempreferences |
| 15:40 | but not in koha.xml | |
| 15:40 | paul | (read my commit & my mail to koha-devel) |
| 15:40 | kados | ok |
| 15:40 | paul | in systempref => it defines the version of the database |
| 15:40 | ryan | ah, yes, better in koha.xml, i think |
| 15:40 | paul | in koha.xml => it defines the version of the software |
| 15:40 | if they are not the same => update needed ! | |
| 15:40 | kados | right |
| 15:41 | paul: does it write to koha.xml too? | |
| 15:41 | paul | read my mail ;-) |
| 15:41 | kados | imo www-data user shouldnt have write access |
| 15:45 | paul: did you also commit <versionumber> to koha.xml in head? | |
| 15:45 | paul | there is no koha.xml in head, unless i'm mistaken |
| 15:45 | kados | ahh |
| 15:45 | paul | (but I should update my wiki page, where there is a sample koha.xml) |
| 15:47 | kados : it's <kohaversion> | |
| 15:48 | kados | yea |
| 15:48 | that's waht I meant | |
| 15:48 | <kohaversion>3.0</kohaversion> | |
| 15:48 | I have it in the <config> directive | |
| 15:49 | ok | |
| 15:49 | so the order is still causing the constraint prob | |
| 15:50 | so you have to first do auth_type | |
| 15:50 | then do the rest | |
| 15:50 | otherwise it gives an error | |
| 15:50 | otherwise it works | |
| 15:50 | ryan | kados: i think we should forget about the ordering. |
| 15:50 | kados | redirect works now |
| 15:50 | ryan: what's the solution then? | |
| 15:51 | ryan | just do the skip-foreign-key-checks |
| 15:51 | kados | I tried that yesterday , couldn't get it to work |
| 15:51 | ryan | because there shouldn't be an auth_type of ''. |
| 15:51 | kados | do we need to add that line to every sql file? |
| 15:51 | ryan | just auth_tag_struct ? |
| 15:52 | fr/ version doesn't define any auth_types... | |
| 15:52 | kados | what was the syntax again? |
| 15:52 | ryan | i don't know why they don't get that error. |
| 15:52 | (paul?) | |
| 15:52 | kados | paul: any ideas? |
| 15:52 | maybe the en way of defining authorities is wrong? | |
| 15:52 | ryan | set foreign_key_check = 0 |
| 15:52 | paul | ryan : i have tested the english version. |
| 15:53 | ryan | kados: FOREIGN_KEY_CHECKS |
| 15:54 | that will allow to remove the auth_type '' | |
| 15:55 | which is nonsensical anyway since it has no tag_to_report | |
| 15:56 | kados | bingo |
| 15:56 | ok, I'll commit that change | |
| 16:26 | http://aragorn.metavore.com | |
| 16:26 | in case anyone wants to test koha 3.0 with me | |
| 16:26 | kohaadmin / PASSWORD | |
| 16:27 | jaron | any particular sections that need testing? |
| 16:29 | kados | probably cataloging |
| 16:29 | jaron | that's where I was. |
| 16:29 | kados | looks like the css is messed up in some places too |
| 16:29 | but that's secondary :-) | |
| 16:29 | yea, when I add a new MARC record I get a blank page | |
| 16:29 | jaron | I don't see anything come up when I try to catalog a record. no fields to fill in. |
| 16:30 | kados | yep |
| 16:30 | so that's well buggy :-) | |
| 16:31 | where's toins when you need him :-) | |
| 16:31 | looks like the frameworks are OK | |
| 16:34 | jaron | I tried to export the records so I could then search for a known record in the database and instead of exporting is sends me export.pl |
| 16:34 | kados | hehe |
| 16:34 | I know how to fix that one | |
| 16:35 | jaron | do you know of a record already in the database? my standby searches got no results. |
| 16:35 | kados | don't think there are any yet |
| 16:35 | jaron | and difficult to get them in there without a marc editor :/ |
| 16:35 | kados | hehe, yea |
| 16:37 | jaron | do you have some you could import into the reservoir? |
| 16:37 | kados | I'll see |
| 16:38 | I'm also thinking of changing 'cataloging' to 'technical services' | |
| 16:38 | owen | kados, borrower add is still a multi-step process? |
| 16:38 | kados | having catalog and cataloging so close togehter is confusing |
| 16:38 | owen: yes, unfortunately | |
| 16:39 | owen: that's on the bug list | |
| 16:39 | owen: it's a blocker :-) | |
| 16:39 | no-one is willing to re-write it :-) | |
| 16:40 | owen: try out the types of patrons, that part is pretty cool | |
| 16:40 | # 43 imported records | |
| 16:40 | # 0 not imported because already in catalog | |
| 16:40 | # 297 not imported because already in the reservoir | |
| 16:40 | # 0 not imported because they seem not to be in MARC format (or ISBN/ISSN missing) ! | |
| 16:40 | # 340 records parsed | |
| 16:40 | 297 in the reservoir already? | |
| 16:40 | how is that possible? | |
| 16:41 | and it still lists biblios in reservoir as none | |
| 16:41 | so two bugs there | |
| 16:41 | jaron | at least |
| 16:41 | owen | kados, what do you mean by types of patrons? |
| 16:41 | kados | owen: click on Borrowers |
| 16:42 | (soon to be called Patrons) | |
| 16:42 | jaron | look towards the top. |
| 16:42 | kados | yea, look at the top |
| 16:42 | jaron | owen: it's difficult to see. |
| 16:42 | kados | btw: it's super slow because this is running on a virtual private server |
| 16:42 | with like 128MB of ram | |
| 16:42 | :-) | |
| 16:42 | owen | Do you mean the borrower types, adult child professional? |
| 16:43 | kados | yea, that's part of it |
| 16:43 | but there's another level too | |
| 16:43 | sec | |
| 16:43 | http://aragorn.metavore.com/cg[…]dmin/categorie.pl | |
| 16:43 | owen: you can define ne patron categories and assign them to one of the four main types | |
| 16:44 | s/ne/new/ | |
| 16:44 | one thing we have to add | |
| 16:44 | is the ability for a child to have more than one parent | |
| 16:44 | cuz a lot of them do :-) | |
| 16:44 | owen | More than one guarantor? |
| 16:44 | kados | yea |
| 16:46 | owen | It doesn't look like you can change the borrower type after the patron has been added. I don't see how to change a "professional" to something else. |
| 16:47 | kados | owen: I've got a language question for ya |
| 16:47 | owen: did you used to use 'check out' instead of issues? | |
| 16:47 | owen | yes |
| 16:47 | jaron | if it's going to be multistep, say something like (step 1 of 3)? |
| 16:47 | kados | owen: how would you describe 'outstanding issues' report? |
| 16:48 | jaron: good point | |
| 16:48 | owen | That's awkward, because we would say "What do I have checked out," but "Check-outs" is no good. |
| 16:49 | kados | this is a report you can run to see who has overdues I guess |
| 16:49 | lateissues.pl | |
| 16:49 | owen | Then, "Overdues" :) |
| 16:51 | Looks like we've lost the link to issues from the borrower detail screen | |
| 16:52 | kados | I'm doing a template cleanup right now |
| 16:52 | so do you say | |
| 16:52 | checkouts? | |
| 16:52 | check-outs? | |
| 16:52 | checked out? | |
| 16:53 | owen | What's the context? |
| 16:53 | kados | Define issuing rules in a matrix for libraries / patrons / item types (number of issues, duration, cost...). |
| 16:53 | Define circulation rules in a matrix for libraries / patrons / itemtypes (number of XXX, ...) | |
| 16:54 | so issues -> checkouts? | |
| 16:54 | it's awkard | |
| 16:54 | awkward even | |
| 16:54 | owen | Yeah, it is. I'm not sure what the right choice is. |
| 16:55 | I wish I could see what other ILSes use | |
| 16:55 | kados | yea |
| 16:55 | I'll do checkouts | |
| 16:55 | jaron | CheckOut is what unicorn uses for that task in the intranet |
| 16:56 | kados | sweet, thanks jaron |
| 16:56 | that works | |
| 16:56 | owen | We should use the calendar picker on the issues screen instead of those drop-downs for 'specify due date' |
| 16:56 | jaron | while I think their Discharging is a weird word. |
| 16:56 | owen | jaron: are there places where unicorn refers to "checkouts" |
| 16:57 | "Check Out" doesn't sound awkward when it's an action, but it sounds weird as a noun. | |
| 16:57 | kados | jaron: yea, well voyager says Charge Out and Charge In |
| 16:57 | owen: wrote down calendar thingy | |
| 16:59 | jaron | I don't know about the intranet but the 'my account' part of the opac presents the user with their Checkouts |
| 17:02 | kados | I think Last Borrower is an appropriate use of the term, right/ |
| 17:02 | ? | |
| 17:02 | last patron doesn't make quite as much sense | |
| 17:03 | owen | Yeah, I think last borrwoer is appropriate |
| 17:03 | kados | street, place, road, etc. |
| 17:03 | list of authorized values | |
| 17:03 | don't think I populated it in this install | |
| 17:05 | No. of Issues | |
| 17:05 | No. of times checked out? | |
| 17:09 | owen: debarred? | |
| 17:09 | owen: that's uncommon too, right? | |
| 17:09 | shouldn't it just be 'Frozen' or somehing? | |
| 17:10 | owen | I suspect so. I think we used "Restricted" before, which is probably better |
| 17:40 | jaron | where would I find the zebra config files that koha 3.0 uses? |
| 17:41 | kados | hehe |
| 17:41 | good question | |
| 17:41 | I don't think there are authoritative ones | |
| 17:41 | well, there are, but not globally for the project | |
| 17:41 | I can point you to the ones we use | |
| 17:42 | jaron | that'll be a start |
| 17:42 | kados | zebra configuration is heady stuff |
| 17:42 | so be warned | |
| 17:42 | jaron | I'm working my way through the docs now |
| 17:43 | kados | http://cvs.savannah.nongnu.org[…]/zebra/?root=koha |
| 17:43 | prolly a good place to start | |
| 17:44 | jaron | ok, misc. wouldn't have thought to look there right away. thanks. |
| 17:44 | kados | yea |
| 17:44 | it's not the best place | |
| 17:44 | in the install package it'll be laid out more sanely | |
| 18:40 | ryan: still around? | |
| 18:40 | [Tue Jul 03 11:39:19 2007] [error] [client 71.171.181.120] DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'defaultvalue' in 'field list' at /koha/production/intranet/modules/C4/Biblio.pm line 1464., referer: http://aragorn.metavore.com/cg[…]guing/addbooks.pl | |
| 18:40 | [Tue Jul 03 11:39:19 2007] [error] [client 71.171.181.120] DBD::mysql::st fetchrow failed: fetch() without execute() at /koha/production/intranet/modules/C4/Biblio.pm line 1477., referer: http://aragorn.metavore.com/cg[…]guing/addbooks.pl | |
| 18:40 | I guess that's something new | |
| 18:40 | defaultvalue | |
| 18:40 | probably the reason my marc editor isn't working | |
| 18:41 | ryan | missed updatedatabase. |
| 18:41 | kados | huh |
| 18:41 | ryan | installer should have run it, eh? |
| 18:41 | kados | shouldn't have to do that with the installer |
| 18:41 | our kohastructure.sql should have everything needed | |
| 18:41 | ryan | but... |
| 18:46 | kados | oh man |
| 18:47 | we have to add defaultvalue to every sql file I think | |
| 18:47 | every marc21 framework | |
| 18:48 | huh | |
| 18:48 | defaultvalue isn't even in paul's database def | |
| 18:48 | wtf? | |
| 19:09 | owen | kados: the process by which patrons are set as debarred--is that a custom script NPL is running? Or is that distributed with Koha? |
| 19:14 | kados | it's distributed |
| 19:14 | but it has to be set up in the crontab | |
| 19:15 | owen | You'd have to check for outstanding fines at the very least. |
| 19:16 | Maybe borrower notes as well | |
| 19:16 | kados | what's the reverse? |
| 19:16 | take the status off when the book's returned?? | |
| 19:16 | owen | Yes |
| 19:16 | kados | the normal return process should already do that |
| 19:17 | owen | Not in my experience. |
| 19:19 | Nope, doesn't work that way for us. | |
| 19:19 | kados | interesting |
| 19:35 | afternoon saorge | |
| 21:39 | chris | morning |
| 21:47 | martinmorris | evening all - i was asking an authorities question last night and the expert wasn't here - just wondering if he is tonight? |
| 21:47 | chris | well im not him :) |
| 21:48 | martinmorris | it might be a simpler question - i'm just noticing that when i edit a biblio and link it to a name authority i've added - i then search for the name authority and it says it's used in 0 biblios |
| 21:48 | chris | hmm that seems wrong |
| 21:48 | martinmorris | well, that's what I thought |
| 21:49 | there's nothing obvious in bugzila | |
| 21:50 | chris | hmm, id report it as a bug |
| 21:50 | and write down what you did | |
| 21:50 | martinmorris | i think i might |
| 21:51 | chris | that way it will keep showing up in ppls bug lists and get fixed fast :) |
| 21:51 | martinmorris | as a separate point, if my name authority has a 100 entry and a 400 entry, and i link it to a biblio, that biblio should be found whether i search for it through the 100 or 400 name, right? |
| 21:52 | chris | thats what id expect |
| 21:52 | martinmorris | yeah, that's not happening either |
| 21:52 | wondering if i've set it up wrong, i'm fairly confidentish i haven't | |
| 21:53 | chris | bug is the best way to get lots of eyes on it, so even if it is a setup, they should be able to tell ya what is wrong |
| 21:54 | martinmorris | doing so now, ta |
| 21:54 | chris | cool |
| 22:00 | martinmorris | bug id 1370 |
| 22:00 | off to bed, night! :) | |
| 22:00 | chris | night |
| 00:59 | kados | hi paul__ |
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