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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:00 | kados | so something must be different about additem on 101 |
| 12:00 | and in rel_2_2 | |
| 12:01 | very strange | |
| 12:01 | owen: I bet that's because for NPL biblionumber and bibid are identical in most cases | |
| 12:02 | owen: the template should be changed to bibid I think | |
| 12:02 | owen: as that's what additem.pl is looking for | |
| 12:02 | owen | ? You mean <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME='bibid' --> ? |
| 12:02 | kados | yep |
| 12:03 | owen: see if you get the same results with that on 101 | |
| 12:03 | I'm guessing you'll find cases where you're not pulling up the correct items for a record | |
| 12:03 | when you use biblionumber | |
| 12:04 | maybe even cases like tim's where the items aren't showing up at all because there's a biblionumber that doesn't have a corresponding bibid | |
| 12:04 | owen | yes, I get the same results when I change it to bibid |
| 12:04 | kados | and what do you get when you go |
| 12:04 | select * from marc_biblio where bibid='the id'; | |
| 12:04 | well ... | |
| 12:04 | select biblionumber from marc_biblio where bibid='the id'; | |
| 12:05 | are they identical? | |
| 12:06 | owen | Yes |
| 12:06 | tim | I just tried select * from marc_biblio where bibid=biblionumber and came up with nothing. |
| 12:07 | kados | right |
| 12:07 | so that explains it | |
| 12:08 | owen: try this: | |
| 12:08 | tim | So I shold change that on ours or did you already do that? |
| 12:08 | kados | select bibid from marc_biblio where bibid!=biblionumber limit 10; |
| 12:08 | owen | Just did :) |
| 12:08 | tim | Thanks :) |
| 12:08 | owen | And I confirm your conclusions |
| 12:08 | kados | owen: and see if those ids come up funny when you try to edit |
| 12:08 | tim: yea, it's fixed on your box | |
| 12:09 | tim: and we'll update cvs | |
| 12:09 | tim: thanks for the bug report! | |
| 12:09 | tim: and the solution ! (even better :-)) | |
| 12:11 | thx | |
| 12:15 | owen | We really haven't been using bugzilla lately have we? |
| 12:22 | kados | hehe |
| 12:25 | owen | Hmmm... bugs from version 1.2.2? |
| 12:25 | kados | hehe |
| 12:52 | thd | kados: record number 10 from Columbia Univ. has the following problem when using bulkmarcimport.pl: not well-formed (invalid token) at line 40, column 60, byte 1678 at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/Parser.pm line 187 |
| 12:54 | kados: as you would know bulkmarcimport.pl stops importing at that point | |
| 13:36 | kyle | hey all. |
| 13:36 | I just added my templates to cvs | |
| 13:36 | under the title ccfls | |
| 13:36 | kados | excellent kyle |
| 13:36 | kyle | could someone check to see if it worked? |
| 13:36 | thanks. | |
| 13:36 | kados | I"ll look now |
| 13:36 | hmm, don't see anything coming through on koha-cvs | |
| 13:37 | kyle | hmmmm. |
| 13:38 | kados | kyle: did you attempt a commit to rel_2_2? |
| 13:38 | kyle | yes |
| 13:38 | kados | kyle: better pass it by paul first if so |
| 13:38 | kyle: he's getting pretty close to a release of 2.4 | |
| 13:38 | kyle | ok, any idea where I should put them? |
| 13:38 | kados | hang on just a sec |
| 13:38 | phone call | |
| 13:39 | kyle | I wouldn't say there are completely done, but I would put them at %98-99 |
| 13:40 | plus I need to clean out some old, unused files. | |
| 13:42 | kados | back |
| 13:42 | no koha-cvs yet | |
| 13:42 | kyle: where'd you put them? | |
| 13:42 | kyle: koha/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/ccfls ? | |
| 13:48 | kyle | yes |
| 13:49 | kados | doesn't look like they came through |
| 13:49 | kyle | i guess that's not a problem if that's not where I should be putting them anyway. |
| 13:50 | kados | well, if it was up to me I'd put them there |
| 13:51 | but paul's the boss of rel_2_2 | |
| 13:51 | kyle | do you want to ask him, or should I? |
| 13:51 | kados | kyle: do you have a demo somewhere? |
| 13:51 | kyle: he'll be on tomorrow morning (our time) | |
| 13:51 | kyle: if you want to talk to him | |
| 13:52 | kyle: excited about France? | |
| 13:52 | kyle | we do have a test server, i'll ask cindy about it. |
| 13:52 | kados | kyle: how's the data work going? |
| 13:52 | kyle | I've never been out of North America, and I'm a bit anxious ; ) |
| 13:52 | you mean all our marc problems? | |
| 13:52 | kados | is there some way to rush your passport? |
| 13:52 | yea :-) | |
| 13:53 | kyle | yeah, I did all that this morning, I should have it in 10 days or less. |
| 13:53 | kados | sweet |
| 13:53 | well that's gonna be fantastic | |
| 13:53 | it'll be great to have you all there | |
| 13:53 | kyle | I think I'm going to try your idea using the perl marc libraries and just combine each libraries records for now. |
| 13:53 | kados | yea, that'd be what I'd do |
| 13:53 | kyle | I'm looking forward to meeting everybody. |
| 13:54 | kados | there are some routines that may help you with identifying duplicates |
| 13:54 | kyle | I figure later I can learn more about zebra and do some cleanup then. |
| 13:54 | kados | snoop around in addbiblio.pl |
| 13:54 | kyle | will do. thanks for the tip. |
| 13:55 | kados | kyle: line 452 |
| 13:55 | kyle: FindDuplicate | |
| 13:55 | you can probably use some ideas from that sub to build your own | |
| 13:56 | and you'll definitely want to use the CVS versions of MARC::Record | |
| 13:56 | MARC::File::XML and MARC::Charset | |
| 13:56 | they're on sourceforge | |
| 13:56 | the CPAN versions are really old | |
| 13:56 | kyle: also, make sure you convert everything to utf-8 | |
| 13:56 | kyle | ok, sounds good. |
| 13:57 | kados | I'm 99% sure your records will come out as MARC-8 encoded |
| 13:57 | to convert to UTF-8 you can go: | |
| 13:57 | my $uxml = $record->as_xml; | |
| 13:57 | my $newrecord = MARC::Record::new_from_xml($uxml, 'UTF-8'); | |
| 13:58 | assuming $record is a MARC::Record object | |
| 13:58 | kyle | ok. |
| 13:58 | kados | and that you're using the latest SourceForge versions of MARC::REcord, MARC::File::XML and MARC::Charset |
| 13:58 | it's kind silly to go from binary to xml and back to binary just to change the encoding | |
| 13:59 | but there's not a simpler way to do it in MARC::Record proper with binary marc | |
| 13:59 | kyle | : / |
| 13:59 | someday... | |
| 14:00 | I wish marcxml were ubiquitous, it would make my life easier. | |
| 14:00 | kados | no kidding |
| 14:01 | kyle: you'll also want to read over the sections in MARC::Charset's Charset.pm on error reporting, etc. | |
| 14:01 | kyle | I can't believe how different our current ILS works, even from other ILSs of the time. |
| 14:01 | ok, sounds good. | |
| 14:01 | kados | a lot of this stuff isn't documented and you have to go to the source |
| 14:02 | but the cool thing is that it's perl and the POD docs are usually pretty good | |
| 14:02 | kyle | yeah, i'd say so. |
| 14:02 | kados | so perl=easy to read and POD=nice layout :-) |
| 14:02 | kyle: you should hang out here more often :-) | |
| 14:02 | kyle | i'll try to. |
| 14:03 | kados | so all three of you coming to france? |
| 14:03 | or just you and Cindy? | |
| 14:04 | kyle | it seems that way. First it was just me and John. but Cindy rescheduled her vacation to come. |
| 14:04 | so it's all three of us now. | |
| 14:05 | when I though it was just me i was *really* anxious. | |
| 14:05 | kados | hehe |
| 14:05 | kyle | I imagined myself getting lost in Europe somewhere. |
| 14:05 | kados | france is no sweat |
| 14:05 | you should try russia :-) | |
| 14:05 | it gets real messy with visas and such | |
| 14:06 | actually, I got pulled over and had my car searched when I was in Paris last :-) | |
| 14:06 | kyle | my wife went to russia, she said there are essentially no traffic laws and people park wherever they feel like. |
| 14:06 | kados | they started pulling things out and throwing them on the sidewalk |
| 14:06 | kyle | that's not cool. |
| 14:06 | kados | it was tough because I didn't really know my rights |
| 14:07 | kyle | it's hard enough to know your rights in your own country. |
| 14:07 | kados | yea, parking in europe is interesting ... eastern europe especially :_) |
| 14:08 | whenever I get back from europe I'm always surprised at how large our cars are | |
| 14:08 | kyle | I was just thinking about that. |
| 14:08 | I know European cars are gennerally much smaller. | |
| 14:08 | kados | yep |
| 14:08 | kyle | Most american cars wouldn't fit on city streets. |
| 14:09 | kados | kyle: looks like your commit's coming through |
| 14:09 | kyle | mine probably would, I like very small cars. Except when moving. |
| 14:09 | cool. | |
| 14:14 | kados | kyle: did you do an opac tempalte too? |
| 14:15 | owen | I see the ccfls stuff coming down with my CVS update |
| 14:15 | If it was committed all at once, the message is probably being blocked for being too long (awaiting moderator approval) | |
| 14:15 | kados | yea, I approved it |
| 14:16 | kyle: liblime demo running ccfls template | |
| 14:17 | looks cool | |
| 14:17 | kyle | no opac, at least no yet. |
| 14:17 | thanks. | |
| 14:17 | kados | hehe, this rocks |
| 14:18 | open source _does_ work :-) | |
| 14:18 | kyle: looks like you got current branch displaying as well | |
| 14:18 | kyle | i could definitly use some more eyes to spot those little problems. |
| 14:19 | kados | at least on some pages |
| 14:19 | kyle | I know I'm having trouble with finding some color settings. |
| 14:19 | kados | kyle: one thing |
| 14:19 | kyle: charset=iso-8859-1 | |
| 14:19 | kyle: I bet it's hardcoded in your templates | |
| 14:19 | kyle: check the latest NPL templates, there's a new syspref to store that var | |
| 14:19 | kyle | yeah, you're right. |
| 14:19 | kados | kyle: chances are you'll want to run utf-8 anyway |
| 14:19 | kyle | ok |
| 14:20 | yeah. | |
| 14:21 | owen | kyle, what library are you with? |
| 14:21 | kados | owen: Crawford County Federated Library aka Meadville Public |
| 14:21 | Meadville is to CCFLS as Athens is to NPL | |
| 14:21 | kyle | yup |
| 14:22 | owen | Ah |
| 14:22 | kados | kyle: it's the largest branch right? |
| 14:22 | kyle: meadville I mean | |
| 14:22 | kyle | yes. But the other libraries are actually independent, no branches. |
| 14:22 | kados | ahh |
| 14:22 | kyle | it makes getting things done alot harder. |
| 14:23 | kados | kyle: so you opted against the left-hand bar eh? |
| 14:23 | kyle | We have to get all the libraries to agree on anything we want to do. |
| 14:23 | owen | Another WordPress site! Cool :) |
| 14:23 | kados | kyle: I'm wondering why that was |
| 14:23 | kyle | I was trying to create the simplest system possible. |
| 14:24 | I wanted everything to be very obvious. | |
| 14:24 | we have alot of librarians who don't like change. | |
| 14:24 | kados | is this what your current system looks like? |
| 14:24 | kyle | or, I should say, are just afraid of a new system. |
| 14:24 | it's DOS based, blue background, white text. | |
| 14:25 | kados | ahh |
| 14:25 | kyle | it's almost as old as I am ; ) |
| 14:25 | kados | wow, this will be quite a change |
| 14:25 | hehe | |
| 14:25 | kyle | yes, to them, it's a huge change. |
| 14:25 | kados | one thing NPL's librarians missed was the shortcut keys that their old system had |
| 14:25 | so owen cooked up a few | |
| 14:25 | kyle | but I've had alot of positive feedback on the templates. |
| 14:25 | kados | sweet |
| 14:26 | kyle | yeah, I'm not sure if that's going to be an issue here. |
| 14:26 | kados | yea, it looks very nice |
| 14:26 | kyle | When most of the librarians here use a computer, they are very mouse-centric. |
| 14:26 | they might forget about shortcut keys altogether. | |
| 14:26 | kados | gotcha |
| 14:27 | yea, I think that's what happend with NPL too | |
| 14:27 | don't think too many folks use the shortcuts | |
| 14:27 | kyle | kados: what browser are you using |
| 14:28 | kados | kyle: FF |
| 14:28 | kyle: on OSX | |
| 14:28 | kyle: looks like addbiblio doesn't work | |
| 14:28 | kyle | that's my target browser, I'm not sure how it will render in others. |
| 14:28 | what happens? it works here. Maybe I missed a file. | |
| 14:29 | kados | it just reloads the page |
| 14:29 | kyle | what's the login for the liblime demo? I could take a look. |
| 14:29 | kados | ahh |
| 14:29 | kyle: circ / liblime | |
| 14:29 | nevermind | |
| 14:29 | you followd the default convention on that page | |
| 14:29 | rather than the NPL one | |
| 14:29 | where addbiblio takes you directly to the editor | |
| 14:30 | kyle: may want to take a look at recent commits to addbiblo.tmpl | |
| 14:30 | kyle: quite a few cleanups | |
| 14:30 | kyle: in the NPL templates | |
| 14:30 | owen | addbiblio.tmpl is a bear. |
| 14:31 | kados | yep, a mean one too |
| 14:31 | kyle | ok. I'll have to do that. |
| 14:32 | kados | very impressive kyle |
| 14:32 | kyle | I hope the colors aren't too garish. |
| 14:33 | personally, I would have went with a two or three tone theme. But the librarians liked the idea of remember that red is checkout, and so on. | |
| 14:33 | kados | yea, I was just gonna say |
| 14:33 | kyle | so it's a bit more pragmatic. |
| 14:33 | kados | for the librarian interface |
| 14:34 | it's more about pragmatics than beauty :-) | |
| 14:34 | kyle | the graphics are all multilayer png's, so it should be quite easy to change the colors (I used fireworks to make tham). |
| 14:34 | kados | sweet |
| 14:35 | kyle | what would be really sweet is to generate them on the fly with image-magick and have the color scheme in the preferences. |
| 14:35 | but that's a project on it's own. | |
| 14:43 | kados | we come up with a lot of those around here :-) |
| 14:44 | kyle | is there a list of ideas online somewhere? we should write this stuff down. Maybe I'll get around to it, eventually. |
| 14:46 | owen | We used to post enhancement bugs to bugzilla, but that was always like dropping them down a well |
| 14:52 | kados | hehe, yea |
| 14:53 | kyle | maybe we should start an "enhancments" blog or wiki, or something. |
| 14:53 | kados | we've got a blog |
| 14:53 | kyle | well, i've got to go. I'll drop in tomorrow. |
| 14:53 | kados | cool ... |
| 14:53 | kyle | later. |
| 14:53 | kados | read you tomorrow |
| 14:57 | owen | ah, here's a good old enhancement bug: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=718 |
| 15:01 | kados: if you're interested, I have more barcodes-related errors to report | |
| 15:02 | Whenever. | |
| 15:03 | kados | owen: sure |
| 15:03 | owen: hit me with them | |
| 15:05 | owen | I get an error like this 6 times: File does not exist: /home/oleonard/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/barcodes/ITF-32000000135066.png |
| 15:06 | And this: Couldn't open file /home/oleonard/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/barcodes/new.pdf, No such file or directory can't open an error logg, Permission denied at /home/oleonard/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/barcodes/label-print-pdf.pl line 67 | |
| 15:06 | chris | owen does /home/oleonard/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/barcodes exist? |
| 15:06 | and is it writable by the user apache runs as? | |
| 15:07 | -? | |
| 15:08 | owen | I'm a little hazy about permissions issues... it says the Owner is me, and it's not writable by anyone else. |
| 15:08 | chris | write |
| 15:08 | right even | |
| 15:08 | man i need coffee | |
| 15:08 | do you have sudo rights? | |
| 15:09 | if you do , sudo chown www-data barcodes | |
| 15:09 | then apache should be able to write to it (to mark the barcode images) | |
| 15:09 | make even | |
| 15:10 | owen | Thanks chris :) |
| 15:13 | kados | owen: I'll take care of it |
| 15:13 | owen | being hazy about permissions, I'm curious how this is handled for new installations. Will the installer make sure the permissions are correct? |
| 15:13 | kados | it should |
| 15:13 | the apache user is stored in the koha.conf iirc | |
| 15:14 | owen: try now | |
| 15:16 | owen | Okay, yeah. Looks like it's working now |
| 15:16 | kados | sweet |
| 15:17 | owen | The print preview isn't quite accurate |
| 15:19 | So kados is NPL's type of barcode in that list of barcode types? | |
| 15:30 | kados | hmmm |
| 15:30 | try code39 | |
| 15:30 | that should work | |
| 15:30 | NPL's got some funky barcode stuff going on | |
| 15:32 | ahh yea, we hve interleafed 2 of 5 | |
| 15:32 | but of course, the barcodes aren't stored as IL2of5 in the db | |
| 15:33 | cause someone had the brilliant idea of stripping off some of the digits in the scanners | |
| 15:33 | :-) | |
| 15:33 | hmmm, still doesn't display | |
| 15:34 | interesting, the preview page doesn't have the whole spine label either | |
| 15:34 | so preview needs some work looks like | |
| 18:20 | si: ! | |
| 18:21 | hehe | |
| 20:42 | thd | kados: rate of progress is 51 records an hour with very little resource consumption. This is certainly mostly server response time. |
| 20:43 | kados | thd: cool |
| 20:43 | thd: so how many hours has it been running? | |
| 20:43 | thd | kados: we are at 355/615 |
| 20:43 | kados | cool |
| 20:45 | thd | kados: it has been running for about 6.75 hours. |
| 20:47 | kados: bad matches are quite minimal n my spot checks. A title like "Am salmon" deserves to mismatch a pop recording with full contents at LC. | |
| 20:51 | kados: The Alaskan cookery book with every recipe in the full contents was a nice early LC match. | |
| 20:51 | kados | cool |
| 20:53 | thd | kados: LC does not spend time creating records like that. Many recently published books of which that was a fine example have full contents for 505 supplied by the publisher. |
| 20:55 | kados: Many Canadian records provide two languages for the price of one with the LCSH in both English and French. | |
| 21:00 | kados: I think the slower time this is taking relative to the first 29 record test is because the hit rate is higher for the records and more servers may be responding. More of them time out in very early morning. | |
| 00:42 | kados: 456/615 total matches, a 74% match rate, from the automated process of 61 records/hour completed 1.05 AM. I will match more manually. Of course, a very few are bad matches and will need to be eliminated. | |
| 00:46 | kados: I have equalled the best expected manual match rate from a highly reliable automated process. | |
| 00:46 | kados | thd: congrats! |
| 00:47 | thd | kados: wow you are still awake :) |
| 00:48 | kados | thd: just barely |
| 00:48 | thd: I'm actually gonna head to bed in a sec | |
| 00:48 | thd: been working on the encoding probs in rel_2_2 | |
| 00:49 | thd | kados: I am most of the way through preparing an explanation of the output for you. You can look at it the morning. |
| 00:51 | kados | great |
| 00:51 | don't write me a book | |
| 00:51 | :-) | |
| 00:51 | k, I"m off to bed | |
| 00:51 | have fun :-) | |
| 00:52 | thd | kados: no just an explanation of which files are which and the column values for delimited output. |
| 00:52 | kados | cool |
| 00:52 | thd | kados: Of course, you know me the column values have detailed explanations. |
| 00:53 | kados: no guessing required :) | |
| 02:52 | paul | hello world |
| 03:03 | pierrick | hi paul |
| 03:03 | paul | aye pierrick |
| 03:25 | (next week for sure) | |
| 03:25 | code cleaning on the way (+ translations to english, as OP made many things in french :-( ) | |
| 03:39 | russ | hi paul, hi perrick |
| 03:42 | pierrick | hi russ |
| 03:42 | paul, who is OP ? | |
| 03:42 | paul | (Ouest Provence) |
| 03:43 | (i was afraid you could have work on borrowers screens... but I loose my cell phone, so could not reach you. + I had no easy web access) | |
| 03:44 | (happy to see you did not work on it ;-) ) | |
| 03:45 | osmoze | hello |
| 03:46 | paul | hélhuile |
| 03:46 | pierrick | hdl knew I was working on budgets :-) |
| 03:46 | paul, grande forme aujourd'hui | |
| 03:46 | hello osmoze | |
| 03:46 | osmoze | lol |
| 03:46 | :) | |
| 03:56 | slef | si: can you /mode #koha -t please? |
| 05:27 | paul | osmoze: ... |
| 07:33 | et revoilà pierrick ! | |
| 07:37 | pierrick | oui, en revenant de déjeuner j'ai pas cliqué sur le bon bouton... et l'ordi s'est éteint |
| 07:37 | paul | pas glop ! |
| 07:37 | bon, en attendant, j'ai répondu à ta remarque sur koha-devel | |
| 07:38 | pierrick | oui, j'ai lu (priorité à la mailing-list par rappor à l'IRC) |
| 07:48 | kados | hi #koha |
| 07:48 | welcome back paul | |
| 07:48 | paul | hello kados |
| 07:48 | kados | paul: I committed partial fix for the encoding probs |
| 07:49 | paul: still working on one problem | |
| 07:49 | paul: but at least now the records can be created without being completely destroyed | |
| 07:49 | paul: (only problem remaining is contained in MARC::File::XML I think) | |
| 07:50 | paul | I've seen "as_xml_record". what is this done for ? |
| 07:51 | kados | this creates the XML as <record></record> instead of <collection></collection> |
| 07:51 | but that's not the important fix I don't thing | |
| 07:51 | think | |
| 07:52 | paul | it's |
| 07:52 | +my $xml= MARC::File::XML::header(C4::Context->preference('marcflavour'),C4::Context->preference('TemplateEncoding')); | |
| 07:52 | ? | |
| 07:52 | pierrick | hi kados |
| 07:53 | kados | paul: partly yes |
| 07:53 | paul: also in addbiblio.pl | |
| 07:53 | paul | kados: katipo commited new barcode print in rel_2_2 if I see correctly. |
| 07:53 | MARC::File::XML->default_record_format( 'UNIMARC' ); | |
| 07:53 | kados | that too |
| 07:53 | two more lines :-) | |
| 07:53 | paul | does this require an updated MARC::File::XML ? |
| 07:54 | my $record=MARC::Record->new_from_xml($xml,C4::Context->preference('TemplateEncoding'),C4::Context->preference('marcflavour')); | |
| 07:54 | (twice) | |
| 07:54 | kados | paul: yes, and I'm stillworking in MARC::File::XML so it will require yet another update before I am done I think |
| 07:54 | paul: 100% :-) | |
| 07:54 | paul: I continue to work on encoding this morning | |
| 07:55 | paul | then no more changes in rel_2_2 and work on head only (except for bugfixes) ? |
| 07:55 | the good news : I have code from Ouest Provence & should be able to commit it this week on next week. | |
| 07:56 | the less good news : it's poor perl, i fixed many things, but it's still poor. | |
| 07:56 | (it's the borrowers feature) | |
| 07:56 | they should send me tomorrow all features for reserve & circulation | |
| 07:59 | kados | no more changes in rel_2_2++ |
| 07:59 | except for bugfixes | |
| 07:59 | for instance, the marc_word bug I discovered needs to be fixed before 2.4 IMO | |
| 08:13 | slef | kados: I had something to say to you and I was going to put it in the topic but the topic is locked and there's no memoserv here as far as I know and now I forget what it was :-/ |
| 08:14 | kados | hehe |
| 08:14 | yea, si needs to help us out when he gets up | |
| 08:20 | slef | oh yeah: are there notes from 2006-04-10 meeting? |
| 08:24 | kados | hmmm ... we didn't really have one :-) |
| 08:24 | it was just pierrick and I | |
| 08:28 | pierrick | slef, during the meeting we talked about the next Bug Squashing Party (planned next week) and about Unicode status (I've sent a mail some minutes ago) |
| 08:29 | kados, what are the required version of additional packages for Zebra-plugin? | |
| 08:29 | Net:Z3950::ZOOM? Zebra? Yaz? | |
| 08:30 | kados | pierrick: required versions for a stable system is the latest versions available from indexdata.dk |
| 08:30 | pierrick: ZOOM 1.1 I think | |
| 08:30 | pierrick: zebra 1.4? | |
| 08:31 | pierrick: not sure about yaz, but latest debian feed from indexdata has correct version | |
| 08:31 | pierrick: sarge feed is several versions behind | |
| 08:33 | pierrick | OK, I update my installed packages |
| 08:35 | shedges | hi paul |
| 08:35 | paul | hi shedges |
| 08:35 | shedges | may I ask a question (or two) about "Installation de Koha sous Windows?" |
| 08:41 | paul: are you the author, or hdl, or both? | |
| 08:41 | paul | (sorry, I was on phone) |
| 08:41 | it's hdl | |
| 08:41 | but he's away & won't be back until tomorrow | |
| 08:41 | shedges | paul: the document refers to a koha-2.2.6 directory, should that be koha-2.4.0? |
| 08:41 | paul | mmm... no, that should be 2.2.5 |
| 08:42 | shedges | (location of KohaBMutf8.sql) |
| 08:42 | paul | (as there are some problems for 2.4.0 it seems) |
| 08:42 | shedges | OK, I list hdl as the author, change 2.2.6 to 2.2.5 |
| 08:42 | paul | hdl planned to release it with 2.2.6, but as 2.2.6 will finally be called 2.4.0 and it has some bugs, we decided to release it now |
| 08:43 | shedges | thanks! |
| 08:43 | paul | you're welcome |
| 09:10 | cm | paul, are you here? |
| 09:10 | paul | yep |
| 09:10 | hello cm. | |
| 09:10 | but who is cm ? | |
| 09:11 | cm | hello--this is cindy from CCFLS. :) |
| 09:11 | paul | hi cindy. |
| 09:11 | (a liblime customer if i don't mind) | |
| 09:11 | cm | Kados said I should pop in to talk to you. We're coming to the dev week. |
| 09:12 | paul | wow, great |
| 09:12 | "we" means how many ppl ? | |
| 09:12 | kados | cm: hey cindy |
| 09:12 | cm | Yeah, a week in france is not so bad! |
| 09:12 | hey kados! | |
| 09:12 | three people, paul. John, Kyle and me. | |
| 09:12 | kados | paul: I told them they might need to rent a car to join us if they stay in marseille |
| 09:12 | paul: all our cars are full, right? | |
| 09:12 | s/our/your/ :-) | |
| 09:13 | paul | maybe yes, maybe no : antoine, my student has a car ! |
| 09:13 | cm | i booked the hotel. we're staying in the same one as everybody else. |
| 09:13 | slef | cars? in France? bwahaha |
| 09:13 | kados | ahh...great! |
| 09:13 | slef | Cedez le Passage ! |
| 09:13 | paul | hehe, this hotel will be filled by KohaCon (as it's a small one) |
| 09:13 | kados | cm: great news! I was worried ther wouln't be space |
| 09:13 | slef | ...like hell I will... |
| 09:13 | kados | hehe |
| 09:13 | cm | at least in france you drive on the proper side of the road. :D |
| 09:13 | kados | slef walks 40K to the meeting each day :-) |
| 09:13 | paul | imho, the main problem for an american is to deal with manual driving |
| 09:14 | slef | slef stays on the trains in France |
| 09:14 | paul | is wiki.koha.org up now ? |
| 09:14 | kados | :-) |
| 09:14 | slef | Autoroutes are masochism, far too full, like to London motorways |
| 09:14 | kados | paul: yes, but it needs checking to ensure it's completely migrated |
| 09:14 | cm | can we rent an automatic? |
| 09:14 | slef | you want wide open farm tracks like East Anglia |
| 09:14 | paul | http://wiki.koha.org/ => not found |
| 09:14 | kados | I need to step away for about 20 minutes |
| 09:15 | paul | you can probably, but that will cost more money |
| 09:15 | (although i could not tell you how much) | |
| 09:15 | slef | holidayautos.com or easycar? |
| 09:15 | kados | paul: it works fine for me |
| 09:15 | cm | we'll have to check into 'em. thanks, slef. |
| 09:15 | paul | now it works. |
| 09:15 | strange... | |
| 09:16 | cm: could you give me complete name of ppl coming ? | |
| 09:16 | cm | is there a metro stop near the university? |
| 09:17 | John Brice, Kyle Hall, Cindy Murdock. | |
| 09:17 | paul | nope. It's something like 1-1.5km from the metro. |
| 09:17 | cm | that's not too bad. |
| 09:18 | paul | kados: what's the name of tina & sara pls ? |
| 09:19 | kados: what do you plan to do between 4th and 8th ? could we have 1 day in Marseille to organize the devWeek ? | |
| 09:20 | (maybe on sunday, I could get you when you arrive, invite you in my home & take few hours to speak of the devWeek program) | |
| 09:20 | slef | Do enterprise rent-a-car have shops in France? |
| 09:20 | paul | for sure slef |
| 09:21 | slef | might be easy for foreigners, I guess |
| 09:34 | cm | I can't find rentals for france at enterprise.com; autoeurope.com has them. we'll have to shop around. |
| 09:34 | paul | cm: i'm not sure it's a good idea to rent a car for Marseille. |
| 09:35 | as the hotel is in the center, and it's a problem to get parking | |
| 09:35 | + marseillais (marseille citizens) really drive madly | |
| 09:35 | + you won't have a big need for the car | |
| 09:36 | but do as you want ;-) | |
| 09:37 | pierrick | paul, no parking in the hotel? |
| 09:37 | paul | I don't think so. but public parking close. |
| 09:37 | (not cheap) | |
| 09:38 | kados | paul: no plans yet from 4-8, will arrive in marseille on 7th, so maybe we could plan that day? |
| 09:38 | paul | yep. |
| 09:38 | do you think we should plan the program before ? | |
| 09:38 | kados | yes, and I intend to make a wiki page with what I think we should do |
| 09:38 | paul | I don't know, & I must say i'm really really overbooked & don't have time to organize anything |
| 09:39 | ok, so I let you the lead here | |
| 09:39 | kados | right ... I'm quite busy as well but I hope to have a few days before I leave + some days in Geneva |
| 09:39 | paul | (you're release manager, so be leader ;-) ) |
| 09:39 | kados | ok :-) |
| 09:39 | pierrick | paul, did you plan devWeek "afters" ? |
| 09:39 | paul | not yet. |
| 09:40 | I asked SAN-OP, they are ok, but did not suggest anything yet | |
| 09:41 | cm | paul: thanks for the tip. I suspected as much about the crazy driving. ;) |
| 09:58 | kados | morning owen |
| 10:00 | owen | Hi |
| 10:03 | kados | paul owen and pierrick |
| 10:03 | I made a commit yesterday that completed a transition from | |
| 10:04 | CGIitemtype to itemtypeloop for opac-search.pl | |
| 10:04 | this is directly relevant to the current thread on koha-devel about templates I believe | |
| 10:05 | paul: what is the status of the cloneField? is it stable? | |
| 10:05 | paul | no, the mail on koha-devel is still relevant |
| 10:05 | (addbiblio & cloneTag) | |
| 10:06 | chris told me he would ask bob to fix it, but no news from nz | |
| 10:07 | kados | ok |
| 10:07 | nz is working on a major bug in acquisittions I think | |
| 10:07 | quite busy on it from what I understand | |
| 10:08 | so that may explain the delay | |
| 10:08 | paul | do you know which kind of bug ? |
| 10:09 | kados | no |
| 10:09 | but it's with budget-based acquisitions | |
| 10:09 | so probably doesn't affect either of us :-) | |
| 10:09 | many other things to absorb this year :-) | |
| 10:10 | (about template mail) | |
| 10:10 | yes, it's still relevant | |
| 10:10 | what I mean is that the commit I made is related to the mail :-) | |
| 10:11 | because if I understand correctly | |
| 10:11 | pierrick is arguing _for_ CGIitemtype | |
| 10:11 | while owen is arguing _against_ it | |
| 10:11 | ie, more control in the template or not | |
| 10:12 | owen | kados: your particular case demonstrated an additional argument against CGIitemtype: the introduction of unstranslatable strings |
| 10:12 | kados | right |
| 10:12 | owen | But is there a way to do it that wouldn't introduce that problem? |
| 10:13 | If you're looping out <option> tags, there's no reason why you couldn't hand-code additional <option>'s above or below the loop | |
| 10:13 | kados | well, what exactly is the problem? |
| 10:14 | the length of the template strings? | |
| 10:15 | pierrick | IMO, a problem is that we can't use localized strings outside of templates |
| 10:15 | owen | Actually, I don't think pierrick even addressed the CGIitemtype issue directly |
| 10:15 | pierrick | we should be allowed to do this with gettext in Perl |
| 10:15 | owen | His example was the 'selected' attribute in a select list |
| 10:15 | paul | pierrick : the problem here is that we don't translate "on the fly". |
| 10:15 | pierrick | owen, you're right I didn't but if I read CGIitemtype examples, I wowuld be OK to use them |
| 10:16 | paul | so, your solution means having 1 cgi-bin directory for each language |
| 10:16 | kados | paul: who's solution? |
| 10:16 | paul | that's really poor I think. |
| 10:16 | (having strings translated in perl) | |
| 10:16 | kados | ahh, right |
| 10:16 | pierrick | paul, I understand why we don't translate on the fly (performances I suppose) but I'm not sure this is really relevant |
| 10:16 | kados | ideally, all strings should be in the template |
| 10:17 | pierrick | kados, why? |
| 10:17 | paul | pierrick : this is, unless you run mod-perl. |
| 10:17 | kados | pierrick: because for translators, it's best |
| 10:17 | paul | and mod_perl must not be mandatory |
| 10:17 | kados | pierrick: otherwise, it's going to be too hard to translate everything |
| 10:17 | pierrick: will have to modify cgi-bin and template dirs | |
| 10:18 | mod_perl means that everything is pre-compiled | |
| 10:18 | pierrick | I never said we should have strings in scripts |
| 10:18 | kados | ok |
| 10:18 | so what is your suggestion? | |
| 10:19 | pierrick | I said we should have the possibility to do things like $template->param('text' => gettext('My string to find in a PO file')); |
| 10:19 | kados | interesting |
| 10:19 | pierrick | (that's how all other softs works ;-) |
| 10:19 | I invent nothing | |
| 10:19 | kados | right |
| 10:20 | so a translator has to translate template + create a new PO file? | |
| 10:20 | pierrick | concerning strings in templates, we create useless limitations |
| 10:20 | how could I have "Show 34 budgets"? | |
| 10:21 | kados | where? |
| 10:21 | pierrick | with Perl I would do sprintf(gettext('Show %d budgets'), scalar @budgets) |
| 10:21 | kados, in a template | |
| 10:21 | with template only solution, this is not possible | |
| 10:21 | kados | in the template you woudl ahve |
| 10:22 | Show <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="number" --> budgets | |
| 10:22 | pierrick | kados, you're not linguist? |
| 10:22 | ;-) | |
| 10:22 | kados | hehe |
| 10:22 | owen | We've discussed the gettext option before |
| 10:23 | And one of the reasons for rejecting it is the layer of complexity it puts on the process of creating templates | |
| 10:23 | kados | hang on, I don't quite understand |
| 10:23 | pierrick: are you suggesting we could have 'budget' and 'budgets'? | |
| 10:23 | pierrick: depending if there were 1 or more budgets? | |
| 10:24 | pierrick | kados, for some languages you have to translate and to change the template, because de the number of budgets have to be at the end of the string |
| 10:24 | paul | yes pierrick, but our gettext tool handle that ! |
| 10:24 | it transforms Show <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="number" --> budgets into | |
| 10:24 | pierrick | kados, problems of singular/modal/plural is not what I was pointing and is a very difficult problem |
| 10:24 | paul | Show %d budgets |
| 10:24 | that can be translated to : | |
| 10:24 | montre budgets (%d au total) | |
| 10:25 | and the template compiler will generate : | |
| 10:25 | "montre budgets (<!-- TMPL_VAR name="number" --> au total) | |
| 10:26 | pierrick | so you moved complexity to the template translator :-) |
| 10:27 | anyway, I would have liked to be able to reach localized strings from Perl :-) | |
| 10:27 | for the pagination_bar for example | |
| 10:28 | owen | What about a /limited/ use of that? For cases of like the pagination bar? |
| 10:29 | paul | pierrick: the translator tool has been written by ambrose C Li, a chinese guy. So he had most of the problem we could ever get ;-) |
| 10:30 | (in fact, I had the idea & wrote the 1st version, but it was not with gettext & was really poor. ambrose almost rewrote everything) | |
| 10:37 | owen | kados: are we getting any closer to an answer for you :) |
| 10:37 | ? | |
| 10:37 | kados | owen: i think so :-) |
| 10:38 | so the answer is that we move all CGI stuff to loops that the template designer / tranlator can deal wtih | |
| 10:49 | owen | kados: what's new with the expiration dates? |
| 10:50 | kados | owen: they should be calculated based on the borrower's category rather than hardcoded to 30 days |
| 10:50 | owen: that is if they are working :-) | |
| 10:50 | owen | Okay, I'll try it out |
| 10:50 | paul | kados: they are (on head) |
| 10:50 | kados | paul: this is different ... |
| 10:50 | paul: it's just a button that NPL requested | |
| 10:50 | paul | ok |
| 10:52 | kados | hehe |
| 10:56 | owen | Okay kados, I see one problem: when you renew a patron, it adds X number of years to the expiration date, rather than X number of years to /today's date/ |
| 10:56 | The latter is what I would expect | |
| 10:56 | kados | owen: ahh |
| 10:56 | ok, I'll fix that real quick | |
| 10:58 | owen: open circulation.pl | |
| 10:58 | line 130: | |
| 10:58 | my $renewaldate = DateCalc($warningdate, $offset); | |
| 10:58 | change that to: | |
| 10:58 | my $renewaldate = DateCalc('today', $offset); | |
| 10:58 | owen: if it works, commit it | |
| 10:58 | owen: otherwise let me know | |
| 11:13 | owen | Yes, it seems to work fine now |
| 11:37 | pierrick | I'm leaving office, read you tomorrow folks :-) |
| 11:38 | owen | Have a good evening, pierrick |
| 11:52 | kados | paul: got a sec? |
| 11:52 | paul: I'm wondering what the process is for translation as things change | |
| 11:52 | paul: is there a way to just translate the changes? |
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