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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:43 | Mordazy | anybody here? |
| 13:11 | bye | |
| 02:07 | osmoze | hello |
| 02:07 | dewey | hello, osmoze |
| 02:33 | btoumi | hi all |
| 03:35 | toins | hi all |
| 07:57 | owen | Looks like it was a quiet night in #koha |
| 08:41 | kados | morning owen |
| 08:42 | owen | Hi kados, Mordazy |
| 08:42 | Mordazy | hi kados, hi owen |
| 08:42 | I`m sad :( | |
| 08:43 | probably Koha will not be our next ILS :( | |
| 08:44 | we`ve got an alternative | |
| 08:44 | very strong competition to Koha, free, but not open source | |
| 08:46 | kados | which one? |
| 08:46 | dewey | i heard which one was that? :-) |
| 08:46 | kados | Mordazy: free but not open source? |
| 08:47 | Mordazy | it`s a one man`s program |
| 08:47 | kados | got a URL? |
| 08:47 | Mordazy | he wrote it because he hated their old ILS |
| 08:47 | yes, here you are | |
| 08:47 | http://www.bemowo.e-bp.pl/bemowo/makowe.php | |
| 08:48 | kados | Mordazy: would you be interested in helping with a polish translation of Koha? |
| 08:48 | Mordazy: if I send you a couple of files, could you translate them? | |
| 08:49 | Mordazy | kados: there already is a translation |
| 08:49 | I`m working on polish version od 2.2.4 | |
| 08:49 | however it`s been heavily customized | |
| 08:49 | kados | Mordazy: yes, but not for the npl template |
| 08:50 | Mordazy: I mean a translation of the npl template ... I can send you the files if you're willing | |
| 08:50 | you would be the author of the polish translation of opac.liblime.com :-) | |
| 08:50 | (have you seen opac.liblime.com before?) | |
| 08:51 | ahh, I see | |
| 08:52 | Mordazy | kados: why not, but it would depend on time I had |
| 08:54 | kados | ok, what's your email? |
| 08:54 | I"ll send you the files | |
| 08:54 | Mordazy | kados: mail the files to mordazy at poczta.onet.pl |
| 08:54 | kados | k ... thanks |
| 08:58 | Mordazy: sent | |
| 08:58 | Mordazy | OK |
| 08:58 | what do you think about that other program? | |
| 08:58 | I`ve seen it in action | |
| 08:59 | it`s fast and loaded with features | |
| 08:59 | I would say even: overloaded with features | |
| 09:01 | it has everything, including internet cafe control and scanning and resizing covers | |
| 09:01 | but it has some drawbacks for me: | |
| 09:02 | 1) it`s a program of one author, and he won`t publish the source code, so we`re stuck with him | |
| 09:03 | 2) he will not make any custom changes for users, unless all users need it or agree | |
| 09:04 | 3) athe interface is rather childish and not very readable | |
| 09:06 | however, its implementation would be much faster than Kohas | |
| 09:08 | ehh | |
| 09:08 | sorry | |
| 09:09 | I wanted Koha badly | |
| 09:09 | but I can`t deny the facts :( | |
| 09:12 | kados: how to use that http://poedit.com? | |
| 09:13 | kados | Mordazy: Mordazy sorry it's http://www.poedit.org/ |
| 09:14 | Mordazy | heh :) |
| 09:14 | kados | Mordazy: it will make it easier to translate |
| 09:16 | Mordazy | ? |
| 09:35 | kados | Mordazy: you install poedit, then open the file I sent you using poedit |
| 09:38 | Mordazy | okay :) |
| 09:39 | by the way, can I translate librarian interface the same way? | |
| 09:41 | and this is opac fot that other ILS.. | |
| 09:41 | http://www.bemowo.e-bp.pl/bemo[…]tabelka&katalog=3 | |
| 09:42 | it`s called Mateusz by the way | |
| 09:49 | ah | |
| 09:49 | I thought it`s OPAC only | |
| 09:55 | kados | Mordazy: yes, you can translate the librarian interface the same way |
| 09:58 | Mordazy | kados: is it in another file or npl_po.po contains all? |
| 09:58 | kados | Mordazy: I will send you the other file |
| 09:58 | Mordazy | okay |
| 09:58 | kados | Mordazy: but could you translate the OPAC first? |
| 09:59 | Mordazy | yeah |
| 09:59 | but don`t know how much will it take | |
| 10:00 | not to mention there`s a queue :) | |
| 10:01 | right now I`m translating documentation for the guy who localized 2.2.4 and helps me with it | |
| 10:04 | kados | too bad he didn't use the PO method of translation |
| 10:04 | it would be much more efficient :/ | |
| 10:04 | Mordazy | well |
| 10:05 | kados | or maybe he did, just with the default tempaltes |
| 10:05 | Mordazy | I`ll give him the what I translate |
| 10:05 | we`ll see | |
| 10:06 | anyway, unfortunately it seems that Koha and related thing will have to be considered as my free time project, not a job activity.... | |
| 10:07 | free time = spare time :) | |
| 10:09 | kados | sure |
| 10:09 | Mordazy: any contribution is greatly appreciated :-) | |
| 10:10 | Mordazy: but I would like more information at some point about why you would choose something built by one guy over an international project | |
| 10:10 | Mordazy | kados: a couple of various reasons |
| 10:12 | 1) Time. We have 8 months tops to migrate. I can`t guarantee that I will be able to make Koha as usable as Mateusz is right out of the box. | |
| 10:13 | kados | (Mateusz has more features than koha!?) |
| 10:13 | Mordazy | especially that I have to learn almost everything needed to customize Koha the way I want |
| 10:13 | kados: yes, MUCH more. | |
| 10:14 | kados | Mordazy: could you give some examples? |
| 10:14 | Mordazy | - branch separation. Koha has problem with it |
| 10:15 | - very sophisticated member / staff policy | |
| 10:16 | - much better acquisitions and cataloging modules | |
| 10:17 | many small, but VERY useful things | |
| 10:17 | can`t give them, I saw program once for a couple of hours | |
| 10:17 | kados | (the three above I admit, are poor in Koha, but we haven't had a library sponsor them so it hasn't been improved yet) |
| 10:17 | toins | Mordazy: could you give a list of these useful features ? |
| 10:17 | Mordazy | but it virtually had EVERYTHING. |
| 10:17 | toins | ok |
| 10:18 | perhaps it should be good to create a page on the wiki to list all of feature which it could be good to include into koha | |
| 10:19 | kados | toins: I think people have been frustrated in the past because such a list was never used by the developers |
| 10:19 | but I agree it would be good to maintain such a list | |
| 10:19 | toins | kados: ... ok... |
| 10:19 | kados | Mordazy: is the system web-based? |
| 10:20 | Mordazy | no, it has client applications connecting to mysql server |
| 10:20 | kados | ahh ... |
| 10:20 | Mordazy | so it`s fast, very fast |
| 10:20 | kados | yep |
| 10:20 | Mordazy | and also not very hardware - demanding |
| 10:23 | useful features... in cataloging for example it was a table with foreign characters accessible by a click | |
| 10:23 | it even has its own scanning module | |
| 10:23 | kados | scanning? |
| 10:24 | Mordazy | for direct scanning and resising book covers |
| 10:24 | resizing | |
| 10:24 | kados | wow! |
| 10:24 | Mordazy | what else... |
| 10:25 | internet cafe control program :) | |
| 10:25 | kados | very cool, what does it do? |
| 10:26 | Mordazy | part of the author`s library is an internet cafe, free for members |
| 10:26 | any member can surf half an hour per day | |
| 10:26 | so it controls the time and so on | |
| 10:28 | you know, this program is author`s beloved baby | |
| 10:28 | he`s been working on it since 2001 or 2002 | |
| 10:30 | and adding new features is his hobby :) | |
| 10:31 | and it`s hard for me to say this, but it`s everything Koha yet has to become. | |
| 10:33 | I love Koha, the freedom, flexibility and support | |
| 10:35 | but I`m quite alone here and there`s possibility that I wouldn`t make it with implementing it the way my lib managers want :( | |
| 10:38 | aww, sorry again | |
| 10:49 | you know, I wanted Koha badly, because if I managed to set it up the way I wanted, I wouldn`t have to beg anybody for simpliest things as it is now with Aleph. | |
| 10:50 | ehhh | |
| 10:50 | guess I`m boring again | |
| 10:56 | other useful feature in Mateusz is dividing reservation into two groups | |
| 10:57 | if the item is not available at the moment, you can reserve it and system tells you your position in queue | |
| 10:58 | when the item is returned, system send email or sms to the first member in the queue | |
| 10:59 | if item is`nt picked up, system sends email / sms to another member | |
| 11:00 | and you can reserve 3 to 50 items depending on how many times you didn`t pick reserved item on time | |
| 11:00 | the other way of reserving: | |
| 11:01 | after opening hours you can reserve items available, so they wait for you next day | |
| 11:01 | and so on, and so on... | |
| 11:01 | ok, bye! |
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