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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:00 | owen | ...something we /didn't/ do with the OPAC and the MARC/ISBD views... |
| 11:00 | kados | yea |
| 11:00 | that's exactly what I was thinking | |
| 11:00 | also, regarding the OPAC | |
| 11:01 | I'm thinking we should just piggy back on a library like YUI at least for layout | |
| 11:01 | rather than try to roll our own | |
| 11:01 | maybe for tabs too | |
| 11:02 | ie, I really like our OPAC design for dev_week, but we could probably make it more browser compliant in 3.0 if we used selected components in YUI | |
| 11:02 | anyway ... that's my current thinking :-) | |
| 11:02 | subject to change of course :_) | |
| 11:02 | owen | Yeah, that sounds sensible if we go with YUI for the intranet. |
| 11:03 | kados | I think what we need to do is have a focused meeting to discuss intranet design |
| 11:03 | ie, how should this thing actually look :-) | |
| 11:05 | tina and I were talking yesterday and she had an interesting idea that I was a bit skeptical of but is probably worth mentioning | |
| 11:06 | rather than have three input boxes on the left-nav, what about a single box that could be used for all three | |
| 11:06 | and some way (maybe a tab or a drop down) that could switch which function it is performing | |
| 11:06 | (or an access key) | |
| 11:07 | owen | I think that's a little too much keyboard interaction for those inputs |
| 11:08 | Is she worried about the amount of stuff in that menu? | |
| 11:08 | kados | yea, a bit |
| 11:08 | and in the demos we've done, people tend to be a bit overwhelmed by it | |
| 11:10 | owen | Yeah, it's overwhelming if you're using an unrestricted user. It's a lot more manageable if you're logged in as a circ-staff user. |
| 11:11 | kados | yea, that's true |
| 11:16 | owen | Before we get together for a meeting I'd like to have plenty of time to get to know the current status of the 3.0 interface. But yeah, I think getting together to discuss it would be a great idea. |
| 11:19 | rch | hi owen |
| 11:19 | hi hdl | |
| 11:19 | owen | hi rch |
| 11:19 | kados | hdl: I'm writing an agenda for our 15 minute Installer meeting on the wiki |
| 11:24 | hdl: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ndandnotes07mar12 | |
| 11:25 | hdl: is now a good time to have a 15 minute meeting to address those issues? | |
| 11:26 | hdl | yes |
| 11:27 | let's do it | |
| 11:27 | kados | great |
| 11:27 | rch | hdl: do you have userflags sql? |
| 11:27 | i didn't see them in fr/ | |
| 11:28 | hdl | Actually, we donot have translated them yet. |
| 11:29 | But we shave to | |
| 11:29 | But we have to | |
| 11:29 | kados | hdl: will that fix the duplication problem I'm seeing? |
| 11:30 | rch | kados & i were discussing adding primary key to prevent duplication |
| 11:30 | hdl | I donot know. I don't see your problem. |
| 11:30 | rch | vs. testing in installer |
| 11:30 | -- if you run installer twice :) | |
| 11:30 | kados | hdl: if I run the installer more than once I get duplicates in user flags and sysprefs |
| 11:31 | hdl: it doesn't happen for you? | |
| 11:31 | hdl | I didnot notice this problem. |
| 11:31 | But since you say there are no primary key, this must happen. | |
| 11:32 | kados | so is the best solution to add a primary key to both tables? |
| 11:32 | if so, who will do it? | |
| 11:32 | if not, what is another solution? | |
| 11:33 | hdl | Maybe adding primary keys to Varaible names and userflags flag woud be a solution. |
| 11:33 | You can do it. | |
| 11:34 | rch | seems easier than testing |
| 11:34 | i'll do it | |
| 11:34 | hdl | Is this the best solution. I donot know. |
| 11:34 | Do we still need bibliothesaurus table ? | |
| 11:34 | kados | bibliothesaurus table had a fulltext index, is it OK it’s removed? |
| 11:35 | hdl | I think no. |
| 11:35 | kados | if we dont' need it lets remove it |
| 11:35 | who will find out and take care of it? | |
| 11:35 | hdl | It was to compile subjects. |
| 11:36 | I donot have time | |
| 11:36 | rch | so it is supposed to be a myisam table |
| 11:37 | hdl | I think this table is disposable |
| 11:38 | it was used in Koha1.0 to get subjects. | |
| 11:38 | rch | ok, so we can drop it from the sql definition |
| 11:39 | kados | great |
| 11:39 | so next: | |
| 11:39 | how to signal that the install’s already been done | |
| 11:40 | rch | the chmod doesn't work for me. |
| 11:40 | hdl | Adding a value to koha.conf file would be ok for me. |
| 11:41 | rch | could update 'koha version' |
| 11:41 | hdl | <webinstaller>kohaversion</webinstaller> |
| 11:41 | kados | where is koha version stored now? |
| 11:42 | hdl | nowhere. |
| 11:42 | kados | hmmm, I thought we had a version string somewhere |
| 11:42 | it's listed on the about page, right? | |
| 11:43 | hdl | yes. |
| 11:43 | Was stored in kohaversion. | |
| 11:43 | kados | can we just use that? |
| 11:44 | use a specific string like: | |
| 11:44 | hdl | But in xml I donot know. |
| 11:44 | kados | webinstall-3.0.1 or sth |
| 11:45 | rch | i think this sounds ok |
| 11:45 | hdl | ok to me |
| 11:45 | rch | then user manually removes installer dir |
| 11:48 | kados | yep |
| 11:48 | will web installer be used to handle upgrades? | |
| 11:49 | hdl | i think it can. |
| 11:51 | rch | hdl: what's the status of the migration_tools/22_to_30/ stuff? |
| 11:52 | kados | to use the installer for upgrades we will need some additions |
| 11:53 | 1. it will need to tell the user that 'koha's installed, there's a newer version, would you like to install it?' | |
| 11:55 | rch | i'm not sure about 22->3.0 ... seems better to run a series of cmd line scripts. |
| 11:55 | kados | yea, I agree |
| 11:55 | rch | likely many warnings log stuff |
| 11:55 | kados | but for 3.0.0 -> 3.0.1 |
| 11:55 | rch | right |
| 11:55 | kados | we could use the web installer if it was tuned a bit |
| 11:56 | so ... | |
| 11:56 | what's our conclusion on this point? | |
| 11:57 | I'd like to wrap up this mtg in 3 minutes :-) | |
| 11:57 | rch | okay, so webinstaller tests version number... |
| 11:58 | otherwise, that logic isn't needed until 3.0.1, right? | |
| 11:58 | hdl | was on phone with paum. |
| 11:58 | was on phone with paul. | |
| 11:58 | sory. | |
| 11:59 | rch : for 22 to 3 | |
| 11:59 | I agree it is not webinstaller's duty. | |
| 11:59 | but console admin tools. | |
| 11:59 | (paul greets you all) | |
| 12:00 | kados | (hi paul) |
| 12:01 | hdl | where to put images : in usual images dir |
| 12:02 | rch | and how important is platform dependent code? |
| 12:02 | kados | it's very important |
| 12:02 | otherwise we alienate windows and mac users | |
| 12:03 | hdl | But I can't give you any good solution. |
| 12:03 | rch | but noone's going to run zebra on those platforms |
| 12:03 | kados | tumer does |
| 12:03 | rch | really? |
| 12:03 | kados | yep, NEU is a windows show |
| 12:04 | rch | personally, i don't think we need to support ms. |
| 12:04 | tho i agree that the installer's methods could be cleaner | |
| 12:04 | hdl | If tumer can tell us about good ways to find an discover exe files on a windows bos, ok for me, but I cannot spend to much time on this issue. |
| 12:05 | rch | i don't know anything about windows platform. |
| 12:05 | hdl | You can make proposition. I would be glad to see something taht you consider clean. |
| 12:05 | I did what I could in the time frame I had. | |
| 12:06 | I did what seemed to me the basic assumptions one could do. | |
| 12:07 | rch | hdl: by 'cleaner', i meant less OS-specific :) |
| 12:07 | hdl | Do not presume any software is installed or even installed the simpler way. |
| 12:07 | It works on any Linux *BSD box :D | |
| 12:07 | rch | yes, to make a really robust installer is a very big job |
| 12:08 | hdl | And I donot have any experience in OSX or windows web installation services. |
| 12:09 | Maybe ActiveX for windows could do the job. On OSX, I bet that dev tools can provide ppl with 'find' and 'which' commands. | |
| 12:10 | rch | right... well we'll have to as k tumer for windows stuff. |
| 12:11 | hdl | kados : is it ok to consider installer can be used for upgrades over 30 jumping to step3 ? |
| 12:11 | I can tweak it to make it work. | |
| 12:12 | rch | that makes sense to me |
| 12:14 | kados & i were discussing defining install files in xml file instead of reading directory contents. | |
| 12:14 | that might make upgrades easier to manage, too | |
| 12:16 | kados | yep |
| 12:17 | well one problem we have now | |
| 12:17 | is that the order of the files is not controleld | |
| 12:17 | it's stored in a hash | |
| 12:17 | hdl | XML seems to be VERY powerful and hepful. Maybe the way to go. |
| 12:18 | kados | so when you install Koha, sometimes it will cause errors because of constraints |
| 12:18 | hdl | kados: We could provide numbers as 1st letters of files. |
| 12:18 | That way, they would be ordered. | |
| 12:19 | rch | that's what we did... |
| 12:19 | hdl | pb would be for required and optional. |
| 12:19 | rch | but they're still stored in a hash |
| 12:19 | hdl | and hash is not ordered ? |
| 12:20 | rch | no guarantees |
| 12:20 | it of course can be sorted | |
| 12:22 | hdl | rch : where is the hash ? |
| 12:22 | dewey | the hash is not ordered ? |
| 12:22 | hdl | dewey : forget heash |
| 12:22 | dewey | hdl, I didn't have anything matching heash |
| 12:22 | hdl | dewey : forget hash |
| 12:22 | dewey | hdl: I forgot hash |
| 12:23 | hdl | rch : OK. seen. |
| 12:25 | rch | ah, looking at it now, actually it's an array |
| 12:25 | can sort it easily on substring. | |
| 12:26 | hdl | rch : foreach my $file ($query->param('framework')){ |
| 12:26 | That line ? | |
| 12:27 | We have to order on basename + directory. | |
| 12:29 | rch | right |
| 12:29 | but if it used xml instead, could it more readily specify upgrade paths as well as install order? | |
| 12:30 | we are okay for now on ordering. | |
| 12:35 | so i am still interested in how to redirect user to installer. | |
| 12:35 | so you can't go straight to opac before installation | |
| 12:43 | hdl | rch : why not having http redirect in C4::Auth if no kohaversion in Config file ? |
| 12:51 | kados | that sounds good |
| 12:52 | can kohaversion be a syspref rather than stored in the config file? | |
| 12:52 | would it be faster to read it then? | |
| 12:55 | rch | i prefer having original redirect to installer, changed after install. |
| 12:56 | perhaps install step 1: install symbolic link in apache to koha-httpd.conf | |
| 12:57 | at end of install, we rewrite koha-httpd.conf, and instruct to restart web server. | |
| 13:29 | kados | hdl: you there still? |
| 13:29 | hdl | yes |
| 13:29 | kados | hdl: rch and I are looking at kohastructure.sql and we were wondering if it would be OK if we use mysqldump to generate it |
| 13:29 | the only difference is that constraints are stored inside each table def | |
| 13:29 | hdl | I think so. |
| 13:30 | kados | is there any argument for stroring them at the end instead? |
| 13:30 | hdl | kados : about kohaversion stored in the sysprefs, I prefer having it in conf file. Thus, it will be read only once with mod_perl. |
| 13:31 | kados | good point |
| 13:31 | ok, lets store it in conf file then | |
| 13:31 | but it means we need to write to the conf file | |
| 13:32 | hdl | Yes. I think I'l have to cope with it. |
| 13:32 | kados | I have another question |
| 13:32 | why do we use a system call to mysql instead of just using dbi in the installer? | |
| 13:33 | hdl | But it could be dangerous to let conf file writable for apache. |
| 13:33 | kados | true |
| 13:33 | what about a simple installer conf file? | |
| 13:33 | installer/install.conf or sth? | |
| 13:33 | it coudl also be used to store directory information | |
| 13:34 | about what files are in sql-datas, etc. | |
| 13:34 | hdl | kados : sytemcall to mysql instead of DBI because when using DBI, SOURCING File couldnot be achieved. (Was it because apache is chrooted ? was it for another matter, I donot know.) |
| 13:35 | May be becaus file was too big. | |
| 13:35 | I tried at first to use dbh->do("SOURCE $myfile") | |
| 13:35 | [14:20:01] <hdl> But that failed miserably. | |
| 13:36 | kados | hmmm |
| 13:52 | ok, so that won't be changed then | |
| 13:52 | there are two tasks I'm not sure who's taking them | |
| 13:52 | 1. preventing opac and intranet from being visible before installer is run | |
| 13:52 | 2. signal to installer that install has already been done | |
| 13:53 | rch | hdl: was the failure on source for kohastructure.sql or for frameworks? |
| 13:53 | or both? | |
| 13:53 | dewey | both are pretty secure though |
| 13:53 | hdl | kohastructure.sql |
| 13:53 | kados | dewey: forget both |
| 13:53 | dewey | kados: I forgot both |
| 13:53 | kados | so who's taking #1? |
| 13:54 | hdl | both are linked. |
| 13:54 | kados | yep |
| 13:54 | so what is the roadmap to completing them? | |
| 13:54 | and who is taking on responsibility to complete? | |
| 13:54 | hdl | I thought I would take them. But if you have time to do them. |
| 13:55 | I won't be able to do it until late this week. | |
| 13:55 | kados | ok, that's fine |
| 13:55 | you can take them for later this week | |
| 13:56 | I'm going to compose a mail to koha-devel | |
| 14:19 | summary to koha-devel sent | |
| 14:44 | hdl: could you explain what 'cities' and 'roads' and 'departments' are in 3.0? | |
| 15:04 | hdl | cities are for towns |
| 15:04 | roads should be Street, Boulevards, ... | |
| 15:05 | departments are Bouche-du-Rhône (around Marseille), Hérault (around Montpellier) They have different zipcodes : | |
| 15:06 | 13000 for Marseille | |
| 15:06 | 34XXX for Hérault | |
| 15:06 | 75XXX for Paris | |
| 15:07 | kados : is it clear ? | |
| 15:09 | tnb | hdl: hey :) |
| 15:09 | If I send you an email, could you give me a few stats on SAN-OP? | |
| 15:09 | collection size, # borrowers, etc? | |
| 15:10 | hdl | tnb: send it to btoumi. He should be more able to provide you with figures. |
| 15:11 | tnb | what is his address? |
| 15:11 | never mind, i found it :) | |
| 15:11 | thanks! | |
| 15:13 | hpassini | SAN-OP have 150 000 notices or biblios |
| 15:13 | hdl | kados : department stands for library department : Youth Albums, Adults, Science |
| 15:13 | hpassini | 250 000 items |
| 15:14 | and 20 000 borrowers and btoumi is on hollidays | |
| 17:38 | kados | rach: howdy |
| 17:40 | hdl | kados : do you have a sorting pb with results on more than 2 pages ? |
| 17:40 | There is one on rel_3_0. | |
| 17:41 | selected order is not kept. | |
| 17:41 | Could you verify on a devweek box ? | |
| 17:41 | chris | sounds like a template problem? |
| 17:41 | not passing through the order variable? | |
| 17:41 | hdl | It is. |
| 17:42 | chris | and hi hdl :-) |
| 17:42 | hdl | but I think there also can be a mix. |
| 17:42 | hi chris. | |
| 17:42 | How are you and kahungari ? | |
| 17:42 | chris | good thanks, a bit tired today, he woke a couple of times last night |
| 17:42 | but mostly good :) | |
| 17:43 | hdl | mix between order Selection in template and selected in combobox. |
| 17:43 | chris | ahh right |
| 17:44 | hdl | combo box forgets wht has been selected. |
| 17:46 | + hardcoded labels in displaySortBy. | |
| 17:47 | kados | we don't have a proper query parser |
| 17:47 | if you want you could just use zebra | |
| 17:47 | instead of the query parser I slapped on top | |
| 17:47 | hdl | This should not happen. |
| 17:48 | kados | hdl: feel free to file some bugs |
| 17:48 | hdl: I'd be happy to work on better query parsing | |
| 10:01 | anyone else having trouble committing to savannah? | |
| 10:13 | owen | Hi kados |
| 10:13 | kados | hey there |
| 10:14 | fix the index, break the index, fix the index, break the index :-) | |
| 10:14 | this time it looks to be a problem with the query that's done in addbiblio | |
| 10:14 | to find duplicates | |
| 10:53 | hdl: you around? | |
| 10:53 | hdl | yes |
| 10:53 | hi | |
| 10:53 | kados | hdl: could you send a link to the record that you are having trouble with ? |
| 10:53 | hdl: otherwise it will be impossible to troubleshoot for the perl4lib guys | |
| 10:53 | (hi :-)) | |
| 10:54 | hdl | I sent Ed Summers the XML record. |
| 10:54 | kados | also, just FYI, I've discovered that sending an attachment of a MARC file often corrupts it |
| 10:54 | excellent | |
| 10:54 | hdl | It is basically failing on what appears as µ |
| 10:55 | But should be ae with ligature. | |
| 10:55 | kados | could you send it to me too? :-) |
| 10:55 | hdl | No. ASCII for mu greek letter. |
| 10:55 | kados | ahh, that's likely the prob then |
| 10:55 | don't think MARC::Charset can handle anything but UNICODE or MARC-8 | |
| 10:56 | hdl: ok, second question | |
| 10:56 | hdl: did you see my "questions for french team"? | |
| 10:56 | hdl | Yes. |
| 10:56 | But cannot answer most of them. | |
| 10:56 | kados | who can? san-op? |
| 10:57 | hdl | Yes and paul. |
| 10:57 | kados | ahh, ok |
| 10:57 | thanks | |
| 10:57 | rch and I are continuing our code audit today | |
| 10:57 | it would be very useful to have those answers asap | |
| 10:58 | hdl | I find it quite dangerous to rename sysprefs, since you have to make code audit to know where it is used. |
| 10:59 | a grep C4\:\:Context\-\>preference can help. But I don't know if ppl always use this facility to gain access to sysprefs | |
| 10:59 | kados | well grep -r SysPref can help |
| 10:59 | but I agree, it should be done carefully if at all |
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