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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:36 | kados | cm: hi :-) |
| 12:37 | cm: I've forwarded it to ryan | |
| 12:37 | cm: he can help ya' out | |
| 12:38 | cm: should be able to do what you want quite easily | |
| 12:51 | kyle | kados, you around? |
| 12:52 | I've found an issue that is either a huge bug, or an intentional but confusing choice when it comes to issuing items. | |
| 12:53 | rch | hey kyle |
| 12:53 | kyle | hey rch, how I about I just toss this issue out and get your input. |
| 12:53 | rch | sure... what's the issue? |
| 12:54 | kyle | Basically, we've found that when issuing items, the governing issuing rules are chosen but the borrower's home library, *not* the library being issued *from* |
| 12:54 | Is that intentional? | |
| 12:55 | It's certainly a problem for us because each library in our system has different rules. | |
| 12:55 | kados | wow, that is interesting |
| 12:56 | rch: man, I cant wait for your rule-based stuff to be done :-) | |
| 12:56 | kyle | I thought, if this was not a desired way of doing things, it may have slipped through all this time because all Koha users are either single libraries or are library systems that all use the same rules. |
| 12:57 | I believe that NPL has the same rules for all branches, am I correct? | |
| 12:57 | kados | yes |
| 12:57 | rch | this should be a pretty easy fix, though. |
| 12:57 | kyle | Since CCFLS is not a Main Library / Branch Library system, each library sets it's own rules. |
| 12:58 | I think it should be an easy fix. I've been poking around in Circ2::Issuebook, but the problem is somewhere deeper than that. | |
| 12:59 | It's just a matter of grabbing the logged in branchcode and substituting for wherever the homebranch branchcode is being used, but I don't know where that is. | |
| 13:00 | rch | kyle: i'll take a look |
| 13:00 | kyle | thanks, I appriciate that. |
| 13:07 | On our koha server, the Marc Export function appears to be broken (export/marc.pl). Is this broken for everyone? | |
| 13:08 | kados | kyle: could you define broken? |
| 13:09 | cm | hey kados, i can answer that. |
| 13:09 | & thanks, btw. | |
| 13:09 | kyle | Instead of doing something, it asks me to save marc.pl |
| 13:09 | cm | yeah, it does that, but it's not the actual .pl file |
| 13:09 | it's the marc output | |
| 13:09 | kyle | it's a marc file? |
| 13:09 | cm | yeah, AFAIK. |
| 13:10 | however, it doesn't limit by itemcallnumber. | |
| 13:10 | kados | there's a patch to make it save it as .mrc |
| 13:10 | ahh, interesting | |
| 13:10 | cm | i tried exporting a call number range of OS 000 through OS 999 (oversize) |
| 13:10 | kyle | have you tried it by callnumber, or only by biblionumbers? By callnumber is an option on the form, but I don't see any mention of it in the perl file. |
| 13:10 | kados | honestly I've never tried limiting by callnumber |
| 13:10 | cm | and it exported the whole database |
| 13:11 | 64 mb! | |
| 13:11 | kados | I wonder if it uses the record-level call num or the item-level |
| 13:11 | s/uses/supposed to use/ | |
| 13:11 | any thouhts on how it _should_ work? | |
| 13:11 | cm | dunno...the template says item call number, i think. |
| 13:11 | kyle | first it checks for start_bib and end_bib, then it tries for start_bib on, then it just grabs everything! |
| 13:11 | kados | what would be useful for you? |
| 13:12 | cm | item callnumber would be useful. |
| 13:12 | kyle | Our librarians wanted to export by callnumber. |
| 13:12 | I mean export by barcode | |
| 13:12 | cm | yeah, that too. |
| 13:12 | kyle | It would be no harder than by callnumber, but for some reason by callnumber was never implemented. |
| 13:12 | kados | and when we say callnumber, we're talking about item.itemcallnumber, right? |
| 13:13 | cm | weird...maybe somebody started it but didn't finish. |
| 13:13 | yeah, item.itemcallnumber. | |
| 13:13 | kados | yea, probably |
| 13:13 | kyle | It shouldn't be very hard to add export by *both* callnumber or barcode. |
| 13:13 | kados | or? |
| 13:13 | kyle | I can do that, I believe. |
| 13:13 | kados | do you mean 'and'? |
| 13:14 | cm | i think kyle means either/or. |
| 13:14 | kyle | either export by a range of callnumbers, or by a range of barcodes. |
| 13:14 | kados | ahh, ok |
| 13:14 | yep, should be simple | |
| 13:14 | kyle | my bad, poor choice of language. |
| 13:15 | I'll go ahead give a shot at implemening those. | |
| 13:15 | kados | sweet |
| 13:15 | cm | cool. |
| 13:17 | hey kados, where's that patch for saving the output as a .mrc? | |
| 13:17 | is it in cvs? | |
| 13:19 | kados | I think so |
| 13:19 | might not be in dev_week | |
| 13:19 | lemme see | |
| 13:20 | cm | ok. |
| 13:21 | kados | if ($op eq "export") { |
| 13:21 | print $query->header( -type => 'application/octet-stream', | |
| 13:21 | -attachment=>'koha.mrc'); | |
| 13:21 | that's all you need | |
| 13:21 | I can commit to dev_week | |
| 13:21 | just a sec | |
| 13:21 | cm | spiffy. :) |
| 13:22 | kyle | cm: don't overwrite our current marc.pl, I'm working on it : ) |
| 13:22 | cm | i was just wondering about that. :) |
| 13:23 | kados | kyle: if you run cvs update marc.pl it should patch it for you |
| 13:25 | kyle | won't that overwrite my newly modified marc.pl. I've added the by callnumber stuff, and now I'm working on the by barcode part. |
| 13:25 | kados | shouldn't touch that part |
| 13:25 | cm | you could just paste the code in |
| 13:25 | kados | cvs update will patch it for you :-) |
| 13:25 | cm | we have a funky install, though. |
| 13:25 | kados | diff and patch are your friends |
| 13:26 | kyle | but our main code isn't CVS. |
| 13:26 | kados | ahh |
| 13:26 | so you can use diff and patch directly then | |
| 13:26 | cm | yeah, we've tweaked bits of it. |
| 13:26 | kyle | it's a CVS pull without the CVS, as per the dev_week install howto. |
| 13:26 | cm | yep. |
| 13:29 | kyle | cm: just update /build/koha and I'll pull the changes from there. |
| 13:31 | Also, on that form, there is Item Type, with no choice pulldown, and branch, which only has the choice "default" | |
| 13:32 | There is supposed to be a Branch Loop, but marc.pl doesn't give it any data. | |
| 13:32 | and the Item Type line is this: <tr><th scope="row">Item Type: </th><td><!--TMPL_VAR Name="CGIitemtype"--></td></tr> | |
| 13:33 | kados | ahh, right |
| 13:33 | there's a bit of history there | |
| 13:33 | we switched the way we do itemtype dropdows | |
| 13:33 | someone musta forgot to update the export routine at the same time | |
| 13:33 | someone-- | |
| 13:33 | kyle | how should I fix that? |
| 13:33 | how should I fix that? | |
| 13:34 | kados | well I'd be happy to do it |
| 13:34 | or if you want to take a crack at it | |
| 13:34 | have a look at how the itemtypes dropdows work in opac/search | |
| 13:34 | and in the corresponding template | |
| 13:34 | kyle | Ok, let me just make sure the export by callnumber and barcode are working, then I'll commit my changes. |
| 13:34 | kados | kyle++ |
| 13:42 | kyle | cindy has confirmed that my modifications work. I'll add that patch code and commit it. |
| 13:43 | kados: did you commit that update to dev_week? | |
| 13:45 | kados | yep, think so |
| 13:46 | kyle: are you subscribed to koha-cvs? | |
| 13:47 | kyle | excellent, works. And yes, I'm on the koha-cvs list. |
| 13:49 | ok, my changes are comitted. You can add the fix for the Item Type, and Branch dropdowns. | |
| 13:56 | rch | kyle: / cm : if each branch has its own issuingrules.maxqty = 10 , say for itemtype DVD, can a patron check out 10 DVDs at each branch? |
| 13:59 | kyle | rch: that's a good question, I would say yes. |
| 14:00 | kados | wow |
| 14:00 | rch | good... that's the easy answer. there should be system-wide limits in place, though. |
| 14:01 | maybe for 3.2 | |
| 14:01 | kados | yea, makes sense |
| 14:01 | kyle | I borrower should be able to check out the Meadville maximum of 4, and then go to Saegertown and check out thier max of say 2. |
| 14:01 | rch | or maybe even for 3.0 |
| 14:01 | kados | or just your rules technique |
| 14:01 | kyle | I agree. |
| 14:21 | kados | hdl: are you around? |
| 16:00 | kyle: you around? | |
| 16:00 | kyle: check my recent commit please | |
| 16:00 | kyle: which allows the librarian to pick a branch when they are logging in | |
| 16:10 | kyle | I'm around |
| 16:10 | you mean logging in to koha? | |
| 16:11 | kados | kyle: yup |
| 16:11 | kyle: just cvs update Auth.pm and auth.tmpl | |
| 16:12 | kyle | I'll let cindy know about that. She handles all the updates. |
| 16:13 | For the CCFLS we don't want librarians to accidentally set themselves to the wrong library, so i added a little javascript to our templates that sets the cookie based on the login name. | |
| 16:13 | kados | interesting |
| 16:13 | kyle | That's a nice update though. |
| 16:14 | I'm trying to add the branches pulldown to marc.pl, but I'm not getting anywhere. | |
| 16:14 | kados | ahh, it's quite easy |
| 16:14 | add: | |
| 16:14 | use C4::Koha; | |
| 16:14 | kyle | I pulled the code from search.pl and advsearc.tmpl, but I'm not getting anything. |
| 16:14 | kados | actually, just add exactly what I added to Auth.pm and auth.tmpl |
| 16:14 | look at those diffs | |
| 16:15 | kyle | ok. |
| 16:16 | I'm still getting nothing. | |
| 16:18 | kados | could you be more specific? :-) |
| 16:19 | kyle | in marc.pl : |
| 16:19 | # load the branches | |
| 16:19 | my $branches = getallbranches(); | |
| 16:19 | my @branch_loop; | |
| 16:19 | push @branch_loop, {value => "", branchname => "All Branches", }; | |
| 16:19 | for my $branch_hash (keys %$branches) { | |
| 16:19 | push @branch_loop, {value => "branch: $branch_hash", branchname => $branches->{$branch_hash}->{'branchname'}, }; | |
| 16:19 | } | |
| 16:19 | $template->param(branchloop => \@branch_loop,); | |
| 16:19 | in marc.tmpl: | |
| 16:19 | <tr><th scope="row">Branch:</th><td><select name="branch"> | |
| 16:19 | <option value="">Default</option> | |
| 16:19 | <!-- TMPL_LOOP NAME="branchloop" --> | |
| 16:19 | <option value="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME='value' -->"><!-- TMPL_VAR NAME='branchname' --></option> | |
| 16:19 | <!-- /TMPL_LOOP --> | |
| 16:19 | </select></td></tr> | |
| 16:20 | and yet, nothing. | |
| 16:20 | kados | you sure you added it to the right auth.tmpl? |
| 16:20 | and the right auth.pl? | |
| 16:20 | kyle | I think we are talking about different things. |
| 16:21 | kados | yea, sorry |
| 16:21 | I mean marc.tmpl and marc.pl | |
| 16:21 | are you sure they are the ones in the path of your server? | |
| 16:21 | kyle | oh, ok. |
| 16:22 | kados | can't tell you how many times I've made that mistake :-) |
| 16:22 | one way you can test is by putting some garbage string into the template | |
| 16:22 | kyle | That was the problem ; ) |
| 16:22 | kados | and refresh the page to see if it shows up :-) |
| 16:23 | kyle | I was working on the correct marc.tmpl, but the wrong marc.pl |
| 16:23 | kados | yea, it can be confusing |
| 16:23 | kyle | how I have to implement the branchcodes in the marc.pl sql |
| 16:23 | kados | woot |
| 16:33 | kyle: looks like you got it sorted, congrats | |
| 16:36 | hi _paul | |
| 05:29 | lea | hi |
| 05:38 | chris | hi lea |
| 05:41 | lea | hi chris |
| 05:41 | i have a quick copule of questions before i have to go | |
| 05:42 | is there a standard Subject Authority i can get hold of for Koha? We don't want to create one from scratch! | |
| 05:42 | brb | |
| 05:43 | chris | yes, no, maybe, 12 |
| 05:43 | (quick answeres) | |
| 05:43 | short answer no, but we are working on it | |
| 05:43 | the good news is its very very easy to create one from your existing records | |
| 05:44 | i havent done it, but kados assures me its easy, and no more than an hour or 2 work | |
| 05:45 | he | |
| 05:45 | he'll be asleep at the mo, but i can find out the details for you when i next see him | |
| 06:03 | lea | super |
| 06:03 | i mean, I was going to write a program to map existing keywords to Subjects. We just thought it might be nice to get a predefined target data set | |
| 06:04 | ok, next: short loans. Is there a way of specifying that a book is short loan by means of flagging it? | |
| 06:04 | or does it have to go in it's own item type? | |
| 06:04 | hdl | lea : builauthorities is a script to have a look at. |
| 06:05 | lea | hi hdl |
| 06:05 | hdl | it will be allowed in rel30 |
| 06:05 | lea | ok. When is that scheduled? |
| 06:06 | hdl | God knows :P But soon. |
| 06:06 | lea | heh |
| 06:06 | hdl | 3 months. |
| 06:06 | lea | ah ok |
| 06:06 | what is the strategy to take before then? One that can be migrated to the new flagging system at a later date? | |
| 06:07 | hdl | Now, you could create a new itemtype and affect short terms to it. |
| 06:07 | (IMHO) | |
| 06:09 | buildauthorities builds authorities from peculiar fields in biblios and link biblios to them. | |
| 06:09 | Can be helpfull | |
| 06:10 | lea | hdl: Our source data is not marc21 |
| 06:10 | so any data imported is mapped by us | |
| 06:11 | actually, i tell a lie. It *is* marc21, but it sucks. | |
| 06:11 | it has very little info in it | |
| 06:12 | ok. another quick q: Is it possible to extend the borrower categories IDs from 2 chars? | |
| 06:12 | or is that fixed? | |
| 06:13 | paul | lea : in 3.0, all codes can be 10 char long (minimum) |
| 06:13 | lea | minimum? What if you just want to have a "staff" category? |
| 06:15 | hdl | paul tells you you can at least have 10 chars if not more (12 or 16) |
| 06:15 | lea : don't you use z3950 sources to enrich data ? | |
| 06:16 | lea | well, i tried, but they dont work very well |
| 06:16 | we have 15K books to migrate so automation is essential | |
| 06:16 | i tried isbn matches and that doesn't work too well | |
| 06:17 | unless i'm approaching this wrong? | |
| 06:17 | Ah, i know what the issue was | |
| 06:17 | suppose you use 10 different servers, each server will have different subject Authorities no? | |
| 06:18 | thus polluting your target data | |
| 06:19 | hdl | In france there are two or three servers so the problem is different. |
| 06:19 | lea | What's the normal strategy with this? I can't be the first person to hit this issue. |
| 06:21 | bbiab | |
| 07:09 | this koha meeting is mad | |
| 07:36 | i'm getting moved. BBIAB | |
| 08:26 | kados | paul around? |
| 08:26 | hdl: ? | |
| 08:26 | hi all | |
| 08:52 | hdl | hi kados |
| 08:53 | kados | hi |
| 08:53 | hdl: did you solve the zebra server probs? | |
| 08:54 | hdl | yes. It was a misuse of zebrasrv. |
| 09:03 | I used zebrasrv -c where -f was to be used. | |
| 09:03 | It is good on wiki. But I read man zebrasrv and was mislead. | |
| 09:04 | kados | oops, I hope it wasn't my fault on the koha wiki |
| 09:04 | :-) | |
| 09:10 | lea | hi again |
| 11:25 | kyle | hey all. |
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